French Thugs, Rap and Islam...@BG Casper

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Re: French Thugs, Rap and Islam...@BG Casper

Unread post by Sentenza » July 21st, 2015, 2:26 am

Adobo wrote:Sentenza, the road to radicalism and genocide is paved w/ indifference. Indifference from people saying 'well that's just radicals doing it'. Lipstick on a pig is still a pig.

The difference between white people and Muslims denouncing certain issues is that not all white people believe in racism and they DENOUNCE racists but ALL Muslims to believe in the Koran the DO NOT denounce Islam or the Koran. Muslims are not the same as 'us'. They do not tolerate 'us'. If a white person denounces, or not, a racists person, that's fine. Nothing happens to them. But if a Muslim denounces another Muslim or Islam or radicalism Islam, they will get their heads lopped off also. Try asking a Muslim to denounce fanatics in the Middle East, see what happens...oh wait, we are, look at the Shias being slaughtered by Sunnis...never mind :roll:

Well 80% of all victims of terrorists are muslims themselves. Not only shiites, but all kinds of muslims.
Kurds, who are the main factor fighting ISIS, are Sunnis as well. The Free Syrian Army are Sunnis and they are fighting ISIS too.
I have plenty of muslim friends and even family . They keep saying that members of the caliphate and ISIS need to be wiped out and be hanged if they get caught. No love for them there.
Here in Germany you had rumbles between kurdish sunnis and salafis/ISIS supporters.
It got to knife fights and all that, so yes, believe that these people are denouncing those radicals.
Remember, those are sunni muslims fighting other sunni muslims.



What we see right now is more of a civil war within islam, then a war of islam against the rest of the world. 90% of the fighting is going on between muslims in all kinds of constellations.

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Unread post by Sentenza » July 21st, 2015, 2:42 am

silentwssj wrote:There are some crucial differences. I don't deny that Christianity has a violent past. There have definitely been periods in church history that we Catholics would like to forget or apologize away. The truth is you can't though. It is what it is. One thing I can say though is the violence that occurred is nowhere to be found in the teachings of Christian scripture or in our faith and morals. Yes there were many Catholic and protestant Christians that did bad things many centuries ago. Non of it can be traced to the teachings of the faith though. I Beleive that in every instance the perpetrators were acting outside the boundaries of what is acceptable Christian behavior. They allowed themselves to get caught up in the politics of the world and ended up giving Christianity a bad name in the process. Islam on the other hand has a much worse history. 1400 years of straight oppression, lopping off heads, sexual slavery, and various abuses of every kind imaginable. The difference is this all comes directly from their faith! I think we need to be real and truthful here. When Christians commit acts of violence they do so by acting contrary to the set principals of their faith. When Muslims commit violent acts of Jihad, it is because that is what their faith teaches. This is not to say that individual Muslims don't ever commit crimes on their own and outside their faith, they do. What we are talking about here is religiously sanctioned violence. In Islam it is explicitly taught as religious doctrine to cut of your enemies heads, take sex slaves, reduce other religious groups to Dhimmi status. The difference is very pronounced. Islam prescribes violence in its teachings. Christianity teaches love. Both groups have individuals that act violently but in the case of Islam they are simply following the teachings of their religion! Never loose sight of that fact when comparing the two groups.
Its difficult for me to take a stance here, because i am not in defense of any religion at all, but there is no single way a holy scripture can be understood.
You advocate a peaceful perception of christianity, but there have always also been violent interpretations, going as far as claiming that Jesus called for holy wars and forced conversations etc.
And vice versa there have been interpretations of islam which were pacifist and spiritual. Of course these views are not mainstream nowadays, but they are there.
What i am trying to say is, that you can read in the scriptures whatever suits you, depending on the way you approach it.
There are muslims who consider the Quran as a historical message which has to be put into context, which means the calls for war and violence are irrelevant today just like the violence of the old testament is for christians.
Then there are those who take everything literally and those are the violent, dangerous ones....Those make up about 5-10% of muslims worldwide. The majority doesnt agree with them, but a lot of them are in a state of denial or look the other way. That is where we can put a huge blame. There are not enough people daring to openly speak up and confront radicals. But they do exist. Check this guy on an egyptian tv show out for example.

