Which Group? most organized crime in NYC?

[CheGuevara]

#%@& you che looking up the dutch gay gang

lol, didn't like that eh? something had to be done about your big ego.

[thewestside]

it's the truth.

There you have it folks. Just like I said he would, Johnny has quickly elevated the Albanians to the top of the ladder not only in Europe, not only in New York, but also worldwide. It was only a matter of time.

if you researched the albanians/russians/chinese then post them up. bottom line, post them up or shut the hell up. i told you, i will fill in any indictments that you don't mention.

You started this shit and now you're expecting me to do your work for you. Face it Johnny, your mouth tried to pass a check your ass can't cash. You should not have said I was just hyping the Mafia because you don't even know how many comparable indictments there have been involving the Russians, Albanians, and Chinese. This just shows you were talking out of you ass AGAIN!

And I say you're a coward because, rather than just admit you were wrong, you play this stupid game and try to weasle your way out of it. I thought you Albanians were supposed to be brave and honorable. Well, you're one Albanian who is just a slimy, little coward. The fact that you're 17 years old is no excuse for your stupidity.

[thewestside]

#%@& you che looking up the dutch gay gang

lol, didn't like that eh? something had to be done about your big ego.

More irony from Johnny. The sad fact is, he's the only one that doesn't see it.

[CheGuevara]

There you have it folks. Just like I said he would, Johnny has quickly elevated the Albanians to the top of the ladder not only in Europe, not only in New York, but also worldwide. It was only a matter of time.

i said more powerful, meaning more powerful then the italians dickhead, why do you keep saying there you have it folks? like anybody fucking reads every single of our posts... lol what an idiot.

You started this shit and now you're expecting me to do your work for you. Face it Johnny, your mouth tried to pass a check your ass can't cash. You should not have said I was just hyping the Mafia because you don't even know how many comparable indictments there have been involving the Russians, Albanians, and Chinese. This just shows you were talking out of you ass AGAIN!

And I say you're a coward because, rather than just admit you were wrong, you play this stupid game and try to weasle your way out of it. I thought you Albanians were supposed to be brave and honorable. Well, you're one Albanian who is just a slimy, little coward. The fact that you're 17 years old is no excuse for your stupidity.

i started it even though you gave out the list? that makes no sense dickhead..... :S

listen molestor.... you call me a coward for not admitting i was wrong even though the indictments are not up yet but yet at the same time, you're the one who won't answer on the marijuana thread because he was wrong. you're the one who still does not admit he was wrong about the heroin, human smuggling, prostitution, car thefts and marijuana in italy. when you man up, let me know.

mannnnn, it's hilarious to see you contradict yourself. you do it between 2-3 posts too. so it's funny because all i have to do is like scroll up and see a contradiction.

[thewestside]

You honestly believe the Albanians are more powerful than the Mafia in New York?

[CheGuevara]

You honestly believe the Albanians are more powerful than the Mafia in New York?

i don't know for sure. if i had to choose, i would choose the albanian criminal faction over the lcn. it seems like a more likely scenario. the YACS group alone has 300 members. that is bigger then any family.

[thewestside]

You honestly believe the Albanians are more powerful than the Mafia in New York?

i don't know for sure. if i had to choose, i would choose the albanian criminal faction over the lcn. it seems like a more likely scenario. the YACS group alone has 300 members. that is bigger then any family.

Well once again, you're contradicting yourself. It wasn't too long ago that you yourself said that the Mafia was still clearly the strongest group in New York. But we're just supposed to believe something changed between now and then? Well, something did change - you're opinion.

And for the record, the YACS groups include many of different Balkan origins. That's the whole reason for their name. And 300 is not bigger than any family. Each family has anywhere from 100-200 made members and hundreds (or thousands) of associates depending on what member-to-associate ratio you want to go with.

I think you know as well as I do that the Albanians don't measure up to the Mafia in New York. But you choose to argue otherwise because of nothing more than your damned pride.

