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Postby alexalonso » April 21st, 2007, 8:27 pm

Silencioso wrote:The idea that black gangs formed to fight white gangs is a little over played, I think. When ever people talk about white gangs attacking blacks during that period it's always the same gang - Spook Hunters. Where those guys really that powerful? They weren't even in South LA they were in Lynwood and South Gate.


they were the most racist because of the leather coats they had, with a black man being hung. They were in South Gate and Huntington Park and they would cross Alameda, which is South LA all the time. Do your research for the late 1940s. Noone said they were powerful, they were just present and they didn't like black people.
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Postby alexalonso » April 21st, 2007, 8:29 pm

louloutte wrote:Is it gonna come out in DVD? Because i'm in france so i don't have HBO and i wasn't able to watch it. If it'll come out in DVD, I'll buy it.
Hope it will...


the DVD rights are being worked out and it should be out later this year.
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Postby louloutte » April 22nd, 2007, 3:14 am

alexalonso wrote:
louloutte wrote:Is it gonna come out in DVD? Because i'm in france so i don't have HBO and i wasn't able to watch it. If it'll come out in DVD, I'll buy it.
Hope it will...


the DVD rights are being worked out and it should be out later this year.


Thanks for the answer. :)
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Postby Silencioso » May 9th, 2007, 2:18 pm

I'm not disputing there was white racism in the 40's. I'm saying the twenty or so active black gangs in South L.A. in the 60's didn't all start to fight a bunch of dumb Okie low riders from South Gate/Lynwood called the Spook Hunters! Be serious. They started to defend their own hoods from other gangs and for comraderie and all the usual reasons kids start or join gangs.
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Postby StillNoScript » May 10th, 2007, 1:57 am

Silencioso wrote:I'm not disputing there was white racism in the 40's. I'm saying the twenty or so active black gangs in South L.A. in the 60's didn't all start to fight a bunch of dumb Okie low riders from South Gate/Lynwood called the Spook Hunters! Be serious. They started to defend their own hoods from other gangs and for comraderie and all the usual reasons kids start or join gangs.


Just curious, how do you know this? We're talking about 50 years ago. Back then, Blacks and Latinos didn't even have the legal rights that Whites had in all parts of the country, and the LAPD was made up of mostly racist southerners. That gives gangs like the spookhunters (and they weren't the only white racist gang) a lot more ground to victimize and the Blacks a lot less ground to defend themselves. Considering how much documentation those guys like Mike Davis had to back up their claims, it is very likely that the original Black gangs organized to protect themselves from racism that there was no system in place to protect from.
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Postby Silencioso » May 11th, 2007, 1:00 pm

I'm a life long L.A. resident, so you don't have to tell me about L.A. history. I know there was racism against blacks, Mexicans and others.

I did a lot of research a while back on the early L.A. gang history - circa 1940's to mid 1960's -I didn't find any evidence of any big white racist gang population. Most of the white gangs I ran across were just the white version of the basic low rider/greaser/proto-cholo type gang of that era. Gangs like the Undertakers, Black Cross, Dragons, Athenians, Khans etc. Many gangs were mixed between whites and Mexicans or Mexicans and blacks. If there were other racist gangs like the Spook Hunters then name them. We know all the black gangs of that period, all the the Mexican gangs, all the car clubs, even the Japanese-American gangs from that period are known by name. If there had really been all those racist white boy gangs we'd have some names.
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Postby KINGFEAR62 » May 11th, 2007, 1:35 pm

maybe they didnt have that much of a name if u cant find anything about them
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Where can I buy Bastards of the Party

Postby newor1eans » May 16th, 2007, 7:55 pm

Anywhodi know where I could get this DVD. Get atcha boi
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Postby KINGFEAR62 » May 17th, 2007, 3:06 pm

i dont think its out yet
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Postby $outhPhillypuppet » May 17th, 2007, 3:13 pm

you can prolly download it if you know how.
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WTF ?

