Music video w/SOS & suicidals

[Sentenza]

Thats the symbol of a strong culture

No one ever doubted that. To me its also a very likeable culture, as i have some mexican friends.
But the way you overstress that makes it look like you are more insecure & doubtful about that then anything else.

[mayugastank]

Thats the symbol of a strong culture

No one ever doubted that. To me its also a very likeable culture, as i have some mexican friends.
But the way you overstress that makes it look like you are more insecure & doubtful about that then anything else.

Not even I have just found mexican people-or more so mexican american people lacking in knowledge to what they have contributed to the world street culture. Afterall almost entirely everything that is "cool" to youth comes from USA. Many chicanos dont even know -that the oldest gangs are mexican american and that they are located here-nor do they know that we have a whole style of chicano art seperate from the mexican culture-and they dont even see how -"others" have adapted and adopted so much of our culture. I stress it because I hope that some chicano comes by and reads it and wakes up like dam hes right!.....There was a thread on here speaking on the origins of gang culture( of which is synonomous with street culture) and we had chicanos dating our gangs to the 1940s....yet in ELA that is still a fairly new gang. Now after continously stressing that the oldest modern and still thriving gangs in America are here in ELA -I finally got blacks to admit that there is not a one black gang in America with the history of ELAs -half dozen gangs. 38th st....Clovers....Dogtown....El Jardin....Maravilla.....White Fence.....and many more *....these so called "gangs" have taken street culture in America and in many ways made it what it is. Yet at every turn we have either ignorant people denying the truth or downright hating and lying. So by me stressing it I make sure -to -keep that focus.I mean you yourself posted a picture where you could plan as day see the styles of SOS and how they took just about everything from black and chicano gangs,of which black gangs in America took whole swaths of our stilo to make modern day crips and bloods. This east coast -versus west coast rivalry...in reality is a battle amongst the trends of the blacks in NYC against the trends of the chicanos of ELA..for the heart of Americas street . I dont think Ive heard anyone verbalize or put it so much into perspective, as I have been able to

[MCD]

AT 2:05 this plastic cholo calls mexican people wetbacks and says he going to make us run to the border....well then can we have our clothes,demeanor,slang,gang signs,tattoo patterns....back before we leave?

Thats some foul shit. You are right.
But its gang banger slang if i remember correctly. Well at least i have heard black gangs calling mexicans wetbacks too or mexican gangs calling blacks "mayates", asians "chinks" etc. Do you get offended by that too? I doubt it. And by the way, if you take your tattoos with you, then you gotta find a new word for that. Why? Cause "Tattoo" is a polynesian word. They laid the foundation long before any mexican person even existed in America (and blacks and whites too of course).

And by the way. Before America even existed: Gangs existed, gang signs existed, slang existed, tattoos existed. Not the way they do now. But to claim its completely original is out of bounds for any of these things.

alot of chicanos call mexicans wetbacks/mojados. It's used the same as paisa, the ones that come over here and try to look down on chicanos for not knowing every word in the spanish dictionary get disrespected. I will never understand that shit. My abuelito is puro mexicano, lived in East Los n his parents were from Mexico and he doesn't give mexicans shit for not speaking spanish, neither did his parents. But for some reason paisa's think every mexican desendant in America should be fluent and that's why chicanos disrespect those ones n call them wetbacks.

Most people use wetback as a slur for any mexican, even if he was born in the US, which means he couldn't be a wetback.

[Sentenza]

alot of chicanos call mexicans wetbacks/mojados. It's used the same as paisa, the ones that come over here and try to look down on chicanos for not knowing every word in the spanish dictionary get disrespected. I will never understand that shit. My abuelito is puro mexicano, lived in East Los n his parents were from Mexico and he doesn't give mexicans shit for not speaking spanish, neither did his parents. But for some reason paisa's think every mexican desendant in America should be fluent and that's why chicanos disrespect those ones n call them wetbacks.

Most people use wetback as a slur for any mexican, even if he was born in the US, which means he couldn't be a wetback.

