Mack Thomas (1953 - 1978) O.G. Compton Crip

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Mack Thomas (1953 - 1978) O.G. Compton Crip

Unread postby comptonblockz » August 31st, 2013, 3:39 pm

Rarely any mention of him. Zane talked about how c's and ru's started in Compton but didn't say anything about Mac,neither did the Compton police officer who wrote VICE. Any pics or other info on Mac?

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Unread postby grundy » August 31st, 2013, 7:21 pm

Ther's a picture of him in Allhood magazine Santanna Block issue.

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Unread postby BlueMoon » August 31st, 2013, 7:32 pm

Zane did speak on him......he said Mac Thomas became important later on after he started it at centennial high.....the most info you will get on him is in tookie book.......he got killed way before Raymond Washington......him and Salty.......

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Unread postby bgcasper » August 31st, 2013, 8:42 pm

comptonblockz wrote:Rarely any mention of him. Zane talked about how c's and ru's started in Compton but didn't say anything about Mac,neither did the Compton police officer who wrote VICE. Any pics or other info on Mac?
og mac grandee crip he was livin in farm dogg hood ask any farm dogg they might show u his house at that time grandee was goin from 118 to grandee parc village boothill richmond farm all was grandee than what i know is when mac thomas got locced up thing got super heated all over cpt since opg salty
robbed a military camp and got a gang of m1 rifle flowin in compton those are the real og from cpt crips

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Unread postby bgcasper » August 31st, 2013, 8:46 pm

things people dont get ...aint no smacks no al capone on founder statue for crippin sine west came after the grandees that brang crippin to compton had it from freemont hight school were they banged along raymond washington og crew the compton crips came from freemont its not even an alliance its from inside the crib

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Unread postby alexalonso » September 1st, 2013, 1:16 am

what is Mac Thomas real name?

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Unread postby bgcasper » September 1st, 2013, 6:18 am

[quote="alexalonso"]what is Mac Thomas real name?[/quote] so bad one user know that but he is not posting no more that user name was salty and believe me he is salty brother a guy to interview that can clear a lot of the grandees gossip

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Unread postby grundy » September 2nd, 2013, 10:09 pm

^your delerious. So u know of original crips in paris.

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Unread postby saltyone » December 10th, 2013, 5:59 pm

Mac's names is Mac Thomas - Big Mac

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Unread postby bgcasper » December 11th, 2013, 10:17 pm

[quote="saltyone"]Mac's names is Mac Thomas - Big Mac[/quote]thanks saltyone !!! welcome back

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Re: Mack Thomas (1953 - 1978) O.G. Compton Crip

Unread postby alexalonso » August 28th, 2016, 12:44 pm

his first named was actually spelled Mack, with the "k". Many people assume that since he was a Crip that his name was spelled "Mac" but "Mack" was actually his real birth name.

He was born in Tennessee On December 14, 1953 and died on September 21, 1978. He was only 24 years old.

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Unread postby Gloss » September 4th, 2016, 7:51 am

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Unread postby alexalonso » September 4th, 2016, 6:06 pm

where you find this pick?
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Unread postby bgcasper » November 28th, 2016, 3:02 am

on an og grandee facebook

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Unread postby Gloss » December 2nd, 2016, 10:29 am

alexalonso wrote:where you find this pick?


Big Hauncho's IG.

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Unread postby alexalonso » January 9th, 2017, 12:21 am

bgcasper wrote:on an og grandee facebook


thats a great pic. Wish he was still alive. Imagine the history he would be able to tell. Basically the first Crip from Compton.

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Unread postby bgcasper » January 20th, 2017, 2:17 am

yeaaah ...but u had one grandee in your forum i think saltys bro is reading !!!!

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Unread postby bgcasper » January 20th, 2017, 2:19 am

i agree ...mac thomas would clear all shades on crip history ....regarding who started first

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Mac Thomas with Big Hauncho

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Re: Mack Thomas (1953 - 1978) O.G. Compton Crip

Unread postby attila » October 15th, 2017, 11:31 am

There is little dispute concerning the events which gave rise to the offenses charged. On Sunday, August 18, 1974, at about 9:00 p.m., a number of teenagers and young men were standing at and around a liquor store parking lot at 42nd Place and South Hoover in Los Angeles. Among them were Teddie, Patrick, Andre Halloway, the victim of an assault with a deadly weapon, Joe, Tyrone, Kenny, Terence, Brenice, and the murder victim, Roy Crutchfield.