Postby HateKiller » May 20th, 2007, 3:13 pm

Yo is it true that Cle Sloan was shot in April and now is in a wheelchair ?
Look @ his wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cle_Shaheed_Sloan
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Re: WTF ?

Postby alexalonso » May 22nd, 2007, 6:48 am

HateKiller wrote:Yo is it true that Cle Sloan was shot in April and now is in a wheelchair ?
Look @ his wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cle_Shaheed_Sloan


I spoke to Bone last on May 4, 2007 and I think he would have mentioned something like that to me during that conversation, so I can say as of May 4, 2007, that rumor is not true.
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Re: Where can I buy Bastards of the Party

Postby alexalonso » May 22nd, 2007, 6:49 am

newor1eans wrote:Anywhodi know where I could get this DVD. Get atcha boi


it is not on DVD yet, but i am sure someone recorded it off HBO during Feb and march.
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Postby Mcminister » May 22nd, 2007, 1:18 pm

shows how reliable wikipedia is
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Postby WIP » May 23rd, 2007, 9:27 am

Mcminister wrote:shows how reliable wikipedia is


they even said Sinbad was dead. wikipedia is butt.
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Postby KINGFEAR62 » June 1st, 2007, 4:48 pm

how long did it take to make the movie and were all the dead homies at the end of the movie from apb or were some of them from other blood sets
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Postby alexalonso » June 2nd, 2007, 2:38 pm

KINGFEAR62 wrote:how long did it take to make the movie and were all the dead homies at the end of the movie from apb or were some of them from other blood sets


most of the dead homies were from APB, and it took many years to tell that story, from about 1996 when the first interviews were completed to about 2005 when the last interviews were completed.
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Postby Old Shatterhand » June 3rd, 2007, 7:02 pm

Hey Silencioso,

I am as well. My roots go from the South after the Civil War to Southern California with some relatives arriving as part of the second wave migration that took place after WWII. What you're not understanding is the cultural environment that existed at that time.

After the Civil War, a good number of Southerners moved to LA and Southern California. And their post war auxiliaries outnumbered by a wide margin the post war Union auxiliaries in Southern California. Even today you can still go sit at a Roundtable in Los Angeles or Orange County and talk to the members of the Sons of the Confederate Veterans. The second wave of Southerners (black and white) came after WWII to fill all those factory jobs that had sprung up. I had family that worked in those factories. From this second wave formed the white streetgangs I heard my older relatives talk about and what you hear about here from Alonso.

Southern California was segregated just like the South was and all of the same prejudices existed. Southern California segregation in the schools didn't actually end until 1965 in Riverside. From the post Civil War period until the 1940's minorities, especially blacks, were limited to where they could own property and live. It wasn't until the very end of the 1940's with the Shelley v. Kraemer Supreme Court ruling that banned the legal enforcement of race-oriented restrictive covenants that blacks began to move into other areas. And all Hell broke loose when they did. The whites didn't like it at all.

Southern California in the early 1950s saw its share of racial violence. There were bombings, burning crosses, and even drive bys where whites would fire into black homes. White streetgangs would attack blacks traveling through white areas. I mean you have to realize there were leather jacket wearing white gangmembers in the fifties sporting a noose on the back of their jackets attending Dorsey High School. Think about that. That's in the Jungles now. There certainly were white racist streetgangs intent on maintaining the status quo at that time and they were in Los Angeles, Compton, Southgate, Downey, etc..



Silencioso wrote:I'm a life long L.A. resident, so you don't have to tell me about L.A. history. I know there was racism against blacks, Mexicans and others.

