Bill Cosby Hatin On 2Pac

[myDick in your mouth]

"But Huey wasn't smokin' dope while giving speeches. Martin was pinchin' the asses of women walkin' past in the choir. A lot of Tupac shit is on tape for the world to see. "


and 2pac wasnt on some ignorant shit when he made songs like changes either.

[creativemind]

^^^ I have to agree with you there. All valid questions that make you question alot. Goes back to actions speaking louder than words.

I'm not sayin' Pac was a bad brother at all. I was feelin' his music just like the next person. The thing about it was, he was still evolving, but unfortunately he was evolving in the public eye, which left him open for scrutiny. You could see he had a good heart, but until he was capable of being himself (whoever that was) regardless of who he was hanging out with Suge Knight or Rosa Parks, he was gon' leave his intentions open for speculation.

The difference between Pac and some of these other leaders is Pac was an artist first and foremost. He knew that his money making lied in his abililty to entertain people. He was an admitted walking contradiction. He knew he'd say one thing and do another. It's how he made his money.

He was a work in progress, like so many artists. I don't think you can take anything he said too literal regardless of his message. He had the abililty and the resources to reach millions of people, but it was on an entertainment level. He never had the chance to grow old and focus his energy on something positive, and even if he had the chance, would he have taken it? Who knows. But I do understand what Bill Cosby is saying, let's not put too much faith into these entertainers and follow their orders when they aren't following themselves. You also have to understand that Bill was/is an entertainer himself, and he too is far from perfect. Then again sometimes it's just listening to the message itself and not necessarily scrutinizing the messanger in which case I think you can listen to both Bill Cosby and Tupac.

I totally agree with that. His mom made sure that he was aware of the struggle. Evidently he was well read, and had a lot more going on for himself than the average guy in the street. But Pac reminds me of those kids in school who get teased because they get good grades, so the purposely fuck up so they fit in more. He woulda look like a fool talkin' peace, while Suge was busy tryin' to instigate an East Coast-West Coast war. So he felt like in order to be considered a rider, he had to be on the front like kickin' up dust and being the first to start the ruckus. That shit cost him his life.

Who knows how he would have evolved if he didn't feel that peer pressure. We all go through that wild streak, but most of us have a chance to grow out of it. Unfortunately he didn't.

[creativemind]

^ Well his message suck.

I'm waiting for you to give an example of how hustlin' benefits black people as a whole. That's what this started off bring about, right?

I'm not talking about people who made money. We all know dudes who made money in the streets. Show me somebody who made money, made a difference in the community, stayed out of jail, and the Feds ain't on their ass.

Nobody made a difference in their community cause no black brotha will do that off top like that,but i don't know nobody who did that also pac did represent our race very well.

I think that Tupac did shit to impress whoever he was around at the time. I saw him do an interview with Ed Gordon and he sound like one of the most intelligent brothers you ever want to see. Later, you catch him with Suge and he talking 'about "smashin' on niggas" he don't even know just because he tryin' to impress Suge.

Somebody like that is unstable, 'cause they're to busy tryin' to fit in that they can't be themselves. Who knows who the real Tupac was. He sure as hell was quotin' Shakespeare and reading poetry when he was around Suge, that's when he went into his gangsta mode. But when he was around respectable Black journalists, he wanted to be the young revolutionary who wanted to uplift the people. Ain't nobody got time to try to figure that shit out. Do you wanna be Dr. Jekyl or Mr. Hide today?

Just be real. Pac was either confused, phony or both. The shit might not have been his fault.

what about huey smokin dope, and martin being adulterous even though he was a christian. real people are conflicted...some faults dont take away from a person's primary wants, and goals.

I hear you. I'm not saying a person can't have faults. We ALL have things that qualify is us imperfect. But Huey wasn't smokin' dope while giving speeches. Martin was pinchin' the asses of women walkin' past in the choir. A lot of Tupac shit is on tape for the world to see.

How can you talk about respectin' ladies when you claimin' you bang Biggie wife? How can you speak on peace, and say you gon' fu-- 'So and So' up next time you see 'em? How you talk about leadin' people, and you hangin' out the window spitting at reporters?

Perception is reality in some instances. That can't work if you're puttin' mixed messages out.

bangin someones wife dont mean your disrespecting the lady.

