Los Angeles tagger brain dead after falling

[alexalonso]

http://www.streetgangs.com/news/101112_ ... ging_falls

crazy, he was only 19 and looks like he will die unless God works a miracle on him.

[femun]

It would be nice if every one of these low-lives would meet the same fate.

[youngspade]

Lol thats racists ^^^

[alexalonso]

It would be nice if every one of these low-lives would meet the same fate.

If every tagger meet the same fate? Wow, that's millions of kids. I hate to say it but you are ignorant for that statement. That's like saying every kid who ever smokes a cigarette, every kid that steals candy, every kid that argues with a parent, dam!

I grew up in the tagging culture and have many friends from within it that went on to make art a part of their life. You are an idiot for that one.

[youngspade]

[quote="alexalonso"][quote="femun"]It would be nice if every one of these low-lives would meet the same fate.[/quote]

If every tagger meet the same fate? Wow, that's millions of kids. I hate to say it but you are ignorant for that statement. That's like saying every kid who ever smokes a cigarette, every kid that steals candy, every kid that argues with a parent, dam!

I grew up in the tagging culture and have many friends from within it that went on to make art a part of their life. You are an idiot for that one.[/quote]

When people make stupid comments you give em one back...makes them feel important...

[MMRbkaRudog]

[quote="youngspade"][quote="alexalonso"][quote="femun"]It would be nice if every one of these low-lives would meet the same fate.[/quote]

If every tagger meet the same fate? Wow, that's millions of kids. I hate to say it but you are ignorant for that statement. That's like saying every kid who ever smokes a cigarette, every kid that steals candy, every kid that argues with a parent, dam!

I grew up in the tagging culture and have many friends from within it that went on to make art a part of their life. You are an idiot for that one.[/quote]

When people make stupid comments you give em one back...makes them feel important...[/quote] I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU SAID THAT. I THINK THAT FOO GOT A LOT OF NERVE, BUT IT'S CRAZY HOW SOME OF THESE TAGGERS ARE. I REMEMBER SEEING 1 ON TV SAY IT WAS WORTH HAVING FALLEN & BROKEN A ARM DUE TO TAGGING HIGH UP SOME WHERE

[youngspade]

Thats jus as stupid as fenums comment

[femun]

[quote="alexalonso"][quote="femun"]It would be nice if every one of these low-lives would meet the same fate.[/quote]

If every tagger meet the same fate? Wow, that's millions of kids. I hate to say it but you are ignorant for that statement. That's like saying every kid who ever smokes a cigarette, every kid that steals candy, every kid that argues with a parent, dam!

I grew up in the tagging culture and have many friends from within it that went on to make art a part of their life. You are an idiot for that one.[/quote]
Your gonna compare tagging to stealing candy and disrespecting their parents? You are nothing but a fool and codler. Tagers are POS and thats all there is to it.

[MMRbkaRudog]

[quote="femun"][quote="alexalonso"][quote="femun"]It would be nice if every one of these low-lives would meet the same fate.[/quote]

If every tagger meet the same fate? Wow, that's millions of kids. I hate to say it but you are ignorant for that statement. That's like saying every kid who ever smokes a cigarette, every kid that steals candy, every kid that argues with a parent, dam!

I grew up in the tagging culture and have many friends from within it that went on to make art a part of their life. You are an idiot for that one.[/quote]
Your gonna compare tagging to stealing candy and disrespecting their parents? You are nothing but a fool and codler. Tagers are POS and thats all there is to it.[/quote] Most of graffiti & shop lifting are petty crimes that are done a lot by teens, so I think he made a good example & I also think you being banned would be a good example. Yoi will not be missed.

[femun]

@ MMRbkaRudog
Ahh come on mijo why do you want me banned. Is it cuz I always school you? Do you think if I weren't around you might actually seem like an intellectual person.

[alexalonso]

It would be nice if every one of these low-lives would meet the same fate.

If every tagger meet the same fate? Wow, that's millions of kids. I hate to say it but you are ignorant for that statement. That's like saying every kid who ever smokes a cigarette, every kid that steals candy, every kid that argues with a parent, dam!