I did a lot of research a while back on the early L.A. gang history - circa 1940's to mid 1960's -I didn't find any evidence of any big white racist gang population. Most of the white gangs I ran across were just the white version of the basic low rider/greaser/proto-cholo type gang of that era. Gangs like the Undertakers, Black Cross, Dragons, Athenians, Khans etc. Many gangs were mixed between whites and Mexicans or Mexicans and blacks. If there were other racist gangs like the Spook Hunters then name them. We know all the black gangs of that period, all the the Mexican gangs, all the car clubs, even the Japanese-American gangs from that period are known by name. If there had really been all those racist white boy gangs we'd have some names.
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Postby Old Shatterhand » June 3rd, 2007, 7:52 pm

Those white gangmembers of yesterday for the most part were not Nazis. They were patriotic Americans whose fathers had fought the Nazis. No, their racist beliefs were a carryover from the South. The current NS ideology you see in the white power gangs of today came out of the NS skinhead movement transplanted from Britain in the early 80's (that had existed there from the Teddy Boy culture of the 50's and the racist skinheads of the 60's) and the gangs that formed in prison and to a lesser extent pre-WWII groups and writers such as Rockwell that had existed since the 1920's that influenced them.

alexalonso wrote:
Silencioso wrote:The idea that black gangs formed to fight white gangs is a little over played, I think. When ever people talk about white gangs attacking blacks during that period it's always the same gang - Spook Hunters. Where those guys really that powerful? They weren't even in South LA they were in Lynwood and South Gate.


they were the most racist because of the leather coats they had, with a black man being hung. They were in South Gate and Huntington Park and they would cross Alameda, which is South LA all the time. Do your research for the late 1940s. Noone said they were powerful, they were just present and they didn't like black people.
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Postby Old Shatterhand » June 3rd, 2007, 7:56 pm

I thought Sloan did a great job with it and the positivity he brought to it was appreciated by the viewing public.

alexalonso wrote:
KINGFEAR62 wrote:how long did it take to make the movie and were all the dead homies at the end of the movie from apb or were some of them from other blood sets


most of the dead homies were from APB, and it took many years to tell that story, from about 1996 when the first interviews were completed to about 2005 when the last interviews were completed.
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Postby KINGFEAR62 » June 4th, 2007, 4:01 pm

he did a damn good job on that movie he should win for best documentry
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Postby KINGFEAR62 » June 4th, 2007, 4:12 pm

does anyone know if bone will make anymore documentrys or maybe going around to high schools where copy cat gangs are and showing the movie?????
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Postby Old Shatterhand » June 5th, 2007, 12:04 am

Sloan will be around the biz for a long time. He's only in his twenties and has his whole life in front of him.

KINGFEAR62 wrote:does anyone know if bone will make anymore documentrys or maybe going around to high schools where copy cat gangs are and showing the movie?????
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Postby mr 503 » June 5th, 2007, 2:49 am

I AGREE THIS WAS A GOOD DOCUMENTARY AND I LIKE HOW HE LOOKED FOR ANSWERS AND DIDNT USE THE SAME ANGLES AS ALL OTHER GANGSTER DOCS. HE WAS ABOUT EDUCATING I GET TIRED IF HEARING PEOPLE HYPING UP THEIR HOOD ON VIDEO AND SCREAMING A BUNCH OF BS. THIS WAS HANDS DOWN THE BEST IVE SEEN
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Postby NICKELS » June 8th, 2007, 6:02 am

YOUNG BLACK BROTHERS NEED TO LEARN ABOUT THIS AND KNOW THERE HISTORY , THIS IS YOUR HISTORY.
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Postby NICKELS » July 4th, 2007, 3:20 pm

KINGFEAR62 wrote:does anyone know if bone will make anymore documentrys or maybe going around to high schools where copy cat gangs are and showing the movie?????


BONE SHOULD START REAL SOON CAUSE LOOK AT THE INFLUENCE OF BLACK GANGS .......UNLESS HE FORGOT TO TEACH ABOUT THE TRUE HISTORY OF BLOODS WAS WHITE ...LMAO :lol:

http://www.freewebs.com/topic62/slobkshit.htm
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Postby 'X' » July 4th, 2007, 4:31 pm

Old Shatterhand wrote:He's only in his twenties



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Postby NICKELS » July 4th, 2007, 10:34 pm

BONE IS IN HIS LATE 30'S
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Postby jungles » July 5th, 2007, 2:48 am

NICKELS wrote:BONE IS IN HIS LATE 30'S


Bone is 40 plus believe that, he aint no young brother. How you going to give some history and you a YG.
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Postby NICKELS » July 5th, 2007, 2:53 am

jungles wrote:
NICKELS wrote:BONE IS IN HIS LATE 30'S


Bone is 40 plus believe that, he aint no young brother. How you going to give some history and you a YG.