Bangin' somebody's wife might get you killed for one. But aside from that, they woman might be with' it, but I can guarantee you, she don't want you on MTV tellin' the world.

[ManifestTruth]

Bangin' somebody's wife might get you killed for one. But aside from that, they woman might be with' it, but I can guarantee you, she don't want you on MTV tellin' the world.

haha..word.

[myDick in your mouth]

Pac was G'd up. and he also put out positivity. he had the respect of all different types of people from 50 yr old white women to niggaz in the pen and on the street. More than Bill Cosby will ever have. Only a certain group of ppl give a fuck bout what bill cosby has to say. Thats why hes hatin.

[myDick in your mouth]

but bill cosbys overall message is definetly on a positive note and something that would benefit black people

[creativemind]

Pac was G'd up. and he also put out positivity. he had the respect of all different types of people from 50 yr old white women to niggaz in the pen and on the street. More than Bill Cosby will ever have. Only a certain group of ppl give a fu-- bout what bill cosby has to say. Thats why hes hatin.

Now lets not get carried away. Granted people, especially younger one, knew who Pac was. He was in the limelight. But I don't think people looked at him as no kind of leader or nothing. They just liked his music. He shared his ideas in interviews, but I don't even think he put himselk out there as a leader.

[EmperorPenguin]

^^^ I have to agree with you there. All valid questions that make you question alot. Goes back to actions speaking louder than words.

I'm not sayin' Pac was a bad brother at all. I was feelin' his music just like the next person. The thing about it was, he was still evolving, but unfortunately he was evolving in the public eye, which left him open for scrutiny. You could see he had a good heart, but until he was capable of being himself (whoever that was) regardless of who he was hanging out with Suge Knight or Rosa Parks, he was gon' leave his intentions open for speculation.

The difference between Pac and some of these other leaders is Pac was an artist first and foremost. He knew that his money making lied in his abililty to entertain people. He was an admitted walking contradiction. He knew he'd say one thing and do another. It's how he made his money.

He was a work in progress, like so many artists. I don't think you can take anything he said too literal regardless of his message. He had the abililty and the resources to reach millions of people, but it was on an entertainment level. He never had the chance to grow old and focus his energy on something positive, and even if he had the chance, would he have taken it? Who knows. But I do understand what Bill Cosby is saying, let's not put too much faith into these entertainers and follow their orders when they aren't following themselves. You also have to understand that Bill was/is an entertainer himself, and he too is far from perfect. Then again sometimes it's just listening to the message itself and not necessarily scrutinizing the messanger in which case I think you can listen to both Bill Cosby and Tupac.

I totally agree with that. His mom made sure that he was aware of the struggle. Evidently he was well read, and had a lot more going on for himself than the average guy in the street. But Pac reminds me of those kids in school who get teased because they get good grades, so the purposely fu-- up so they fit in more. He woulda look like a fool talkin' peace, while Suge was busy tryin' to instigate an East Coast-West Coast war. So he felt like in order to be considered a rider, he had to be on the front like kickin' up dust and being the first to start the ruckus. That shit cost him his life.

Who knows how he would have evolved if he didn't feel that peer pressure. We all go through that wild streak, but most of us have a chance to grow out of it. Unfortunately he didn't.

That's what I find so unforunate. He was obviously well educated. He knew what he was saying when he said it. There's numerous stories of how he acted and the things he said outside of Deathrow Records and that East/West thing. He seemed eager to teach the younger generation and try to set things right, but he also knew who signed his paycheck and how to make money and he obviously choose to make money over educating but through his mother a lot of those messages are getting out now. Better late then never I guess.

[myDick in your mouth]

Pac was G'd up. and he also put out positivity. he had the respect of all different types of people from 50 yr old white women to niggaz in the pen and on the street. More than Bill Cosby will ever have. Only a certain group of ppl give a fu-- bout what bill cosby has to say. Thats why hes hatin.

Now lets not get carried away. Granted people, especially younger one, knew who Pac was. He was in the limelight. But I don't think people looked at him as no kind of leader or nothing. They just liked his music. He shared his ideas in interviews, but I don't even think he put himselk out there as a leader.

As far as the entertainment industry goes, pac definetly carried the weight as a leader harder than any other black person.

[creativemind]

Pac was G'd up. and he also put out positivity. he had the respect of all different types of people from 50 yr old white women to niggaz in the pen and on the street. More than Bill Cosby will ever have. Only a certain group of ppl give a fu-- bout what bill cosby has to say. Thats why hes hatin.

