documentary im tryin ta make

[Past]

Ice cube got a song about LA gangs moving to STL its called my summer vacation, Daz has a similar song called summer vacation too on his myspace.

[Mcminister]

i bet that dude tookie williams and raymond washington never thought wat they was doin gon influence this many niggaz soo far away only after 3 or 4 decades

[A Ghost]

i bet that dude tookie williams and raymond washington never thought wat they was doin gon influence this many niggaz soo far away only after 3 or 4 decades

Even though it started with good intentions, its too bad that it expanded, and hurt blacks so much....

[Mcminister]

word

its wierd how people smile and throw up gang signs as if its a happy thing and a red bandana as if its a scholarship paper
but who ima to speak i cant lie i have thrown up signs too and taken pictures ( not no crip or blood ones )

its like somethin that sucks u in and controls u and with alot of homo'z n tricks in this world u feel like ur fam/gang is the only thing u got, and u start puttin it at a high position like its god and feel like ud kill someone fo disrespectin it, or talkin shit buot it

[Mcminister]

i hate watchin gang documentaries it gives me this wack ass feelin inside

watchin'em video's of peolpe kill eachother is harder than see'in it in real life
the action look way worse on tape, fo me its worse

[Hydro2oo6]

talkin of st lois documentarys, ross kemp(an english guy who makes gang documentarys around the world) did 1 of st louis

here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdA1T4a9 ... ed&search=

its in about 6 parts

[StillNoScript]

Ghost, regarding Whites laughing; If a documentary gets into the elements that lead to gangs, from all angles, racist Whites are not laughing. They hate that because it takes the wind out of their sail as they try to convince everyone that gangs are just evil criminals. The truth is like kryptonite to them. That's why I hope to see a regular feature movie hit the big screen someday that deals with the elements of society that perpetuate and exploit gang violence as well as the gangs themselves. Something like "Lord of War" meets "Menace".

*tsk tsk.

People say movies exploit gang violence, too. But you can make a movie about anything. If gangs died tomorrow, there's a whole world of other things to write about. Prison developers, law enforcement agencies looking to inflate their budgets, on the other hand, would have a problem. Know what I'm saying?

Films, documentary or feature, fiction or non fiction, that only exploit the violence, sex, drama, etc. are useless. It's porn, more or less. But a film that focuses on all elements of the problem are both entertaining and educational at the same time. It's just that we hardly see them anymore, except for on the independent circuit. But who watches independent films? Pretty much, film geeks, and that's it. I want to see something good hit the theaters nation wide, for everyone to see. I want it to have the biggest stars, the whole 9. And, I want it to be realistic and good as f'k.

[StillNoScript]

Sorry to get off topic, Duece. This is your thread. Keep us updated on how things are going along with your project.

[Noog]

I'm not knocking St Louis at all here, just feeling kind of suprised - I'm not suprised about St Lois having gangs, nah, standard in todays world in a biggish city seen - but suprised by the c and b thing still. Even as a way outsider, I could see how those peeps weren't hard-core like many LA clicks. Thats not to say those parts dont have their ish, sure they will, but its still a shame to see so many healthy looking kids tryin to get mobbed up like that - to me those pics lookd more like social club than hard core gang thing and would be better that wayu. Seems a damn shame.

[A Ghost]

Ghost, regarding Whites laughing; If a documentary gets into the elements that lead to gangs, from all angles, racist Whites are not laughing. They hate that because it takes the wind out of their sail as they try to convince everyone that gangs are just evil criminals. The truth is like kryptonite to them. That's why I hope to see a regular feature movie hit the big screen someday that deals with the elements of society that perpetuate and exploit gang violence as well as the gangs themselves. Something like "Lord of War" meets "Menace".

*tsk tsk.

People say movies exploit gang violence, too. But you can make a movie about anything. If gangs died tomorrow, there's a whole world of other things to write about. Prison developers, law enforcement agencies looking to inflate their budgets, on the other hand, would have a problem. Know what I'm saying?

Films, documentary or feature, fiction or non fiction, that only exploit the violence, sex, drama, etc. are useless. It's porn, more or less. But a film that focuses on all elements of the problem are both entertaining and educational at the same time. It's just that we hardly see them anymore, except for on the independent circuit. But who watches independent films? Pretty much, film geeks, and that's it. I want to see something good hit the theaters nation wide, for everyone to see. I want it to have the biggest stars, the whole 9. And, I want it to be realistic and good as f'k.

They may not laugh in the literal sense but they love seeing blacks hurt themselves

[Young Deuce]

I'm not knocking St Louis at all here, just feeling kind of suprised - I'm not suprised about St Lois having gangs, nah, standard in todays world in a biggish city seen - but suprised by the c and b thing still. Even as a way outsider, I could see how those peeps weren't hard-core like many LA clicks. Thats not to say those parts dont have their ish, sure they will, but its still a shame to see so many healthy looking kids tryin to get mobbed up like that - to me those pics lookd more like social club than hard core gang thing and would be better that wayu. Seems a damn shame.

naw most of the pic r of young dudes and i aint really gotta lotta of photographs of them "OGz"......yeah it is a shame but it is what it is....

