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Thousands have been killed in the conflict that has been taken place in Los Angeles during the last couple of decade. Post dead homies from gangs in the 88 cities within Los Angeles County.
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Unread post by alexalonso » July 4th, 2003, 1:39 am

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Unread post by bkstomp3 » December 30th, 2003, 1:23 pm

1. 2 tall-shot 16 times at 212 party parkin lot by some hoovers cuz he jacked one of their chains....thanks giving weekend...2003

2. swantoe-shot in the back of crenshaw plaza on 59th and crenshaw..2003

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Unread post by SNAP400 » January 10th, 2004, 10:55 pm

that NIGGA GOT SHOT 14 TIMEZ, DAMN DEM HOOVA NIGGAZ ARE VICIOUS

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Unread post by Ho0dStA bOi » March 20th, 2004, 2:32 pm

3. weegy - no comment on how, rumors that aint coo is floatin.

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Unread post by kevmac » May 30th, 2004, 7:16 am

1. Tyrone, 1979
2. Big Scoldie, 1980
3. Big Daddy, 1980
4. Maniac, 1983
5. Lil Muggs aka Lil Muggzy, Nov. 1983
6. Mumbles, aka Wino, 1984
7. Lil Mumbles, 1984
8. Lil Maniac, 1984
9. Big Ken Bone, 1984
10. Big Kidd, 1984
11. Big Maniac, 1985
12. Tiny Ken Bone, 1985
13. Lil Slim, 1986
14. Lil Casper, 1986
15. Lil Weasel aka Big Low Down, Aug 1986
16. Big Mar Rock, 1987
17. Baby Shorty, 1988
18. Baby Crazy Boy, Aug 1988
19. Squally De, 1989
20. Joe Stone, 1989
21. Tiny Droopy, 1989
22. Big Old'Man, Dec 1989
23. Lil Mumpy aka Poochie, 1989
24. Cudoo, 1989
25. Te Mack, 1990
26. Big Fee aka Drake, 1990
27. Chico, 1990
28. Scatterbrains, Jan 1990
29. Lil Ron'Ron, April 1990
30. Big Earl Dogg, aka Lil Looney, aka Ripper, aka Crimm, aka Lil Charleston Blue, aka Legs Earlston, Dec 1990
31. Big Rudy Mack, 1990
32. Pat Wack, 1990
33. O/G Pinky, 1990
34. Baby Weasel aka Lil Low Down, 1991
35. Lil Boobie Clark, 1991
36. Le Macc, 1991
37. Big Crazy Boy, 1991
38. Big Casper, 1991
39. Key Stone, (Keith Cardel Thomas), 1992
40. Kay Dee, 1992
41. Baby Crip Crazy, 1992
42. Lil Peanut, 1993, sat on gun
43. Lil Tadpole, 1993
44. Bosco, 1993
45. Lil Insane, aka Bozzo 1993
46. Lil Ice Man, 1993
47. Big Cyco, 1993
48. Bird, 1993
49. Lil Boxer, 1993, killed by Riverside Police