A dark-colored Chevrolet drove past with several occupants. Some hands came out of the car windows, making the sign of the ‘Crips,’ a gang. A bottle or bottles struck the car. It proceeded down the street, slowing down at a corner, and two occupants got out of the car and came running back to the parking lot. The group on the corner was asked by the visitors about the bottles and, also, if anyone present was a member of the ‘Brims,’ another gang. One of the occupants from the Chevrolet grabbed the jacket of Joe and asked him what was written on his shirt.

Kenny, Brenice and Roy Crutchfield came walking across the street. Reference was made by the two visitors to the ‘Crips.’ Kenny responded that he cared nothing about gangs, and proceeded toward the liquor store. There was laughter.

At this point one of the occupants who had emerged from the Chevrolet pulled a gun from his waistband and fired a shot in the direction of Kenny, who by this time was entering the liquor store. The shot went through the liquor store window. Roy Crutchfield fell to the ground as another shot was fired (or possibly a third). He was fatally wounded, with a bullet in his head.

The Chevrolet automobile had returned, and departed in northerly direction on Hoover; the two former occupants of the automobile ran off in that direction.

The major dispute at the trial centered around the identity of the assailants. Teddie, Patrick and Andre, none of whom had ever seen the two before, identified the minor, Julius Jerome B., as the triggerman, although none of them had been able to identify him by photograph. There were variations in their testimony but it appeared that the taller of the two, who was the one that shot Crutchfield, was nearly six feet tall, a light-skinned Negro youth, wearing a natural hair-do, parted in the middle, a dark jacket and dark pants, probably levis. The shorter youth from the automobile was an older Negro youth with darker skin, short hair, and was wearing khaki pants and dark jacket. One of the jackets worn was a ‘bomber’ jacket, and had a fur collar.

The minor, Julius, offered the defense of alibi. He claimed that he was at home with his family at the time of the incident. He introduced testimony that, along with Calvin D. and Brigetta M. and a young adult, Mack Thomas, he had been in a dark-colored Chevrolet which belonged to his friend, Calvin, on Friday, August 16, 1974, but that on the following Sunday he had not been in the company of these friends.

The prosecution called investigating officer Richard Knott to the witness stand. Some questions were asked concerning his investigation. Upon cross-examination, defense counsel elicited from the witness that he had received word from an unidentified female informant after the shooting that Brenice could provide some information about the identity of the Crutchfield assailants. The court interrupted at this point with the observation that hearsay was being introduced. However, defense counsel continued to question Knott about what had been told to him, and by whom, about the shooting. The prosecutor made a motion to strike the testimony, on the ground that it was not relevant. The trial court overruled the motion. The prosecution pointed out that at this stage of the trial there had been no testimony from Brenice, and that testimony concerning what he might have told Officer Knott was ‘premature.’ Defense counsel was asked to make an offer of proof and indicate relevancy. The reply was: ‘(Defense counsel): I am not going to the statements made by Brenice . . .. I am providing to—there is two objects of the testimony that I am driving at. ( ) One is the relationship of the money that has been brought up of other witnesses and two is my ongoing 405 motion to the relationship to identification and preliminary foundation that they were independent. ( ) THE COURT: Well, you go ahead.’

Later, during cross-examination by defense counsel, Knott narrated how Brenice and another person had been encountered by him on the street, and had advised him to investigate a certain Mack Thomas (known as ‘Mad Dog’) and his brother Lee, as persons involved in the shooting. Without objection, the witness told how Brenice later identified Mack Thomas, by photograph, as one of the assailants.

Defense counsel continued to cross-examine, eliciting from the police officer, Knott, that Mack Thomas had been arrested in October of 1974, and had given Knott the information which had led to the arrest of the minor, Julius Jerome B. ‘(Defense counsel): Did Mack Thomas give you information that led you to (minor)? ( ) (Witness Knott): That is correct.’

