Testimony from inmates, officers in Ziska trial/NLR

[Christina Marie]

Testimony from inmates, officers in Ziska trial




Selected portions of testimony from trial of Shayne Allyn Ziska, a former correctional officer at the California Institution for Men in Chino, convicted of conspiracy, racketeering and civil rights violations. Several witnesses testified that during his time as an officer, Ziska became an associate of the Nazi Low Riders, a white supremacist prison gang, and participated in assaults and drug trafficking at the behest of gang members.
USA v. Ziska, CR-04-1002

Testimony of inmate Brian "Skully'' Roberg, questioned by Asst.
U.S. Attorney Kevin Lally:


Q: Does the (Nazi Low Riders) commit crimes inside the prisons in
which it operates?
A: Yes.
Q: What types of crimes does the NLR commit?
A: Assaults on other inmates, drug trafficking, extorting.
Q: You said drug trafficking. What type of drugs does the NLR
traffic in in prison?
A: Anything that they can get going -- heroin, weed; mostly, speed.
Q: And who do they sell these drugs to?
A: Other inmates.
Q: How do drugs get passed from -- once drugs arrive into an
institution, how do they get trafficked or, you know, passed around
throughout that institution?
A: You would send it in. You would send the drugs through kites
and through other inmates.
Q: Are there any other ways?
A: Yes. You could send it through cops.
Q: Was that something that you personally observed?
A: Yes.
Q: Any particular -- when you say ``cops,'' you mean corrections
officers; is that right?
A: Yes.
Q: Were there any corrections officers who you specifically
observed transporting drugs?
A: Yes.
Q: Who would those corrections officers be?
A: Ziska.
...


Q: Now, you indicated it would be sent by kites. Just for the
record, what is a kite?
A: A kite is a letter that is written on a small piece of paper,
just passing information.
Q: So to the extent that narcotics were transported with kites,
they would be packaged along with that letter?
A: Yes.
...


Q: Is gang business discussed in kites?
A: Yes.
Q: What type of gang business?
A: Assaults, people that need to be assaulted; any kind of drug
activity, whatever is going on that needs to be addressed with
another member.
...


Q: And which (corrections officers) have you sent kites through?
A: I've sent kites through Ziska, through other officers that --
depending on the information in the kite.
Q: What do you mean by ``depending on the information in the
kite''?
A: Well, if it wasn't hot, you know, I might have one of the
regular cops pass a kite that wasn't wrapped up or hidden or
anything. But if it was hot, I would send it through Ziska.
Q: What do you mean by a hot kite?
A: Well, if I was talking NLR politics or sending something to
somebody in another hall.
...


Q: Has the defendant ever conducted any bed moves at your request?
A: Yes.
Q: And what were the purpose of those bed moves?
A: To get somebody closer to me. Maybe somebody came in with
drugs, and we found out that they were in (Receiving and Release),
and we would have Ziska move them to our block.
Q: And would you advise the defendant of the reason why you wanted
that person to be moved to your block?
A: I'm not really sure if that was a topic of conversation.
Q: During the times that you were housed in the defendant's unit
in Sycamore (Hall, a unit in CIM's Reception Center-Central), would
the defendant allow other inmates other than the tier tender out of
their cell?
A: Yes.
Q: And would those inmates be of a particular race?
A: Yes, predominantly the white boys.
Q: Were you one of the inmates who the defendant would allow out
of his cell?
A: Yes.
Q: And how often would the defendant allow you out of your cell?
A: Often.
Q: Are we talking every day, a couple times a week? What are we
talking about?
A: If he was there, I was out of my cell.
...


Q: Have you ever observed the defendant open a cell door so that
an inmate can be assaulted?
A: Yes.
Q: Has he ever done this for you?
A: Yes.
Q: On how many occasions?
A: That I can recall, on one.
Q: And can you describe that circumstance.
A: Yes, there was an incident where somebody needed to get dealt
with, and we went to Ziska to have the door popped so we can do that.
Q: First of all, you say that there was an incident where somebody
needed to be dealt with. Are you able to provide any additional
information with respect to that?
A: Yes. We needed a door open so we could go in and assault an
inmate in the cell.
Q: Why did the inmate need to be assaulted?
A: I don't really remember the infraction. I'm sure that he was
assaulted for a good reason, a reason we felt must have been just.
Q: While you don't recall the specific infraction, it's your
recollection that the individual had committed an infraction against
the white race?
A: Yes.
Q: And you indicated that you got to Ziska and asked him to pop
the door. What do you mean by that?
A: Well, we needed him to key the door, to open the cell.
Q: And after he was asked to do that, did he in fact do that?
A: Yes.
Q: And what happened next?
A: He walked off the tier and left the cell door open. And we went
in and assaulted the inmate.
Testimony of James Abbott, a former inmate at CIM, questioned by
Asst. U.S. Attorney Adam Kamenstein
Q: I had asked you how your observing Junior's (another inmate)
relationship with Ziska affected your relationship with Ziska.
A: OK. Well, I knew he was about taking care of business as far
as, like, you know, passing kites and stuff. But as far as, like, as
a friendly, on a personal basis, you know what I mean? Like, friends.
They were really tight, you know.
Q: Did you become tight with defendant Ziska?
A: More so in 2000. It seems like I kind of took Junior's place.
Like, Junior, he could go behind the desk. He could go anywhere he
wanted to. When I first got over to Madrone (Hall, a unit in CIM's
Reception Center-Central), Ziska brought Junior a whole bag of
razors, a bag of razors to make weapons with and to burn the handles
for tattooing.
Judge: Who brought what to whom?
Abbott: Ziska brought a bag of razors to Junior when he lived
upstairs when I first got to Madrone.
...