But there are a million different approaches in all religions and i am not the one to decide who is right or wrong. All i see is that there are people who denounce violence and there are those who advocate violence on the grounds of religion.
Makes me believe that it depends on wether a person has a violent agenda in the first place and religion really is secondary.

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Re: French Thugs, Rap and Islam...@BG Casper

Unread post by alsheikh971 » July 21st, 2015, 8:25 am

I agree with Sentenza. Majority of Muslims don't support ISIS and are rather ashamed, but like many said they prefer looking the other way, like some family.
Sure these times are rough, but I, personally, don't think we should get rid of all Muslims !
So What !? Oh, yeah, let's force them to wear a quarter moon on their shirt like a blazon , so we can spot them ... But no, I think someone had tried something similar :roll:
We have to be aware, yeah, but we don't need to fall in that paranoid propaganda.
Read History, again and again, it's not only because of religion, it's also because we are too many and resources are coming to an end, so there's gonna be some wars around to reduce this population : ask yourselves why Ebola, Aid, all these new epidemics beside the fact we destroy our home (planet earth).
There are real moves below all this. We're like pawns in a deadly game.
Sometimes it's economic, religious, racial, historic but do not take cases for any of these demons (1% mega rich, or ISIS, or Zionist or fake-communist dictatorships, capitalists, knuckleheads and the likes)
Salaam

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Re: French Thugs, Rap and Islam...@BG Casper

Unread post by Sentenza » July 21st, 2015, 9:21 am

alsheikh971 wrote:I agree with Sentenza. Majority of Muslims don't support ISIS and are rather ashamed, but like many said they prefer looking the other way, like some family.
Sure these times are rough, but I, personally, don't think we should get rid of all Muslims !
So What !? Oh, yeah, let's force them to wear a quarter moon on their shirt like a blazon , so we can spot them ... But no, I think someone had tried something similar :roll:
You mean crescent/croissant, right?

I am not a fan of David Cameron, but i pretty much agree with this. Since you are muslim, what do you think?
“We have to attack directly this Islamist extremist ideology that is poisoning young minds, including young minds in Britain and America, the ‘narrative of extremism’ must be defeated.

“People who say, ‘Well, of course I don’t support terrorism. But a caliphate, is that such a bad idea?’ Or people who say, ‘Do you know what? Christians and Muslims, we can’t really live together. And suicide bombing [is] alright in Israel, even if it’s not alright in America.’

“These are unacceptable views. We’ve got to call them out and confront them. We’ve got to defeat the narrative of extremism, even when it’s not connected to the violence. It’s the narrative that is the jumping-off point for these young people to then go and join this dreadful death cult in Iraq and Syria”.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... g-for-you/

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Re: French Thugs, Rap and Islam...@BG Casper

Unread post by Sentenza » July 21st, 2015, 9:30 am

silentwssj wrote:Here is a good rebuttal! It is very lengthy but very thorough! I will check out Hindutva! I never heard of that before!

Here is some stuff on it.

In India, anti-Christian attacks continue despite Modi's assurances
http://www.ucanews.com/news/in-india-an ... nces/73076
What is Hindutva?

The kind of hatred espoused by these fanatics can be seen when one visits the official site of the Hindutva fanatic group Bajrang Dal at Hinduunity.org. An example of the paranoid, fanatical hate they teach against non-Hindu minorities in India can be seen by this picture of a woman whose image personifies India called Bharot-Mata (Mother India) being attacked by people who personify Islam, Christians, seculars, and “traitor liberals”, it alleges that these people are out to destroy India.
https://hinduextremism.wordpress.com/about/


Needless to say that they are against other religions to. They rely on Hindu scriptures....







https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_terror

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Unread post by silentwssj » July 21st, 2015, 12:19 pm

TheReligionofPeace.com

Muslim Opinion Polls

A "Tiny Minority of Extremists"?

"Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be
unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is their destination."
Quran 9:73

Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence? That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.

In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined.

The following polls convey what Muslims say are their attitudes toward terrorism, al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, the 9/11 attacks, violence in defense of Islam, Sharia, honor killings, and matters concerning assimilation in Western society. The results are all the more astonishing because most of the polls were conducted by organizations with an obvious interest in "discovering" agreeable statistics that downplay any cause for concern.

(These have been compiled over the years, so not all links remain active. We will continue adding to this).



Terrorism

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-ye ... r-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/ ... fanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 51,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/art ... baar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/musli ... df#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/musli ... df#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... amist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/20 ... 0Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll- ... on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/mus ... st-groups/

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-t ... slim-poll/

Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193395

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/con ... ddle-east/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.



al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and Islamic State (ISIS)

Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright.
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/musli ... df#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
http://people-press.org/2011/08/30/musl ... extremism/

al-Jazeera (2006): 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
http://terrorism.about.com/b/2006/09/11 ... -laden.htm

Pew Research: 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
41% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2007
56% of Jordanians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/15/iran-t ... erman.html

Pew Global: 51% of Palestinians support Osama bin Laden
54% of Muslim Nigerians Support Osama bin Laden
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/10/blinded-by-hate/
http://pewglobal.org/files/pdf/268.pdf

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/st ... -in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-goo ... in-canada/

World Public Opinion: Muslim majorities agree with the al-Qaeda goal of Islamic law.
Muslim majorities agree with al-Qaeda goal of keeping Western values out of Islamic countries;
(Egypt: 88%; Indonesia 76%; Pakistan 60%; Morocco 64%)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/20 ... h-2004.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

World Public Opinion: Attitude toward Osama bin Laden:
Egypt: 44% positive, 17% negative, and 25% mixed feelings
Indonesia: 14% positive, 26% negative, 21% mixed feelings (39% did not answer)
Pakistan: 25% positive, 15% negative, 26% mixed feelings (34% did not answer)
Morocco: 27% positive, 21% negative, 26% mixed feelings
Jordanians, Palestinians, Turks and Azerbaijanis. Jordanians combined for: 27% positive, 20 percent negative, and 27 percent mixed feelings. (Palestinians 56% positive, 20% negative, 22 percent mixed feelings).
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 49% of Nigerian Muslims have favorable view of al-Qaeda (34% unfavorable)
23% of Indonesians have favorable view of al-Qaeda (56% unfavorable)
34% of Jordanians have favorable view of al-Qaeda
25% of Indonesians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden (59% had confidence in 2003)
1 in 5 Egyptians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2011): 22% of Indonesians have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (21% unfavorable)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... extremism/

Gallup: 51% of Pakistanis grieve Osama bin Laden (only 11% happy over death)
44% of Pakistanis viewed Osama bin Laden as a martyr (only 28% as an oulaw)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... _alli.html

Zogby International 2011: “Majorities in all six countries said they viewed the United States less favorably following the killing of the Al-Qaeda head [Osama bin Laden] in Pakistan”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 926c28.c11
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/che ... _blog.html

Populus Survey: 18% of British Muslims would be proud or indifferent if a family member joined al-Qaeda.
http://www.populuslimited.com/poll_summ ... es_ITV.htm
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Policy Exchange (2006): 7% Muslims in Britain admire al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images ... es/246.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Informal poll of Saudis in August 2014 shows 92% agree that Islamic State (ISIS) "conforms to the values of Islam and Islamic law."
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2 ... aw-survey/

