The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

Unread post by istekse818 » July 24th, 2013, 4:13 am

Shaggy's Revenge



The intersection of Normandie Avenue and Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard is territory of the Western Locos click the Mara Salvatrucha. And the long alley that lies a few meters, parallel to and Browning King Jr. Boulevard, was in the 80's a regular meeting place for the MS. All the houses on the block are still two floors with wooden windows, a garage and a small garden with rear door to the alley. They say that the party that night in late 1989, was in one of those houses.

In meetings like this, the Salvatrucha gang and various cliques of the 18 used to share beer and liquor while floating in the atmosphere cheerful smell of marijuana. People came and went, and there was always someone new to meet in that web of relationships that cliques structure was far and wide across Los Angeles. In the street and the neighbors house boldly rang the loud music: rock and hip-hop at the time, interspersed with some oldies of James & Bobby Purify, or Mary Wells. The dieciocheros ask insisted 60s music, to bring them zoot suits and broad hat, in taking them towering hairstyles. Dressing as gang old school was a kind of vindication of their history, because they had.

The Salvatrucha was just beginning to write her own and just breathed in the present moment.

Nobody seems to remember the name of the girl that started the discussion, but most accounts agree that the party that night was broken in a fight between Shaggy, the Western, and it ended up going dieciochero a UZI submachine and resolved the dispute in the alley with bullets. So say no more. As if the deaths were born from nothing, that memory has reduced important episode in the image of a gun being fired. As if that outburst not need explanation because it was to be sous-entendu the party was bathed in gunpowder. They say Shaggy body lay on the dirt floor of the alley, where the homeless sleep today.

But even that is safe. The genesis of the religion of hate is confusing.

The American researcher Tom Ward, who for 20 years question gang members from both sides how the war began, has collected other testimonies that speak of a drive by a strafing from a moving car, in which the MS gang members wanted kill members of a rival gang, the Harpies, and mistakenly hit a dieciochero who was with them. According to this version, the District 18 asked the MS financial compensation for the death of his homeboy, gang habitual gesture to show repentance or forgiveness. But Mara would not pay. He considered a humiliation and called on the 18th to allow its members to meet with the Harpies, enemies of his friends.

Nobody, in any version, who pulled that first trigger. The name of who triggered the war between the Mara Salvatrucha and Barrio 18 has gone up to the rumore

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Alex Sanchez that night that he was killed with friends Shaggy in their court, near the corner of Normandie with the 8th, when someone came to deliver the news. "I burst," he said.

Not surprised. In recent years the brushes with the 18 had become more and more common. For business dispute, by personal enmity, because the street begets hatred. But above all, the slow but steady migration to the ranks of the Salvadoran dieciocheros Salvatrucha eager to stop pretending that they were Chicanos, which initially tolerated, had become increasingly uncomfortable for the leaders of Barrio 18, anxious to see his little brother grow and outraged that I did at their expense, stealing.

─ felt that Mara Salvatrucha was disrespecting them, says Alex Sanchez.

And in the world of gangs, when it disappears respect nothing left to preserve and vanishes brotherhood. Broken hymen that symbolic, in gangs is just plain dialogue and brutal violence.

The night that killed Shaggy, she says Alex Sanchez, who was immediately proposed seek an agreed solution, try to drown out the sound of bullets and shot, before confused with the sound of bullets response.

─ We said we had to talk about what had happened, trying to see a solution. You could not start a war with these people because ... why not.

─ Why friendship? Why that Mara would not add a new enemy?

─ not believe me, but at the Normandie were different, because in the area of ​​Normandy were still Playboys and I click on those years still got along very well with the Playboys, although they were enemies of the 18. To us, somehow we fell well 18. But other cliques were well attached to them, and that was the relationship that you had to maintain.

─ What did they do to fix it?

─ Nothing. He'd try, but gave no time. Western boys and close friends Shaggy gave no chance, and dawn had like four dead.

Grease the machinery of revenge after that was easy. The Barrio 18 and Mara Salvatrucha were so close that each gang hideouts knew and where they lived the other members. In the years that followed, when an enemy is flashing a green light, a death sentence, there was always someone who knew where to find it. And the new names of the dead were doing forget those first.