Q: Did you ever horseplay with defendant Ziska?
A: Yeah.
Q: Describe that for the court, please.
A: Well, some of it was horseplay. I mean, like, one time in the
refrigerator room I went up behind him and put my arm around him and
I was shaking him like that (gesturing) and saying, ``Hit your
button, punk.'' You know, just playing. But we did other things too,
like, practice martial arts and stuff like that in there.
Q: Did you come to know whether or not Ziska had any understanding
of martial arts?
A: Yeah. I think he's really super good at Tae Kwon Do. I think
that's what you would call it.
Q: Why do you believe that?
A: Because he would go to tournaments and stuff. And one time he
brought back a medal that he won, bronze, I believe.
Q: What kind of martial arts did he teach you?
A: Well, I don't know if you'd call it that, but, I mean, he
taught me, like, arm bars and different punches and footwork and
blocks and kicks and whatnot.
Q: Did defendant Ziska ever teach you any self-defense moves?
A: Yeah. He taught me how to block and take away a baton from an
officer. He taught me how to block a knife and to take a gun away.
Q: Did he use any props in demonstrating how to --
A: Yeah. For the gun, we used a banana. And one of the things he
said was the best way to take away a baton from an officer is before
he even pulls it out, you know, when it's just hanging there.
Q: Did he teach you anything with respect to pepper spray?
A: Yeah.
Q: What?
A: He said, like, if they were going to come and pepper spray,
it's good to, like, put plastic over your eyes like that. And when
they spray it in there, to wet your towel and breathe through the
towel and then remove it to exhale so you don't suffocate.
...
Q: Did you also have any weapons made out of plexiglass?
A: Yeah.
Q: How did you make those, or acquire those?
A: Well, we had what I called a drop box, the locker behind the
desk. Ziska would leave stuff in there for me to get.
Q: Like what?
A: Like weapon stock.
Q: Like what kind of weapon stock?
A: Well, he left me a little square piece of plexiglass that came
out of a window. He told me that there was something in there for me,
and I went in there and there it was and I got it. And we cut it into
four strips.
...
Q: Did there come a time where you ever had any conversations with
defendant Ziska about how to improve your manufacturing of weapons?
A: Yeah.
Q: What was that conversation?
A: Well, I had a couple real big pieces, and I was sharpening one
of them on the floor when he came by. And we said -- I was having a
hard time because it was made out of, like, iron, you know what I
mean? Like, pot iron, wrought iron. And it was taking forever, and he
said that I should put Ajax on the floor as an abrasive to help
quicken the process. And I started doing that, and it worked pretty
good.
Q: Where did you get the Ajax from?
A: Behind the desk. The cops pass it out.
Q: For legitimate cleaning --
A: Yeah. For cleaning the kitchen or whatever.
Q: Would you carry weapons with you when you were out on the tier?
A: Yeah.
Q: Why would you carry a weapon?
A: Just to always be ready.
Q: Ready for what?
A: There's a lot of big scary nigs up in there.
Q: Did you ever tell defendant Ziska that you had weapons?
A: Yeah. He knew I had them.
Q: How?
A: He seen them, you know. I'd show them to him and stuff like
that.
Q: How would you show him?
A: Well, I'd just pull it out and I'd slap it like that on my hand
and tell him, ``Don't worry about nothing, doggie.''
Q: Were you threatening him?
A: No.
Q: So why would you show him?
A: Just to show him that I was strapped, that I wasn't (expletive)
around, you know what I mean? That I was just in that wicked way.
Judge: When you say ``nigs,'' you meant black people?
Abbott: Yeah.
...


