Your opinions on Eminem?

[SpacerLoco]

What is everyones opinion here on Eminem. I ain't a fan at all, to me he is a gimmick, he don't rap about anything that I can relate to and his voice just plain pisses me off.

[bgcasper]

i think eminem is out of topic cause to me he have nothing in comon with both street and gangs ,so i don't feel like posting comment on his ass cause he have nothing to do with our lifestyle ... its like asking whats your opinion on britney spear ,i think its out of topic but i agree it can be fun to see how civilians see this guy , they may think him and dre are riders it can be possible that some dummys have this opinion(to me him dre and xbich are sucking each others nuts behind close doors) ,nothing is impossible just have to look at 2pac alive posts to realise how many dumm ass ignorants bustaz are posting stupid opinions about things they don't know s-hit about ,but they have to realise that santa clause doesn't exist ,and tupac is dead ....

[thesoulsedge]

i don't much...but i think Em is pop music. i like his flow...i like him on patiently waiting with 50 Cent...but Em scares me because i think others might come to "steal" hip-hop...it's like an irrational feeling that hip-hop will be taken away...but i can't really blame Em...but sometimes i do anyway.

[SpacerLoco]

Yeah thats one that really pisses me off, how all of his teeny-bopper fans think he is some sort of gangster and they know nearly nothing about rap and try speak to you about it, that drives me mad!

[Rossonero]

Unfortunately rap is changing like any other music industry. It's evolved to the point where Eminem is doin it, and actually selling records. I like his stuff, but I am old enough to know he's no g and he talks a lotta noise on his records. It's all for his image and I think Em's head has gotten a little bit big. I just wonder if we'll ever see gangsta rap like N.W.A. -- straight outta Compton...I guess now it's more just "rap" period. It pisses me off that all the young Eminem fans think he's a thug or some crap too...50 Cent's not a thug either! People just won't do their homework.

[SpacerLoco]

I really hope for a return to the Gangster rap of the mid 90's with those laid back G-funk beats and tight raps, I've had enough of the commercialism that is so prevelant, I hope when Crooked I comes out he can do this but he needs the right production.

[bgcasper]

the majors are controled by the east coast and east coast ain't about gang culture and they ain't lay back so we need to boycot the east put heats on hip hop radio djs (most of them ain't from the hood )and suport our independant artist that are existing ,here's a list of guys that are doing g funk like in the good old days ,gangsta laid back :

brownzville :
they samoan dogs from carson and the title breezin' is a classic

doc cee :
compton ex piru but he don't set trip he got a good album out

daddy v :
compton crips he got an album and a video out ,nice

foesum:
long beach they have 2 album out the new one just came out this year

deesta dee :
from NFL ridaz got an album out with laid back g funk tracks

i know some more but they sound east so i don't suport they ass ....

[thesoulsedge]

Hey ya'll, CNN has a story today about a new white female rapper called "Sarai". They are calling her the female Eminem. The suburbs are comin' to the rap-game in full force...what do you think?

Sarai: The female Eminem?
Rapper hoping for success in tough market
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 Posted: 1441 GMT (10:41 PM HKT)



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NEW YORK (AP) -- Eminem has disproved the notion that white boys can't rap. White girls, on the other hand, have had almost zero impact on the genre in its 30-year history.

Remember Tairrie B? Probably not. Wait, there's ... hmmmm. Actually, the most influential white woman in rap history may be punk princess Deborah Harry, whose rhymes in the 1980 hit "Rapture" helped take rap mainstream.

But now a new face, Sarai, is raising hopes that there might be someone new -- a Feminem -- to go where none have gone before.

"Eminem has definitely opened people's minds, that there could be a white artist actually mastering the skill," says Sarai, a 20-year-old, blue-eyed blonde from Kingston, N.Y., about two hours north of the city where rap was born.

Her debut album, "The Original," was released by Epic Records last week. The first single, the party song "Ladies," has been getting airplay on hip-hop stations and MTV.

One of Sarai's producers is Scott Storch, a founding member of the hip-hop band The Roots who's worked with artists ranging from Eminem to Christina Aguilera.

Storch says when he first heard Sarai, "she was doing something different than I had ever heard before, sort of hip-hop with a white female, and actually bringing it off like a real sister. I was a little surprised and definitely a little intrigued."