50. Baby Fee, 1993, accidental self inflicted gun shot wound
51. Lil Peanut, 1995
52. Tiny Crip Crazy, 1994
53. De Dog aka Dexter, 1994
54. Lil Ive Dogg, 1994, accidental self inflicted gun shot wound
55. Lil Wolfe, Feb 1994
56. Teita Rock aka Big Boo Boo, 1994
57. Banker Te, 1994
58. Cyco Mike, 1994
59. Amp aka Lil Al-Dog, 1994
60. Dee Money, 1994 or 1995
61. Lil Box Head, 1994
62. E-Mac, 1994
63. Big K Dogg aka Big CReep, 1994
64. Lil Bird, 1994
65. Baby Kenny Mac, aka Baby K Mac, 1994
66. Baby Ice Man, 1994
67. Tiny Creepy aka Boobie Clark, 1995
68. Bo-De, 1995
69. Big Boscoe, 1995
70. O/G Crip Cal, 1995
71. Lil Mudd, 1995
72. Baby Sniper, 1995
73. Lil Crimm aka Lil Mighty Moe, Dec 1995
74. E-Mac , 1995
75. Baby K-Mac, 1995
76. K-Dog, 1995
77. Lil Squeek, 1995
78. Baby Slim, 1995
79. Box Head, 1996
80. Lil Bird, 1996
81. Tiny Bogart, 1996
82. Ben, 1996
83. Baby Cee, 1997
84. Big Bird, 1997
85. Baby Cee, 1997
86. Tiny Ripper, 1997
87. Baby Gumby, 1997
88. Baby Bear Claw, 1997
89. Tiny Slim, 1997
90. Lil Rock, 1998
91. Tiny Bubba, 1998
92. Lil Bam, 1998
93. Lil Duke, 1998
94. Baby Al Dog, 1998
95. Nicki Bam, aka Lil Bam, 1998
96. Baby F Bone aka J.J., 1998
97. Tiny Bubbs, 1998
98. Baby Ge Bob, 1998
99. Lil Draws, 1999
100. Darnita Loc, 1999
101. Keda Mack, 2000, died of brain cancer
102. Boo Rock, 2000
103. Lil Boo Roc (Lloyd Brewer Jr.), July 25, 2000
104. Tiny wack (Jason Rowden), July 25, 2000
105. Baby Marco (Ernest Dabbs), July 25, 2000
106. B Jay, 2001
107. He Man, 2002
108. Lil Boscoe, 2002
109. Tiny Dev, 2002
110. Ge Be, 2002, overdose
111. J-Mack, 2002
112. Tiny Swantos, 2002
113. Baby Bone aka Big Crip'n Sam, 2003
114. Lil Shyster, 2003
115. O/G Hollister, 198?
116. DC, 198?
117. Dre Bone, 198?
118. Baby Face, 198?
119. O/G Chilly Capone ,198?
120. O/G Corneil Dog, 198?
121. J Blade, 198?
122. John John, 198?
123. K Fish, 198?
124. Pettie Wheat, 198?
125. Pimp, 198?
126. Pie Face, 198?
127. Popeye, 198?
128. Lil Ice Man, 198?
129. Lil J-Dog, 199?
130. Cee Cee, 199?
131. Benzo
132. Blazer D
133. Cow Boy
134. Big Dre
135. E Mack
136. Fat Rat
137. Baby Hoggs
138. Tiny J Stone
139. L F
140. Baby Moody
141. Big Nardo
142. Lil Nardo
143. Baby Nardo
144. Nate Dogg
145. Nelsie
146. Mudd
147. Nate Dog
148. Quarter Pound
149. Lil Ray Cat
150. Rat Loc
151. Reny
152. Slugger
153. Lil Slugger
154. Rico Suave
155. Steve Dogg
156. Sexy Foot