─ Gang members do not care about history. If they cared, they would be studying history in school, says . I knew the Shaggy. When he was killed, was about my age, 17. I used to see him spend the afternoon at a Taco Bell near the alley, with his girlfriend. But now hardly anyone in the Mara remembers him. Comes people will ... and there are only legends.

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

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For that say that night began the lawsuit and the next morning I had four dead-we insisted.

─ Yes, but the thing did not happen overnight. Came before. The thing is that by that time the 18 three Salvadorans had jumped to the Mara, but it somehow had not been out of the first 18. And two of those had jumped to the clique Western Locos.

─ And were at that party?

─ Apparently. The thing is, at that party was discussed about that, and that is what the UZI. As the bullets flew Shaggy hand and killed him. But it was not planned. And the next one was not killed that night. It was days later that week.

─ Who was it?

─ The Funny, from the 18. The Funny passed through the territory of Normandy without knowing anything about what had happened, and the homies from the Mara was called. In a house I had hours making it all, until he was killed.

─ Why avenge Shaggy?

─ Yes They went one by one. Now he has lost count. But it was by a woman.

A woman is in the gang, a being insignificant. There are veteran gang in Los Angeles who say that to them, in their neighborhood, they have been observed, which have been an equal, that their neighborhood is different from the others, but in most Latino gangs in Los Angeles and particularly in its Central branches, now a woman is a worthless negligible.

In Los Angeles, for years, cliques of the Mara Salvatrucha and the Fulton-the click of Satan-not jump to condemn women and walk alongside a smaller range to the gang. They fear that they are more likely to inform on their homies or cause internal conflicts. The 18 gang in El Salvador, and does not accept women in its ranks. Woman gives logistical support, working in business, is the concubine of one or more gang members, but has no vote nor voice, nor deserves honor demands revenge when the enemy kills a homeboy. The woman is dispensable.

There hardened exceptions. As the same Chele, in Los Angeles accumulated and retains respect. Or as The Queen, an aggressive leader of the Mara Salvatrucha in Honduras to which gang members in several countries attach control much of the drug trade and weapons in San Pedro Sula. Women more manhood that his own men. That: exceptions.

So strange, almost twisted, that gang members from both sides ensure enemies in both Los Angeles and Central America, the hatred between the Mara Salvatrucha 18 gang originated in a fight over a girl.

─ The bottom line is that they did not want the 18 Salvadorans were made in the Mara-Chele insists. They wanted us to be always in the shadow of the dominant Hispanic group.

─ ...

─ Do you really think that a lawsuit by a woman anyone would torture a man for hours? What a woman would enter a wretch a broomstick for the year, as they did to Funny? No, man ... was more important.

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

Unread post by xxx » July 24th, 2013, 7:54 pm

I remember when MS were on King & Normandie. Before ATC & STV.... It was 18, Dead Ends and MS13 in the area, as far as Eses goes......

They always were on Western & Adams around the same time.....then they vanished.....

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Unread post by bgcasper » July 24th, 2013, 9:22 pm

i google the blocc u said seems western adams is a lot of hps hit ups but futher south in old school 30's hood i found an alley 30 st and normandi that alley run north south and join 30 st to jefferson the alley between normandi and brighton first notice a crew called raw who hit up the most there are really amazing grafitti la style mural with very nice skulls drwed seems raw are the artist but they dont wack no one they seems taggers than in the middle of the alley there is some ms hits up even a big one dissin harpys 18 pbs also a crew gang called abs 13 seems around too they even wacked ms so my guess is that they still have presence over there very interresting thread thanks for the 18 street vato imput !!!!

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Unread post by istekse818 » July 24th, 2013, 11:12 pm

The first ever Salvadorian restaurant in... west la opened up in 1969 so there could be q chance that first wave Salvadorian pre civil war era were not fleeing there could be q chance but the conflict in el Salvador really goes back to 1975

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Unread post by Lonewolf » September 21st, 2013, 5:56 pm

All in the absence of the PLAYBOYS on that street corner!