Little history

Eminem, a protege of Dr. Dre, is one of the few white rappers to have earned success and respect.
Until the superstar producer Dr. Dre ushered Eminem into the rap game in 1999, white people had a checkered history in rap. Unless they completely dissed their white heritage -- like the late 1980s group 3rd Bass -- or delivered comedy -- like the early Beastie Boys -- they were usually dismissed.

And who could forget street poseur Vanilla Ice of "Ice Ice Baby" fame, who will go down in history as the Pat Boone of rap?

Even considering Vanilla Ice, rap has been worse for white women.

"I never came across a white female rapper who could rap," says Damon Dash, the Roc-A-Fella Records co-founder who helped put Jay-Z on the map.

A few have made blips. Eazy-E had protege Tairrie B, described back then as the Madonna of rap (she's since gone metal). The trio Luscious Jackson has gotten attention, though more from the rock contingent than the rap community.

Currently, the trio Northern State has gotten good reviews, and the group Fannypack, which had a minor hit this summer with the novelty song "Cameltoe," has a white rapper.

But for the most part, coming up with names of notable white female rappers seems like a challenging game of Trivial Pursuit.

Dash says that's "probably because there hasn't been anyone good enough. I mean, Eminem was like the first real good white male rapper."

"It's hard enough for any kind of female rapper to stay in the game and compete with the male rappers, so being white and being female makes it all that much harder," he said.

'We've got a lot of racial issues here'
Princess Superstar, a sexually frank white rapper sometimes called the white Lil' Kim, can attest to that.

"We've got a lot of racial issues here, and sometimes it plays itself out in the music game," says the rapper, who puts out her music on her own label. "Any white female rapper is going to fight against being considered a novelty."

It's hard enough for any kind of female rapper to stay in the game and compete with the male rappers, so being white and being female makes it all that much harder.
-- Roc-A-Fella Records co-founder Damon Dash


In addition, since rap is as much or more so about the street life than black life, white acts are often rejected for not having street cred.

Sarai's official bio makes it clear she wasn't a child of privilege, noting she's the daughter of a "single mother" and mentioning she took jobs to help support her family. She says she grew up in a multi-racial neighborhood with "all different kind of income levels."

"Everybody thinks that I'm from a big white house and this white picket fence and my parents bought me a Mercedes on my 16th birthday," she says.

Sarai says she grew up listening to Public Enemy, the Notorious B.I.G. and Tupac Shakur. She got her break when she met a producer in Atlanta during a vacation with a friend; she's lived in that music hotspot for the past four years.

Sarai describes her sound as more mainstream than hardcore rap, and her personality seems to bear that out. She describes herself as a "loving person" and doesn't pepper her talk with street slang (or even curses, catching herself before uttering a cuss during a recent interview).

Whether Sarai will make it big remains to be seen. But Dash says if she has the skills, she'll be accepted.

Record companies "are always looking to break a white rapper. They're always looking to break a white anything," laughs Dash. "If somebody is white and they can rap, that means MTV, that means middle America."

But Sarai says she hopes people eventually look past her skin color and see just another rapper.

"It's always gonna be, 'Yo, it's a white girl,' " she says. "Eventually, they have to look past it."

[whitekid]

I hate feminem. I hate his fans to.

[pico]

I'm neutral on Em. He got talent, there's no doubt. But, like a few people have said, he doesn't rap about anything you can relate to. But, he could be use. Cough cough um Vanilla Ice.

[Rossonero]

I disagree. I can relate to his songs, although I understand that others can't cos he can't rap about gangsta stuff. He sticks to what he knows and I respect that, even if he does talk a lotta trash on records.

[thesoulsedge]

I see alot of uninformed stuff about Eminem.

The first thing that needs to be established is his identity. If you look into it, you will notice that Eminem has a few personalities...each with its own rap style...

Slim Shady---This is the persona he invented with D12. So Shady is a reflection of the group D12 along with Kaniva and the rest of them fools. Shady is more of a "gross out" rapper.

Eminem--This is the more "hip-hop" so-called underground part of him. Eminem is rapping on "Patiently Waiting" with 50 Cent. But "Slim Shady" is raping on "Devil's NIght" with D12. If you listen it's a different voice and a different style. Con Artis talks about this in a interview on the Internet.