Later in the trial, defense counsel continued to pursue the matter of Mack Thomas with Knott's partner in the investigation, Officer Richard Ortiz. Ortiz had been present on occasions when Mack Thomas was being interrogated. ‘(Defense counsel): What did Mack Thomas tell you about this incident? ( ) (Witness Ortiz): He stated that he was there in a car when this shooting took place along with Bregetta M . . ., Calvin D . . . and another individual and he stated that it was Calvin's car that they were in. ( ) THE COURT: Another individual? Did he name the other individual? ( ) THE WITNESS: No, he did not. He gave us some information about this third individual. He told us that he went to school in Compton and he lived on the street as Bregetta, but he did not know the address. ( ) (Defense counsel): Did he know the name of the other individuals? ( ) (The witness): No, he did not . I believe he mentioned the name, ‘Jay,’ but that was all. He did not know the particular name. . . . ( ) (Defense counsel): What did he tell you? ( ) (The witness): He stated that the other guy in the car did the shooting, that he merely was an observer. He did not participate in the shooting himself.' (Emphasis added.)

Later, Ortiz was asked to divulge the contents of a subsequent interview he had with Mack Thomas. ‘(Defense counsel): Did you ask him whether he saw Jay do the shooting? ( ) (The witness): To the best of my recollection, I believe he stated that he had seen what appeared to be gun flashes coming from the hand of this individual he referred to as Jay.’ (Emphasis added.)

On redirect examination by the prosecutor, without objection from defense counsel, Ortiz was allowed to relate how Mack Thomas had identified ‘Jay’ as the monor, Julius Jerome B., by selecting a photograph of him contained in the Compton High School Yearbook for 1973.

At the time of the examination of Officers Knott and Ortiz by defense counsel, Mack Thomas had not been called as a witness in the case. Defense counsel made a motion to strike the testimony of Ortiz relating the statements made by Mack Thomas on the ground that the officer's testimony about what Thomas had told him was inadmissible because Mack Thomas was ‘unavailable’ as a witness. The motion was denied by the court as follows: ‘THE COURT: All I know is, you asked the questions. If there is no objection to them, they come in. That's all.’

Mack Thomas was then called as a witness and appeared with his counsel, a deputy public defender. He refused to answer questions posed by defense counsel on the grounds that the answers thereto might incriminate him.

Later, Officer Knott reappeared on the witness stand. He was asked by the prosecutor if Mack Thomas had identified ‘another individual’ at the shooting scene. Defense counsel objected; ‘(Defense counsel): I believe there's a possibility of an Aranda problem here. We do have a co-defendant. We have statements of a co-defendant. ( ) THE COURT: Well, how could there be an Aranda problem when this entire matter was already thoroughly discussed without present objection. As a matter of fact, not without objection, but was brought to the court's attention by the minor's attorney. You can't pick and choose, can you?’

Counsel went on to explain that he had been pursuing the previous line of questioning the officers about statements made by Mack Thomas because of the issue of ‘probable cause. The trial court replied that no limitation had been imposed upon the evidence which had been elicited. After some colloquy between court and counsel, the court remarked: ‘It seems obvious, if it were brought in for the truth of the statement, that it would probably have been one of the Most unwisest defense choices to ever make . . ..’ (Emphasis added.)

The trial court explained that he tried to let lawyers do what they felt was strategically best for their clients, without sitting in judgment. After considerable additional argument by the defense and the prosecution, the trial court ruled that the prosecution could now explore anew with Officer Knott information he assertedly had received from Mack Thomas. Knott proceeded, through the words of Thomas, to place the minor, Julius Jerome B., unequivocally at the scene of the killing as the triggerman.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1829486.html

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Re: Mack Thomas (1953 - 1978) O.G. Compton Crip

Unread postby bgcasper » October 17th, 2017, 9:13 pm

yo attilla thanks nice doc very rare ...notice seems like the 43hoover wasnt existing yet and that area was brims


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