It was months and years of growing pains for Salvatruchas. Those from the mid-80’s all say the same thing, that the chicano gangs around did not care much for them, and they were always getting hassled. It was like instant hate against any guanacos. Salvadoran immigrants presented an easy prey for the old mexican immigrants and negros. It was as if the role which the gabacho americanos once played, was taken over by the brown chicanos playing the american versus the wetback. That was the attitude that chicanos had against salvatruchas.

When los Maras would hit county or the pen, they would get mad ridiculed for their ways and slang; Salvatrucos had a vernacular that bordered on the vulgar side; they had all kinds of crazy words that just didn’t go with the norm, words like vergo and cerote and ways of phrasing them which not only were they unfamiliar to chicanos, but also was considered below the talk used by the brown raza from around these parts. But it was those same differences they had with the chicanos and mexicans, and all that rejection which also helped them out in getting it together and forming one big powerful group.

Them getting jumped all the time by other chicano and black gangs brought them closer to each other. After the beat downs, they started to gain courage and strength, they started to wisen up, and with every passing month, la Mara grew and grew. La Mara was not accepted by the other ethnic groups, but with every passing month, it was getting harder and harder not to recognize them as a force out on the streets; a force which a lot of varrios and sets had to deal with on the regular. Soon, la Mara began to acquire a vicious fame. At a time when a lot of the street fighting was done with switchblades and chains, los Maras began to use machetes, and even walked around carrying achas.

As time went by and more and more young salvatrucos would get busted for small shit and get sent to juvie, their metal rocker stoner look began to disappear, and the chicano gang style began to take hold of them; It began to take over them and started molding them into the recognized califas gangster style from old; Their long hair shaved off when they hit the joint, and isolated from their metal maras on the streets; outnumbered and outmuscled on the yards, the salvatruchas had to really become truchas and change it up; they started to fall in line and learn the codes of the south siders, and they had to learn up on the sureno ethics; they d to roll with the old chicano gang ways and began to blend in with the style, both on the inside, as well as on the outside. They transformed themselves, and they draped themselves with the chicano look, and they adopted the chicano ways of doing things.

In those early years on the streets of LA, los Maras were slowly adapting and integrating themselves into the order of things, but it was while doing time that their real educational process took them to the next level; doing time finally threw them into the mix and helped them out with their gang education; the gang logic of LA became complete and set in.

If the “system" was one that categorized and bunched them in together with the chicanos and labelled them all as latino or hispanic gangmembers, then why not take on the role for reals and dress the part, talk the part, and walk the part. It was as if they convinced themselves that it was so, meant to be, and so let it be; Mara Salvatrucha gangsters instead of rag-tag stoners.

By the year of 1985 the various Locos salvatruchas cliques had left behind the rockero model, the identity, and the brand name of stoners, and in the following years they jumped in fully with the routine of the calles of dope dealing in the parks and street corners. Los Maras either slanged chingadera themselves, or they taxed the dope dealers in their turfs.

For the Maras to control the streets did not mean nada if they weren’t making any feria of it. Having pleito with other gangs around them was to take over control in all the street life categories. Violence meant a presence, a presence meant control, control meant cash, and cash meant power. With cash you could have it all, the power and everything that goes with it, cuetes, drogas, ranflas, rucas, negocio and more power, mas de todo!

La Chele remembers and tells it like this, of how the homies coming out from la torcida would teach all the youngsters and new members the art and tactics of intimidation, and how to use that intimidation to gain control of the streets. The older veterano homies had learned their skills behind bars, thru long school conversations behind the four walls; they had learned the ways from other hard time gangsters.
La Chele herself, after somewhat of a short time served, when she got out, she was put in charge of putting things in order with her clique. The clique had been losing feria and were coming out short all the time because the mensos were only going out to collect from the locos aventando in their area only once a week.
The homie mas chingon from the clique put up the argument that how she was gonna know how things were out there when she had been locked up and had barely came out? But she put it down and set things straight, La Renta Se Cobra Cada Dia – The Rent Is To Be Paid Every Day! -and besides that, quit riding around in that flamed up pick up truck of yours ‘cause everybody out there selling spots you a mile away and they bolt when they see you, so nobody pays nada!