Marshall Mathers--Marshall Mathers is the "real side" of the rapper. It was "Marshall Mathers" who was married to "Kim Mathers". That part of his identity comes out with songs like "Cleaning out my closet". That cut is about "Marshall Mathers" talking about his real life problems. It's different from that "gross out" shyt that Shady does and it's different from the street hip-hop that Eminem does.

So talking about this guy is like talking about three people. If you don't trust me on this, just look at d12 interviews when the members talk about the difference between Em, Shady and Mathers. Shady came out of D12 and Em came out of underground hip battles.


The mofo is complicated but I must say that I like "Eminem"...the hip hop aspect of him on 50's "Patiently Waiting" (listen to him)...but sometimes "Shady" bugs me cause he whines and talkes about blood and guts...it seems a bit like Insane Clown Posse (ICP)

[pico]

SE, you're very much on point.

[wcrockets]

He's just another silly skinny white boy to me trying to sell you that he's hard. I knew a lot of them growing up in SoCal. Wait, come to think of it I was one once. Of course that was before I met a gang of _ _ _ kids. Lol.

[thesoulsedge]

wcrockets...i disagree with you totally on Em. And I CHALLENGE you to look further into it. Read on:

Here is "Shady" on "My Name Is..." (radio version)

"Hi kidz/Do you like violence/See me stick nine inch nails into my eyelids"

This is the "gross-out" part of his personality: Slim Shady. This is D12 stuff. You CAN'T understand this stuff if you never listened to D12. What rapper talks about "sticking nails" into his own eyelids? It's the "gross out" style of D12 and Insane Clown Posse. The reason why some people don't like it is because it's not "pure street". Have you ever heard of "Marilyn Manson" that guy who paints his face, talks about Satan and gets gross on stage. Well, "gross out" rap is mixed with that stuff. It's not "pure to the hood".

Pure "gangsta rap" might talked about a glock or a drive by. But "Shady" (D12,ICP) talk about cutting people's heads off. For example, on "My Name Is..." Slim Shady (Not Em, Not Mathers) says,
"by the way/if you see my dad/tell him I slit his throat/in this dream I had" This lyric is "hard" and "on hit". Kidz fear their parents...so it's bold for SHADY to openly talk about sliting his fathers throat.

Now for futher EVIDENCE let's look at a lyric by EMINEM (the hip-hop, ghetto aspect of the artist):

Dont let me lose you Im not tryin to confuse you
when I let loose with this uzi and just shoot through your Izuzu
You get the message am I gettin through to you?
You know whatz comin you motherfuckerz dont even know do you?
Take some Big and some Pac and you mix them up in a pot
Sprinkle a little bit yellow on top, and what the fuck do you got?
You got the realest and illest killaz tied up in a knot

See how Eminem IS repin' the hood while Shady IS repin' "gross-out" style. Notice how Eminem has a "street voice" while Shady has a "high pitched" voice.

For my final evidence, I offer lyrics from "Cleaning Out My Closet". This is "Marshall Mathers" (Not Shady or Em):

I look at Hailie and I couldn't picture leavin' her side. Even if I hated Kim, I grit my teeth and I'd try / to make it work with her at least for Hailie's sake. I maybe made some mistakes but I'm only human. But I'm man enough to face them today.

I DON'T even have to explain that this is "Marshall Mathers" rapping. A blind man can see that these are not the words of "Shady" or "Em".

Nuff said...give me props for analysis...this time around...

[whitekid]

hahah you think eminem is gross, try listening to Necro and his brother Ill Bill, those two are fucking disgusting.

[BIG DUSTY LOCO]

eminem is a good artist, good rapper. He's pretty original in his content (who else would talk mess about their momma than a whiteboy), his delivery is original(unlike a lot of rappers who now bite other peoples exact words and flip it to a recycled "hot" beat of the moment". Other than that, that's all he is, just a rapper. Why make him more than need be?

Try church or the mosque, or temple for some direction.

[wcrockets]

I'm not surprised that you guys like him because most people today do. But I just find him silly. You have to understand that my perspective is different. I'm an older white man who grew up on the streets of Cali hanging with tough white boys.