[CheGuevara]

Well once again, you're contradicting yourself. It wasn't too long ago that you yourself said that the Mafia was still clearly the strongest group in New York. But we're just supposed to believe something changed between now and then? Well, something did change - you're opinion.

i always knew the albanian criminals were close but the saviano and fbi report convinced me. that is what changed my opinion. i didn't see those two statements before.

And for the record, the YACS groups include many of different Balkan origins. That's the whole reason for their name. And 300 is not bigger than any family. Each family has anywhere from 100-200 made members and hundreds (or thousands) of associates depending on what member-to-associate ratio you want to go with.

lmaooo. first of all, since you like indictments for proof so much. go back to all the YACs indictments. you will see almost every single person indicted under that group from new york to michigan to california turned out albanian. except for one croatian and one italian guy.

the reason for the name is because of the albanians from former yugoslavia. the ones with -ic on their last names because of the yugoslav communist government changing their names. go see the indictments if you want proof.

[thewestside]

i always knew the albanian criminals were close but the saviano and fbi report convinced me. that is what changed my opinion. i didn't see those two statements before.

You've got to be kidding me.

First, regardless of the fact that he said "clans," Saviano was clearly talking with reference to the Rudaj organization. As I've said over and over again, all this talk about the Albanians pushing aside the Mafia has stemmed from that single group. And time has shown all the talk to be just that - talk. Not even one other example of any Albanian group confronting the Mafia or cutting into it's rackets. It's the exact same thing we've seen in past decades with the blacks, the Colombians, the Chinese, and the Russians. Now it's the Albanians. It probably won't be long before another group is on the scene and being proclaimed to be challenging the Mafia. It makes for good press and so the media eats it up but it's not based on reality.

Second, I'm getting tired of you referring to this mysterious FBI report. All you have is it being referenced in an article. There is no FBI report that has said the Albanians are taking over the Italians and Russians in New York. If there is, please provide it or quit citing it.

[thewestside]

And I should add that I've repeatedly provided direct FBI sources that say the Mafia is still the most powerful in New York. But you ignore those while readily accepting some phantom FBI report that nobody can find.

The indictments clearly show the Mafia is still easily the strongest in New York. They are the most diversified in both illicit and legitimate activities. The feds don't even consider the Russians, Chinese, and Albanians to be in the same definitive category as the Mafia. They refer to the new groups as "criminal enterprises" while the Mafia is "organized crime." These new groups lack the organizational structure and diversity of operations that has allowed the Mafia to survive for so long.

[CheGuevara]

First, regardless of the fact that he said "clans," Saviano was clearly talking with reference to the Rudaj organization.

of course. who was i to think saviano meant what he said. i mean, you know the mind of saviano as well. don't you?

As I've said over and over again, all this talk about the Albanians pushing aside the Mafia has stemmed from that single group. And time has shown all the talk to be just that - talk. Not even one other example of any Albanian group confronting the Mafia or cutting into it's rackets. It's the exact same thing we've seen in past decades with the blacks, the Colombians, the Chinese, and the Russians. Now it's the Albanians. It probably won't be long before another group is on the scene and being proclaimed to be challenging the Mafia. It makes for good press and so the media eats it up but it's not based on reality.

you're so stupid. it's not even funny.

Second, I'm getting tired of you referring to this mysterious FBI report. All you have is it being referenced in an article. There is no FBI report that has said the Albanians are taking over the Italians and Russians in New York. If there is, please provide it or quit citing it.

copy and past the report dickhead. i'm not lifting a finger for you. you're simply not worth that much work. you're barely worth three sentences which i why i barely give you even that.

And I should add that I've repeatedly provided direct FBI sources that say the Mafia is still the most powerful in New York. But you ignore those while readily accepting some phantom FBI report that nobody can find.

you have never provided a direct report citing the mafia is the strongest in new york. i want a 2009 article, no older then that. then this argument will be done. the only reason i think the Albanian criminals are now stronger is because of the article. if you provide an article saying the mafia is the strongest (a 2009 article) then that is all that needs to be said.