Q: You knew you weren't allowed to have a weapon according to
prison policy; is that correct?
A: Right.
Q: Did you fear any repercussions from telling defendant Ziska?
A: No.
Q: Why?
A: He wanted us to be strapped, the white race in there, to be
ready in case of a riot or what have you.
Q: What lead you to believe that, or led you to believe that?
A: Just talking to him. You know what I mean? Seeing how it was. I
mean, he was giving us stuff to work with.

Testimony of Richard Palacios, officer at CIM, questioned by Asst.
U.S. Attorney Kevin Lally


Q: During the time that you worked with the defendant at Sycamore
Hall, did you observe whether or not he favored inmates of a
particular race?
A: Yes.
Q: Which race did he favor?
A: The white inmates.
Q: Why do you say that he favored the white inmates?
A: Because he was unlocking the doors, leaving doors unlocked; and
they were allowed to run freely pretty much on the unit, with cell
doors left open pretty much to run around the tier freely.
Q: And how often would you see the cell doors open with the white
inmates running free through the tier.
A: Quite frequently. Just about every day.
Q: When you would observe -- and approximately how many white
inmates are we talking about?
A: It varied. Maybe 15, 20, 30. Depends.
Q: So this is beyond the tier tenders. This would be a significant
number of individuals?
A: Yes.
Q: Would the defendant allow all the whites who were celled up in
Sycamore Hall, or would he be selective?
A: I don't recall. I just recall there were several white inmates
that are let out and cell doors were left open.
Q: Do you recall whether or not the white inmates were affiliated
with any prison gangs?
A: Nazi Low Riders.
Judge: Did you ever speak to your partner, Mr. Ziska, about
letting inmates run free?
Palacios: Yes.
Judge: Would you inquire, please.
Lally: Yes, your honor, I shall. If I may just have a moment to
get there.
Q: Correction Officer Palacios, when you would see white inmates
out on the tier, what would you do?
A: I would grab one of my partners and we would lock them up.
Q: And when you would lock them up, where would the defendant be
at this time?
A: A lot of times, he would be hanging out with (gang-affiliated
inmate) Michael Bridges in front of his cell or in the general area.
Q: Would he assist you?
A: No.
Q: After you had locked up the white inmates, what would you
observe?
A: Me and my partner, I would grab one of my other partners. We
would go up, we would lock them up and -- lock up the numerous white
inmates who were running freely, we would lock them up. We would
cross over to the other side, lock up that side. And once we cane
back down, it was usually shortly thereafter the white inmates were
usually let back out again on the tiers.
Q: Now, when you would bring the inmates back to their cells,
would you lock that cell?
A: Yes.
Q: And approximately how long after that would they be out back on
the tier?
A: It varied. Sometimes immediately, sometimes shortly thereafter.
Q: How did the inmates respond when you locked them up?
A: Well, we would confront them. They would immediately state to
us that they had permission by Ziska. Ziska not only allowed them to
come out, he opened the door to let them out, but he gave them
permission to stay out on the tier. And at that point, they would
usually yell out ``Ziska, Ziska, Ziska.'' They would be calling out,
screaming out his name.
...