Now lets not get carried away. Granted people, especially younger one, knew who Pac was. He was in the limelight. But I don't think people looked at him as no kind of leader or nothing. They just liked his music. He shared his ideas in interviews, but I don't even think he put himselk out there as a leader.

As far as the entertainment industry goes, pac definetly carried the weight as a leader harder than any other black person.

Again, Pac was a rapper. He was JUST getting into movies. Cosby been around since the 60's. Comedy, movies, TV, producing, directing.

Pac was in the public eye at the time of his death more just because it was his time. But trust me, in the entertainment industry as a whole, you can even speak Tupac's name in the same breath as Bill Cosby. Cosby make more in his sleep than Tupac made his entire career. He is what you call a Media mogul. It wasn't just about his career, he made OTHER PEOPLE'S careers possible. That's power and influence.

[myDick in your mouth]

Pac was G'd up. and he also put out positivity. he had the respect of all different types of people from 50 yr old white women to niggaz in the pen and on the street. More than Bill Cosby will ever have. Only a certain group of ppl give a fu-- bout what bill cosby has to say. Thats why hes hatin.

Now lets not get carried away. Granted people, especially younger one, knew who Pac was. He was in the limelight. But I don't think people looked at him as no kind of leader or nothing. They just liked his music. He shared his ideas in interviews, but I don't even think he put himselk out there as a leader.

As far as the entertainment industry goes, pac definetly carried the weight as a leader harder than any other black person.

Again, Pac was a rapper. He was JUST getting into movies. Cosby been around since the 60's. Comedy, movies, TV, producing, directing.

Pac was in the public eye at the time of his death more just because it was his time. But trust me, in the entertainment industry as a whole, you can even speak Tupac's name in the same breath as Bill Cosby. Cosby make more in his sleep than Tupac made his entire career. He is what you call a Media mogul. It wasn't just about his career, he made OTHER PEOPLE'S careers possible. That's power and influence.

We talkin bout the struggles of the black community. Im talkin bout the streets. Anyone can fuckin sit there and talk about this dangerous cycle that we live in, the harm we cause our own, the lack of opportunity out there for the lower class, and have regular black ppl like yea thats wasup niggaz speakin truth. no shit. But to be able to reach the niggaz on the streets muhfuckers sellin drugs robbin ppl killin each other n shit, gain their respect, show a better route, thats sayin something.

[creativemind]

Pac was G'd up. and he also put out positivity. he had the respect of all different types of people from 50 yr old white women to niggaz in the pen and on the street. More than Bill Cosby will ever have. Only a certain group of ppl give a fu-- bout what bill cosby has to say. Thats why hes hatin.

Now lets not get carried away. Granted people, especially younger one, knew who Pac was. He was in the limelight. But I don't think people looked at him as no kind of leader or nothing. They just liked his music. He shared his ideas in interviews, but I don't even think he put himselk out there as a leader.

As far as the entertainment industry goes, pac definetly carried the weight as a leader harder than any other black person.

Again, Pac was a rapper. He was JUST getting into movies. Cosby been around since the 60's. Comedy, movies, TV, producing, directing.

Pac was in the public eye at the time of his death more just because it was his time. But trust me, in the entertainment industry as a whole, you can even speak Tupac's name in the same breath as Bill Cosby. Cosby make more in his sleep than Tupac made his entire career. He is what you call a Media mogul. It wasn't just about his career, he made OTHER PEOPLE'S careers possible. That's power and influence.

We talkin bout the struggles of the black community. Im talkin bout the streets. Anyone can fuckin sit there and talk about this dangerous cycle that we live in, the harm we cause our own, the lack of opportunity out there for the lower class, and have regular black ppl like yea thats wasup niggaz speakin truth. no shit. But to be able to reach the niggaz on the streets muhfuckers sellin drugs robbin ppl killin each other n shit, gain their respect, show a better route, thats sayin something.

Who do you know what changed on account of what Tupac was sayin'???

[myDick in your mouth]

what changed on the account of what bill cosby is saying? Pac made a much more valiant effort.

[StillNoScript]

but bill cosbys overall message is definetly on a positive note and something that would benefit black people

Did it inspire your screen name?