The indictments clearly show the Mafia is still easily the strongest in New York. They are the most diversified in both illicit and legitimate activities. The feds don't even consider the Russians, Chinese, and Albanians to be in the same definitive category as the Mafia. They refer to the new groups as "criminal enterprises" while the Mafia is "organized crime." These new groups lack the organizational structure and diversity of operations that has allowed the Mafia to survive for so long.

lmfaoooo, you're so sad. the indictments? the indictments show that italians are caught more then anybody. that is all the indictments show. you know very well the Albanian criminal clans are almost invulnerable to the feds due to their language, and cohesiveness to each other as well as their unwilling to testify.

you simply add your own theory to the italians numbering more arrests then others.

[thewestside]

copy and past the report dickhead. i'm not lifting a finger for you. you're simply not worth that much work. you're barely worth three sentences which i why i barely give you even that.

Huh? How can I copy and paste the report when it doesn't even exist? If it does, we both know you would have been waiving it around, posting the link to it in huge, multi-color font for days or weeks now. But you haven't because it doesn't exist. So you can stop referring to it.

you have never provided a direct report citing the mafia is the strongest in new york. i want a 2009 article, no older then that. then this argument will be done. the only reason i think the Albanian criminals are now stronger is because of the article. if you provide an article saying the mafia is the strongest (a 2009 article) then that is all that needs to be said.

Your article is based on an FBI report that doesn't exist.

Here's two articles below. While the framework of both of them is about the newer emerging groups, both say that the Mafia is still the strongest. And the second one has a video with an FBI agent saying the same thing. And notice how in the first article, they have go back once again to Rudaj in order to talk about Albanians.

May 2010
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05102009/po ... 168444.htm

July 2008
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/16/fbi.mob/index.html

lmfaoooo, you're so sad. the indictments? the indictments show that italians are caught more then anybody. that is all the indictments show. you know very well the Albanian criminal clans are almost invulnerable to the feds due to their language, and cohesiveness to each other as well as their unwilling to testify.

you simply add your own theory to the italians numbering more arrests then others.

How many indictments and arrests there are is a direct result of organized crime activity. Even when making allowances for the new groups being harder to crack because of language barriers, differences in organization, etc. that doesn't completely account for the huge difference in indictments between them and the five Mafia families in New York. The Mafia is indicted more often because it's a bigger priority. It's a bigger priorty because it's more stronger and more active there than these other groups. After all is said and done as far as articles and off the cuff quotes go, the real proof in the pudding is indictments.

[DutchGangster69]

your a fag che go fuck a goat you gypsy muslim turk mixing fag

[CheGuevara]

Huh? How can I copy and paste the report when it doesn't even exist? If it does, we both know you would have been waiving it around, posting the link to it in huge, multi-color font for days or weeks now. But you haven't because it doesn't exist. So you can stop referring to it.p

i mean't the london daily news report. a reporter is not going to just going to make an entire report up.

Your article is based on an FBI report that doesn't exist.

Here's two articles below. While the framework of both of them is about the newer emerging groups, both say that the Mafia is still the strongest. And the second one has a video with an FBI agent saying the same thing. And notice how in the first article, they have go back once again to Rudaj in order to talk about Albanians.

May 2010
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05102009/po ... 168444.htm

July 2008
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/16/fbi.mob/index.html

again you are caught in a lie. it was posted in may 2009 (not 2010 dumbass) but it came out as an article in 2005. one year after rudaj's indictment. read the whole thing moron. it mentions rudaj getting indicted last year. as for the other one, that was in 2008, not 2009 like i asked. the offer still stands, find me an article from 2009 or later saying the italians are number one and this argument is dead.