Q: Now, did there come a time when you had a discussion with the
defendant about the fact that he was allowing these large numbers of
white inmates to be out on the tier?
A: Yes.
Q: And would you please describe where the discussion -- well,
were there one or multiple discussions on this issue?
A: There were several.
Q: And where did these discussions take place?
A: In the Sycamore Hall kitchen.
Q: And can you please describe what happened in those meetings.
A: Well, Officer Shayne Ziska called for another meeting in the
Sycamore Hall kitchen. He stated to me he wanted to know what my
problem was, that I was being too hard on the woods and that --
Q: Now, if I may stop you right there. What do you understand that
term ``woods'' to be?
A: White inmates.
Q: Okay. So the defendant said that you are being too hard on the
woods. What else did he say?
A: He stated to me if I knew what it was like to have battery acid
or antifreeze placed on my vehicle's paint job. He asked me to back
off the white inmates. He said I was being too hard on him. He said
they do favors for him when he's not there.
Q: And you indicated that you had this type of discussion on
multiple occasions?
A: Yes.
Q: What steps, if any, did you take to rectify this situation?
A: I transferred out. I'm sorry. I documented it. I documented in
a memorandum, and I kept my supervisors abreast of what was going on.
And when we felt we had enough documentation, I was instructed to
turn it into the third floor at Chino, the ISU unit, Investigative
Services Unit, for an investigation.
Q: And what was the end result of that investigation?
A: They determined that -- about six months later, they determined
that they were going to close their file.
Q: What did you do then?
A: I transferred out.
Q: Why?
A: Because I was getting some -- I was pretty much being shunned
upon from some of my co-workers. They didn't have any conversation
for me. If I walked upon a group that were conversing in a hallway,
the staff pretty much, once they saw me coming, they just pretty much
went in different directions and didn't have any conversation for me.
So I was pretty much getting the silent treatment.
Testimony of Robert Spejcher, officer at CIM, questioned by Asst.
U.S. Attorney Adam Kamenstein
Q: Describe please, for the court, what the conditions in Madrone
Hall were when you arrived for third watch after Officer Ziska's
second watch?
A: There is days where cells would be left unlocked, find inmates
on the third tier talking to other inmates. When the inmate is
questioned, we'd find out he'd from Sycamore Hall. There's tier
tenders out, white tier tenders was out.
Q: Did you observe inmates of the three races out?
A: No.
Q: What generally would you observe?
A: White inmates.
Q: And was there -- and what did it appear to you that these
inmates were doing?
A: Roaming the tiers and talking to other inmates in cells.
Q: Did you observe anything with respect to grill gates?
Withdrawn. What do you mean when you say you'd learn that they were
from Sycamore?
A: After we'd finish our shift change and visually look in the
unit, the inmate would be on the third tier. My partner or myself
would call him down and question why he's out, and he tells us he's
from Sycamore Hall.
Q: Did he have legitimate business to be conducting in Madrone?
A: No.
Q: What would you do with the inmate?
A: He would be returned back to Sycamore Hall so he could be
locked up in his cell.
Q: Did you observe any characteristics in Madrone Hall about the
proportion of inmates according to race in particular -- on
particular tiers?
A: It seemed like there was bigger blocks of white inmates in
various areas in the unit.
Q: And generally, how do you try to house the inmates, according
to race?
A: Try to keep people balanced on all the tiers.
Q: Why?
A: So one race wouldn't have more inmates and possibly cause
violence against the inmates, the races that had fewer inmates.
...


Q: How did you view these conditions that you just described when
you would come into Madrone Hall?
A: Out of the normal procedure that we're supposed to follow.
Q: I'm sorry?
A: It's out of the normal procedures that we are supposed to
follow.
Q: Did it present any kind of security risk?
A: Yes.
Q: What?
A: When we're doing the count and walking past the cell door
that's unlocked, and they can jump out and attack us or other inmates
that are running from ducats.
Q: Was it a common occurrence for these inmates' doors to be
unlocked -- to find inmates' cell doors unlocked?
A: Yes.
Q: And were they always of a particular race, or did it vary?
A: Always of the same race.
Q: And that being which race?
A: White race.
...


Q: Are you concerned with respect to your own safety because
you've testified here today?
A: Yes.
Defense attorney Joel Levine: Objection, you honor. That's
irrelevant.
Judge: It's overruled.
Spejcher: Yes.
Q: Why?
A: Because I still work in California Institution for Men, and
Officer Ziska still has friends in the institution.
Q: And what are your concerns in that regard?
A: My safety and the safety of my family.
Q: Why are you testifying?
Levine: Objection, your honor. This is irrelevant.
Judge: It's overruled. You may answer.
Spejcher: Because I don't need to have a job where it's unsafe to
work because of the amount of incidents that happened following these
visits that were going on.


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[AcmeWhiteBread]

Guess that guy will be doing his time on the sensitive needs yard now...

[Christina Marie]

Guess that guy will be doing his time on the sensitive needs yard now...

For sure...lol

[TD]

MICHAEL BRIDGES WAS MENTIONED, IS THAT THE SAME "SNAKE" FROM IE NLR, AND WHAT PRISON IS THIS.

[PolakoMafia]

yea

[AllhoodPublications]

yea

Q: How do drugs get passed from -- once drugs arrive into an
institution, how do they get trafficked or, you know, passed around
throughout that institution? A: You would send it in. You would send the drugs through kites
and through other inmates.
Q: Are there any other ways?
A: Yes. You could send it through cops. Q: Was that something that you personally observed?
A: Yes.
Q: Any particular -- when you say ``cops,'' you mean corrections
officers; is that right?
A: Yes.
Q: Were there any corrections officers who you specifically
observed transporting drugs?
A: Yes.
Q: Who would those corrections officers be?
A: Ziska.


Damn... NLR gets drugs through cops.. well what a surprise.

Q: And which (corrections officers) have you sent kites through?
A: I've sent kites through Ziska, through other officers that --
depending on the information in the kite.
Q: What do you mean by ``depending on the information in the
kite''?
A: Well, if it wasn't hot, you know, I might have one of the
regular cops pass a kite that wasn't wrapped up or hidden or
anything. But if it was hot, I would send it through Ziska.
Q: What do you mean by a hot kite?
A: Well, if I was talking NLR politics or sending something to
somebody in another hall.

You're right.. no preferential treatment for white inmates- the co's hate tem with a passion.