[creativemind]

but bill cosbys overall message is definetly on a positive note and something that would benefit black people

Did it inspire your screen name?

You know you ain't right. Young brutha got a right to have whatever screenname he want.

[myDick in your mouth]

but bill cosbys overall message is definetly on a positive note and something that would benefit black people

Did it inspire your screen name?

Ppl like you inspire my screename. Lets stay on topic.

[myDick in your mouth]

^ Sorry I think i read something wrong. But nah my sn idunno thats jus how i roll.

[creativemind]

what changed on the account of what bill cosby is saying? Pac made a much more valiant effort.

Alright, we established that ain't nobody perfect. Least of all Pac and Cosby. But we're talking about people Pac was supposed to be sending a message of hope to. If he wants to send a message like that, the best way to do that is to be an example of his own words, to show that what he's preachin' can be accomplished. He can't do that if he still doin' the same shit as other people.

If we was talking about keeping a relationship together, maybe Pac would be the one giving the good advice, and Cosby would be the hypocrite if he spoke up, but that ain't what we're talking about here.

[Qdawg]

you cant save everybody

[myDick in your mouth]

Bill Cosby grew up during the era of segregation. And what was he doin. He was in the navy servin the white man for four years doin physical therapy for injured soldiers. Then he became a comedian Pac shot 2 cops that was harassing a black man that he didnt even know. So tell me, whos more down for their race? Pac was a soldier, we can both agree he wasnt a great leader. Bill Cosby, who is now 70 years old, with nothing left to do, is a preacher, which isnt hard to do.

[creativemind]

Bill Cosby grew up during the era of segregation. And what was he doin. He was in the navy servin the white man for four years doin physical therapy for injured soldiers. Then he became a comedian Pac shot 2 cops that was harassing a black man that he didnt even know. So tell me, whos more down for their race? Pac was a soldier, we can both agree he wasnt a great leader. Bill Cosby, who is now 70 years old, with nothing left to do, is a preacher, which isnt hard to do.

Everybody is different. Cosby was in the Army before he was making any money. He was just like any other dude trying to make it at that point. But when he made money, he invested it in Black people. Do you know how many black people he put through college?

In Pac's case, particularly when he shot at the the cops, was he doing that because they was white or because he was just down to tear shit up if he was in that kinda mood??? If he ain't spend so much time doin't shit to Black folks too, I might agree with you. But he started shit with the Hughes Brothers, the other case he had in Michigan, the shit with Biggie, and who know how many other things where he was just wildin' out on whoever.

So I don't take it that he shot them cops as him standing up for brothers, it was just a chance to fuck with somebody. He would have shot if the cops was black too.

[Qdawg]

[quote="myDick in your mouth"]Bill Cosby grew up during the era of segregation. And what was he doin. He was in the navy servin the white man for four years doin physical therapy for injured soldiers. Then he became a comedian Pac shot 2 cops that was harassing a black man that he didnt even know. So tell me, whos more down for their race? Pac was a soldier, we can both agree he wasnt a great leader. Bill Cosby, who is now 70 years old, with nothing left to do, is a preacher, which isnt hard to do.[/quote]

tell bill to kick out some of the millions he was getting from viacom back in the days to start worldwide programs

[myDick in your mouth]

Bill Cosby grew up during the era of segregation. And what was he doin. He was in the navy servin the white man for four years doin physical therapy for injured soldiers. Then he became a comedian Pac shot 2 cops that was harassing a black man that he didnt even know. So tell me, whos more down for their race? Pac was a soldier, we can both agree he wasnt a great leader. Bill Cosby, who is now 70 years old, with nothing left to do, is a preacher, which isnt hard to do.

Everybody is different. Cosby was in the Army before he was making any money. He was just like any other dude trying to make it at that point. But when he made money, he invested it in Black people. Do you know how many black people he put through college?

In Pac's case, particularly when he shot at the the cops, was he doing that because they was white or because he was just down to tear shit up if he was in that kinda mood??? If he ain't spend so much time doin't shit to Black folks too, I might agree with you. But he started shit with the Hughes Brothers, the other case he had in Michigan, the shit with Biggie, and who know how many other things where he was just wildin' out on whoever.

So I don't take it that he shot them cops as him standing up for brothers, it was just a chance to fu-- with somebody. He would have shot if the cops was black too.