[Young Deuce]

yea some of'em pics look like its a gang in LA

Naw, not even close...


And I'm speechless looking at these pics...WOW!

all u doin is talkin shit and knockin them....u bascailly tryin ta put out there that these dudes aint real.......and it is niggaz out here that will fuck u up fa they shitand say they r not real kuz of how much they believe in they shit....they might b smilin fa the photos now but they some stone cold killa since 12.....and yeah im serious kuz itz not a joke kuz young dudes like myself are killin theyselves ova some shit they no nothin about.....

[Young Deuce]

Sorry to get off topic, Duece. This is your thread. Keep us updated on how things are going along with your project.

thatz kool i really want ta hear otha peoples side of thing and im glad u said it....

['X']

young dudes like myself are killin theyselves ova some shit they no nothin about.....

Agree, but the cold part is that based on the above comment, you are at least aware and acknowledge that you involved with something that you know nothing about but yet still puttin your life on the line over something you you dont completly understand. I aint knocking you youngsta, but even if you or those out there knew the real about banging, it aint worth dying over....Live homie, be a leader, f!@# the following bs...Peace

[BxxMILITIA]

i respect wut ur tryin 2 do deuce...ima see if i could get a few pics of my hood n the blood homies i kno...

[lou4612]

It is more of a social club. Dumb ass lil spoiled kids wearing $400 jackets AND $150 shoes...and banging for what again.
Those kids dont look poor to me!
I hate this shit..STL banging for no reason at all along with all these other wanna be states.

[kushsmoke]

here go a pic of a hood called 50 Geraldine or just 50 G....they rollin 60z cripz......

sounds like a hood imitating another why not just be called 50 g. not knockin jus curious

[Young Deuce]

It is more of a social club. Dumb ass lil spoiled kids wearing $400 jackets AND $150 shoes...and banging for what again.
Those kids dont look poor to me!
I hate this shit..STL banging for no reason at all along with all these other wanna be states.

right...most of those "spoil kids" have jobs....and/or hustlin.....so what u basically sayin is that ta bang u are dirty and wear throw away shit...get outta here most of those kids gotta hustle kuz they wanna wear the best shit....and i dont see none of them wearin no 400 jackets???maybe some Jz about that much in shoes but not that....but anyway just because they not dirty doesn't mean they not banga...lol those kids dont look poor to me....what u lookin at they make not look poor but look at the background...look how dirty my brotha school look...itz ashame we put in that kinda enviornment....

[Young Deuce]

young dudes like myself are killin theyselves ova some shit they no nothin about.....

Agree, but the cold part is that based on the above comment, you are at least aware and acknowledge that you involved with something that you know nothing about but yet still puttin your life on the line over something you you dont completly understand. I aint knocking you youngsta, but even if you or those out there knew the real about banging, it aint worth dying over....Live homie, be a leader, f!@# the following bs...Peace

i feel u and i respect yo view....

[Young Deuce]

here go a pic of a hood called 50 Geraldine or just 50 G....they rollin 60z cripz......

sounds like a hood imitating another why not just be called 50 g. not knockin jus curious

st.louis is weird because more than 1 hood can claim a gang like 1300 B.O.D. are 6'0z 2....

[Young Deuce]

im doin a section on crip on crip rivalry in st.louis...

the rollin 60z and the kitchen cripz have a heated conflict with each otha in st.louis.....they r the 2 biggest crip gangs in st.louis.......3rd is hoovaz...and then opac.....then othaz.....

the kitchen cripz have even gone so far ta aid blood hoodz against them....and around 04 when the gangs started resurging in st.louis it was talk of kitchen crips droppin the crip and goin with the criminal term that the hoovaz in LA started....

imma focus on talkin bout the kitchen cripz in STL.....

kitchen cripz in st.louis are the 2nd largest crip gang and the 3rd largest gang in st.louis...they have 2 sets....the larger 6 deuce set and the smaller 8-7 set that is from L.A..... 6 Deuces kitchen cripz or 6 Deuce KCG are the primary set and wear orange and blue.....they originated in st.louis....and the 8-7 KCG are the much smaller set with about 3 setz shared with 6 deuces and 1 of there own.....there colors are blue and white.... in grafiiti when u see 2z that standz for 6 deuces KCGz when u see the 7 it stands for 8-7 kitchen cripz....they both wear K.C. hatz....

Kitchenz and bloodz alliance:

im not sure when this happen but some time ago kitchen cripz and bloodz started clickin up...it started with the 63 KCG beef with the 6'0z...hoodz started to allign....u wood see where it sayz Deuces and dogz (6 deuces and bloodz) or 2z, 4z( fa bloodz) & 7z in graffiti....even some hoodz who where onces all blood or all kitchen had a mixture of both...but not all where copperatin some blood hoodz did not like the fact and to this day still diss kitchen cripz and do not accept them in there hoodz....

here is a pic of 2 bloodz and a KC.....




at first i really aint wanna cover this section on here because alotta LA citizenz and not bangaz wood criticize about them bein fake when it happenz in LA....