Hmm, i guess its the usual problem of immigrants, that some identify with their original heritage and some with their new home and between those you are going to have tensions.
From what i heard there are also many Chicanos in LA pissed at immigrants and fighting immigration for the same reasons white and black people do it. Because they are scared to lose their jobs to them, scared of crime etc.
My girlfriend is the daughter of immigrants too and she is facing the same problems with her people. She is very educated and speaks 6 languages, but some of her people consider her a traitor because she is mingling with a german, not staying true to her roots the way she is supposed to be etc. BS in my eyes.
Its some fake pride i guess, also with the paisas i mean. If you are in a foreign environment people tend to cling to their roots even more then the people back at home, you know what i mean?

[mayugastank]

No its on the usual problem of recent arrivals versus native born chicanos. This video is an outright racist hate speech ...for anyone who just entered this thread at 2:05 -this Samoan calls mexicans WETBACKS and tells us to get back to the border -while dressing like a wetback and getting his whole demeanor from one. Its jealousy pure and simple. They cant stand looking like the idiots they do -samoan blood, asian crip, dressing mexican ....what a freaking joke. Be yourselves. Go chop down a cocunut tree or pray to buddha -stop fronting you look goofy ESE.

[Rudog]

I think someone is exaggerating on a thread once again. I could see why what the Samoan said sounded offensive, but I think it could mean what someone else said & he also could've just been talking about immigrants. Doubt he hated all Mexicans & looked dressed in typical 90's fashion.

[mayugastank]

I think someone is exaggerating on a thread once again. I could see why what the Samoan said sounded offensive, but I think it could mean what someone else said & he also could've just been talking about immigrants. Doubt he hated all Mexicans & looked dressed in typical 90's fashion.

Typical 90s fashion there you GO!!! trying to take the style of cholo dress and incorporate it to everyone....YEA!.....how about the gang signs and gang tatts in the fashion of a VATO? lets face it samoans are ashamed of what they are thats why they drop the hulu skirts and pick up the dickies and act and live like a vato --who by the way have been in that fashion for 110 plus years starting with DOGTOWN 13 in 1890 ...to present day /phonie ass fool

[buLLetxx2]

I think someone is exaggerating on a thread once again. I could see why what the Samoan said sounded offensive, but I think it could mean what someone else said & he also could've just been talking about immigrants. Doubt he hated all Mexicans & looked dressed in typical 90's fashion.

Typical 90s fashion there you GO!!! trying to take the style of cholo dress and incorporate it to everyone....YEA!.....how about the gang signs and gang tatts in the fashion of a VATO? lets face it samoans are ashamed of what they are thats why they drop the hulu skirts and pick up the dickies and act and live like a vato --who by the way have been in that fashion for 110 plus years starting with DOGTOWN 13 in 1890 ...to present day /phonie ass fool

Got any pics of DogTown Vatos from 1890?

Hispanics invented OLD ENGLISH font, true story.


theres the door to fucking nutsville homie.

[buLLetxx2]

get ya facts straight homie, and brush up on the history....ALL HISTORY.

If you had you'd know hispanics were not rocking dickies and white shirts in 1890, dipshit, because dickies weren't even invented till 1918, and they were only making overalls then fool.

come on man, youre just dying to claim any and everything for your race, just like a the asshole conquistadors, but its not all yours fool.

and the things you can claim aren't worth claiming anyways, oh ok you got it, your race started an entire culture of fuckups and losers who spend their lives in and out of the pen, and feed drugs to an entire society further perpetuating socio-ethno stereotypes in their respective communities, guaranteeing they'll never see a better way.

Happy now?
I concede that much to you.


And also, in all honesty, I've seen articles on this site dating back to the DogTown days from Chicago, and they seemed to have had multiple gangs and cliques functioning at that time, real gang steez, not DogTown vs Farmers Union Busters


Also, fool, DogTown was started by Irish and Hispanic, and was....drum roll please....PREDOMINANTLY IRISH.

SO THE IRISH INVENTED GANGBANGING THEN EH?

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.

[mayugastank]

Okay here we go -did I ever claim gangbanging as the meritous benefit chicanos have contributed to society?

