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Postby Old Shatterhand » May 12th, 2008, 1:31 pm

I agree with you. Negative liberty (the freedom of the individual) and positive liberty (the right to pursue the common good) should balance and compliment each other.

Most of the criticisms of GTA are justified imo. Especially the socio-medical criticisms directed at exposing young people who have not formed the necessary constructs (social, moral, etc...) to that level of reckless amoral violence really is socially irresponsible. Their brains cannot distinguish on certain levels between what happens in real life and these complex virtual reality worlds.

I would go even further than that and extend some of those criticisms to gangster rap (though there are important differences of course) because the same thing is happening in the brain but not on the same level.

I remember the first time I played GTA III at someone's house I could actually feel mentally/emotionally a disconnect occurring at a deep level. Getting in the car after a couple hours of that I actually had to refocus for a minute before heading out. Now I am a competent responsible adult with the necessary constructs and I felt it.

AllhoodPublications wrote:I can't help but wonder if I made a game like this would I be allowed to put it on shelves and would I find myself in criminal court facing charges for creating a monster like this...

I think its ashame that these people are able to target the kids with such violence and not put huge portions of that money back into the community for educational programs, computer training, and business management.
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Postby Sentenza » May 12th, 2008, 2:11 pm

Yea i agree. I think GTA really sticks out regarding violence and recklessness. Its kind of perverted, hands down.
GTA along with Manhunt are the 2 Games that take it to a questionable level sometimes. I have to admit, that i still used to play them, but kids definitely shouldnt be able to get their hands on them at all.
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Postby Young Deuce » May 12th, 2008, 5:37 pm

i guess this topic is dead now....
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Postby Young Deuce » May 12th, 2008, 5:48 pm

lol...but fa real....GTA IV is overrated to me....it was boring as hell....it got to realistic....i dunno....i live in realityplayin games is a break from it....i can actually say i enjoyed Saints Row more....im not knockin GTA IV...it just felt a lil empty to me...now im like when is that Saints Row 2 comin out....
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Postby TeeKay » May 17th, 2008, 10:49 pm

You actually felt saints row was better than GTAIV?
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Postby YO-B » May 17th, 2008, 11:11 pm

BUT IT WOULDNT BE RIGHT IF GRAND THEFT AUTO 4 WASNT REALISTIC.. SINCE THEY PUT IT ON PLAYSTION 3 AND XBOX 360 WHICH R SUPPOSE 2 BE THE MOST TOP NOTCH REALISTIC SYSTEMS.. GTA 4 WAS GOOD.. I JUST WISH THEY WOULD KEEP IT TO ONE CHARACTER
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Postby Young Deuce » May 18th, 2008, 1:51 pm

TeeKay wrote:You actually felt saints row was better than GTAIV?


i had more fun playing saints row than GTA IV....
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Postby Young Deuce » May 19th, 2008, 8:29 pm

i will say saints row had betta music than GTA IV tho...
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Postby YO-B » May 19th, 2008, 8:32 pm

Young Deuce wrote:i will say saints row had betta music than GTA IV tho...
BUT GTA GOT BETTA RAGGAE MUSIC
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Postby Young Deuce » May 19th, 2008, 8:36 pm

aww i meant betta rap music...
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Postby atm//TONE » May 19th, 2008, 9:18 pm

i dont like how they named the GTA's like there was
GTA
GTA2/ grand theft auto: 1969 london
GTA3
GTA VICE CITY
GTA SAN ANDREAS
then GTA 4
how they decide vice city and andreas didnt deserve numbers
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Postby Mcminister » May 19th, 2008, 10:13 pm

im with young duece.....i thoght the GTA people wud look at saint raw and step they game up....anybody who played saint row last wudnt really like GTA4 as much....GTA4 is a better game no doubt..its longer and w.e but still saint raw was fun thana mothafucka...all them gang beefs and on and off random fightins..and teritory and shit...the story was jst not long enough.......u cant even have ur own car in GTA4 and custome make it n all that..

