Confronting Prison Rape

There are many that believe California's Prison Rehabilitation System and other systems around the world have more sinister purpose outside of incarceration. Discuss prison topics here in California, throughout the United States and Internationally.

Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Common Sense » July 28th, 2004, 1:16 pm

Kemosave wrote:I put that in there not because I thought it was funny (although I did on a purely joke level) but because I wanted to use that as the lead in for this article whereas a real victim comments on that song being played by a guard while he was being victimized in prison. The point being there really is nothing funny about it. Check out the article Common Sense by a former inmate:

http://www.counterpunch.org/steve08012003.html

Here's a guard's perspective:

http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/RapeInPrison.html


The cartoon was funny......not the concept of prison rape. The articles were interesting as well as disturbing. I think rapist no matter in prison or on the outside should be dealt with severly.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Kemosave » July 29th, 2004, 1:02 pm

This is an especially horrid account:

http://www.spr.org/en/sprnews/2003/1009.html

This guy was looking for a cause and I guess he found it but died from Aids as a result of the experience.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby crackerjack » August 3rd, 2004, 11:19 am

This is my first post to these forums. Gotta start somewhere, right?

I've never been to the pen, so I can't speak from experience. But I've read all of your posts, including all of the articles, and it sounds to me like prison rape is a serious problem. I'm a middle-class white guy with no street smarts, and I know FOR SURE I'd get raped in prison. Or at least I'd die defending myself against it. I feel for the guys that are in for stupid stuff like shoplifting. Those guys don't deserve that s**t. But to be honest, the guys that are in for more serious crimes, I don't care what happens to them.

You won't ever find me in prison, though. Some of you sound like career criminals and know WAY too much about prison life. I have some advice for you. Get a job. Stay out of trouble. Go to college. Get out of the hoods and barrios. Those places are tickets to jail or the grave.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Kemosave » August 3rd, 2004, 11:34 am

Welcome to the forum. The hardcore bangers living between the street corner and a jail cell aren't the ones being raped when they hit County and then maybe the pen. Statistically soft young white males with no gang ties are the ones that get it. You fit the profile so yeah don't go!

I also agree with you that the jail/prison system in California is a grinder that sometimes spits the survivors out after it's done with them. I mean it's not Maine here you know! The ones that escape may still die as a result via Aids, Hepatitis, or psych issues. Of course the hardest ones just walk right back to their crime if you can believe that.

As for your simple solution of "Get a job. Stay out of trouble. Go to college. Get out of the hoods and barrios.", white boy that is easy for you who has no real conception of what it means to grow up in say Nickerson Gardens or Jordan Downs. You need to learn what that means. Stick around.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Common Sense » August 3rd, 2004, 12:25 pm

crackerjack wrote:You won't ever find me in prison, though. Some of you sound like career criminals and know WAY too much about prison life.
I have some advice for you. Get a job. Stay out of trouble. Go to college. Get out of the hoods and barrios.
Those places are tickets to jail or the grave.


Welcome Cracker Jack:
If you can avoid prison..... do it.

Getting a job for some in today's market is extremely difficult. Especially with corporate downsizing the last few years, employers not willing to hiring ex-cons, ex-cons with no education (i.e. h.s. diploma) and no history of educational success. In most major cities..living in the suburbs is very expensive as a matter of fact..living anywhere that's desirable is not cheap, so some are stuck in the ghetto/barrio because of economical reason. I'm sure if most had the means they would move. Rap stars that make it..usually move.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby crackerjack » August 3rd, 2004, 12:33 pm

You're right, I don't know. I mean no disrespect. Maybe it's harder to stay out of trouble than I think when you grow up in Nickerson Gardens or Jordan Downs. But surely it's not impossible.

But to stay on the subject... Why is there no solidarity amongts the whites? You'd think that if they were the ones getting it up the *ss every night they'd come together for some protection. Seems pretty stupid.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Kemosave » August 3rd, 2004, 3:12 pm

Let me see if I can say it in English. You are raised from your earliest years to respect/represent your neighborhood/hood. If you do not do this you are basically lower than a rat and without protection. That's some serious peer pressure white boy. You are brought up in a culture that is completely adverse to what employers are looking for when they are hiring. And it is deep. From how you talk, where you're from, what you wear, the body language you learned, on and on and on and on and these are ingrained from your earliest memories. You can't just unlearn them in a short period of time and if you tried you would come under ridicule and persecution from your peers. If you have banged, your enemies might view the change as an opportunity to hit you. And where you going to move too? You think white folk are standing in line waiting to take you and all your baggage into their 1/2 million dollar and up homes? Geesh I think the average price of a home in Whittier for example is now $500k. Real estate has skyrocketed in Southern California over the last five years and the project prisoners are really stuck now. Come on get real. About the only chance is a kamakazi mission if you are too young to join the military or job corp. In other words, get on a bus and take it as far as you can, get off and approach a church and give it your best shot. If you LUCKY, it will work out. I know a kid that did this and was adopted but what are the odds really.