YOUR TELLING ME THAT BONE FROM ATHENS PARK IS OVER 40 YEARS OF AGE ?
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Postby NICKELS » July 5th, 2007, 3:15 am

jungles wrote:
NICKELS wrote:BONE IS IN HIS LATE 30'S


Bone is 40 plus believe that, he aint no young brother. How you going to give some history and you a YG.
"Nobody in gangs knew the history of gangs," he told me in a phone interview. "But it's actually linked to the black liberation movement. We're not just dysfunctional niggers who can't get our act together. There was a movement deferred. Instead of wearing blue and red rags today, we could have been wearing berets."

Bone is bright and engaging, a fast but detail-oriented talker whose conversation has an urgency infused by his street experience and by a conviction that the time for change — to somehow recapture that black political momentum lost in the early '70s — is now.

He has a nonprofit group, called Aktive, that seeks to convert active gangbangers into nonactive gang members like himself — guys who belong to a gang but who have sworn off criminal and "negative" activity. This may seem like an oxymoron, but Bone says it works. Aktive steers them into filmmaking workshops and encourages them to atone for destructive behavior by taking part in community food giveaways, toy drives and other events. His own nonactive status was necessary, Bone says, for him to maintain credibility with gangs as he argued with them to move beyond gangsterism into something new and untested. "I'm still on campus, even though I've graduated," is how he explains it.

Bone doesn't believe in dispersing gangs — the family ties are a plus, he says. He believes in "reformatting" to make them and their members productive. This doesn't mean simply giving gang members jobs, as every study on gangs since the 1960s has advised. It means supporting the kind of activities that build a societal connection and a larger purpose.

Bone says the absence of such purpose is especially acute in L.A. "There are lots of jobs here, millions of dollars coming in, but blacks are historically cut out," he said. He says the increasing popularity of gang injunctions — which identify members and prevent them from participating in a variety of activities — reflects the out-of-sight, out-of-mind approach to gangs that often creates more chaos by removing older black males from neighborhoods and leaving younger ones unsupervised.

And yet Bone has hope. It is based less on reality than on faith that we will all agree that, like global warming, the gang problem will be seriously addressed in the next decade or we risk perishing together. "Unfortunately, we are a very reactionary people," Bone said, referring to blacks. "We're not proactive. But the West is a cornerstone for black liberation. We influence all of America, starting with the Panthers up north. Our situation is emblematic. This is our last stand."

I agree with Bone. And though I find his hope inspirational — the sheer fact that he has any — I don't share all of it. Crime is down in the city, but gang crime is on the rise, with blacks increasingly the target of Latino hostility. "The State of Black California" report issued last week by the Legislative Black Caucus confirms the dire condition of African Americans by just about every sociological measure — hardly news, and information that repeatedly falls on deaf ears. Official recognition that blacks are officially flailing in California, the land of last and best opportunity for just about everybody, makes me want to crawl under a rock.

Don't, Bone says. His answer for the madness is action, something he says is paramount for black men whose wasted lives come down to having too little to do. "Do something, nigger, if you only spit," Bone said, quoting "Bunchy" Carter, a former Black Panther.

At 37, Bone has done a lot more than spit. It's a challenge that I, at 45, have no choice but to take on . says the writer.

IT SAYS BONE IS 37 YEARS OLD , THIS ARTICLE WAS DONE IN FEBRUARY 2007 , :shock: :shock:

AND IM THE Y.G. !?.......JUNGLES , AND YOU LIVE NEAR HOMEBOY IM GUESSING , BY THE SCREEN NAME.
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Postby NICKELS » July 5th, 2007, 3:18 am

At 37, Bone has done a lot more than spit. It's a challenge that I, at 45, have no choice but to take on . says the writer. - LA TIMES , NEWSPAPER , FEB 2007
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