HOWEVER....what I do claim as ours and what I do claim as CHICANO influence is by far and large -not limited to the USA or the WEST COAST. Nation to nation -city to city ....youll see the tattoo patterns and styles of dress amongst YOUTHS of all color being sported -as a symbol of fashion. What per se ? did asian gangs and or samoans contribute to the worlds underground/? what hand have you had in shaping ANYTHING underground in any spot? Whether my people were sporting dickies at the turn of the century is of NO merit-for the uniform of Americas street has changed over and over. By far and large -teenage youths whether white/asian/black have incorporated huge swaths of chicano styles to give themselves an identity. Black west coast culture is a total play on chicano themes. Asian youths -have taken their whole demeanor from the ethnic chicano---who by the way -----showed all youths of color how to be proud of your race against a hostile society...while still having your honor intact....meaning we werent trying to fit in --we deliberately seperated ourselves and gave ourselves a whole new look -and created a whole new culture...a hybrid american/mexican one. You khmers/samoans/armenians/persian teens have tried to do as well....but you didnt do a good job in keeping semblances of your culture ...instead you took plays on chicano themes...like the dress/and tattooing cultural icons while getting american ones...(picture the virgin mary with an old english tattoo on the abs) ...and DID EXACTLY what we did. You didnt even change it a bit! Now the style of dress and the style of ink is popular in Cambodia and Samoa now isnt it>(so ive read) ...but alas I am sure when you do imitate us you make no mention of why and how those styles came about. Instead like the hulu skirt wearing gangster in the video you insult the originators out of shear jealousy ...since its very obvious we've learned to adapt and adopt honorably and still maintain our self respect...unlike yours whom dropped evertything to follow yet still claim that your proud of your culture? You need to take a clue and see how a person is really proud of their culture behaves. Take a look at the styles of just about everything around you and notice the similarities to chicano themes and styles....TAPOUT and OC CHOPPERS...wouldnt those white boyz be considered "white cholos"?......As I am not sure of your age ...but I personally growing up in the 90s NEVER saw anyone of any race tattooed and dressing in the fashion that have become popular amongst white youths/asians/blacks....unless it was the cholos around my area.You get into oh well dickies were invented by a white to =therefore dickies arent mexican.? I mean seriously!....well therefore mexicans invented chocolate so candy is mexican...stupid ass counter! Now using the previous example....if you took per se chocolate and made chicken mole sauce ( a mexican dish) wouldnt that be considered mexican? but if you took the chocolate and made cake wouldnt that be considered everyones? ...when you add spice and flavor to something that is distinctly ethnic....it becomes part of your culture....just like JAZZ-MOTOWN-RAGTIME-...are African American...but still show big semblances of African culture. Your just upset that your people havent been able to do that-you havent been able to give yourselves your own voice....and I can tell you why ....but youd take it as an insult!

[mayugastank]

The yakuza did a good job of showing and keeping their culture intact while still incorporating western influences...hats off to a proud and honorable people.....but look at the asian gangstaz below and tell me the plays arent ridicolous...yet by your prior comments you seek acknowledgement? for what? the cornrolls or the plays on chicano gang tatts? like the caligraphic chain on guy below with khmer words...by God couldnt you have been a little less obvious?hahaha.......real proud their buddy.

[buLLetxx2]

Whats with you posting pictures of shirtless Asian men in every thread?

The closet door isn't locked, come on out already.

[buLLetxx2]

plus I'm not seeking acknowledgment from anyone fool, I'm grown already, did my time for my BS crimes and I'm kicking back with my family now.

I don't need further recognition for my former self, or my race for that matter, unlike you who seems to feel the need to always chime in about how Chicanos started this or wore that first.

Grow up, come out that closet, and be proud for yourself and your people without the need to demean others in the process, otherwise that just makes you a racist.
Theres a difference between shouting "(insert race here) PRIDE" and "(insert race here) POWER."

Check your thoughts before they leave your head.

[mayugastank]

Whats with you posting pictures of shirtless Asian men in every thread?

The closet door isn't locked, come on out already.