The rules were laid out clearly after that, and the word was sent out. Of course everyone dealing already knew que ondas, but everyone had been winging it. But once they were put on notice of “paga o balas” that was it, everyone fell in line or moved out. There were no options, no free-wheeling and dealing anymore. Once it became serio pedo with the rent, everyone paid on time every day!

Of course there were always those that tested the waters and tried to say fuck that, but La Mara treated their zones as a negocio, so todos had to register and pay their taxes. A business has to obtain their permits and pay their dues to the city and government, right? Otherwise the law will come down on you sooner or later, and so tambien, the same shit would happen to you with La Mara, they’d come down on you if you refused to pay. There were always someone who had to be given some cachetadas to make them understand, the same way a pimp would slap one of his hoes to set an example. So in essence, it’s the same thing con la ganga; it is a reflection of society; you play, you pay, and the Mara was there to make sure of that.

The police would be the ones to tell you if there were murders committed by La Mara while in the process of controlling. Violence of that type has always been bad business –it brings too much heat to a spot, but then again none from La Mara have ever been accused of having a Master's degrees in Business Administration, so it’s true that it happened from time to time, examples had to be made; that is part of the nature of the beast, que no?

To be continued...

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

Unread post by Lonewolf » September 22nd, 2013, 3:38 am

La Mara Salvatrucha kept their old heavy metal devil horns as their gang hand sign, the same logo that the Salvatruchos of today call “La Garra.”  La Mara had gone from a young immigrant boys gang, to a full blown hard core gang in a matter of few years. By the mid 80s, they already had like 12 cliques in the central and west side of Los Angeles. These cliques included the infamous Hollywood Locos, the Normandie Locos, the Fedora Locos, the Leeward Locos and Western Locos, or Lucasios as some would refer themselves as in Salvatrucha lingo, instead of Locos.

La Mara had also put together one more clique in the San Fernando Valley; one that was especially todos cycos; the Fulton Locos which grew big times and gained some serio notoriety. The Fulton Locos defied everyone, and they earned the respect of their many rivals. It was these mismo Fulton Locos that El Satan would later become the shot-caller of in later years.

In 1985 La Mara had their first martyr. The Homie was killed in the back parking lot of the 7-11 on James Wood (their original spot). In that world which La Mara had entered, it required a baptism by fire; the playing field required that homies die for a street corner, and that same death would buy them life on the streets; it would infuriate them and send them on a trip of no return. That martirio Homie still carried a stoner name; He was known as El Black Sabbath (R.i.P.)

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thanks keep it comin very interresting

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BG CASPER - thanks keep it comin very interresting

The Curacao department store building en La Olympic ain’t never ever gonna appear in per say, an architectural atlas book; not even in any magazine pages posting up any bad ass works of structural art constructed to adorn any city landscape; This building is a monstrosity of cement and dark glass which has the same appeal and charm as that of a coup-de-etat general in the decade of the sixties. The building stands right there in the middle of the Pico Union district, right were you could say, the lower west side of LA begins. About the only sweet thing going on around this building –some will say- is the Pollo Campero aroma that seeps out of that first floor. El Pollo Campero is from a chain of fast food restaurants coming out of Guatemala, CA (Centro-America), and this place has all the nostalgic smells of back home; it’s fragrance takes people back in time to the old land. So thus it may be so that this sweet pollo perfume might be about the only thing giving this building a pass in the community.

El downtown LA still as yet and to this very day, has not been able to shake off the bad fame which the 80s and 90s decade left it with. A lot of people today would relate to you, that back in those years downtown was full of bad peoples; the lowest of the low; bad smelly people; brown, black and whites found all over its streets pushing supermarket carts topped with junk just as smelly as they were; peddlers, beggars, insane in the mente and not all there out of luck people. And that downtown was also filled with pushers and putas, as well as las gangas –the gangs- holding up a corner, a theatre or a spot. Downtown was a place of business in the both the high-rise building sense, as well as tambien la calle business. Assault, robbery, shooting and stabbings, that is what el downtown meant. The gringos pre-supposed that it was all filled with illegal immigrants and non-desirables south of Broadway, west of heaven. It was a police problema, never a social issue ~> in their minds.