Of course he woulda shot those cops if they were black. it aint bout black and white he stood up for his brother that was gettin harrassed by some crooked cops. It is what it is and theres nothing u can say bout pac that can discredit what he did. You dont kno bout the situation with biggie pac claimed biggie knew bout the shooting and didnt tell him. Thats a pretty big deal thats a legitimate beef. The Hughes brother that was kinda stupid. Bill Cosby doin what hes doin thats good for him, all Im saying is its wrong to throw dirt on a mans name for a mistake he did for just a brief part of his childhood growing up in the crack era, cuz its not like that was what pac was about, and specially if hes dead u bringin out the worse part of a person puttin him out like that, creating that image of him, when ppl who when they think of Pac they dont even think of someone thats sellin crack. Thats not right. Thats my point. If he woulda said shit bout his violent lyrics or behavior, then that woulda been str8.

And anyways what book is he talkin bout i never heard of that shit didnt find it on google I thought on ressurection they were sayin pac barely even sold drugs he tried it for a bit and it wasnt for him. nigga bought his mom a house? is bill cosby goin senile or some shit?

[StillNoScript]

but bill cosbys overall message is definetly on a positive note and something that would benefit black people

Did it inspire your screen name?

Ppl like you inspire my screename. Lets stay on topic.

Thank you. Glad to know that I can influence someone to name themselves after the act of oral sex.

And, indeed, I'll stay on topic.

I think Bill Cosby's problem is that he thinks too highly of Whites.

It's not that he hates Blacks, he just expects Blacks to do what White people do. What he doesn't understand, is that Blacks ARE doing what White people do.

In the Depression, many Whites were resorting to a life of crime to feed their families, due to their being no work available. Eventually, then President Roosevelt enacted the New Deal, which is essentially a handout. This handout, which pretty much enacted welfare as we know it and gave power to labor unions, created a whole new society for the millions of poor whites living in depravity during the Depression. These same Whites have eventually spawned into the very Suburban Whites we see in society today.

So, why Bill Cosby expects Blacks to assimilate into the Middle Class by any other means is beyond me, especially considering that this country is only 40 years young in regards to even having civil rights for all Blacks, not to mention still too many policies that result in systematic racism, despite their being proclaimed to have no such intentions.

Education and good parenting are mandatory. Everybody gets that. But that didn't stop Whites during the depression from lowering themselves into the muck of street crime in order to make ends meet. If there are no jobs that can suffice a cost of living, and, for not only Black America but for much of White America, there aren't (and google 'Crystal Meth' to see just how these Whites are conducting themselves), survival becomes paramount and the behavior of people in such an environment will only match the conditions.

And, then, there's Bill's insulting of culturally Black American first names, like LaKeysha; As if naming all Black girls 'Jennifer', or...perhaps, 'Denise', 'Sandra', 'Vanessa' or 'Rudy', is going to increase their chances of getting a job when even jobs that once went to whites are being exported to India. Now, this is what Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy were talking about when they told Cosby to, "have a Coke and a smile, and shut the f'k up!".

[Bearfan]

The Selig Center estimates that African Americans have $852.8 Billion in purchasing power, as a country African Americans would be the 18th wealthiest nation in the world. By 2010 it'll be up to $981 Billion. If the Oprah's and the Cosby's of America could set up life/job training centers that could teach many of us about "Guns" such as Real Estate, Stocks, Bonds, Business and other things many of us don't know anything about. We're doing fine imo considering every Great leader we ever looked up to was assassinated, 40 years of full rights, and the CIA funding wars by using unemployed black males to sell poison in the hood. We haven't met our full potential yet. I watched a gang documentary, and this Blood was talking about how they speak Swahili in California prison systems, maybe we should replace ebonics with that.

[creativemind]

The Selig Center estimates that African Americans have $852.8 Billion in purchasing power, as a country African Americans would be the 18th wealthiest nation in the world. By 2010 it'll be up to $981 Billion. If the Oprah's and the Cosby's of America could set up life/job training centers that could teach many of us about "Guns" such as Real Estate, Stocks, Bonds, Business and other things many of us don't know anything about. We're doing fine imo considering every Great leader we ever looked up to was assassinated, 40 years of full rights, and the CIA funding wars by using unemployed black males to sell poison in the hood. We haven't met our full potential yet. I watched a gang documentary, and this Blood was talking about how they speak Swahili in California prison systems, maybe we should replace ebonics with that.