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Unread post by yunvme » July 27th, 2004, 3:14 pm

Dear Alonso--

I would like to take this oppotunity to "THANK YOU" for the wonderful work that you do in Los Angeles County and the "tireless" effort you have invested in our youth. You have constructed a mass amount of information on this website and it is fascinating.

I grew up in the mean streets of South Central Los Angeles in the early nineteen eighties and early ninties. Most of the names that you have posted brought tears to my eyes. I knew at 50 - 60 young men whose names appear on the list.

I attended Washington Preparatory High School and graduated in 1986 from Crenshaw High School, okay, so I almost fell out when I began to read the names of these young men, whom I KNEW and went to school with. I was never in a gang or hung out with gang members, but I had to have some contact with them in class, walking to and home from school.

I feel compelled to write this because, as a youth, growing up in South Central Los Angeles. There was a time that I was paralyzed with FEAR. Fear that sometimes wakes me from my sleep. during my youth, I never believed that I would make out of the 'hood alive. Innocent people were being shot and killed everyday. I grew up when crack cocaine was in full supply and demand. I cannot convey to you the profound impact that gang violence has had on my life and still continues to have on my life. Even though I am in my mid-thirties and have moved on to live a better life. I have flashbacks. Here's why:

1. Marock-was my former classmate in 1985 at a well known junior high school. He was a pleasant young guy, who smiled and joked alot. I was devastated when I learned that he had been murdered. I still remember his bright smile. He was a crack up!

2. Mumbles-was a bit older than myself, but I remember him very well. We attended the same junior high school. I was really young when he passed, so I didn't learn what had happened until after he was buried.

3. Boscoe-was in my homeroom. I never knew that he was dead. I graduated from junior high in 1983, that was the last time that I can remember seeing him. I always wondered what happened to him. But you solved that mystery by posting his name on this website, and the sad part is that he's been dead since 1993! Wow!!! I learned about this eleven years after it happened. I though maybe he got caught up in somethin' and went to pen. Too sad...



4. Keystone-I knew him from way back too! I knew him at his worst and at his best. From all outer appearances, he seemed to be in the process of changing his life. He was trying to do positive things. I learned of his murder in the Los Angels Times.

5. BabyBone-He was a youngster compared to me. I met him in junior high too. He was an underclassmen and a pretty boy. He made himself known to everyone in school, especially the young ladies. Us older girls thought that he was a cute 12 year old kid. You see, that's how old he was back then. I'm talkin' way back to 1985-86'. He disappeared for awhile, and it was rumored that he was in CYA. I never saw or heard of him again, until I read your list. Too, too sad...

6. O.G. Hollis--I haven't been quite right since I read his name yesterday. He was older than myself. If he had lived, he would be about thirty-eight years old. He was fourteen, or fifteen when he was killed. I remember returning to school from summer break and the news of his death was spreading all over campus. I just sat in my woodshop class and cried. I thought that he had gone on to high school, but instead, he went to the grave. I never got the full story of what happened to him. His death definitely stood out in my mind. I believe that's when I realized that people kill people. For the record, his name was Hollis Givens. He was my older, former schoolmate.


7. Lil Weasal--OMG!!! I can't contain my emotions. THIS WAS MY FRIEND! I ran into him at a local food joint the day before he was killed. I was profoundly sad and devastated when my friend called me and told me that "MICHAEL" was killed. This was in the summer of 1986. He had a huge funeral. Lot's and lot's of people. I will always remember him.

8. BabyFee--That crazy Cox boy. He was in three of my junior high school classes.

10.Poochie--To sad to mention. Just too sad...

11. TinyKenbone-I never expeceted this to happen to him. Never! I knew his as William.

You see Alonso, this site is IMPORTANT!!! Otherwise these people would have been forgotten. No matter what set/gang or clique you are from, if you matter. I look at it like this, YOU ARE SOMEONES CHILD! I am not the kind of person who forgets. I remember. It seemed like every week, I was losing one of my school mates. The loss of so many human lives has taught me not to take life for granted, not even for a second. I may know more people on the list but I didn't know everyone's street name. I knew them by their real names. Some of the people that I wondered what happened to are probably on the list. As a grown woman, I still live in fear, I am VERY CAUTIOUS WHERE I GO AND WHO I TALK TO. I make an effort to stay sucka free. Being a woman isn't safe in Los Angeles. There are some gang members who care nothing about killing mothers, sisters, daughters, wives/girlfriends or aunts. These same individuals can kill and actually sleep at night. I know that mentality still lives on today. Again, you are doing a fabulous job and may god bless and keep you.

