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bgcasper wrote:if its the same spot for sure first generation beebop must know the whole story weither central av turned bee bop or the original cac were pushed toward compton av

not really. You have ESSwans that don't no the history of their hood and some Gee's too ashamed to admit their past.

interresting !!!! bbop mostly on those aprtments you mean those were the central av crips apartments before ? so when did they turned bebop ? Bebops didn't start up til bout 1980. A years after es89nhf started up. As a matter of fact, 89s influenced that movement. It was only a handful of Central A...

bgcasper wrote:so the direct lil homies of ray turned swans ? it would be interesting to know how they turned into swans and what swans set claim that specific street now ?

That street is part of 79 swans

playermadecholo wrote:ARE THE 76 EAST COAST CRIPS STILL ON 76ST? I HEARD THEIR NEW HOOD IS 81ST AND COMPTON AVE.

Personally that's F13 hood and 81st and Compton is probably were it ends.

I dont think MS stood for Mad Swan Blood in the early 1970s. Too bad that Dexter Elvis is not around. Heard from so many sources that the MS may have stood for Main Street Swans, or something close to it. And because they didn't get along with the Crips at some point, they changed the meaning of MS...

These are what I believe are the 10 oldest in no particular order. 1. ROLLIN 60S NHOOD CR1P 2. ROLLIN 30S HARLEM CR1P 3. BLAKK P STONES 4. 62 BRIMS 5. ROLLIN 20S NHOOD BLOOD 6.1NGLEWOOD FAM1LY GANSTERS 7. EAST COAST CR1PS 6 PACCS & 76TH STREET 8. GRAPE STREET 9. BOUNTY HUNTERS 10.EIGHT TRAY GANGSTE...

It is interesting how 76th Street, where Raymond Washington started the Crips, became all Swans. But maybe the Swans were not always the enemy of the Crips back in the early 1970s. I know for a fact, a swans moved on Raymond street in the middle 70s. Plus 79 st Swans is right down the street. Alot ...

Yes they would.

It is told that what is now Swans hood is where Raymond Washington started the East Side Crips,in or around Freemont High School used to be their stomping grounds.76 and Wadsworth is where Raymond Washington stayed at,how did the early crips lose this hood to Swans was this an early situation durin...

bgcasper wrote:swans founder i heard here they from maimn street crips

This is not true. 84 msc founders were swans.

Yes he's still around. He's playing it lore key

I don't see why. If your planning to be part of that, better do your home work cause on prison that play A very serious politics. You can get stabbed for little of nothing.

bgcasper wrote:hat gang watts dont know their origin and era of formation ..but the brim og on here was sayin the brim have member tht came from a gang named hat gang

Bebop is a hat. What's the story behind this.

Or they could've help form hat gang Watts.

I was there in the early 80s

Sphinx wrote:Solid brotha. I did time with him.

Should brotha. I did time with him.

bgcasper wrote:ok ...one more point couldnt them cac moved south and became compton av or u think 95cac they came from black mafia crip dog

That's a strong possibility.

interresting !!!! bbop mostly on those aprtments you mean those were the central av crips apartments before ? so when did they turned bebop ? Bebops didn't start up til bout 1980. A years after es89nhf started up. As a matter of fact, 89s influenced that movement. It was only a handful of Central A...

alexalonso wrote:so it wasnt a transformer gang?

No it wasn't. Central Ave Crips never really caught on. In other words, they wasn't nothing. When 89family came out, they came out killing up shit. That influenced the blood movement in that area.

alexalonso wrote:An OG Westside Crip told me he was from Kitchen Crip.

That's not true. Tillman grew up by Green meddle Park.

alexalonso wrote:
Sphinx wrote:LB from WSPiru killed salty. He is still locked up for that killing.
Lorenzo Benton been in prison since 1976 or 1978, almost 40 years, crazy.

LB is caught up in the prison politics BGF.

alexalonso wrote:
Sphinx wrote:Henry Tillman is a lair. He was also a Sherm head too. Ask that lair was he ever in a juvenile camp in 1977 called camp Fenner .
When I spoke to him, he didnt sound genuine, but i didn't press him.

We were in camp together.

There was also Black Mafia Crip Dogg mapped right next to the Central Avenue Crips which were just east of the Avalon Gardens Crips Central Ave crips are Bebop Watts hood. Are you saying that the Central Avenues Crips actually became the Be Bop Watts Bloods? or the area that was once Central Avenue...

alexalonso wrote:There was also Black Mafia Crip Dogg mapped right next to the Central Avenue Crips which were just east of the Avalon Gardens Crips

Central Ave crips are Bebop Watts hood.

In the 1980s, Salinas Valley State Prison allowed bloods to wear red. There are Black P Stones, Rollin 20s, Bounty Hunters and Neighborhood Pirus in the photo. I was in the dad when this photo was taken. Has a matter of fact, it looks like one of mines I had. Most of the guys on the photo I for got...

Henry Tillman is a lair. He was also a Sherm head too. Ask that lair was he ever in a juvenile camp in 1977 called camp Fenner .

LB from WSPiru killed salty. He is still locked up for that killing.

I would say f13.

alexalonso wrote:In the 1980s, Salinas Valley State Prison allowed bloods to wear red. There are Black P Stones, Rollin 20s, Bounty Hunters and Neighborhood Pirus in the photo.

I know most of those cats in this photo. I was there when this photo was taken.

alexalonso wrote:
Sphinx wrote:I grew up with them . the last two I know now claim fsb89st.
When did the Walnuts get player out? in the 1970s?

I would say in 1977 or 78. I was in juvenile camp with the former boxer Henry Tillman in 1976. He was a Walnut then.

alexalonso wrote:In the 1980s, Salinas Valley State Prison allowed bloods to wear red. There are Black P Stones, Rollin 20s, Bounty Hunters and Neighborhood Pirus in the photo.

Damn, that's my photo. I took in soledad. Frfr.

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