That's all well and good, but look at what they spend the money on. White people take their money and use it to make more money. By investing in stocks, bonds, real estate, or just plain SAVING, their money doesn't just go back out the window.

Our people on the other hand. Women got the get their hair done, their nails done, got to have the flyest gear, shoes, pocketbooks, glasses... They do all that shit while riding the fuckin' bus!!! Then, they'll go into debt to buy a car that they really can't afford.

Brothers got to have 50 pairs of sneakers, matching hat, Timbs, jeans. The only people I've ever seen who will pay $200 for a warm up suit that 3X too big, and let that shit sag on the ground 'til its holes in the back of the legs!!! Do that shit even remotely sound like it make sense.

We'll have the flyest cell phones, two-ways, and any damn thing else, while living in the projects, instead of trying to buy some fuckin' property somewhere.

Then we get mad when we see Asians come in our community, make money from us, and then go back to the suburban homes that they saved for. Do you know how to get Asians out the community? Go to the grocery store, by some healthy food, cook it, and sit the fuck down and eat as a family. All that "6 Wings, Fries with Hot Sauce and a Grape Soda" shit is what feeds THEIR damn families.

There is a WHOLE industry on making money from Black Folks. There are people getting seriously PAID while we make the same mistakes we been making for years.

[EmperorPenguin]

The Selig Center estimates that African Americans have $852.8 Billion in purchasing power, as a country African Americans would be the 18th wealthiest nation in the world. By 2010 it'll be up to $981 Billion. If the Oprah's and the Cosby's of America could set up life/job training centers that could teach many of us about "Guns" such as Real Estate, Stocks, Bonds, Business and other things many of us don't know anything about. We're doing fine imo considering every Great leader we ever looked up to was assassinated, 40 years of full rights, and the CIA funding wars by using unemployed black males to sell poison in the hood. We haven't met our full potential yet. I watched a gang documentary, and this Blood was talking about how they speak Swahili in California prison systems, maybe we should replace ebonics with that.

That's all well and good, but look at what they spend the money on. White people take their money and use it to make more money. By investing in stocks, bonds, real estate, or just plain SAVING, their money doesn't just go back out the window.

Our people on the other hand. Women got the get their hair done, their nails done, got to have the flyest gear, shoes, pocketbooks, glasses... They do all that shit while riding the fuckin' bus!!! Then, they'll go into debt to buy a car that they really can't afford.

Brothers got to have 50 pairs of sneakers, matching hat, Timbs, jeans. The only people I've ever seen who will pay $200 for a warm up suit that 3X too big, and let that shit sag on the ground 'til its holes in the back of the legs!!! Do that shit even remotely sound like it make sense.

We'll have the flyest cell phones, two-ways, and any damn thing else, while living in the projects, instead of trying to buy some fuckin' property somewhere.

Then we get mad when we see Asians come in our community, make money from us, and then go back to the suburban homes that they saved for. Do you know how to get Asians out the community? Go to the grocery store, by some healthy food, cook it, and sit the fu-- down and eat as a family. All that "6 Wings, Fries with Hot Sauce and a Grape Soda" shit is what feeds THEIR damn families.

There is a WHOLE industry on making money from Black Folks. There are people getting seriously PAID while we make the same mistakes we been making for years.

Everyone has to start somewhere. As long as you find a job that pays you, you can qualify for some form of credit, and from their you just keep out of debt and before long you'll have more credit card companies throwing cards at you. As long as you build healthy credit, you can buy property and proper investments. Credit companies don't care about your skin colour, and banks only care about your credit.

I know what you mean by throwing money into these material things. I think we all like material things, but I tend to see a lot of the younger generation throwing money at these things creative is talking about. I can't say much cause I know when I was making good money and I was 18 I bought all sorts of crazy shit.

I think both Cosby and Pac had positive messages, and I don't think Cosby was specifically targetting Pac and trying to say Pac as a person was evil, I think he was just trying to say that far too many people look up to that thug image of Pac and think that that's the way to live life and make money. I don't think that's necessarily Pac's fault, but he did make an impression on kids and I believe that had he lived long enough he would have put out a much more positive message in his older years.