Posted by YUNVME 7-27-04

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Unread post by mangler » September 16th, 2004, 6:21 pm

Cat Walk Capone : R.i.P : September 2004
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Unread post by yunvme » September 17th, 2004, 8:44 am

What's up Mangler,

I was suprised to receive a response to my post. I grew up on 10th Avenue and 60th Streets. I knew quite a few of the original soldiers from RSC, who are now deceased. I probably know you too. *squinting at the computer monitor to take a closer look* ;-) Read
ng about how some of the homies ended up definitely hurt a females heart in the worst way. I knew Lil Looney too. What happened??? He was one of the true blue from way back in the day. Last I heard, he was in the pen.

I also knew Big U. What happened to him??? I knew "Shoe's", Slow, Wimpy, Let Loose and a few others.

I drove around over there just recetly and didn't recognize a soul. It's definitely changed over there, or either I'm just old now. LOL By the way, Poochie was my dog. I miss old Javari. Holla at me.

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Unread post by mangler » September 17th, 2004, 3:18 pm

Sin Bad R.i.p
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Unread post by bgcasper » September 17th, 2004, 8:39 pm

if the topic doesnt exist ask us to create it ...now i did create the 40's and vng ....

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Unread post by mangler » September 18th, 2004, 12:53 pm

46 Neighborhood Crips

Bj R.i.P (2000) 46 x 60

Hot Dogg


Geer Gang Crips

Pe Dogg aka Prince
Boe Jingles


School Yard Crips
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Lil Sin Bad aka Loose Cannon October 4, 2004
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Unread post by feisty » October 22nd, 2004, 11:36 am

This is truly sad. A friend of mine who banged 60's died in 1997. I believe his set name was Ant Dogg. He name was Anthony. Was killed on Adams and Vineyard by some crack heads...

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Unread post by lb516 » November 16th, 2004, 5:06 pm

king lou S.I.P

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Unread post by batty » November 18th, 2004, 12:02 pm

Thats a long list. I recognize some of the names and knew a couple of the ones that passed away. There are three that stand out.

1. Lil' Slim, I went to high school with his girlfriend and remember hearing about it.

2. Mar Roc, When I was in high school, maybe junior high (my memory is shot, too many "Green Days" these dudes dressed up like gangsters for Halloween and one had a 60 flag with a big 60 in the middle and Mar Roc was the name on it.

3. Slugger, The Slugger I knew from playing baseball back in the day at Baldwin Hills park. He was a little dude but had skills. He was cool. I know for a minute he was from K.O.D and even though we had beef with them he remained cool with us. When I was down in Louisiana, I heard that he got killed.

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Unread post by stamps » June 11th, 2005, 12:16 am

I heard a Sixty was killed in Rialto on 6-10. I don't know if this is related but it is the only homicide in Rialto I found in the San Bernardino Sun.


RIALTO

Man shot and killed in his apartment

A shooting at 1:13 p.m. Wednesday left one man dead, Rialto police said. Joshua Dominic Massingale, 26, of Rialto was shot at least once in the chest inside his apartment in the 400 block of West Winchester Drive.

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Unread post by bkstomp3 » August 25th, 2005, 10:23 pm

S-dome-SIP...shot 3 x's wendsday 24th 2005 on the corner of 10th ave near hyde park....


i also heard one of the boathahouse's aka dontae(may not be spelled right) was killed a couple weeks ago too

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Unread post by bkstomp3 » August 25th, 2005, 10:25 pm

mah bad it wasnt on the corner i was thinkin faster than i can type

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Unread post by alexalonso » July 6th, 2008, 5:48 am

I dont know if Kelly Jamerson was mentioned, didnt know his nick name, but he was was stomped to death at a Death Row party at the El Rey theatre in Los Angeles in 1995. He was from 60s.

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Unread post by xxx » July 7th, 2008, 2:17 pm

alexalonso wrote:I dont know if Kelly Jamerson was mentioned, didnt know his nick name, but he was was stomped to death at a Death Row party at the El Rey theatre in Los Angeles in 1995. He was from 60s.
Big Bo De

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xxx wrote:
alexalonso wrote:I dont know if Kelly Jamerson was mentioned, didnt know his nick name, but he was was stomped to death at a Death Row party at the El Rey theatre in Los Angeles in 1995. He was from 60s.
Big Bo De

ok, he is on the list.