How many indictments and arrests there are is a direct result of organized crime activity. Even when making allowances for the new groups being harder to crack because of language barriers, differences in organization, etc. that doesn't completely account for the huge difference in indictments between them and the five Mafia families in New York. The Mafia is indicted more often because it's a bigger priority. It's a bigger priorty because it's more stronger and more active there than these other groups. After all is said and done as far as articles and off the cuff quotes go, the real proof in the pudding is indictments.

no the real proof is not in the indictments. italian criminals because they speka english and deal with anybody are much easier to catch which is why they are arrested left and right. while police in michigan have said they have failed at penetrating albanian organized crime. when have the police said something like that about italians? NEVER. because italians are caught all the time. being easily caught because of lack of discpline and speaking english does not make you the strongest around. it makes you the dumbest around.

not to mention most of the arrests come from rats. usually one guy gets caught, then he snitches them all out in the italian case. something we have yet to see with albanian criminals. like i said, indictments = nothing.

[thewestside]

i mean't the london daily news report. a reporter is not going to just going to make an entire report up.

Reporters make mistakes and this is one of them. There is no FBI report that says the Albanians have taken over the Italians and Russians in New York. You know and I know it.

again you are caught in a lie. it was posted in may 2009 (not 2010 dumbass) but it came out as an article in 2005. one year after rudaj's indictment. read the whole thing moron. it mentions rudaj getting indicted last year. as for the other one, that was in 2008, not 2009 like i asked. the offer still stands, find me an article from 2009 or later saying the italians are number one and this argument is dead.

The only one lying here is you. I was typing fast and typed 2010 instead of 2009. The article came out in the New York Post a couple weeks ago. Look at the date at the top - May 10, 2009. But they made a mistake about when Rudaj was convicted, saying it was last year when it was really in 2006. Like I said, reporters make mistakes. Nevertheless, you asked for an article from this year and I gave it to you. Furthermore, I gave you another article from 2008 that said the same thing. But no matter what, you'll find some lousy excuse to dismiss them because they don't say what you want them to say.

no the real proof is not in the indictments. italian criminals because they speka english and deal with anybody are much easier to catch which is why they are arrested left and right. while police in michigan have said they have failed at penetrating albanian organized crime. when have the police said something like that about italians? NEVER. because italians are caught all the time. being easily caught because of lack of discpline and speaking english does not make you the strongest around. it makes you the dumbest around.

not to mention most of the arrests come from rats. usually one guy gets caught, then he snitches them all out in the italian case. something we have yet to see with albanian criminals. like i said, indictments = nothing.

You can make up all the excuses you want. As I said, even if one takes into account language barriers, it doesn't explain the huge gap between the five Mafia families in New York and those of the Russian, Chinese, and Albanian groups. Bottom line, you're always going to find conflicting information from articles, reports, comments from officials, etc. But the ultimate proof of who the authorities consider to be the biggest investigative priority is who they go after the most. And that means indictments. Sorry pal, the facts just aren't on your side - as usual.

[Dobre]

Huh? How can I copy and paste the report when it doesn't even exist? If it does, we both know you would have been waiving it around, posting the link to it in huge, multi-color font for days or weeks now. But you haven't because it doesn't exist. So you can stop referring to it.p

i mean't the london daily news report. a reporter is not going to just going to make an entire report up.

Your article is based on an FBI report that doesn't exist.

Here's two articles below. While the framework of both of them is about the newer emerging groups, both say that the Mafia is still the strongest. And the second one has a video with an FBI agent saying the same thing. And notice how in the first article, they have go back once again to Rudaj in order to talk about Albanians.

May 2010
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05102009/po ... 168444.htm

July 2008
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/16/fbi.mob/index.html

again you are caught in a lie. it was posted in may 2009 (not 2010 dumbass) but it came out as an article in 2005. one year after rudaj's indictment. read the whole thing moron. it mentions rudaj getting indicted last year. as for the other one, that was in 2008, not 2009 like i asked. the offer still stands, find me an article from 2009 or later saying the italians are number one and this argument is dead.