But anyways, with waves and waves of new immigrants to the city of angels in the 80s and 90s, both legal and illegal, the neighborhoods got filled up quick, and the tenements pushed in ever closer to downtown. Everything, every nook and cranny of living space around downtown got rented up. In all the barrios and neighborhoods, in all the tenement buildings that you looked around and saw, it got filled up with Centros and southern Mexico raza, and La Pico-Union Barrio was one of those epi-centers of Salvadoran migration. Right there, in that epi-center, that’s where La Curacao’s Pollo Campero permeated the area with its perfume. It was in that same building, in-between all kinds of little business offices which shared the one and only restroom on the 7th floor, where the offices of Homies Unidos headquatered at. This Homies Unidos chapter was started by and presided by this little short and stubby Salvatruco named Alex.

A non-official transcript of the life and times of El Alex would read something like this; That he first landed in LA when he was just seven years of age; that he had come here same like thousands of others, fleeing from El Salvador’s civil war. That he had cliqued up with La Mara at a very young age –while La Mara was still in its infancy; and that he was one from the original stoner generation. Alex then got busted and was subsequently deported back to El Salvador back in 1994. The following year, Alex made it back to LA illegally, and a year later he started out the Homies Unidos organization. Homies Unidos was the brainchild of Alex set up to help out Centro Raza out of the gang life, and to put them back into the world-accepted norm of things That’s a page of Alex’s history seen from one angle. Homies Unidos at that time counted with huge support and carried credibility, but with the years it faded, and soon it wasn’t even Centros that made up its ranks; in a matter of saying, it had lost its connection to the Salvadoran mind.

In 2002, El Alex was able to convince a US immigration hearing panel that his life was in danger back in El Salvador due to his gang affiliation background, and so they let him stay. His story was one of a handful of cases in which the g-forces gave someone a pass under the “humanitarian asylum” label. But then in 2009, an FBI investigation against MS13, se lo llevo entre las patas; He was taken out of his pad in handcuffs and was accused of living the double-life. One side an activist for the re-habilitation and re-integration of gangsters back into society, and another side which played the role of shot-caller for La Mara. El Alex together with some twenty-something other Homies were charged with a long ass list of crimes, including the charges of murder and conspiracy to murder.

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Unread post by bgcasper » September 23rd, 2013, 11:56 pm

lonewolf were this text come from ? its nice to read your post pure historia !!

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bgcasper wrote:lonewolf were this text come from ? its nice to read your post pure historia !!
like i said ese CASPER, i'm translating some paginas written en espanol into spanglish a la Lonewolf version

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The Story Continues...

El Alex then spent the next two years locked up awaiting trial, but a huge aliviane of support and civil rights action on his behalf, finally got him released under semi-parole conditions like he couldn’t leave the state, couldn’t have any type of contact with members from La Mara or any gang, and not even take a chug of alcohol. His court date had been programmed to take place in 2013, but early on in January of that same year, the case was thrown out due to lack of hard evidence and shisty 411 wiretap gathering. Even so, the juras have still refused to let it all go away, and they’ve since kept a shadow on him, ready to pull the trigger on his life and liberty.

Alex has always claimed that he was being set up, and that he’s a victima de un complot, engineered by vengeful dirty cops who would not accept the positive taking place in the barrios; When asked about his controversial background, he’ll be straight up and tell you that his life is a like a scarred face which carries the marks of having ran with the gang. He’ll tell you –in his way of looking at it- that for the pandilleros, it’s like a Russian roulette game, that from the moment you get jumped in, that it is like authorizing the enemy to come after you and kill you on sight, just for the simple fact of belonging to your gang. To be a gang member is essentially a self-destroy quest, a suicidal mission. It is to go on auto-destruct mode; adding that he stopped committing each-and-every-day suicide ten years ago when he quit the gang and exited the crazy life. It just didn’t make sense to him anymore why latinos were offing each other every day on the streets over national origins and petty differences. If you put all those gang faces together side by side –he’d say- what you saw was the same skin color, and the very same racial characteristics of the native people from the continent, whether Aztec, Maya or other Indian blood. All those crazy vatos with guns in their hands, Guanacos, Chapines, Centros, Paisano Mexicans or Chicanos, from wherever they were born or came from, they all looked the same. But it is as if they looked themselves in the mirror, and they hate what they see, so they try to destroy their own reflection. It’s crazy but it’s like that with the gangs, they see each other, and they can’t stand to see each other and what they represent, so they go out every day and kill themselves; it is a suicidal self-destroy attitude that the gangs have.