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alexalonso wrote:I dont know if Kelly Jamerson was mentioned, didnt know his nick name, but he was was stomped to death at a Death Row party at the El Rey theatre in Los Angeles in 1995. He was from 60s.
Big Bo D... DJ Quik responded on two songs about the incident...

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Unread post by youngspade » July 28th, 2008, 9:37 pm

Weegie got setup by some blood females....they rumored VNG'z or Brims did it.....But I knew him personally, we called him "peg-leg" because when he was small a light poll fell on his leg and he needed it ampt'd.!!! So he walked around with a fake leg. His brother before he got killed was from NHP, after his brothers death he got put on Rollin 60's.

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Unread post by Common Sense » August 13th, 2008, 9:31 am

RIP Nate Dogg or Nate Dog, did one of these guys go into the service (Navy)??

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SIP

TACO 2007

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Unread post by xxx » January 15th, 2009, 9:51 am

Big Slip Rock RIP ~ Jan 02, 2009
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Rollin 60s RIP shirt up to 2002 or 2003
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Unread post by dwalton » March 2nd, 2011, 7:03 am

alexalonso wrote:Rollin 60s RIP shirt up to 2002 or 2003
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PIC OF O/G BANKER T THAT THEY CAN INBOX ME? I WANT TO PUT A MURAL OF HIM AND A FEW OTHER LEGENDS ON THE TRUNK OF MY LOWRIDER

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Unread post by alexalonso » October 20th, 2012, 10:46 pm