[PolakoMafia]

All gangs have their own cops they work with to get the drugs through.

[AllhoodPublications]

All gangs have their own cops they work with to get the drugs through.

Show me the paperwork...

Show me a website that says so...

Show me some pdf. file or documents..

Or give me a real live true account of when and where you witnessed such...

[PolakoMafia]

how else would the mexican mafia fund such huge drug operations all over cali if they werent getting it through also using cops?

[PolakoMafia]

all over clai prisons I mean. Plus watch any prison movie like lockdown they all show it.

[shing]

All gangs have their own cops they work with to get the drugs through.

Show me the paperwork...

Show me a website that says so...

Show me some pdf. file or documents..

Or give me a real live true account of when and where you witnessed such...

Are you implying that you don't believe this happens?

[AllhoodPublications]

Are you implying that you don't believe this happens?

I am more likely to believe some of the guys in this forum lean on their own understandings and misinterpretations moreso than experienced it firsthand.

[SouljahGirl]

Are you implying that you don't believe this happens?

I am more likely to believe some of the guys in this forum lean on their own understandings and misinterpretations moreso than experienced it firsthand.

You two really speak well. I admire that. No slang. Just crisp clear statements.. I'm not able to express myself that that yet.

know what.. When I grow up.. I'ma be like you..Hahha!!! LOL!

What it Do Street Gangs..



What - It - Do!!!

[shing]

Are you implying that you don't believe this happens?

I am more likely to believe some of the guys in this forum lean on their own understandings and misinterpretations moreso than experienced it firsthand.

if i had an officer on my payroll, i would not show you paperwork, a website. pdf. files or any solid proof. but i will tell you that most "cars" have officers working for them to some degree.

[shing]

Are you implying that you don't believe this happens?

I am more likely to believe some of the guys in this forum lean on their own understandings and misinterpretations moreso than experienced it firsthand.

You two really speak well. I admire that. No slang. Just crisp clear statements.. I'm not able to express myself that that yet.

know what.. When I grow up.. I'ma be like you..Hahha!!! LOL!

What it Do Street Gangs..



What - It - Do!!!

you can tell how much education a person has by they way they write to an extent. me, i just read alot. that's what happens when you have alot of extra time on your hands. know what i'm sayin?

[AllhoodPublications]

if i had an officer on my payroll, i would not show you paperwork

If you had a correctional officer on your payroll why would there even be paperwork?

a website. pdf. files or any solid proof?

This is 2009, a person arguing facts should be able to google it for the sake of their argument or false claims; the info should be at the tip of your fingers.

but i will tell you that most "cars" have officers working for them to some degree.

Do you know what a car is, and how many cars can be confined to a single yard? Not even I, am inclined to believe that there are that many crooked correctional officers on one yard, particularly working with the majority of Black inmates.

[shing]

if i had an officer on my payroll, i would not show you paperwork

If you had a correctional officer on your payroll why would there even be paperwork?

a website. pdf. files or any solid proof?

This is 2009, a person arguing facts should be able to google it for the sake of their argument or false claims; the info should be at the tip of your fingers.

but i will tell you that most "cars" have officers working for them to some degree.

Do you know what a car is, and how many cars can be confined to a single yard? Not even I, am inclined to believe that there are that many crooked correctional officers on one yard, particularly working with the majority of Black inmates.

just to clarify, i forgot to add free staff to list of dirty employees. you, obviously, have never been to prison.

[HIGHINSP]

every car has something going on...and off the top of my head id say at any 1 time there may be as many as 30 different cars...each car has members in it who work with a free staff...many free staff are sheep amongst wolves...get manipulated with a quickness...Sur/norte crip/blood 415/bulldogs whites all have some sort of hustle...here's a few of the ways...in soladad a black dude worked in the package room...anything you wanted sent in he could get in for you...for 20 bux...the co "took care of his worker"...as payback the worker didn't "front off" the co...in avenal an old white man was getting special "drawing" pens from the street to do his art work...that were stuffed with herion...from an old ass lady who was the free staff in the library...in cmc west you could buy liquor and porn out of the mini canteen if you knew how to ask for it...and could pay for it with real $ brought back from visit...in avenal any "floters" the co took away from you...could be returned by the porters for a price of course...as for mr. allhood saying blacks wouldnt have people willing to hook them up is WAY WRONG...straight to the point...blacks have the most relaxed rules amongst themselves...they are allowed to talk to cos and free staff as much as the co or free staff will respond...surenos cannot get to buddy buddy with the cops without becoming suspect...so i think blacks would be more likely to get contraband from an officer...then a mexican or white would...just because their own internal politics allows them to talk to "the man" as much as they want without fear of being labeled a snitch...one thing you must remember is this...whites and southern mexicans cannot do certain things with blacks...like drink out of the same cup, share food, borrow clothing, sell drugs etc...because they will be regulated and delt with by their own people...blacks know these rules and continually try and put other races in situations to break these rules...so that the other races can hurt themselves...while blacks have none of these rules themselves...so if anything blacks probably get more from crooked staff then visits...while the other races find other ways of getting what they need...high