i remember i use to mob in some black on black SUV in Saint raw.....in GTA4 all i do is take a fuckin taxi....and i dono i thought it was overrated it is the best grame for Xbox360 yea bt people made me feel like it was GODLY

as if u take ur self to the hospital after being shot, or get robbed randomly walkin in the hood, or the traffic is real , u get tickets if u ran a red light infront of a cop type shit..i playe dit its teh same thing jst better graphics, more cars, people. way better missions and u can be frends and shit.

i think they left out stuf u cud do in san andreas which wuda made the game better....like gettin hungry, working out, gettin fat, gettin more weapon skilled as u shoot regularly and stuff like that.........this game got a whole lot gliches too
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Postby YO-B » May 19th, 2008, 10:19 pm

WAT CITY DID SAINT ROW TAKE PLACE IN?
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Postby atm//TONE » May 19th, 2008, 10:31 pm

Mcminister wrote:
i think they left out stuf u cud do in san andreas which wuda made the game better....like gettin hungry, working out, gettin fat, gettin more weapon skilled as u shoot regularly and stuff like that.........this game got a whole lot gliches too
hell yea that whole gun skill shit was tite i loved runnin around with 2 sawn off shotguns
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Postby Young Deuce » May 20th, 2008, 2:03 am

YO-B wrote:WAT CITY DID SAINT ROW TAKE PLACE IN?


in a city called stilwater based off of chicago and detroit...
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Postby YO-B » May 20th, 2008, 8:41 am

^^ OH IGHT.. I GOTTA CHECK THAT GAME OUT
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Postby Mcminister » May 21st, 2008, 1:41 am

Young Deuce wrote:
YO-B wrote:WAT CITY DID SAINT ROW TAKE PLACE IN?


in a city called stilwater based off of chicago and detroit...


u sure bout that...coz the buildin don look like'em cities...
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Postby blkboi » May 25th, 2008, 1:36 pm

Saints Row was really good. Robbing stores was crazy, the first game i could ever do that. Bu GTA, is ALOT more realistic. Saints row was fun, GTA is based on realism now, and they did that shit good. Its hard as fuck to out shot cops in GTA now, in Saints Row...i could go by hours just killing niggas real quick. i think GTA4 is better, and Saints Row 2 is gonna be the worst
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Postby Young Deuce » May 25th, 2008, 3:58 pm

Mcminister wrote:
Young Deuce wrote:
YO-B wrote:WAT CITY DID SAINT ROW TAKE PLACE IN?


in a city called stilwater based off of chicago and detroit...


u sure bout that...coz the buildin don look like'em cities...


thats what the people say its based off of....
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Postby Young Deuce » May 25th, 2008, 4:05 pm

Mcminister wrote:im with young duece.....i thoght the GTA people wud look at saint raw and step they game up....anybody who played saint row last wudnt really like GTA4 as much....GTA4 is a better game no doubt..its longer and w.e but still saint raw was fun thana mothafucka...all them gang beefs and on and off random fightins..and teritory and shit...the story was jst not long enough.......u cant even have ur own car in GTA4 and custome make it n all that..

i remember i use to mob in some black on black SUV in Saint raw.....in GTA4 all i do is take a fuckin taxi....and i dono i thought it was overrated it is the best grame for Xbox360 yea bt people made me feel like it was GODLY

as if u take ur self to the hospital after being shot, or get robbed randomly walkin in the hood, or the traffic is real , u get tickets if u ran a red light infront of a cop type shit..i playe dit its teh same thing jst better graphics, more cars, people. way better missions and u can be frends and shit.

i think they left out stuf u cud do in san andreas which wuda made the game better....like gettin hungry, working out, gettin fat, gettin more weapon skilled as u shoot regularly and stuff like that.........this game got a whole lot gliches too


yeah thats how i feel....except the best game on 360 naw not with games like Halo, Gears, Bioshock, or COD 4......and if they wanted to make it so real they should have kept the hunger shit....but this just my opinion.....give me customization over realism anyday....but its good to have the 2 different types thats why i like saints row and GTA......and SR2 is about ta be raw.....i wonder if they making a true crimes or driver on next gen systems....
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Postby Mcminister » May 25th, 2008, 4:46 pm

that driver game was the shit but it ain good or even half as good as GTA series and all that.

hopefully saint raws 2 will try to get stuff out of GTA4 too..like the chose to kill or not to kill thing...and the double ending.