I grew up in the tagging culture and have many friends from within it that went on to make art a part of their life. You are an idiot for that one.

Your gonna compare tagging to stealing candy and disrespecting their parents? You are nothing but a fool and codler. Tagers are POS and thats all there is to it.

What if I tell you I tagged when I was a teenager? Then your words of wisdom would define me as a POS. Tagging was a misdemeanor for years in Cali, and it is an infraction in most jurisdictions. I can compare tagging to most misdemeanors and that's what teens do. Go read a book and learn something.

[alexalonso]

It would be nice if every one of these low-lives would meet the same fate.

If every tagger meet the same fate? Wow, that's millions of kids. I hate to say it but you are ignorant for that statement. That's like saying every kid who ever smokes a cigarette, every kid that steals candy, every kid that argues with a parent, dam!

I grew up in the tagging culture and have many friends from within it that went on to make art a part of their life. You are an idiot for that one.

Your gonna compare tagging to stealing candy and disrespecting their parents? You are nothing but a fool and codler. Tagers are POS and thats all there is to it.

Most of graffiti & shop lifting are petty crimes that are done a lot by teens, so I think he made a good example & I also think you being banned would be a good example. Yoi will not be missed.

Contrary to what others have accused me of in the past, I never banned a person for disagreeing with me. If femun wants to characterize people like Wisk, Soon, Skept, Seen (NY), Kase RIP - NY), Brim (NY), Prime, Legit etc as low lives and pieces of shit, let him continue to show how ignorant he and that view is. Just challenge him back because that position is defenseless.

[alexalonso]

Lol thats racists ^^^

i was going to say that too, or borderline racist.

[judastaugamma]

i don't know about them all dying but i wouldn't mind if they all go away.

hurt ppl's businesses and property, lowers ppl's property values, etc.

wanna tag? join a barrio or gang. tag that up if you want.

gang tags are bad too but at least they have some purpose.

and bangers don't get a pass because "I'M FROM NOWHERE"

[alexalonso]

i don't know about them all dying but i wouldn't mind if they all go away.

hurt ppl's businesses and property, lowers ppl's property values, etc.

wanna tag? join a barrio or gang. tag that up if you want.

gang tags are bad too but at least they have some purpose.

and bangers don't get a pass because "I'M FROM NOWHERE"

They should stop for sure, technically is it vandalism, but I am almost certain that it has no impact on property values. I rather have someone be a tagger than join a gang. Taggers have short careers and it gets played out before reaching 20 for most. Bangin can go on for years and you are more likely to get killed in a gang than a tagger.

[femun]

@alexalonso
Do you know how stupid you sound? How are you almost certain that graffiti has no impact on property values? You are a bleeding heart idiot

[alexalonso]

@alexalonso
Do you know how stupid you sound? How are you almost certain that graffiti has no impact on property values? You are a bleeding heart idiot

I studied the impact on graffiti on neighborhoods and community. It does not have any impact on the property value of a house. It does not. You have a perception that someone tagging on the wall reduces the value of house, but it is absolutely not true, at least in Los Angeles. I have been hearing this for years and it is a great line, but it is untrue.

One of the major factors that reduces the value of property is abandonment and vacancy. When homes go through decay through abandonment and/or vacancy there are a series of factors that will occur, such as weeds growing, squatters, facade damage, etc. You might even see graffiti as a result of the abandonment, but the property is dropping in value because of abandonment and vacancy, not the weeds or graffiti.

Go read a book and learn something and stop spewing you bleeding hear opinions that are based on your narrow perceptions.

[youngspade]

Lollllll

[judastaugamma]

graffiti affects property value, alonso.

you're looking at it in a wrong way.

yes grafitti on a house doesn't cost much, repainting costs nothing relatively speaking.

but prices are set by demand, by the buyer.

you take the same 2 houses in the same neighborhood but 1 street has graffiti and the other doesn't, you'll have different sets of interest from buyers, however slight.

it's all about buyer perception.

list the same exact house but list it as valley glen instead of van nuys and you'll get a different value.

i'm in real estate.