[HIGHINSP]

here's all the cars i can think of...
]SURENOS SAN DIEGO, ORANGE COUNTY, EAST LA, NELA, SELA, SOUTH LA, SOUTH CENTRAL LA, WEST LA, HARBOR AREA, SGV, VALLE (SFV), 805 AREA, BAKERS, IE, COCHELLA VALLEY, IMPERIAL VALLEY, RIVERSIDE COUNTY,18ST (yep they have their own car all sides), OUT OF BOUNDS SURENOS (surenos from up north
NORTENOS TULARE COUNTY, KINGS COUNTY, SAC, BAY AREA, SALAD BOWL, im not to sure if they break themselves down into cars like surenos do amongst themselves
BULLDOGS FRESNO,EAST SIDE, NORTH SIDE, PARK SIDE,AND MOST OF THE OTHER LITTLE TOWNS IN FRESNO COUNTY ARE ALL BULLDOGS
CRIPS. GANGSTERS, HOOVAS, 00'S, COAST,LONG BEACH, AND A LOT MORE BUT I CANT MAKE NO SENSE OF THEIR ALLIANCES
BLOODS/PIRUS, I AINT GOT NO CLUE HOW THEY ROLE THEY ALLWAYS SEEMED PREETY UNITED WITH THAT BL
PLUS YOU GOT THE 415ERS, AND THE UP NORTH BLOODS AND CRIPS
The sureno cars i know for sure that how it roles...the rest were all the same to me...a bloods a blood and a northeners a northener except for the crips...i worked pia with a little dude from ETGC who tried to explain all their alliances and i just kinda listened (sort of) without really understanding or caring ...high
DAMN I ALMSOT FORGOT THE WHITES...SO CAL WOODS DAGO, IE, OC, 805,OILDALE, BAKERSFIELD, NO. SAC, SO. SAC,FRESNO, TULARE, BUTTE, damn theres a lot of seperation no that i think about it

[shing]

every car has something going on...and off the top of my head id say at any 1 time there may be as many as 30 different cars...each car has members in it who work with a free staff...many free staff are sheep amongst wolves...get manipulated with a quickness...Sur/norte crip/blood 415/bulldogs whites all have some sort of hustle...here's a few of the ways...in soladad a black dude worked in the package room...anything you wanted sent in he could get in for you...for 20 bux...the co "took care of his worker"...as payback the worker didn't "front off" the co...in avenal an old white man was getting special "drawing" pens from the street to do his art work...that were stuffed with herion...from an old ass lady who was the free staff in the library...in cmc west you could buy liquor and porn out of the mini canteen if you knew how to ask for it...and could pay for it with real $ brought back from visit...in avenal any "floters" the co took away from you...could be returned by the porters for a price of course...as for mr. allhood saying blacks wouldnt have people willing to hook them up is WAY WRONG...straight to the point...blacks have the most relaxed rules amongst themselves...they are allowed to talk to cos and free staff as much as the co or free staff will respond...surenos cannot get to buddy buddy with the cops without becoming suspect...so i think blacks would be more likely to get contraband from an officer...then a mexican or white would...just because their own internal politics allows them to talk to "the man" as much as they want without fear of being labeled a snitch...one thing you must remember is this...whites and southern mexicans cannot do certain things with blacks...like drink out of the same cup, share food, borrow clothing, sell drugs etc...because they will be regulated and delt with by their own people...blacks know these rules and continually try and put other races in situations to break these rules...so that the other races can hurt themselves...while blacks have none of these rules themselves...so if anything blacks probably get more from crooked staff then visits...while the other races find other ways of getting what they need...high

highinsp, i know that surenos are not allowed to deal with blacks for dope or whatever due to their politics, but i have seen many many times where they side skirt the rules by dealing with a middle man, most commony through "others". when you get sick because of heroin there is pretty much you wouldn't do to get your next high.

[AllhoodPublications]

For a southsider who doesn't talk to police you sure did a great job explaining the different prisons over the internet and how they illegally operate. What is that???

Plus, coming from someone who didn't realize Black inmates suffer injuries and fatalities at the hands of the guntower I question how much you really know about their cars operate.

[HIGHINSP]

For a southsider who doesn't talk to police you sure did a great job explaining the different prisons over the internet and how they illegally operate. What is that???

