
thewestside wrote:Huh? How can I copy and paste the report when it doesn't even exist? If it does, we both know you would have been waiving it around, posting the link to it in huge, multi-color font for days or weeks now. But you haven't because it doesn't exist. So you can stop referring to it.p
Your article is based on an FBI report that doesn't exist.
Here's two articles below. While the framework of both of them is about the newer emerging groups, both say that the Mafia is still the strongest. And the second one has a video with an FBI agent saying the same thing. And notice how in the first article, they have go back once again to Rudaj in order to talk about Albanians.
May 2010
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05102009/po ... 168444.htm
July 2008
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/16/fbi.mob/index.html
How many indictments and arrests there are is a direct result of organized crime activity. Even when making allowances for the new groups being harder to crack because of language barriers, differences in organization, etc. that doesn't completely account for the huge difference in indictments between them and the five Mafia families in New York. The Mafia is indicted more often because it's a bigger priority. It's a bigger priorty because it's more stronger and more active there than these other groups. After all is said and done as far as articles and off the cuff quotes go, the real proof in the pudding is indictments.

CheGuevara wrote:i mean't the london daily news report. a reporter is not going to just going to make an entire report up.
again you are caught in a lie. it was posted in may 2009 (not 2010 dumbass) but it came out as an article in 2005. one year after rudaj's indictment. read the whole thing moron. it mentions rudaj getting indicted last year. as for the other one, that was in 2008, not 2009 like i asked. the offer still stands, find me an article from 2009 or later saying the italians are number one and this argument is dead.
no the real proof is not in the indictments. italian criminals because they speka english and deal with anybody are much easier to catch which is why they are arrested left and right. while police in michigan have said they have failed at penetrating albanian organized crime. when have the police said something like that about italians? NEVER. because italians are caught all the time. being easily caught because of lack of discpline and speaking english does not make you the strongest around. it makes you the dumbest around.
not to mention most of the arrests come from rats. usually one guy gets caught, then he snitches them all out in the italian case. something we have yet to see with albanian criminals. like i said, indictments = nothing.

CheGuevara wrote:thewestside wrote:Huh? How can I copy and paste the report when it doesn't even exist? If it does, we both know you would have been waiving it around, posting the link to it in huge, multi-color font for days or weeks now. But you haven't because it doesn't exist. So you can stop referring to it.p
i mean't the london daily news report. a reporter is not going to just going to make an entire report up.Your article is based on an FBI report that doesn't exist.
Here's two articles below. While the framework of both of them is about the newer emerging groups, both say that the Mafia is still the strongest. And the second one has a video with an FBI agent saying the same thing. And notice how in the first article, they have go back once again to Rudaj in order to talk about Albanians.
May 2010
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05102009/po ... 168444.htm
July 2008
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/16/fbi.mob/index.html
again you are caught in a lie. it was posted in may 2009 (not 2010 dumbass) but it came out as an article in 2005. one year after rudaj's indictment. read the whole thing moron. it mentions rudaj getting indicted last year. as for the other one, that was in 2008, not 2009 like i asked. the offer still stands, find me an article from 2009 or later saying the italians are number one and this argument is dead.How many indictments and arrests there are is a direct result of organized crime activity. Even when making allowances for the new groups being harder to crack because of language barriers, differences in organization, etc. that doesn't completely account for the huge difference in indictments between them and the five Mafia families in New York. The Mafia is indicted more often because it's a bigger priority. It's a bigger priorty because it's more stronger and more active there than these other groups. After all is said and done as far as articles and off the cuff quotes go, the real proof in the pudding is indictments.
no the real proof is not in the indictments. italian criminals because they speka english and deal with anybody are much easier to catch which is why they are arrested left and right. while police in michigan have said they have failed at penetrating albanian organized crime. when have the police said something like that about italians? NEVER. because italians are caught all the time. being easily caught because of lack of discpline and speaking english does not make you the strongest around. it makes you the dumbest around.
not to mention most of the arrests come from rats. usually one guy gets caught, then he snitches them all out in the italian case. something we have yet to see with albanian criminals. like i said, indictments = nothing.