In the 80s, the most fitting mirror image of La Mara Salvatrucha was none other than la veterana ganga de La Dieciocho -The 18 Street gang had already been around for some 30 years on the calles of LA- But 18 Street would take in Centros into their ranks, while most other Chicano gangs around would not. In those years a lot of the Chicano gangs around would not recruit Centros, and even looked down on and rejected recent Mexican immigrants. But 18 Street was not like that; they’d let in anyone who’d be willing to wave their flag around. Eighteen Street grew big like that, letting in gente de todos lados, and because of that open-door policy, they grew real big in numeros, becoming the huge gang that it is today, that’s why 18 Streeters refer to their gang with the term of endearment ~> “La Grandota” - The Big One!

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so basecely 18 and mara are from the same comunity well it was kind of always clear also the 18 was lettin a lot of blaccs in during the 80's yes they didnt have strict racist policie like 14 st clanton what other gang were like that mixed who remember 80 st sc

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Unread post by Silencioso » September 25th, 2013, 1:51 pm

bgcasper wrote:so basecely 18 and mara are from the same comunity well it was kind of always clear also the 18 was lettin a lot of blaccs in during the 80's yes they didnt have strict racist policie like 14 st clanton what other gang were like that mixed who remember 80 st sc
I remember 80th St. Dukes/Ochentas. They were known to be mixed.

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Unread post by stickupkidakaBIGBANDIT » October 4th, 2013, 12:10 pm

Really informative. I have respect for the LA MS's not the rest. One live in my hood and he was Mexican but from Mexico and he was a cool and respectful dude. That Boy loved the Dodgers.lol

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Unread post by Lonewolf » October 4th, 2013, 10:14 pm

18 Street and MS cliques from the start shared some common grounds; they shared a lot of common geography in LA, and so 18 Streeters felt like they had a godfather relationship con los Maras; that had to do a lot with the fact that a lot of Centros made up 18ST ranks in those early 1980s years; so that made it easy for both gangs to get along.

18 Street & La Mara people would hang out together; they’d party together; get high and all of that together; and a lot of the times, they’d back each other up, gang banging on the same common enemies.

It was even said to be heard on the down low, that some of the Centro 18 Streeters would give props to La Mara for maintaining themselves different, and for not having caved in and folded up its identity to all the Chicano ways – La Mara refused to be the same like the rest of the gangs around – and Salvatruchas who were already part of La Eighteen would be rumored to say that if there would've of been a Guanaco gang like La Mara when they first landed in the US, that they would of joined La Mara instead of Eighteen Street.

A lot of Guanacos grown up here in the barrios and gone to the schools, they would hide from everybody the fact that their family came from San Julian, Chinameca, Chalaltenango, or Santa Rosa de Lima ~> from back in El Salvador. They even kept it out, even after years of having been initiated into whatever chicano gang; Just like some of those Truchas that had been jumped into the PLAYBOYS in the 1970s, they would do away with their centro accent and slang so that they could fit in, pero La Mara Salvatruchas from later years didn't had to do that; they didn't have to speak all that ole chicano totacha; it wasn’t a weight on them to do so, because they put their pride and heritage out in full; they threw it out there in full blast “MARA SALVATRUCHA” .. They had a kinship and national brotherhood which bonded them and cliqued them up together, and that same brotherhood went and set them off united against the world...

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Original members of the Western Locos from the Mara Stoners in the very early 1980's.
One of them, El Puppet, he later went back to El Salvador where he died assassinated.


To be continued...

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

Unread post by bgcasper » October 4th, 2013, 11:04 pm

firme post who is puppet on that pic ?