sometimes folks say that if its too real it becomes wack to play. i do think so but sometimes not......i don like the fact that in GTA4 u cant drive off from the police wen they got they gun at u but u can run away.

lol game glitches are kinda gay too.....i got that crib up on like the northside of Algonquin and i be tryna snipe people but wen u up there , there is no traffic and very few people...and wen u get on hte street the cars are back to normal .
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Postby Young Deuce » May 25th, 2008, 6:06 pm

yeah...and i hope it keeps that same music format...with mostly undergruond rappers....the game just got so many classic songs...big up's to that game fa putting me on ta so many raw rappers...
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Postby Mcminister » May 25th, 2008, 7:07 pm

word ...i usualy use the songs off my ipod in GTA4..but i remember in saint Raw i jst bumped to the radio
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Re: Grand Theft Auto 4

Postby Vincetheprince » July 6th, 2008, 6:41 am

This is a great game, Sniping and blowing the crap out of people (rocket launcher) are the best feelings ever especially when you killa cop or a gangster or a hooker
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Re: Grand Theft Auto 4

Postby perongregory » July 22nd, 2008, 2:37 pm

GTA is trying to make art now, like make film type shit. but I think the next GTA they are gonna bring that stuff back, and you can have your own car in GTA 4 mcminister, you gotta park it in your reserved spot outside the apartments. but san andreas was the shit, they need to brng it back to the west or do chi-town like saints row.
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Re: Grand Theft Auto 4

Postby Sentenza » July 22nd, 2008, 2:42 pm

perongregory wrote:GTA is trying to make art now, like make film type shit. but I think the next GTA they are gonna bring that stuff back, and you can have your own car in GTA 4 mcminister, you gotta park it in your reserved spot outside the apartments. but san andreas was the shit, they need to brng it back to the west or do chi-town like saints row.


Yea it will take a lot to convince me that any GTA can be better then San Andreas.
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Re: Grand Theft Auto 4

Postby perongregory » July 22nd, 2008, 3:28 pm

Sentenza wrote:
perongregory wrote:GTA is trying to make art now, like make film type shit. but I think the next GTA they are gonna bring that stuff back, and you can have your own car in GTA 4 mcminister, you gotta park it in your reserved spot outside the apartments. but san andreas was the shit, they need to brng it back to the west or do chi-town like saints row.


Yea it will take a lot to convince me that any GTA can be better then San Andreas.



They outdid themselves with that one, top quality voice actors, three locations, planes, bikes, motorbikes, cars, customization, plus a gangbangin game that actually kinda resembled some shit they did and do out here, givin shine to the foks on the left side of the map. It was the bomb.
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Re: Grand Theft Auto 4

Postby Vincetheprince » July 24th, 2008, 10:30 pm

I agree with sentenza
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Re: Grand Theft Auto 4

Postby Young Deuce » July 26th, 2008, 3:35 pm

San Andreas is the best one.....if they do a los santos stories.....who would they have? probably CJ brother that died or cesar....
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Re: Grand Theft Auto 4

Postby Vincetheprince » July 28th, 2008, 1:43 am

really?
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Re: Grand Theft Auto 4

Postby Young Deuce » July 28th, 2008, 2:47 am

thats just my opinion its not comin straight from rockstar...
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Re: Grand Theft Auto 4

Postby $outhPhillypuppet » July 28th, 2008, 4:28 am

they need to completely overhaul the endgame structure/gameplay.
Am i the only person that noticed that when you get far into a GTA game it gets kinda stupid?
Look at it like this.
Once I got millions of dollars,several properties and armed guards, what the fuck am i still doing stealing cars and driving myself around?
If im caking like that imma have model bitches driving me around and collecting my cash for me with scheduled head sessions on a bi-hourly basis.
And wouldnt it be cool if you could hire the people that work for you.
you know, like a real boss would.
say a city is cut into 13 sections and you own 5.
since one man can only do but so much work you have to get lieutenants to oversee the day-to-day operations in those sectors.
this opens up the possibility of lieutenants skimming money, talking to police,working together to plan power-moves to get you out and all types of other ish

Now doesn't THAT sound funner then jacking the some dude for his Banshee?
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