[judastaugamma]

another example is lawns believe it or not.

you have a couple houses on the street with bad lawns and the value for everyone on the street goes down slightly.

buyers always look for the best neighborhood they can afford.

ppl can't see crime rates when you show them a house.

but they see things like graffiti, lawns and neighbors races to give them their perception.

[youngspade]

Hes right i used to be in real estate with my pops

[femun]

You're so FOS Alanso! Why are you such a groupie for low lives?

So you Studied the effects of graffiti on home values huh?
http://graffiti911.com/costs.php
http://www.dougweb.com/faq.html
http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4578332_gr ... value.html

Idiots like youngspade and his cohorts might take take your word as gospel but the truth is you're FOS and if you really care about the people of the ghetto you should stop coddling them.

[youngspade]

[quote="femun"]You're so FOS Alanso! Why are you such a groupie for low lives?

So you Studied the effects of graffiti on home values huh?
http://graffiti911.com/costs.php
http://www.dougweb.com/faq.html
http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4578332_gr ... value.html

Idiots like youngspade and his cohorts might take take your word as gospel but the truth is you're FOS and if you really care about the people of the ghetto you should stop coddling them.[/quote]


Your gay. Who are you again and what are you?? Blood name sound like a fish name.

[Sentenza]

[quote="judastaugamma"]
list the same exact house but list it as valley glen instead of van nuys and you'll get a different value.
[/quote]

Isnt that because its in the ghetto and not because of graffiti?
Lets look at it this way. Would a few tags lower the price of a 5 Million dollar home in Beverly Hills?

[femun]

I'm the guy who is better than you at every aspect of life and don't you forget it.

[alexalonso]

You're so FOS Alanso! Why are you such a groupie for low lives?

So you Studied the effects of graffiti on home values huh?
http://graffiti911.com/costs.php
http://www.dougweb.com/faq.html
http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4578332_gr ... value.html

Idiots like youngspade and his cohorts might take take your word as gospel but the truth is you're FOS and if you really care about the people of the ghetto you should stop coddling them.

I have read about 50 of these types of reports. I actually talked to several police officers from small department in Pasadena, Glendale and Alhambra (back in 1999 or 2000). Although police officers from all these department published the idea that graffiti had a negative impact on property, when asked how it did and where it actually happened, none of them, and I mean none of them could truly make the link. Its a talking point, nothing more or less.

None of the claims made are scientific and the ones that I have been able to follow-up and check their info reveals that graffiti has never altered a property value. Additionally, graffiti is a very easy, quick type, and relatively inexpensive form of vandalism to fix compared to several other types of vandalism. Dont get me wrong, in LA County, people could spend $50 million dollars painting over graffiti in 1 year, but other forms of vandalism are more costly. It actually cost about the same amount of money to clean chewing gum.

While performing the survey quoted above the NoGraf Network was told by the California Realtors Association that by their estimates purchase prices for homes decreased 20% in areas that are victimized by graffiti vandalism. With the median home price in California at the time being $522,590 you are talking about an impact to a property owner of nearly a $100,000. The economic impact of graffiti is immense.

I took the above quote from one of your links and I see this all the time, and I mean all the time. It's a perception my friend. Property values are determined by a variety of things that graffiti has nothing to do with, such as, 1) how close are quality schools, 2) how close to a pollution plant, 3) violent crime rate, 4) population density, although there are some places where values are high and density is high too, 5) the quality of the home, 6) upgrades made to the home, 7) how far or how close is downtown and etc. Graffiti itself has no impact on property values. You may get a realtor say the same thing - dont believe the hype.

[alexalonso]

list the same exact house but list it as valley glen instead of van nuys and you'll get a different value.

Isnt that because its in the ghetto and not because of graffiti?
Lets look at it this way. Would a few tags lower the price of a 5 Million dollar home in Beverly Hills?

Graffiti would never alter the value of someone's house unless if the graffiti was on the house and if an owner was going to get it appraised, he was just take the paint that he has in the garage and paint over it. Or tell the buyer, there is several gallons of paint in the garage that YOU can use to paint over that graffiti but the price is still the same. The idea of graffiti impacting property values is ridiculous and infantile.