[creativemind]

The Selig Center estimates that African Americans have $852.8 Billion in purchasing power, as a country African Americans would be the 18th wealthiest nation in the world. By 2010 it'll be up to $981 Billion. If the Oprah's and the Cosby's of America could set up life/job training centers that could teach many of us about "Guns" such as Real Estate, Stocks, Bonds, Business and other things many of us don't know anything about. We're doing fine imo considering every Great leader we ever looked up to was assassinated, 40 years of full rights, and the CIA funding wars by using unemployed black males to sell poison in the hood. We haven't met our full potential yet. I watched a gang documentary, and this Blood was talking about how they speak Swahili in California prison systems, maybe we should replace ebonics with that.

That's all well and good, but look at what they spend the money on. White people take their money and use it to make more money. By investing in stocks, bonds, real estate, or just plain SAVING, their money doesn't just go back out the window.

Our people on the other hand. Women got the get their hair done, their nails done, got to have the flyest gear, shoes, pocketbooks, glasses... They do all that shit while riding the fuckin' bus!!! Then, they'll go into debt to buy a car that they really can't afford.

Brothers got to have 50 pairs of sneakers, matching hat, Timbs, jeans. The only people I've ever seen who will pay $200 for a warm up suit that 3X too big, and let that shit sag on the ground 'til its holes in the back of the legs!!! Do that shit even remotely sound like it make sense.

We'll have the flyest cell phones, two-ways, and any damn thing else, while living in the projects, instead of trying to buy some fuckin' property somewhere.

Then we get mad when we see Asians come in our community, make money from us, and then go back to the suburban homes that they saved for. Do you know how to get Asians out the community? Go to the grocery store, by some healthy food, cook it, and sit the fu-- down and eat as a family. All that "6 Wings, Fries with Hot Sauce and a Grape Soda" shit is what feeds THEIR damn families.

There is a WHOLE industry on making money from Black Folks. There are people getting seriously PAID while we make the same mistakes we been making for years.

Everyone has to start somewhere. As long as you find a job that pays you, you can qualify for some form of credit, and from their you just keep out of debt and before long you'll have more credit card companies throwing cards at you. As long as you build healthy credit, you can buy property and proper investments. Credit companies don't care about your skin colour, and banks only care about your credit.

I know what you mean by throwing money into these material things. I think we all like material things, but I tend to see a lot of the younger generation throwing money at these things creative is talking about. I can't say much cause I know when I was making good money and I was 18 I bought all sorts of crazy shit.

I think both Cosby and Pac had positive messages, and I don't think Cosby was specifically targetting Pac and trying to say Pac as a person was evil, I think he was just trying to say that far too many people look up to that thug image of Pac and think that that's the way to live life and make money. I don't think that's necessarily Pac's fault, but he did make an impression on kids and I believe that had he lived long enough he would have put out a much more positive message in his older years.

It's part of a mindset that starts early on. Think about it, when you'r a kid and do something to earn some money, what's the first thing most kids say? "Take me to the store so I can buy something". I remember doing the same shit.

As we get older, materialism sets in. A nice pair of sneakers ain't enough, we need each color, different kinds, matching hats, T-shirts, etc. And it's nothing wrong with that if we got all our other stuff in order.

White people don't trip that stuff. Most own a house by 30, and it's either because they saved, or had it passed down from a parent who saved. That's what we as a people don't do.

[Bearfan]

I get what you'll are saying, that's why we need to be reprogrammed in the right direction, but it starts with the kids. If your parents have shitty credit, spend all there money on stupid stuff, then you don't have enough positive stimuli to know that "Guns" are better than "Butter". That's what these Business/Life/Job training centers would teach the next Generation. I'm pretty sure that the Black Panthers would've expanded to that if Cointelpro hadn't dismantled there programs. The BPP was excellent at uniting the Middle Class, Upper Class, and lower class. You're only as strong as your weakest link, that's why it's important that the most fucked up areas get the most help imo. Obviously the YMCA'S not working, but like I said before we're work in progress, we're missing valuable life skills and mentors. The Government doesn't realize it, but had they not destroyed Black Leadership, Black people wouldn't need Welfare today imo.