[Young Deuce]

my bad wrong pic....

[1974GEEZ]

im doin a section on crip on crip rivalry in st.louis...

the rollin 60z and the kitchen cripz have a heated conflict with each otha in st.louis.....they r the 2 biggest crip gangs in st.louis.......3rd is hoovaz...and then opac.....then othaz.....

the kitchen cripz have even gone so far ta aid blood hoodz against them....and around 04 when the gangs started resurging in st.louis it was talk of kitchen crips droppin the crip and goin with the criminal term that the hoovaz in LA started....

imma focus on talkin bout the kitchen cripz in STL.....

kitchen cripz in st.louis are the 2nd largest crip gang and the 3rd largest gang in st.louis...they have 2 sets....the larger 6 deuce set and the smaller 8-7 set that is from L.A..... 6 Deuces kitchen cripz or 6 Deuce KCG are the primary set and wear orange and blue.....they originated in st.louis....and the 8-7 KCG are the much smaller set with about 3 setz shared with 6 deuces and 1 of there own.....there colors are blue and white.... in grafiiti when u see 2z that standz for 6 deuces KCGz when u see the 7 it stands for 8-7 kitchen cripz....they both wear K.C. hatz....

Kitchenz and bloodz alliance:

im not sure when this happen but some time ago kitchen cripz and bloodz started clickin up...it started with the 63 KCG beef with the 6'0z...hoodz started to allign....u wood see where it sayz Deuces and dogz (6 deuces and bloodz) or 2z, 4z( fa bloodz) & 7z in graffiti....even some hoodz who where onces all blood or all kitchen had a mixture of both...but not all where copperatin some blood hoodz did not like the fact and to this day still diss kitchen cripz and do not accept them in there hoodz....

here is a pic of 2 bloodz and a KC.....




at first i really aint wanna cover this section on here because alotta LA citizenz and not bangaz wood criticize about them bein fake when it happenz in LA....

WHUT UP HOMIE I SEE WHAT YOU DOING FOR YO HOME TOWN STATE PROPS ON THAT...A QUICK QUESTION THOUGH ARE THERE ANY GDs VLs BPS 4CH OR MCs IN THE LOU..IVE HEARD FROM DIFFERENT DUDES AROUND THAT THERE IS BLACK SOULS,LATIN SOULS,AND PLENTY OF OTHER CHI MOBS IN THE LOUS IS THERE ANY TRUTH TO THAT?

[Young Deuce]

the only chi gang in st.louis ( as in north, west, south and county) iz GDz.....on the eastside itz way more chi-town influenced with VLz and all them there.....

[SAINTJAYMES]

young deuce do yo thang listen to the critics but dont internalize what they say follow your own heart and mind and you cant go wrong

[1974GEEZ]

the only chi gang in st.louis ( as in north, west, south and county) iz GDz.....on the eastside itz way more chi-town influenced with VLz and all them there.....

Thats cool yall follow str8 up l.a bangin shit or yall bang the five or six like the foolishness in new york? are bloods associated with vls or at some type of peace or naw?.I always thought the lou would of been hardcore bangers like the indiana niggas VLs AND GDs and now plenty of other latin folks out there runing wild thats how gary got that murder rate so high

[TeeKay]

so aside from chi town and LA bangin, what about other traditional St louis hoodz? any big drug clicks? u know the ones that jus rep hoods, not bangin colors

[TeeKay]

Just 1 thing, when it comes to B's C's outside of LA, they never seem to metion just normal black hoods as a presence, its like at times they've forgotten that because its not cool so they acknowledge LA ones 1st, i see duece brought up Kitchens ect, but what about jus normal hoods, the ones that were there before L.A trend hit the city?

[Young Deuce]

the only chi gang in st.louis ( as in north, west, south and county) iz GDz.....on the eastside itz way more chi-town influenced with VLz and all them there.....

Thats cool yall follow str8 up l.a bangin shit or yall bang the five or six like the foolishness in new york? are bloods associated with vls or at some type of peace or naw?.I always thought the lou would of been hardcore bangers like the indiana niggas VLs AND GDs and now plenty of other latin folks out there runing wild thats how gary got that murder rate so high

STL bloods and Crips dont rep the 5 or 6.....and its not alot of VL but Gdz and Cripz are kool under the locz and folkz thing....

[Young Deuce]

so aside from chi town and LA bangin, what about other traditional St louis hoodz? any big drug clicks? u know the ones that jus rep hoods, not bangin colors

every hood in st.louis is eitha L.A. or Chi influenced and naw no big drug gangs.....but there r dudes that can be from a hood but dont claim a gang ( as in if u wasn't a crip but u can still bang 44 bud)

[Young Deuce]

Just 1 thing, when it comes to B's C's outside of LA, they never seem to metion just normal black hoods as a presence, its like at times they've forgotten that because its not cool so they acknowledge LA ones 1st, i see duece brought up Kitchens ect, but what about jus normal hoods, the ones that were there before L.A trend hit the city?

all of them faded away as the people got older....

[TeeKay]

So your sayin all gangs and hoodz now are either LA or chi influenced? like no other black gangs?