There are at least 20 other things that occur in the ghetto that would you would be concerned about before graffiti ever came into your mind.
1. Is there prostitution on the street
2. Whats the deal with all these cheap motels
3, Why are there so many liquor stores in this area.
4. The main roads are terrible and need to be repaved
5. The closest school for my kid is 5 miles away
6. There were 20 people murdered within a 1 mile radius of this house during the last 3 years.
7. Why are there sex offenders assigned to live around the corner?
8. The park does not have a basketball court, no pool, and no track.


I can on and on. Who the fffuck is going to say, graffiti that is going to get removed tomorrow? ridiculous.

[alexalonso]

Hes right i used to be in real estate with my pops

Some people in real estate repeat what they hear about graffiti and property values, but your Dad must not have drank the kool-aid if he was aware of that fact.

Does he still sell homes?

[MMRbkaRudog]

[quote="femun"]@ MMRbkaRudog
Ahh come on mijo why do you want me banned. Is it because I always school you? Do you think if I weren't around you might actually seem like an intellectual person.[/quote] Stupid, I just thought he was going to ban you for talking crap.

Also want to add that I would never want to buy a corner house or property that gets tagged up all the time. I have to disagree with some of Alonso's views on this 1.

[Sentenza]

[quote="alexalonso"][quote="Sentenza"][quote="judastaugamma"]
list the same exact house but list it as valley glen instead of van nuys and you'll get a different value.
[/quote]

Isnt that because its in the ghetto and not because of graffiti?
Lets look at it this way. Would a few tags lower the price of a 5 Million dollar home in Beverly Hills?[/quote]

Graffiti would never alter the value of someone's house unless if the graffiti was on the house and if an owner was going to get it appraised, he was just take the paint that he has in the garage and paint over it. Or tell the buyer, there is several gallons of paint in the garage that YOU can use to paint over that graffiti but the price is still the same. The idea of graffiti impacting property values is ridiculous and infantile.

There are at least 20 other things that occur in the ghetto that would you would be concerned about before graffiti ever came into your mind.
1. Is there prostitution on the street
2. Whats the deal with all these cheap motels
3, Why are there so many liquor stores in this area.
4. The main roads are terrible and need to be repaved
5. The closest school for my kid is 5 miles away
6. There were 20 people murdered within a 1 mile radius of this house during the last 3 years.
7. Why are there sex offenders assigned to live around the corner?
8. The park does not have a basketball court, no pool, and no track.


I can on and on. Who the fffuck is going to say, graffiti that is going to get removed tomorrow? ridiculous.[/quote]

Thats what i was getting at. Environment lowers the price of houses not graffiti. In bad environments graffitis occur more often and the price of real estate is lower, but not because of graffiti, its because of those troublemakers at the corner, but thats why people link those two things.
But in reality no one wants to live in a neighbourhood thats full of crime and messed up people. He could care less about the graffiti. It just comes with it.
I grew up in a middle class area in germany that was clear of any graffiti until the early 90s. There was none, not one tag.
When it started to appear, you best believe the prices of the rents did not fall, they kept rising.
That being said i think wishing death upon taggers is way over the top. They are fools that need to be punished but it definitely is a minor crime and some of it i even consider art, even though illegal.

[alexalonso]

@ MMRbkaRudog
Ahh come on mijo why do you want me banned. Is it because I always school you? Do you think if I weren't around you might actually seem like an intellectual person.

Stupid, I just thought he was going to ban you for talking crap.

Also want to add that I would never want to buy a corner house or property that gets tagged up all the time. I have to disagree with some of Alonso's views on this 1.

Show me someone's house in LA that has graffiti on it, and I will show you 10 other things in that neighborhood that you be way more concerned about. I would never buy a corner house either. I would never buy a house on a major road either. Which view do you disagree with MMRbkaRudog?

[alexalonso]

Has anyone seen the value of a small bungalow house in the worst ghettos of LA cost? Even though the market is down now, LA, SF, NY and other places have always had above average values, neighborhoods with gangs, graffiti and everything else. Graffiti is not even a factor at all.