Hurriyet Daily News / Metropoll (2015): 20% of Turks support the slaughter of Charlie Hebdo staffers and cartoonists.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/polls- ... sCatID=412

al-Jazeera Poll (2015): 81% of respondents support the Islamic State (ISIS).
http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... port-isis/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 33% of Muslim-Americans say al-Qaeda beliefs are Islamic or correct. (49% disagree),
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 38% of Muslim-Americans say Islamic State (ISIS) beliefs are Islamic or correct. (43% disagree),
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

ICM (Mirror) Poll 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mu ... ed-6018357

Clarion Project Study (2015): 11.5% of Arabs support ISIS, or about 42 million.
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/ ... arab-world



9/11 Attacks

al-Arabiya: 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/ ... 66274.html

Gallup: 38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... slims.html
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/temp ... p?CID=1154

Pew Research (2011): Large majorities of Muslims believe in 9/11 conspiracy
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2066/muslim ... ptember-11



Violence in Defense of Islam

40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailwee ... 060728.@03

Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865 (Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)

Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... a-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf

Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

NOP Research: Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population;
Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for religious or political ends acceptable.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/20 ... 0Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Terrorism Research Institute Study: 51% of mosques in the U.S. have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% have no violent texts at all.
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/ind ... urvey/html

Pew Research (2013): 76% of South Asian Muslims and 56% of Egyptians advocate killing anyone who leaves the Islamic religion.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 19% of Muslim Americans believe suicide bombings in defense of Islam are at least partially justified (global average is 28% in countries surveyed).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 39% of Muslims in Malaysia say suicide bombings "justified" in defense of Islam (only 58% say 'never').
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/side ... joshua-woo

Die Presse (2013): 1 in 5 Muslims in Austria believe that anyone wanting to leave Islam should be killed.
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2 ... democracy/

Motivaction Survey (2014): 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers. Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2 ... earch.php/

BBC (2015): Following the Charlie Hebdo attacks, 27% of British Muslims openly support violence against cartoonists. Another 8% would not say, meaning that only 2 of 3 surveyed would say that the killings were not justified.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31293196

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 24% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified against those who "offend Islam" (60% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 29% of Muslim-Americans agree that violence against those who insult Muhammad or the Quran is acceptable (61% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf



Sharia (Islamic Law)

83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers
78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/paki ... te-deaths/

Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... a-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf

ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... in-UK.html

GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/st ... -in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-goo ... in-canada/

World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.”
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
36% of Indonesian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation
65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2013): 72% of Indonesians want Sharia to be law of the land
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/sev ... pew-forum/

Pew Research (2013): 81% of South Asian Muslims and 57% of Egyptians suport amputating limbs for theft.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): According to an interpretation of this study, approximately 45% of Sharia supporters surveyed disagreed with the idea that Islamic law should apply only to Muslims.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Economist (Pew 2013): 74% who favor Islamic law in Egypt say it should apply to non-Muslims as well.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicd ... iadolikeit

WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
http://www.wzb.eu/en/research/migration ... n-comparat
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/ ... amentalism

FPO (2014): 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam ... en-muslim/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 33% of Muslim-Americans say that Sharia should be supreme to the US Constitution (43% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 51% of Muslim-Americans say that Muslims should have the choice of being judged by Sharia courts rather than courts of the United States (39% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf


Honor Killings

Turkish Ministry of Education: 1 in 4 Turks Support Honor Killings
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/03/turkey-war-on-women/
http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_g ... &bolum=100

Civitas: 1 in 3 Muslims in the UK strongly agree that a wife should be forced to obey her husband's bidding
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVE ... wnload.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

BBC Poll: 1 in 10 British Muslims support killing a family member over "dishonor".
http://www.expressandstar.com/blogs/pet ... ur-nation/

Middle East Quarterly: 91 percent of honor killings are committed by Muslims worldwide.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/43207

95% of honor killings in the West are perpetrated by Muslim fathers and brothers or their proxies.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... tful-name/

A survey of Muslim women in Paris suburbs found that three-quarters of them wear their masks out of fear - including fear of violence.
http://www.nugget.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3402230