Plus, coming from someone who didn't realize Black inmates suffer injuries and fatalities at the hands of the guntower I question how much you really know about their cars operate.

lol..its all good...i havent been to prison since 01...all of the illegally operating people have been gone...or busted...its the internet...not prison...im free to talk with (type what) and do what i please...and did you not read where i said i dont understand or care about how the blacks operate...ill explain more if you'd like...there are lines you dont cross...just to put shit into perspective...avenal has 6 yards and each has its own library and free staff...each yard has 3 building 1 gym and a new fab. building...over 2000 people per yard...so how much information did i really give up???can you tell me which yard im talking about??NO...can you pin point someone out of (2000 x 6 =12,000 people)...if you can you should be a PI...but your not and you cant...soledead has central, north, south, do you know what yard im talking about???AGAIN NO...as for not realizing blacks are shot by the guntower...lets see ahhhh...Im not black...so do you really think a black dude gonna come tell me..."ay ese my homeboy got shot in a riot with your peps"...of course not...so why would i even care...every riot with blacks ive been involved with...blacks never "kicked it off"...so while you try to learn about gangs and prison for your own profit (allhood)...i actually lived the lifestyle from the other side of the fence...go google that...my bad you cant google up experence...just lie and make shit seem glorious and one sided...its not everybody gets the sharp end of the stick once in a while...no hard feelings...high

[AllhoodPublications]

avenal has 6 yards and each has its own library and free staff...each yard has 3 building 1 gym and a new fab. building...over 2000 people per yard...so how much information did i really give up???can you tell me which yard im talking about??NO...

you clearly wrote "in soladad a black dude worked in the package room...anything you wanted sent in he could get in for you...for 20 bux...the co "took care of his worker"...as payback the worker didn't "front off" the co...in avenal an old white man was getting special "drawing" pens from the street to do his art work...that were stuffed with herion...from an old ass lady who was the free staff in the library...in cmc west you could buy liquor and porn out of the mini canteen if you knew how to ask for it...and could pay for it with real $ brought back from visit...in avenal any "floters" the co took away from you..."

Now to address that appropiately, no specific inmate or staff would catch any pedo from your post but lets understand that the package room, library, canteen, and visiting rooms in those specific prisons still exist. I'm sure they still have free staff too.. Lets move on...

do you really think a black dude gonna come tell me..."ay ese my homeboy got shot in a riot with your peps"...of course not...

I thought maybe you did a little reading since you been to so many prisons.. maybe you were pre-occupied guarding the showers for the carnales.

blacks never "kicked it off"

Racial hatred is a mothafucka ain't it... even worst than that you HAVE to participate or let another man discipline you as if he is your papi.

i actually lived the lifestyle from the other side of the fence...

You typed that as if it means something- Did you win any awards, receive any royalties, or earn a pension for that?

go google that...my bad you cant google up experence...just lie and make shit seem glorious and one sided

Lie.. about what homie? Glorious? There is no glory in banging.. just lifers, rats, and people being bred myths- lmao @ one sided? Not even, thats what you are here for- to speak on how the Blacks control the drug trade and charge you fools $20 for smuggling shit in.

...its not everybody gets the sharp end of the stick once in a while...no hard feelings...high

Don't trip ese, you just happened to butt into a conversation and unknowingly made some of my points for me. Only difference is you made it seem as if the Blacks have all the hook ups - if this is true, no wonder why La Eme is still fighting for control of the prisons- you have all the numbers don't you fools have any juice???

[HIGHINSP]

This is 2009, a person arguing facts should be able to google it for the sake of their argument or false claims; the info should be at the tip of your fingers.

go google some more info...lol

[HIGHINSP]

avenal has 6 yards and each has its own library and free staff...each yard has 3 building 1 gym and a new fab. building...over 2000 people per yard...so how much information did i really give up???can you tell me which yard im talking about??NO...

you clearly wrote "in soladad a black dude worked in the package room...anything you wanted sent in he could get in for you...for 20 bux...the co "took care of his worker"...as payback the worker didn't "front off" the co...in avenal an old white man was getting special "drawing" pens from the street to do his art work...that were stuffed with herion...from an old ass lady who was the free staff in the library...in cmc west you could buy liquor and porn out of the mini canteen if you knew how to ask for it...and could pay for it with real $ brought back from visit...in avenal any "floters" the co took away from you..."

Now to address that appropiately, no specific inmate or staff would catch any pedo from your post but lets understand that the package room, library, canteen, and visiting rooms in those specific prisons still exist. I'm sure they still have free staff too..yeah too bad everyone knows this goes down...this is s.o.p...in all prisons... Lets move on...

do you really think a black dude gonna come tell me..."ay ese my homeboy got shot in a riot with your peps"...of course not...