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

Unread post by Lonewolf » October 7th, 2013, 5:24 pm

bgcasper wrote:firme post who is puppet on that pic ?
hell if i know, ghost., i'm just interpreting a story written by someone else

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

Unread post by Lonewolf » October 7th, 2013, 5:27 pm

Silencioso wrote:
bgcasper wrote:so basecely 18 and mara are from the same comunity well it was kind of always clear also the 18 was lettin a lot of blaccs in during the 80's yes they didnt have strict racist policie like 14 st clanton what other gang were like that mixed who remember 80 st sc
I remember 80th St. Dukes/Ochentas. They were known to be mixed.

where was their neighborhood? or are they still around? are they an 80s gang?

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

Unread post by bgcasper » October 8th, 2013, 2:36 am

i would say they around main street 98

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

Unread post by elOriginalMartinez » October 8th, 2013, 12:52 pm

Quepolo3 wrote:@ Martinez- In the article it referred to The Hole Stoners from E. LA. Is that a Different set than THE LOTT 13? I know that you have the answer. Appreciate you sharing!
Just got out the LA county jail last night

Gonna take me a minute to read all this thread.

But for now... Hole Stoners was the generation frim Hoyo Maravilla

Hole /Hoyo - same thing

# 1 enemy to THE LOTT 13 at that time


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Also I personally know a real founder of MS Stoners

They started in 1983 /84
Take that to the bank


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18th Street started in the mid 1960s just look at their founder rocky Glover and his age effect well

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Quepolo3 wrote:@ Martinez- In the article it referred to The Hole Stoners from E. LA. Is that a Different set than THE LOTT 13? I know that you have the answer. Appreciate you sharing!
Just got out the LA county jail last night

Gonna take me a minute to read all this thread.

But for now... Hole Stoners was the generation frim Hoyo Maravilla

Hole /Hoyo - same thing

# 1 enemy to THE LOTT 13 at that time


....

Also I personally know a real founder of MS Stoners

They started in 1983 /84
Take that to the bank


.......

18th Street started in the mid 1960s just look at their founder rocky Glover and his age effect well

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

Unread post by elOriginalMartinez » October 8th, 2013, 1:04 pm

Quepolo3 wrote:@ Martinez- In the article it referred to The Hole Stoners from E. LA. Is that a Different set than THE LOTT 13? I know that you have the answer. Appreciate you sharing!
Just got out the LA county jail last night

Gonna take me a minute to read all this thread.

But for now... Hole Stoners was the generation frim Hoyo Maravilla

Hole /Hoyo - same thing

# 1 enemy to THE LOTT 13 at that time


....

Also I personally know a real founder of MS Stoners

They started in 1983 /84
Take that to the bank


.......

18th Street started in the mid 1960s just look at their founder rocky Glover and his age effect well

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Unread post by bgcasper » October 10th, 2013, 8:00 am

welcome back mr martinez !!! 8)

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Unread post by Lonewolf » October 21st, 2013, 3:43 am

do you want to read the rest of the fucken story or not!?

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

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Lonewolf wrote:do you want to read the rest of the fucken story or not!?
yes i do !!!but those day it looks like a two man forum lol pero here i am your reader posted up here to read mr lonewolf 8)

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bgcasper wrote:welcome back mr martinez !!! 8)
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elOriginalMartinez wrote:
bgcasper wrote:welcome back mr martinez !!! 8)
gracias
de nada you one of the pillar of that forum its also a pleasure to read you on the brown side i moslty read you lonewolf street thats why i still come here have a blessed day

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Unread post by HungryWolf » October 25th, 2013, 2:39 am

Lonewolf wrote:do you want to read the rest of the fucken story or not!?
Heel, yeah!!!

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

Unread post by elOriginalMartinez » October 25th, 2013, 11:15 am

i seen my the camarada from MS-13 who is a founder, last week....

i didnt get a chance to hollar at him regarding the MS-13 origin, but i should see him again this weekend

but he's told me before the origin year was 1983 /84

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

Unread post by HungryWolf » November 8th, 2013, 3:34 am

How did the first Mareros do in Cali prison? There must have been a lot of pressure on them between all the Sur riders.

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Re: The Origin of the Mara Salvatrucha

Unread post by VictoriousHTZ » November 8th, 2013, 11:15 am

MS are like us. Refugees, wasnt accepted by the local hood at first, then was welcomed to be part of the movement.

Central LA = El Salvis becoming Southsiders.

South Central LA = Cambodians becoming Bloods.

The psychology of gangs.

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