thewestside wrote:Reporters make mistakes and this is one of them. There is no FBI report that says the Albanians have taken over the Italians and Russians in New York. You know and I know it.
The only one lying here is you. I was typing fast and typed 2010 instead of 2009. The article came out in the New York Post a couple weeks ago. Look at the date at the top - May 10, 2009. But they made a mistake about when Rudaj was convicted, saying it was last year when it was really in 2006. Like I said, reporters make mistakes. Nevertheless, you asked for an article from this year and I gave it to you. Furthermore, I gave you another article from 2008 that said the same thing. But no matter what, you'll find some lousy excuse to dismiss them because they don't say what you want them to say.
You can make up all the excuses you want. As I said, even if one takes into account language barriers, it doesn't explain the huge gap between the five Mafia families in New York and those of the Russian, Chinese, and Albanian groups. Bottom line, you're always going to find conflicting information from articles, reports, comments from officials, etc. But the ultimate proof of who the authorities consider to be the biggest investigative priority is who they go after the most. And that means indictments. Sorry pal, the facts just aren't on your side - as usual.

CheGuevara wrote:thewestside wrote:Reporters make mistakes and this is one of them. There is no FBI report that says the Albanians have taken over the Italians and Russians in New York. You know and I know it.
no actually i don't know it. a reporter says there is. i am leaning towards believing it. you're the god who seems to know things just because of your feelings towards it.The only one lying here is you. I was typing fast and typed 2010 instead of 2009. The article came out in the New York Post a couple weeks ago. Look at the date at the top - May 10, 2009. But they made a mistake about when Rudaj was convicted, saying it was last year when it was really in 2006. Like I said, reporters make mistakes. Nevertheless, you asked for an article from this year and I gave it to you. Furthermore, I gave you another article from 2008 that said the same thing. But no matter what, you'll find some lousy excuse to dismiss them because they don't say what you want them to say.
well first off, i don't care about you're report from 2008. i said 2009 or higher. secondly, no the reporter did not make a mistake, just because the new york post posted it on their website just now, doesn't mean it came out just recently. the report was old, that is why he said rudaj was arrested last year. so it was either in 2005 or in 2007 that it was written. no one makes a mistake like that.... you would have to be totally off your seat to make a mistake like that. not to mention editors have to proof read the thing.You can make up all the excuses you want. As I said, even if one takes into account language barriers, it doesn't explain the huge gap between the five Mafia families in New York and those of the Russian, Chinese, and Albanian groups. Bottom line, you're always going to find conflicting information from articles, reports, comments from officials, etc. But the ultimate proof of who the authorities consider to be the biggest investigative priority is who they go after the most. And that means indictments. Sorry pal, the facts just aren't on your side - as usual.
sorry pal, the facts are not there period. the indictments do not mean a thing. how many times do i have to explain this to you? just because italian criminals because they speak english and are not affiliated by blood, marriage or close friendships are caught much, much, much easier then the clannish, albanian speaking criminals, it doesn't mean anything... ANYTHING.
like i said, because of the report, i now want to see 2009 reports that claim the italians are the biggest priority. if you get me that, this conversation is done about who is stronger is done.







sticks wrote:Hey buddy do you got an up to date one of those lists? And do you got like a list of unions that have been proven to be under certain families?? Just a shot in the dark im pretty interested by the big long thing..
thats what she said...


sticks wrote:Thanks buddy! I swear that shit is insane haha. i actually got a few friends in there lol. cousins in there but not mentioned by name haha-what a dumb fu--
By unions i meant like last couple years-ish. Do you got any of that kinda stuff? that lists freakin amazing.
I just had a hour long conversation with a drag queen lol.. but seriously...Hows it goin wayyyy out there in the hood? I finally figured out why yous go by westside... Its so you can go WESTSIIIIIIEEEEDDDDDE!!!!!!!!!!!!! to any nigga who be frontin in this bitch


sticks wrote:Jesus thats a lot of fuckin locals. How many of those does the horse control? Or allie shades or barney? I actually met barney once but ill message you that story. What about the bonannos? What about the post? And who runs the javits center?





sticks wrote:Persicos? Who? Allie, teddy, michael, frank, the russos, the langellas... I mean these were big names but not anymore. Teddy gets out in a yr right? Bill will step down to underboss to relieve d shacks and teddy takes the top spot. Imho ofcorse.


sticks wrote:Kenji the rat posts over there??? smh...


sticks wrote:Yeah i bet. I know a few guys who would like to fly out to la and take a shot at that faggot. He posts openly on facebook, i wouldnt be surprised if one of those southern cal wannabes makes a move to make a name for himself.


sticks wrote:If i have time ill make a post later tonight i think youll like buddy.




sticks wrote:Oh my god. Thats embarrasing.


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