Some of you may remember them driving around the Ford and Chevy late 50's pickup trucks. Handing out and receiving broken limbs, noses, black eyes, fat lips, etc.. Most of the guys when they caught someone stealing something off their ride, the thief went straight to the emergency room; screw jail.

I look at him and think he would have been clocked within five minutes if he had run up on the crowd I was with in our early twenties talking that way. You have to understand that back in the day most of those boys weren't putting on tats to be cool or fashionable. They would have told you that fashion was for fags. It was really because they wanted to be evil. But they loved their mothers and for respect alone would have beat him for what he says. They would have beat up poor Enimem and stuffed him in a trash can on their way to party.

I know you guys aren't feeling me because you don't come from that place. Some of you come from far worse and as a result give the guy way too much credit for what he says in his lyrics (can you feel that reality?)

Dre is something different. Dre is real.

However, keep feeding him as is your right if you like him though. I believe in you guys and know you are for real so we just have a different perspective on him is all. Understand I'm not hating on him I'm really not. He just wouldn't have fit in.

One more thing. I certainly wasn't the toughest in that crowd and probably would have talked to him and tried to see where he was coming from and maybe humored him. But nobody I knew in the day would have taken him seriously. You needed more than words or money to hang with that crowd. You had to be a good fighter and have a good rep. Plain and simple.

[BIG DUSTY LOCO]

WC,
Most of the white boys in the hood were just like you. In the city (not from Beverly Hills or the Palisades), most of the white boys were down, if not crazy. They were down cats who were into race bikes, muscle cars, robbery, and any other form of thrill-seek type adventure. I'm talking about the white boys that came from the working class, not the spoon fed spoiled brats from the non-LAUSD schools...LOL. It's not brain surgery that you don't get eminem's style, he's just a nerd, he couldn't hang in your world no doubt. I knew some white boys that were pretty crazy in their own right, I mean they held down their own, just like you described. They were just regular working-class kids just like the rest of us. This eminem this is just rap, he raps about stuff the kids can dig, stuff that's real common across race/gender...plus he's got big bank jimmy iovine behind with the marketing/promotion, with DRE's beats...skys the limit. I think he's the last great white hope in rap, if your familiar with that term...ha ha. No dis intended. But he's the only white cat that can hold his own on a freestyle with most MC's. There's this kid named EYEDEA that can freestyle off his ass like nothing, but they aren't able to push him out like they could with Eminem. Eyedea got a busted grill, grungy lookin' cat, so he probably would be hard to push recordwise. By the way, around where did you grow up if you don't mind me asking. PM me on this if you want to...holla back...

[bgcasper]

well you and your boys take care of feminem , me and my boys we gonna put gay dre in the trash for being a bitch ass buster and claimin compton ...gay dre have talent but the nigga went hollywood ,he never was from the street anyway ,don't get fooled being black and from compton doesn't make you a gee !!! its prejudice we have gays in compton we have busters in compton ....the nigga was a doin techno with his homie lonso before he met eric who was an obg from the cpt ,the niggas had tickets he was so broke that he got busted over unpaid tickets the nigga eric bailed him out and he did boyz in the hood to pay him back the rest is history lol and the busta name cube wrote the rimes ,to pay him he bought him a pair of shoes and some bublegumz ,eazy e was str8 hutsler he knew how to deal with those tricks ....cube and dre never was street niggaz ...ren and eazy yes ....

[thesoulsedge]

i hear you wcrockets...i think you were really hangin' with a tough crowd of white boys...i only knew one such person in lbc...for you, eminem is not tough...and i agree with you that he's not so tough...

i'm only saying that he has "three personas"...each with its own style...

from reading your post, i'm almost more interested in your discussion of life in the 20s...why don't you find a spot and start a "topic" on gang-life in the 1920s...that must have been during prohibition...when alcohol was illegal...

tell us more about that...

[BIG DUSTY LOCO]

se,
I think he meant in his "20's" as in his age, not the year 1920...

[wcrockets]

Sure enough BDL. I came up in Lakewood, graduated HS, three days later was in boot camp.

bgCASPER, you know I always listen to your opinions too. I liked EasyE bro and felt he was disrespected. But the burbs don't know that and thought it was real so they coughed up for whatever was put down by Dre after that. Still, Dre could come up with some beats in the day and because I didn't grow up in the city of Compton, I didn't understand the subtleties and made the mistake to a degree of giving him too much credit like so many young people do today with Eminem.