1 in 5 young British Muslims agree that 'honor' violence is acceptable.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... veals.html

Pew Research (2013): Large majorities of Muslims favor Sharia. Among those who do, stoning women for adultery is favored by 89% in Pakistanis, 85% in Afghanistan, 81% in Egypt, 67% in Jordan, ~50% in 'moderate' Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand, 58% in Iraq, 44% in Tunisia, 29% in Turkey, and 26% in Russia.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): Honor killing the woman for sex outside of marriage is favored over honor killing the man in almost every Islamic country. Over half of Muslims surveyed believed that honor killings over sex were at least partially justified.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

(2013) Jordanian teens support honor killing.
http://www.france24.com/en/20130620-jor ... fied-study



Assimilation

Muslims have highest claimed disability rates in the UK (24% of men, 21% of women)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... a-law.html

2011: 16% of UK prisoners in 2010 are Muslim (Muslims comprise about 3% of the total population)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... 500798601A

Pakistani Muslims in the UK are three times more likely to be unemployed than Hindus. Indian Muslims are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/daniel-gre ... failure/2/

Policy Exchange: 1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVE ... wnload.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

Policy Exchange: 51% of British Muslims believe a woman cannot marry a non-Muslim
Only 51% believe a Muslim woman may marry without a guardian's consent
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

Policy Exchange: Up to 52% of British Muslims believe a Muslim man is entitled to up to four wives
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

Policy Exchange: 61% of British Muslims want homosexuality punished
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech;
Only 3% adopt a "consistently pro-freedom of speech line"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

ICM Poll: 58% of British Muslims believe insulting Islam should result in criminal prosecution
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/20 ... 0Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Pew Global (2006): Only 7% of British Muslims think of themselves as British first (81% say 'Muslim' rather than 'Briton')
http://pewglobal.org/reports/pdf/254.pdf

Policy Exchange (2006): 31% Muslims in Britain identify more with Muslims in other countries than with non-Muslim Brits.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images ... es/246.pdf

Die Welt (2012): 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/ ... rheit.html

Ipsos MORI: Muslims are 3 times as likely as Christians to believe that their religion is the only way.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/r ... /28257.htm

Pew Research (2011): Muslim-Americans four times more likely to say that women should not work outside the home.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... al-values/

Pew Research (2007): 26% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (43% support assimilation)
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/musli ... df#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 20% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (56% support assimilation)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 49% of Muslim-Americans say they are "Muslim first" (26% American first)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 21% of Muslim-Americans say there is a fair to great amount of support for Islamic extremism in their community.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... gn-policy/

ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for political ends acceptable
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/20 ... 0Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Wenzel Strategies (2012): 58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.
http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/1 ... xpression/
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/10 ... lieve.html

Pew Research (2013): "At least half' of Muslims surveyed believed polygamy is morally acceptable.
"Muslims in most countries surveyed say that a wife should always obey her husband." (including 93% in Indonesia and 65% in Turkey).
Only 32% of Muslims in Indonesia say a woman should have the right to divorce her husband (22% in Egypt, 26% in Pakistan and 60% in Russia).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Die Presse (2013): 1 in 3 Muslims in Austria say it is not possible to be a European and a Muslim. 22% oppose democracy
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2 ... democracy/

WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 45% of Muslims in Europe say Jews cannot be trusted.
http://www.wzb.eu/en/research/migration ... n-comparat
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/ ... amentalism

Vancouver Sun (2015): 42% of Canadian Muslims agree that Islam is "irreconcilable" with the West.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193969

Anti-Defamation League (2015): 55% of Muslims in Europe are anti-Semitic - approximately three times higher than Europeans in general.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/06/30/ad ... c-beliefs/#

2015 statistics from Sputnik News: Muslims in Britain comprise 4% of the population but 11% of prisoners. Muslims in the Netherlands comprise 4% of the population but 20% of prisoners. Muslims in France comprise 10% of the population, but 70% of prisoners.
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150625/1023837612.html

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Unread post by Adobo » July 21st, 2015, 3:05 pm

I'm glad Muslims are fighting other Muslims..but the reasoning? They want to spread or enforce their point of view. Again bro, you can put lipstick on a Pig but it's still a pig.