How many indictments and arrests there are is a direct result of organized crime activity. Even when making allowances for the new groups being harder to crack because of language barriers, differences in organization, etc. that doesn't completely account for the huge difference in indictments between them and the five Mafia families in New York. The Mafia is indicted more often because it's a bigger priority. It's a bigger priorty because it's more stronger and more active there than these other groups. After all is said and done as far as articles and off the cuff quotes go, the real proof in the pudding is indictments.

no the real proof is not in the indictments. italian criminals because they speka english and deal with anybody are much easier to catch which is why they are arrested left and right. while police in michigan have said they have failed at penetrating albanian organized crime. when have the police said something like that about italians? NEVER. because italians are caught all the time. being easily caught because of lack of discpline and speaking english does not make you the strongest around. it makes you the dumbest around.

not to mention most of the arrests come from rats. usually one guy gets caught, then he snitches them all out in the italian case. something we have yet to see with albanian criminals. like i said, indictments = nothing.

[CheGuevara]

Reporters make mistakes and this is one of them. There is no FBI report that says the Albanians have taken over the Italians and Russians in New York. You know and I know it.

no actually i don't know it. a reporter says there is. i am leaning towards believing it. you're the god who seems to know things just because of your feelings towards it.

The only one lying here is you. I was typing fast and typed 2010 instead of 2009. The article came out in the New York Post a couple weeks ago. Look at the date at the top - May 10, 2009. But they made a mistake about when Rudaj was convicted, saying it was last year when it was really in 2006. Like I said, reporters make mistakes. Nevertheless, you asked for an article from this year and I gave it to you. Furthermore, I gave you another article from 2008 that said the same thing. But no matter what, you'll find some lousy excuse to dismiss them because they don't say what you want them to say.

well first off, i don't care about you're report from 2008. i said 2009 or higher. secondly, no the reporter did not make a mistake, just because the new york post posted it on their website just now, doesn't mean it came out just recently. the report was old, that is why he said rudaj was arrested last year. so it was either in 2005 or in 2007 that it was written. no one makes a mistake like that.... you would have to be totally off your seat to make a mistake like that. not to mention editors have to proof read the thing.

You can make up all the excuses you want. As I said, even if one takes into account language barriers, it doesn't explain the huge gap between the five Mafia families in New York and those of the Russian, Chinese, and Albanian groups. Bottom line, you're always going to find conflicting information from articles, reports, comments from officials, etc. But the ultimate proof of who the authorities consider to be the biggest investigative priority is who they go after the most. And that means indictments. Sorry pal, the facts just aren't on your side - as usual.

sorry pal, the facts are not there period. the indictments do not mean a thing. how many times do i have to explain this to you? just because italian criminals because they speak english and are not affiliated by blood, marriage or close friendships are caught much, much, much easier then the clannish, albanian speaking criminals, it doesn't mean anything... ANYTHING.

like i said, because of the report, i now want to see 2009 reports that claim the italians are the biggest priority. if you get me that, this conversation is done about who is stronger is done.

[Dobre]

Reporters make mistakes and this is one of them. There is no FBI report that says the Albanians have taken over the Italians and Russians in New York. You know and I know it.

no actually i don't know it. a reporter says there is. i am leaning towards believing it. you're the god who seems to know things just because of your feelings towards it.

The only one lying here is you. I was typing fast and typed 2010 instead of 2009. The article came out in the New York Post a couple weeks ago. Look at the date at the top - May 10, 2009. But they made a mistake about when Rudaj was convicted, saying it was last year when it was really in 2006. Like I said, reporters make mistakes. Nevertheless, you asked for an article from this year and I gave it to you. Furthermore, I gave you another article from 2008 that said the same thing. But no matter what, you'll find some lousy excuse to dismiss them because they don't say what you want them to say.

well first off, i don't care about you're report from 2008. i said 2009 or higher. secondly, no the reporter did not make a mistake, just because the new york post posted it on their website just now, doesn't mean it came out just recently. the report was old, that is why he said rudaj was arrested last year. so it was either in 2005 or in 2007 that it was written. no one makes a mistake like that.... you would have to be totally off your seat to make a mistake like that. not to mention editors have to proof read the thing.