I thought maybe you did a little reading since you been to so many prisons.. maybe you were pre-occupied guarding the showers for the carnales.
why would i read about black people???i did alot of reading...im more of a sidney sheldon type of dude...where did you read about guarding the shower...the showers are segerated...no need to stand guard

blacks never "kicked it off"

Racial hatred is a mothafucka ain't it... even worst than that you HAVE to participate or let another man discipline you as if he is your papi. wow did i hit a nerve???why would you hit a nerve???you cut out the part of my quote where i say...all the riots I'VE been in with blacks...not that blacks never kick it off...im speaking from from my own experience...i dont have racial hatred towards blacks...im a member of a southern california street gang...where blacks are not a factor at all...prison has rules...and surenos are the quickest to regulate their own...being as youre not a sureno...i wouldnt want or except you to understand...riots arnt started over racial hatred...or there woud be riots every day...riots start over situations that cant be avoided

i actually lived the lifestyle from the other side of the fence...

You typed that as if it means something- Did you win any awards, receive any royalties, or earn a pension for that? no just giving a little first hand information...not relying on some googled information...as for awards...i actually have one first place handball trophy...three seconds...and two thirds...and i was a member of a champion soccer team...

go google that...my bad you cant google up experence...just lie and make shit seem glorious and one sided

Lie.. about what homie? Glorious? There is no glory in banging..and yet you produce a magazine and profit off the lifestyle...just lifers, rats, and people being bred myths- lmao @ one sided? Not even, thats what you are here for- to speak on how the Blacks control the drug trade and charge you fools $20 for smuggling shit in.i never said anything about the drug trade...but once again im talking to a second hand info type of guy...dont get mad and name call...


...its not everybody gets the sharp end of the stick once in a while...no hard feelings...high

Don't trip ese, you just happened to butt into a conversation and unknowingly made some of my points for me. Only difference is you made it seem as if the Blacks have all the hook ups - if this is true, no wonder why La Eme is still fighting for control of the prisons- you have all the numbers don't you fools have any juice???lol...your a funny guy...why you get all butt hurt???i mentioned 1 black hook up...blacks have just as many hook ups as anybody else...you do read english right??why do you keep mentioning the eme???they are not present on any main line yard ive been to...the books you read cant explain how it really is...but now you want to be mr anti sureno pro black...so keep TRYING to make some valid points...and when you do ill be the first give you props...

...i guess for a person like you who has never been to prison its hard to understand the realities...movies and tv specials are alot more action packed then real prison life...but you know it all and have the links to prove it...lol

[AllhoodPublications]

Whats the difference between selling information for profits and paying taxes to someone you never walked the yard with???

Besides you constantly brag on your prison stint as if you graduated from Harvard, but then you blame me for glorification???

Thats funny...

I'm cool homie- you win- now let me get back to google.

[HIGHINSP]

Whats the difference between selling information for profits and paying taxesduh...one is making money off of a lifestlye...the other comes with living a certain lifestyle in certain areas to someone you never walked the yard with???im not sure how your question makes sense???ive never paid taxes...im not from los...we dont have peope taxing varrios around my neck of the woods... nice try though

Besides you constantly brag on your prison stint as if you graduated from Harvard, but then you blame me for glorification???
its not something to brag about...me telling you where ive been is like you posting a link to a stat.. you cant talk about something youve never done...in a conversation you should only speak about stuff youve actually been through...ive been there done that...i dont have a link with facts...facts are to write reports with...no one ever blamed you for glorification...why you have to try and twist shit around??why cant you respond to my full posts without cutting and pasting little bits and pieces???
Thats funny...

I'm cool homie- you win- now let me get back to google.

its too bad we couldnt have a civil conversation and maybe gain a little insight into how another race thinks...i never took this as an argument...or a personal attack...i guess thats why our peoples just cant get along...to many differences...its all good...high

[AllhoodPublications]

Naw... I feel like I put a few words in your mouth, and i missed the part where you wrote "Riots that i've been in'... the conversation was going a different route than i expected...it was merely an attempt to contradict Polakmafia's earlier post in another discussion where he was cheerleading for caucasions and saying white inmates weren't anymore privelaged than any other race in prison, so I simply copyied and pasted where the NLR informant- who by the way you claim blacks are always the one in the co's face- explained how they were operating with correctional officers. At that point I asked him to post something similar that shows Black inmates having those same hook ups. Then you and someone else jumped in attacking my personal experience at least 3 times (combined). You said I was lying, glorifying, making profits, telling one sided stories and so forth... if i'm doing all of that- then its time I step away from this convo and let you guys continue to speak on Blacks in the manner in which you see as FACT. from YOUR experience i might add.