Next, whites are the minority in prison. Go reread all the posts and links in this area to see what that means. The few whites group together sure and they have a handful of prison gangs but they are blood in and blood out. Are you willing to do the deeds necessary to get in one and make a lifetime commitment (ie blood in and blood out)? Man if you end up in the joint with one older white guy five Mexicans and three Blacks do you think the one older white guy is going to save you? Get serious.

Come on Common Sense help me out here. Shine a light on this I'm painting a realistic (this is how it really is) but dark picture my brother. What are some ways a project kid can survive and move up?
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby crackerjack » August 3rd, 2004, 5:22 pm

Okay, I realize I'm naive in this area. I can understand what you're saying. I know that where I come from, it's just the opposite. If you don't grow up as an upstanding citizen, college-bound, etc., you're basically ejected from the community.

I guess here's what I'm saying to those who feel like they can't escape. Yeah, sure, maybe you'll be an outcast in your hood, maybe some dudes will want to kill you, whatever. But there is a world out there that anyone can go to get away from that sh**. You don't have to buy a 500k house. Damn, I can't afford a 500k house, not even close. There are apartments you can get in pretty nice neighborhoods for pretty cheap. It's possible. You can get out if you really want to. The problem is, some people who grow up bangin' don't want to or even realize they can get out of it. And hell no, you don't wait for some rich white folk to take you in, you do it yourself.

It's easy to keep doing what you're doing. It's harder (and more honorable) to take a stand and do what's right and make a decent life. And f**k the guys who dis you for trying.

That's my speech for the day.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby GUNJA SMOKIN » August 3rd, 2004, 5:52 pm

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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Common Sense » August 3rd, 2004, 5:55 pm

crackerjack wrote: The problem is, some people who grow up bangin' don't want to or even realize they can get out of it. And hell no, you don't wait for some rich white folk to take you in, you do it yourself.

It's easy to keep doing what you're doing. It's harder (and more honorable) to take a stand and do what's right and make a decent life. And f**k the guys who dis you for trying.

That's my speech for the day.


Kemosave was very articulate and detailed with his explaining. I will add that some fools in the hood is mentally challenged. Many are from 3rd and 4th generations of dysfuctional poverty stricken families. Many things you wrote about doesn't exist to some people. Have no clue what so ever. Also this is a lifestyle from birth for some. Don't know anything else. As horrible as some of these lifestyles are....it's comfortable for many.

FLIP SIDE:
There are outstanding citizens that live in the inner city and their lives are not chaotic. Good example "The Williams sister's" and many other unsung heroes. Just because you live in the ghetto doesn't mean your mind is of the ghetto.

The people your talking about... their mind is lost in the ghetto soon to become another social service statistic.

Here is a good example.
Your immediate family is ignorant.. all the way back to your grandparents. Most of your neighbors are ignorant. Most of the kids that go to your school is ignorant. Add to that no support system (no one there to say..try it this way not that way), no money, and no encouragement. So you become what you become. The lucky one's figure it out. Sometimes a having a child changes lives. Some may go into the military, and see life from a different angle for once. One or two may make it through sports or academics.

The unlucky one's are dead.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby hyjinx » August 10th, 2004, 3:25 pm

Well watch me jump right in like I have a clue...

I've been sitting at work all day reading this board and just sorta sitting in shock and sadness at what goes on in the world.

I'm not even sure how the hell I ended up here...surfin...link to link and poof there I was. But at any rate.

I'll start out by telling you right off the bat that I'm female and I'm white. I grew up in Colorado and had very little exposure to gangs (other than motorcycle gangs) while growing up. I grew up in a middle class (sorta) neighborhood and had it pretty damn good.

But when I was 17 I shipped off to school...that school had a large population of gang members from LA, Chicago and New York. I ended up being if not friends, at least acquantances with quite a few of those guys. And yes, there were several I considered friends.

I got sick to death of those kids (and they WERE kids) going home for breaks and never coming back. Lots of them didn't come back because during the 5 or 7 day "break" they got shot. What a waste. A lot of those guys were smart and talented.

And several of them WERE trying to get out. They were doing the steps they thought were necessary (like getting a trade) and ended up dead anyway. I really believe anyone who says "get over it and move on" doesn't have a clue. I sure as hell didn't. Not til I met those people.