You can make up all the excuses you want. As I said, even if one takes into account language barriers, it doesn't explain the huge gap between the five Mafia families in New York and those of the Russian, Chinese, and Albanian groups. Bottom line, you're always going to find conflicting information from articles, reports, comments from officials, etc. But the ultimate proof of who the authorities consider to be the biggest investigative priority is who they go after the most. And that means indictments. Sorry pal, the facts just aren't on your side - as usual.

sorry pal, the facts are not there period. the indictments do not mean a thing. how many times do i have to explain this to you? just because italian criminals because they speak english and are not affiliated by blood, marriage or close friendships are caught much, much, much easier then the clannish, albanian speaking criminals, it doesn't mean anything... ANYTHING.

like i said, because of the report, i now want to see 2009 reports that claim the italians are the biggest priority. if you get me that, this conversation is done about who is stronger is done.

Shut the fuck up no one cares about you n1ggers anyhow.

[VostokSila]

Why do you bother explaining this to John? He doesn't even know his own blood and origin... you think he knows something about organized crime??

I don't understand why you respond to him.. Albanians are not the strongest in europe or in NY. They only dominant in the Balkan nations but other than this... they are not "top dogs" anywhere, not in Germany, not in Italy, not in UK, not in Spain, not in France, not in Belgium, not in Swizzerland, not in Czec rep., not in Hungary, not in Finland, not in Sweden, not in Turkey.

They are only top FOREIGN group in italy, and in greece... other than those countries and the balkan nations.. they are not important.
Am I the only one who sees this?

[Dobre]

Balkan nations? They only hold sway in parts of Western Macedonia, Albania and Kosovo.

They have sway in Kumanovo like that Bajrush Sejdiu guy...but most of the time anywhere it's joint. Even in Tetovo, it's joint. Skopje, LOL don't even think about it. What Cair? Butel? Saraj? LOL.

In Greece they are a major group, you're right. Anywhere outside they don't hold nada. They're a regional power. They only hold sway where they have more than a million people within a 100 miles in all directions.

[Dobre]

In Greece they only hold sway border wise, and that is Epirus and Thessaly.

In Greece we have pretty much the entire middle North to South part, such as Thessaloniki and Athens...along with the Bulgarians(Drama). Everything close to Turkey is Turkish ground.

Anything coming through Greece goes through the Turks first, is handed to us and the Bulgarians and then we hand it over to the Albanians which transport it over to Italy.

[Dobre]

^ Sicily.

[sticks]

Hey buddy do you got an up to date one of those lists? And do you got like a list of unions that have been proven to be under certain families?? Just a shot in the dark im pretty interested by the big long thing..




thats what she said...

[thewestside]

Hey buddy do you got an up to date one of those lists? And do you got like a list of unions that have been proven to be under certain families?? Just a shot in the dark im pretty interested by the big long thing..




thats what she said...

Hey, stranger.

By "lists," do you mean of recent indictments? I actually have pretty much every mob related indictment on file from 2000 to the present. It's pretty dang big so I'll send it to your email.

As far as unions, do you mean throughout history or in recent years?

[sticks]

Thanks buddy! I swear that shit is insane haha. i actually got a few friends in there lol. cousins in there but not mentioned by name haha-what a dumb fuck

By unions i meant like last couple years-ish. Do you got any of that kinda stuff? that lists freakin amazing.

I just had a hour long conversation with a drag queen lol.. but seriously...Hows it goin wayyyy out there in the hood? I finally figured out why yous go by westside... Its so you can go WESTSIIIIIIEEEEDDDDDE!!!!!!!!!!!!! to any nigga who be frontin in this bitch

[thewestside]

Thanks buddy! I swear that shit is insane haha. i actually got a few friends in there lol. cousins in there but not mentioned by name haha-what a dumb fu--

By unions i meant like last couple years-ish. Do you got any of that kinda stuff? that lists freakin amazing.