rIP Sandman 9/27/12

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kevmac wrote:1. Tyrone, 1979
2. Big Scoldie, 1980
3. Big Daddy, 1980
4. Maniac, 1983
5. Lil Muggs aka Lil Muggzy, Nov. 1983
6. Mumbles, aka Wino, 1984
7. Lil Mumbles, 1984
8. Lil Maniac, 1984
9. Big Ken Bone, 1984
10. Big Kidd, 1984
11. Big Maniac, 1985
12. Tiny Ken Bone, 1985
13. Lil Slim, 1986
14. Lil Casper, 1986
15. Lil Weasel aka Big Low Down, Aug 1986
16. Big Mar Rock, 1987
17. Baby Shorty, 1988
18. Baby Crazy Boy, Aug 1988
19. Squally De, 1989
20. Joe Stone, 1989
21. Tiny Droopy, 1989
22. Big Old'Man, Dec 1989
23. Lil Mumpy aka Poochie, 1989
24. Cudoo, 1989
25. Te Mack, 1990
26. Big Fee aka Drake, 1990
27. Chico, 1990
28. Scatterbrains, Jan 1990
29. Lil Ron'Ron, April 1990
30. Big Earl Dogg, aka Lil Looney, aka Ripper, aka Crimm, aka Lil Charleston Blue, aka Legs Earlston, Dec 1990
31. Big Rudy Mack, 1990
32. Pat Wack, 1990
33. O/G Pinky, 1990
34. Baby Weasel aka Lil Low Down, 1991
35. Lil Boobie Clark, 1991
36. Le Macc, 1991
37. Big Crazy Boy, 1991
38. Big Casper, 1991
39. Key Stone, (Keith Cardel Thomas), 1992
40. Kay Dee, 1992
41. Baby Crip Crazy, 1992
42. Lil Peanut, 1993, sat on gun
43. Lil Tadpole, 1993
44. Bosco, 1993
45. Lil Insane, aka Bozzo 1993
46. Lil Ice Man, 1993
47. Big Cyco, 1993
48. Bird, 1993
49. Lil Boxer, 1993, killed by Riverside Police
50. Baby Fee, 1993, accidental self inflicted gun shot wound
51. Lil Peanut, 1995
52. Tiny Crip Crazy, 1994
53. De Dog aka Dexter, 1994
54. Lil Ive Dogg, 1994, accidental self inflicted gun shot wound
55. Lil Wolfe, Feb 1994
56. Teita Rock aka Big Boo Boo, 1994
57. Banker Te, 1994
58. Cyco Mike, 1994
59. Amp aka Lil Al-Dog, 1994
60. Dee Money, 1994 or 1995
61. Lil Box Head, 1994
62. E-Mac, 1994
63. Big K Dogg aka Big CReep, 1994
64. Lil Bird, 1994
65. Baby Kenny Mac, aka Baby K Mac, 1994
66. Baby Ice Man, 1994
67. Tiny Creepy aka Boobie Clark, 1995
68. Bo-De, 1995
69. Big Boscoe, 1995
70. O/G Crip Cal, 1995
71. Lil Mudd, 1995
72. Baby Sniper, 1995
73. Lil Crimm aka Lil Mighty Moe, Dec 1995
74. E-Mac , 1995
75. Baby K-Mac, 1995
76. K-Dog, 1995
77. Lil Squeek, 1995
78. Baby Slim, 1995
79. Box Head, 1996
80. Lil Bird, 1996
81. Tiny Bogart, 1996
82. Ben, 1996
83. Baby be, 1997
84. Big Bird, 1997
85. Baby be, 1997
86. Tiny Ripper, 1997
87. Baby Gumby, 1997
88. Baby Bear Claw, 1997
89. Tiny Slim, 1997
90. Lil Rock, 1998
91. Tiny Bubba, 1998
92. Lil Bam, 1998
93. Lil Duke, 1998
94. Baby Al Dog, 1998
95. Nicki Bam, aka Lil Bam, 1998
96. Baby F Bone aka J.J., 1998
97. Tiny Bubbs, 1998
98. Baby Ge Bob, 1998
99. Lil Draws, 1999
100. Darnita Loc, 1999
101. Keda Mack, 2000, died of brain cancer
102. Boo Rock, 2000
103. Lil Boo Roc (Lloyd Brewer Jr.), July 25, 2000
104. Tiny wack (Jason Rowden), July 25, 2000
105. Baby Marco (Ernest Dabbs), July 25, 2000
106. B Jay, 2001
107. He Man, 2002
108. Lil Boscoe, 2002
109. Tiny Dev, 2002
110. Ge Be, 2002, overdose
111. J-Mack, 2002
112. Tiny Swantos, 2002
113. Baby Bone aka Big Crip'n Sam, 2003
114. Lil Shyster, 2003
115. O/G Hollister, 198?
116. DC, 198?
117. Dre Bone, 198?
118. Baby Face, 198?
119. O/G Chilly Capone ,198?
120. O/G Corneil Dog, 198?
121. J Blade, 198?
122. John John, 198?
123. K Fish, 198?
124. Pettie Wheat, 198?
125. Pimp, 198?
126. Pie Face, 198?
127. Popeye, 198?
128. Lil Ice Man, 198?
129. Lil J-Dog, 199?
130. be be, 199?
131. Benzo
132. Blazer D
133. Cow Boy
134. Big Dre
135. E Mack
136. Fat Rat
137. Baby Hoggs
138. Tiny J Stone
139. L F
140. Baby Moody
141. Big Nardo
142. Lil Nardo
143. Baby Nardo
144. Nate Dogg
145. Nelsie
146. Mudd
147. Nate Dog
148. Quarter Pound
149. Lil Ray Cat
150. Rat Loc
151. Reny
152. Slugger
153. Lil Slugger
154. Rico Suave
155. Steve Dogg
156. Sexy Foot

You have Lil Peanut on the list twice, 1993, 1995. Were there 2 people with the same name or is this a typo?

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Re: Rollin 60 N-Hood Crip (westside)

Unread post by alexalonso » December 28th, 2012, 7:36 pm

Did E-Mac die in 1994 or 1995?

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