[creativemind]

I get what you'll are saying, that's why we need to be reprogrammed in the right direction, but it starts with the kids. If your parents have _____ credit, spend all there money on stupid stuff, then you don't have enough positive stimuli to know that "Guns" are better than "Butter". That's what these Business/Life/Job training centers would teach the next Generation. I'm pretty sure that the Black Panthers would've expanded to that if Cointelpro hadn't dismantled there programs. The BPP was excellent at uniting the Middle Class, Upper Class, and lower class. You're only as strong as your weakest link, that's why it's important that the most #%@& up areas get the most help imo. Obviously the YMCA'S not working, but like I said before we're work in progress, we're missing valuable life skills and mentors. The Government doesn't realize it, but had they not destroyed Black Leadership, Black people wouldn't need Welfare today imo.

Think about it, we worked sun up to sun down for free for 400 years. If we had that same work ethic for ourselves, who knows what we could accomplish. Instead, generations of people get into the welfare mode. Wait for the government to give them a handout. That has its place during transitional times in your life, but when that becomes your life, that's crazy.

[StillNoScript]

I get what you'll are saying, that's why we need to be reprogrammed in the right direction, but it starts with the kids. If your parents have _____ credit, spend all there money on stupid stuff, then you don't have enough positive stimuli to know that "Guns" are better than "Butter". That's what these Business/Life/Job training centers would teach the next Generation. I'm pretty sure that the Black Panthers would've expanded to that if Cointelpro hadn't dismantled there programs. The BPP was excellent at uniting the Middle Class, Upper Class, and lower class. You're only as strong as your weakest link, that's why it's important that the most #%@& up areas get the most help imo. Obviously the YMCA'S not working, but like I said before we're work in progress, we're missing valuable life skills and mentors. The Government doesn't realize it, but had they not destroyed Black Leadership, Black people wouldn't need Welfare today imo.

Think about it, we worked sun up to sun down for free for 400 years. If we had that same work ethic for ourselves, who knows what we could accomplish. Instead, generations of people get into the welfare mode. Wait for the government to give them a handout. That has its place during transitional times in your life, but when that becomes your life, that's crazy.

The middle class as we know it is nothing short of a handout, via the New Deal, enacted during the Great Depression.

I agree with you in regards to minimal welfare. Giving people just a little cash to get by is not the answer. But the last time as many Whites per capita were in the position that Blacks are today, the government stepped in to help create CAREER opportunities. When we talk about doing it today, it's called 'Socialism'. Personally, I don't care what it's called. If it works, and it's the right thing to do, what's stopping it?

[creativemind]

I get what you'll are saying, that's why we need to be reprogrammed in the right direction, but it starts with the kids. If your parents have _____ credit, spend all there money on stupid stuff, then you don't have enough positive stimuli to know that "Guns" are better than "Butter". That's what these Business/Life/Job training centers would teach the next Generation. I'm pretty sure that the Black Panthers would've expanded to that if Cointelpro hadn't dismantled there programs. The BPP was excellent at uniting the Middle Class, Upper Class, and lower class. You're only as strong as your weakest link, that's why it's important that the most #%@& up areas get the most help imo. Obviously the YMCA'S not working, but like I said before we're work in progress, we're missing valuable life skills and mentors. The Government doesn't realize it, but had they not destroyed Black Leadership, Black people wouldn't need Welfare today imo.

Think about it, we worked sun up to sun down for free for 400 years. If we had that same work ethic for ourselves, who knows what we could accomplish. Instead, generations of people get into the welfare mode. Wait for the government to give them a handout. That has its place during transitional times in your life, but when that becomes your life, that's crazy.

The middle class as we know it is nothing short of a handout, via the New Deal, enacted during the Great Depression.

I agree with you in regards to minimal welfare. Giving people just a little cash to get by is not the answer. But the last time as many Whites per capita were in the position that Blacks are today, the government stepped in to help create CAREER opportunities. When we talk about doing it today, it's called 'Socialism'. Personally, I don't care what it's called. If it works, and it's the right thing to do, what's stopping it?

Giving people handouts over the long haul, fosters laziness and dependency. When you have 17 year old welfare mother who knows that if she has another child, she'll get more money, in her mind it makes since to go ahead and do it. You see it all the time.

The government doesn't mind the handout because it allows them to keep CONTROL. They know that you will be relegated to living in certain areas, only doing certain things. I've seen welfare housing which PROHIBITS you from have a man over 18 on the premises. So not only can your kids father NOT be a part of their life, you damn near got to throw your own boys on the street when they reach a certain age. And without them having a father around as an example of how to survive, guess what they do to make ends meet? Rob, steal, sell drugs.... etc.

Its a vicious cycle.