[wcrockets]

Yes I was in my twenties. NOT the 1920's. Thank you for pointing it out to avoid confusion. Peace.

[wcrockets]

Though I was never in a gang or deep, I understand that some of you are/were and have. And what I do know is six years is a long time to live like that. I got a taste.

But I'm glad I changed at 24 and have really stuck to a positive track ever since (during both the hard times and the good times). I thank God for real. Peace.

[BIG DUSTY LOCO]

That's cool WC. I've been around that way several times. Rollin' around Bellflower just cruising to "Fritz"...heh heh. I know you have to know about that spot!

[Fre$h]

But he's the only white cat that can hold his own on a freestyle with most MC's....

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. There's a gang of dope white mc's out there, but they're all underground. To list a few white mc's that could murder Eminem on the mic, just off the top of my head, would be; El-P, Aesop Rock, Cage, Copywrite, Y@k Ballz, Eyedea(as you mentioned), Necro, Ill Bill, Goretex, Sabac Red...there's dozen's of dope white mc's in the industry. The problem, if you want to think of it that way, is that they don't have the same exposure as Eminem does with his major label backing. One of the main reasons that Eminem sells so many records, is because he makes easily digested pop music. It's corny to me, it's like a cartoon on record, which is why I never got into his music. I think he's a damn good mc, but he's not the best out there, by far.

[moonstomp]

I think (as a white kid from the midwest,not at all afilliated with gangs) that Eminem has some good music. I understand that it may not be traditional "gangsta rap," but sometimes you just need to look past that. The same thing has happened in how many other genres. From rock'n' roll going from greaser to every old lady, to punk going from '77 street punk and oi! to Green Day and Blink 182. And even techno, going from house, trance, D&B, etc. to Moby and "I'm blue, dabadee." It happens. You don't have to like it. But every genre gets too popular for its own good sometimes. Hip hop/rap/r&b are what's in right now. It may not be in the original vein, you may not like it, but you have to admit, Eminem's got talent.

[thesoulsedge]

yes...you are quite right about Em...he's not "pure ghetto" but he has developed a few styles that appeal to lotz of different people...

as for Eazy E...that guy was a pioneer of gangsta rap...but there was some "bad business deal" between him and Dre and Ice Cube...everything just blew up...then he got AIDS

sad situation...

[intramix]

Feminem
is just yap'n about all his fantasies and hallucinations mayne

hal·lu·ci·na·tion (h…-l›”s…-n³“sh…n) n.

1.a. False or distorted perception of objects or events
with a compelling sense of their reality, usually
resulting from a mental disorder or as a response to a drug.
b. The objects or events so perceived.
2. A false or mistaken idea; a delusion.

His game is as fake as those marks that are buying it...STR8 up.

[wcrockets]

Well you know.. lots of people had hard luck lives and aren't running around trying to get movies made about it.

I have to give him this though: he said he wanted to put his hometown of Detroit on the map. That's cool with me. Detroit has it's own thing with a lot of history.

I hear that it can be (doesn't have to be for everyone of course) kind of a grim place to grow up if you're black though because of the black on black violence which kind of belies the whole techno/house thing.

http://www.northernalliance.ca/Writing/ ... ruined.htm claims that "Detroit’s murder statistics are so grim that they push the entire state into the top of the league for black homicide. In the 15-24 age bracket, 232 black men for every 100,000 can expect to be killed every year. Washington (DC) trails far behind at 139. For whites of the same age, the murder rate in Michigan is 6.6 per 100,000, which means the state is 35 times more dangerous for young blacks than it is for young whites. Virtually all blacks are killed by other blacks."

[wcrockets]

I hear what you're saying moonstomp about people's favorite artist/band/genre getting too big to fit into their hip pocket anymore. Though the band is off genre here Metallica found they had the same problem as they got big.

Still, if you like skinny twirps shooting their mouths off.. lol, then go ahead and buy Eminem. I guess I just don't get hyped off that. I feel the same way about those little guys thinking their G's too like bow wow etc.. It's silly to me. But amusing. I am amused.

I won't put that on a lot of the musicians who actually pen their own beats though. Takes more than being pissed off to learn how to write/read/create actual music.