I just had a hour long conversation with a drag queen lol.. but seriously...Hows it goin wayyyy out there in the hood? I finally figured out why yous go by westside... Its so you can go WESTSIIIIIIEEEEDDDDDE!!!!!!!!!!!!! to any nigga who be frontin in this bitch

Over the past decade or so...


GENOVESE FAMILY

Carpenters Union Local 11
Carpenters Union Local 20
Carpenters Union Local 45
Carpenters Union Local 157
Carpenters Union Local 608
Carpenters Union Local 926
Carpenters Union Local 964
New York District Council of Carpenters
Association of Wall-Ceiling & Carpentry Industries
Amalgamated Carpenters and Joiners Union
Operative Plasterers & Cement Masons Union Local 530
Operative Plasterers & Cement Workers Union Local 780
International Union of Journeyman & Allied Trades Local 124
International Union of Journeyman & Allied Trades Local 713
International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14
International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 15
United Union of Roofers, Water Proofers & Allied Workers Local 8
Bricklayers & Allied Craftworkers Union Local 7
International Union of Elevator Constructors Local 1
Elecrical Workers Union Local 3
Teamsters Local 701
Teamsters Local 813
Teamsters Local 1181
ILA Local 824
ILA Local 1235
ILA Local 1478
ILA Local 1588
ILA Local 1804-1
ILA Local 1922
ILA Local 1922-1
ILA Local 2062
Metropolitan Marine Maintenance Contractors Association
United Food & Commerical Workers Union Local 1262
United Food & Commercial Workers Union Local 348
Bakery, Confectionary, and Tobacco Workers Union Local 102
Building Service Workers Union Local 32 B/J
Novelty and Production Workers Union Local 148
Laborers Local 734
HEREU Local 69
New York Central Labor Council


GAMBINO FAMILY

Laborers Local 79
Laborers Local 325
Laborers Local 731
Laborers Local 1018
Laborers Local 1153
International Union of Elevator Constructors Local 1
International Union of Operating Engineers Local 14
International Union of Operating Engineers Local 825
Plumbers, Pipefitters, and Steamfitters Local 638
Teamsters Union Local 282
Teamsters Union Local 854
ILA Local 1
ILA Local 1814
United Plant & Production Workers Union Local 175
Building Service Workers Union Local 32 B/J
Corrections Officers Union Local 2005
United Food & Commercial Workers Union Local 305


LUCCHESE FAMILY

Laborers Local 20
Laborers Local 29
Laborers Local 66
Laborers Local 79
Carpenters Local 608
Bricklayers Local 1
International Union of Operating Engineers Local 825
Teamsters Local 806
New York Department of Buildings
United Food & Commercial Workers Union Local 348
Communication Workers Local 14170
Corrections Officers Union Local 2005


COLOMBO FAMILY

International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14
International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 15
International Union of Operating Engineers Local 137
Laborers Local 6A
Teamsters Local 282
Production Workers Union Local 400
Corrections Officers Union Local 2005

[sticks]

Jesus thats a lot of fuckin locals. How many of those does the horse control? Or allie shades or barney? I actually met barney once but ill message you that story. What about the bonannos? What about the post? And who runs the javits center?

[thewestside]

Jesus thats a lot of fuckin locals. How many of those does the horse control? Or allie shades or barney? I actually met barney once but ill message you that story. What about the bonannos? What about the post? And who runs the javits center?