It isn't that easy to just pick up and move out of poverty. It isn't that easy to just pick up and leave everything you know behind. Especially if you don't have tools to give you other options.

I wish I had answers. I don't. But anyone who says "get a job and move away" needs to buy a clue.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Common Sense » August 10th, 2004, 4:06 pm

^^^Good point.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby dopekid127 » August 11th, 2004, 12:38 pm

hyjinx..nice....good input
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Common Sense » September 8th, 2004, 11:27 am

To babylimpy:

How often are you presented with prison rape cases?

Is this a well known fact within the correctional officer communtity?

What happens to a inmate charged with prison rape?

Do CO seek out silent victms of prison rape?
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby babylimpy » September 9th, 2004, 8:58 pm

Common Sense wrote:To babylimpy:

How often are you presented with prison rape cases? MORE SO THAN NEEDED.

Is this a well known fact within the correctional officer communtity?"OF PRISON RAPE(S) SEXUAL CONTACT,YES. ALSO ALOT OF GAY MEN,PUNKED OUT FOR SEX FAVOR(S).

What happens to a inmate charged with prison rape?ALOT OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN.FELONY SEXUAL ASSAULT(BUT RAPE)ETC ABOUT 1(ONE) YEAR MORE TO REGULAR SENTENCE (CHARGE)

Do CO seek out silent victms of prison rape?
SOME DO ,BUT EVERY GUARD IS DIFERENT HAS DIFFERENT VIEW POINTS
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Anonymous20 » September 22nd, 2004, 8:53 pm

I THINK IT IS A DAM SHAME HOW PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN JUS ABUSIVELY VIOLATE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING,IT'S SAD AND PAINFUL FOR ANY1 TO HAVE TO EXPERIENCE THIS HORRIBLE VIOLENT ACT.MAN,OR WOMAN STRONG,OR WEAK SHOULD ALWAYS HOLD THEIR HEAD UP IN ANY GIVEN SITUATION THEY'D ENDURED.I CAN RELATE AS AN ABUSED RAPE VICTIM AGAINST MY WILL.OUT OF JAIL....REGARDLESS WHETHER IN OR OUT ACTION SHOULD BE INFORCED SEVERLY.THE MAN THAT RAPED ME IS STILL IN JAIL IN BAREHILL FACILITY UPSTATE 13 YRS TO THIS DATE.I WOULD LIKE TO GET A CRACK AT HIM.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Common Sense » September 22nd, 2004, 9:34 pm

BUTTERFLYGURL wrote:I CAN RELATE AS AN ABUSED RAPE VICTIM AGAINST MY WILL.OUT OF JAIL....REGARDLESS WHETHER IN OR OUT ACTION SHOULD BE INFORCED SEVERLY.THE MAN THAT RAPED ME IS STILL IN JAIL IN BAREHILL FACILITY UPSTATE 13 YRS TO THIS DATE.I WOULD LIKE TO GET A CRACK AT HIM.


I'm sorry to hear that you had to experience something so horrible and tragic. I hope you have been able to work through the issues with some help. Im sure it's not easy going through something like that alone.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Kemosave » September 23rd, 2004, 8:46 am

Didn't you already? Didn't you already get up in front of a jury and point him out and tell your story? Wasn't the result him being locked down for years and in the files for the rest of his life. He'll suffer with what he did for the rest of his life whether or not he is remorseful.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Invincible » October 2nd, 2004, 1:20 am

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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby jimmy_tee » October 9th, 2004, 2:50 am

To what Kemosave and Crackerjack were talking about -
I"m from Australias so i'm not quite sure how jobs and opportunites work over in the states, but for hypothetical reasons let me throw a scenario your way.
Lets say a 17 year old black male living in ...watts? has never been in trouble with the law and basically just lived normally throughout his life not joininng gangs but not making trouble with them either. He produces average results at school and wants to attend college and leave his area. If his results aren't good enough for college or the colleges offered dont' have what he wants to study, where can he go?
In Australia, we have apprenticeships where you go apply to say a Mechanic or nearly any trade (Fitter and Turner, Printing Presses). The salary is on average $200 AUS a week and gets bigger every year until you are qualified in that field, usually takes 3 to 5 years.
Do you have these in America?
And what is just stopping some kids from getting small jobs and working their way up for a while?
Ok, Tell me i'm ignorant blah blah blah, how bout just answer the questions without a judgemental look into my middle-class suburban world.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Invincible » October 9th, 2004, 1:21 pm

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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Kemosave » October 11th, 2004, 1:08 pm

That is really a naive comment Invincible. It shows your ignorance in understanding the dynamics of psychology and sociology regarding the projects.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Invincible » October 12th, 2004, 1:49 am

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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby jimmy_tee » October 16th, 2004, 1:19 am

perhaps your the naive one kemosave?
why couldn't someone do those things invincible listed?
and what would u suggest?
complain about the problem but try to come up with an alternative.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Invincible » October 16th, 2004, 1:01 pm

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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Invincible » October 20th, 2004, 10:31 pm

interesting quote from another brotha in another forum:

It's an environmental thing. Put a white boy in compton and watch what happens to him. Put a white boy in orange mound (one of the more violent areas in memphis) and watch what happens to him. He hardens. Violence is part of his everyday life, so committing it is no thing. Everywhere he walks, he's watching his back because he may get jacked for no reason at all.