Even in 'liberal' Muslim places like Iran/Dubai rules and regs are still enforced. Media censorship, political kidnappings, watered down versions of Islam is STILL very harsh. No caffeine, alcohol, pork, woman can't drive, vote, burkas, etc etc. so see, NO Muslim ideology is good. I don't care what anyone says.

Wake up bro, just be cuz a few denounce there are still plenty that DONT say anything or even yet, accept. With the exception of a few I don't know any other Muslims that are calling for an end to the caliphate and/or the Daesh. In fact, radical Islam is spreading. So like a disease, you have to kill it off completely. Completely.

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Unread post by Sentenza » July 21st, 2015, 4:36 pm

Adobo wrote:I'm glad Muslims are fighting other Muslims..but the reasoning? They want to spread or enforce their point of view. Again bro, you can put lipstick on a Pig but it's still a pig.

Even in 'liberal' Muslim places like Iran/Dubai rules and regs are still enforced. Media censorship, political kidnappings, watered down versions of Islam is STILL very harsh. No caffeine, alcohol, pork, woman can't drive, vote, burkas, etc etc. so see, NO Muslim ideology is good. I don't care what anyone says.

Wake up bro, just be cuz a few denounce there are still plenty that DONT say anything or even yet, accept. With the exception of a few I don't know any other Muslims that are calling for an end to the caliphate and/or the Daesh. In fact, radical Islam is spreading. So like a disease, you have to kill it off completely. Completely.
I guess we have to agree that we disagree then. I am wide awake. Half of my family are muslims, lots of my friends are muslims, including some of my closest ones. We celebrate christmas, we celebrate Eid al Fitr together. No problems here, no sharia, no stonings, no jihad etc.
Nothing needs to be killed off over here.
It not a minority that rejects Al-Qaida, ISIS or a Caliphate, its the overwhelming majority. Thats why 4 millions syrians flee ISIS. Because they dont want anything to do with them.
They could easily just join ISIS and establish a caliphate. They dont do it. They dont want to.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion, but thats exactly what i see on a everyday basis.

What you mentioned is a certain version of islam. There are plenty of different ones, some diametrically opposed to what you mentioned. There are even muslim scholars who think its ok to drink alcohol. Religion is not set in stone. People are individuals and make from it what suits them best.
Muslims are individuals too and they dont act coordinated like a swarm.
Thats the way it is in all religions. Thats why muslims are fighting over this stuff and christians have been too, before islam even existed. Apart from the fact that most conflicts arent religious, but are about money, oil, territory etc.

On a sidenote almost all of the stuff you mentioned applies to Haredi Jews too. Judaism and Islam are very similar. Judaism had a strong influence on early islam.

I dont like any of the religions, but i dont think that one is better or worse than the other. To me they are all equally made up. They are all equally bad or good, depending on what the individual makes out of it.

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Unread post by Adobo » July 21st, 2015, 10:39 pm

Well hopefully nothing happens in the German land that changes your mind. I do realize that Turks are Asains and not Arab somewhat having a different approach to Islam and that's great. But the minute someone close to you dies at the hands of these radicals, you'll have a different view. It happened to me. And now my eyes are open.

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Unread post by Sentenza » July 22nd, 2015, 12:38 am

Adobo wrote:Well hopefully nothing happens in the German land that changes your mind. I do realize that Turks are Asains and not Arab somewhat having a different approach to Islam and that's great. But the minute someone close to you dies at the hands of these radicals, you'll have a different view. It happened to me. And now my eyes are open.
I can understand that. These radicals need to be wiped out, no question about it.

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