Ianniello's crew -

Teamsters Local 813
Teamsters Local 1181
Carpenters Union Local 926
International Union of Journeyman & Allied Trades Local 124
International Union of Journeyman & Allied Trades Local 713
Bricklayers & Allied Craftworkers Union Local 7


Barney's crew -

Carpenters Union Local 20
Carpenters Union Local 45
Carpenters Union Local 157
Carpenters Union Local 608
Amalgamated Carpenters and Joiners Union
New York District Council of Carpenters
Association of Wall-Ceiling & Carpentry Industries
International Union of Operating Engineers Local 14
International Union of Operating Engineers Local 15
Operative Plasterers & Cement Masons Union Local 530
Operative Plasterers & Cement Workers Union Local 780
ILA Local 1804-1


Most of the Bonanno family's involvement in the unions seems to have dissipated in the 1960's; around the time Joe Bonanno was forced into retirement. They had a few things left after that, like the Mover's union and the NY Post, but those are gone now too. The Bonanno's are mainly in the traditional rackets, i.e. gambling, loansharking, extortion, narcotics, stolen goods, fraud, etc.

Obviously the Genovese family controlled the Javit's Center back in the day. With some involvement from some of the other families. But in the 1990's the Javit's Center was largely cleaned up.

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Yeah ralphie reaally fucked up the javits center didnt he? Common cut from a no show job is a 50-50 split between the guy who got you the job and you. Some guys ask for 25 others 75, some zero- itall depends how greedy the fuck is that oversees the local. The javits was said to have what 40-50 no shows. Wow.. Ground zero is the latest cashcow. Big money for all the families. You can bet barney and horses crews are deep into those industries.

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Another thing i didnt mention is recently, other than dope and coke i agree with you, that crew really isnt into the usual bread and butter like you say. Now i aint saying not one of them takes action but theres nothing major like other crews. Gambling is to laborious and small time for them. It takes years to build up a nice group of customers and trustworthy employees. It also takes one big ass bank roll to run even a small book unless youre a pussy and lay off ur action. Any made guy worth his salt has money on the street though, whether its their money or a "bank"s. Shit like card games and joker poker are good money makers but on a street level. Even a card game that lasts one night can bring in a thousand dollars but it is to much exposure on too many levels. A good card game has a wide selection of customers and word about it is spread through word of mouth. On the other hand it only takes one guy to right checks from a unions pension fund. Barneys crew is a good example of relying on union rackets. Patsy parellos crew is more into street rackets. The exception would be drugs tho. Both crews are stock full with tough capable guys. In past its been proven barney moves wholesale. Has it ever been proven that barney actually gets his dope from sicily? If so that means he or whoever in his crew moves it probably would end up supplying a good bit of that family. Step on a key of coke and sell it by the o your making 100 grand easy. And thats if your generous and decide to give ur customers an old man for 1500 at 50% pure. And the profits for smack is twice that.


Another thing ill say-the persicos are ddone. The persicos are hated, theyve demoted capable guys in order to promote the sons and relatives and suck up junkie friends. They got big billy russo in there now whos mushs son. Stand up soldier... Hes smarter than allie or teddy but is going to have to give up his seat when teddy gets out. IMO joe t and frank campy will end up running that family. Teddy will fuck up within a few yrs of being out and take big bill down with him. With any luck carmine persico dies when teddy goes back in. Then the top spot goes to frank campy imo. Top players will be jerry and jimmy brown clemenza, vinny lang, joe t, and ralph from LI. Just my opinion tho.

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The Genovese family has always seemed to have relatively little contact with the Sicilian mafiosi. At least compared to the Gambino and Bonanno families. Though I imagine Barney got his supply from the same sources when he was dealing back in the day.

Besides the traditional street rackets, Patsy's crew has also been involved in other things. He has his restaurant, of course. His nephew owns a carting company. And back in 2001, the crew was busted for embezzling over $1 million from two Carpenters locals.

I don't know if I'd write off the Persicos just yet. Carmine is reportedly in bad health and probably doesn't have much longer to live. I wouldn't be surprised if Allie Boy gets the official title when his father dies. But there are supposedly still a lot of extended Persico family members in addition to Teddy and Michael Persico.

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Persicos? Who? Allie, teddy, michael, frank, the russos, the langellas... I mean these were big names but not anymore. Teddy gets out in a yr right? Bill will step down to underboss to relieve d shacks and teddy takes the top spot. Imho ofcorse.