Another reason is parenting. kids everywhere from hoods to trailer parks are having kids at younger ages. Being kids themselves, they aren't ready to be parents and don't raise their kids right.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby se11 » October 21st, 2004, 12:53 pm

Invincible wrote:interesting quote from another brotha in another forum:

It's an environmental thing. Put a white boy in compton and watch what happens to him. Put a white boy in orange mound (one of the more violent areas in memphis) and watch what happens to him. He hardens. Violence is part of his everyday life, so committing it is no thing. Everywhere he walks, he's watching his back because he may get jacked for no reason at all.

Another reason is parenting. kids everywhere from hoods to trailer parks are having kids at younger ages. Being kids themselves, they aren't ready to be parents and don't raise their kids right.


yea that's true. but it's not a racial thing. if a black kid grows up in a rich white neighborhood with no real street expierence at all, and then you take a white boy who's been living in rough neighborhood all his life, who do you think will be hardeR? the white kid who had to fight his way through most of his life, or the black kid that's spoiled? in most cases probably the white kid. same for every other race. whoever sees more, hears more, expierences more, and learns more, will be smarter, tougher, and have more street credit.

but jail is alot different from the streets. a white kid housed with 30 blacks guys in jail will be alot harder to earn the respect he can earn on the streets because he has nothing similar with these black guys, he knows nothing about them, and they know nothing about him. if the white kid's on the street, he probably lives in the same hood as the blacks, and that's already something in common. he'll live his life like the rest of the people do, and they'll eventully realize that the color of someones skin don't matter. in jail, most people don't usually look at a white kid coming from a bad hood and they stereotype him as an upper class white kid with no real street credit. in jail most times a white guy can't be the same as he was on the streets because he's gettin trouble from all angles. 1.if he tries to get down with the blacks, he may recieve abuse from the blacks for suggesting that, abuse from white supremecy groups for acting as a traitor, and guards may look down on him. 2.if he tries to get down with the white supremecist, that won't be his true self because all his life he grew up with blacks and he wouldn't want to do this. but sometimes things make people change and things happen. an example is that white crip member from the first HBO special bangin in little rock in 1994. he went into jail and now due to "expirences in jail" he's a member of a white supremecy gang. so he went from probably one of the only white boy in the neighborhood down with the crips, now because blacks did something to him in jail, he's a member of a white supremecy gang. that sucks how the blacks still knocked on him and thretened him so much he needed to join one of these gangs. i think his name was cool-aid or sumthn.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Common Sense » October 21st, 2004, 9:23 pm

Do you consider "punking out" somebody or being a booty bandit is the same thing as being homosexual or gay?
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby knoxhustle » October 22nd, 2004, 9:30 am

I did 5 1/2 in the pen and I seen rape on more than one occasion. It happens willfully and unwillfully. It can't be labled like people are trying to do. It happens because a nigga raped liitle kids, it happens because a payment wasn't made, it happens because people are weak or have been "curious" and didn't know it, and it happens because some mutha fuckas is just sick. Either way, the shit is wrong, unless cosentual. I think the homo shit is wrong period, but if a cat ain't choosin to "take one," it's NOBODY'S business to give him one. If you do and you excuse it by sayin you just wanted to take his manhood as a form of disrespect, you are GAY and you can't excuse that. I hate alot of mofo's and I ain't dickin them down cause of it. If you gay in prison, hit up a homo and let that be that.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby Common Sense » October 23rd, 2004, 3:59 pm

knoxhustle wrote:Either way, the shit is wrong, unless cosentual. I think the homo shit is wrong period, but if a cat ain't choosin to "take one," it's NOBODY'S business to give him one. If you do and you excuse it by sayin you just wanted to take his manhood as a form of disrespect, you are GAY and you can't excuse that. I hate alot of mofo's and I ain't dickin them down cause of it. If you gay in prison, hit up a homo and let that be that.

I agree and well said.
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Re: Confronting Prison Rape

Postby knoxhustle » October 24th, 2004, 10:07 am

Thanx. Atleast there is still some common sense out there.
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