Hey it isnt me its just every asian gangster I find on the net...found a way to take his shirt off and sport his chicano style tatts. Be yourself show some real pride....do something that nobody else does. Get your own artwork-dress in your own fashion......people might actually start to think that its cool. You can never be a man unless your happy with yourselves/that isnt pride in copying the whole demeanor of another people....its like the white girl who wears her makeup like a mexican girl --and wakes up at 30 years old and realizes shes white. Its fake loco. You contributed nothing as of yet and unless you guys get outta your confused mindset you never will.

[suicidalxv]

SOS is synonymous with SUIS and vice verca. Its all S-Gang. My Big homey is in the video the big white guy with long hair hanging down in the pendleton, locs and hat. thats big maniac and im lil Maniac from SUIS XV st

[MMRbkaRudog]

I used to think sos was all Samoan, but I recently found out they got other races. What's up w/the sui's that were claiming sur tho?? Was that some confused fools or what?

[buLLetxx2]

LB Suis claiming sur? You sure bout that? They, along with ABZ and EFCC used to be "cool" with Barrio Pobre back in the day, but just on some understanding/common enemy tip just like they were "cool" with W/S Longos.

and nah, suis has been mixed for as long as I can remember, Samoans suis were the exception, not the norm, it was a pretty even mix of samoan, khmer and Laotian back in the day, with some whites, blacks and mexicans as well. Now it's mainly Khmer and Lao, with a couple blacks and a few Samoan, but not too many Uso's still stay on the E/S these days.

[MMRbkaRudog]

LB Suis claiming sur? You sure bout that? They, along with ABZ and EFCC used to be "cool" with Barrio Pobre back in the day, but just on some understanding/common enemy tip just like they were "cool" with W/S Longos.

and nah, suis has been mixed for as long as I can remember, Samoans suis were the exception, not the norm, it was a pretty even mix of samoan, khmer and Laotian back in the day, with some whites, blacks and mexicans as well. Now it's mainly Khmer and Lao, with a couple blacks and a few Samoan, but not too many Uso's still stay on the E/S these days.

I didn't say anything about LB, but I guess they tend to be from there. Just saw some tags that said 13 & I remember 1 had sur, so it made me wonder. It could have been a joker or something.

[buLLetxx2]

ah, ok, right on.

There were a grip of Sui gangs that all sprung up right round the same time in the 80s, spawned from diehard fans from Suicidal Tendencies. I don't remember them all but Venice(of course), Fullerton and Long Beach are a few. Fullerton Sui over time because more and more hispanic and now is a Sur gang, so im sure the same can be assumed of a few others. LB Suis on the other hand(Suisidal Town) are and have been on the crip tip since jump street.

[MMRbkaRudog]

ah, ok, right on.

There were a grip of Sui gangs that all sprung up right round the same time in the 80s, spawned from diehard fans from Suicidal Tendencies. I don't remember them all but Venice(of course), Fullerton and Long Beach are a few. Fullerton Sui over time because more and more hispanic and now is a Sur gang, so im sure the same can be assumed of a few others. LB Suis on the other hand(Suisidal Town) are and have been on the crip tip since jump street.

I guess it could also be cause some whites like to use 13 for other reasons, but thanks for clearing that up.

[suicidalxv]

ah, ok, right on.

There were a grip of Sui gangs that all sprung up right round the same time in the 80s, spawned from diehard fans from Suicidal Tendencies. I don't remember them all but Venice(of course), Fullerton and Long Beach are a few. Fullerton Sui over time because more and more hispanic and now is a Sur gang, so im sure the same can be assumed of a few others. LB Suis on the other hand(Suisidal Town) are and have been on the crip tip since jump street.

I guess it could also be cause some whites like to use 13 for other reasons, but thanks for clearing that up.

who are you?

[buLLetxx2]

who are you?

Me?

[MMRbkaRudog]

Don't matter who I am.

[matterInI]

LB Suis claiming sur? You sure bout that? They, along with ABZ and EFCC used to be "cool" with Barrio Pobre back in the day, but just on some understanding/common enemy tip just like they were "cool" with W/S Longos.

and nah, suis has been mixed for as long as I can remember, Samoans suis were the exception, not the norm, it was a pretty even mix of samoan, khmer and Laotian back in the day, with some whites, blacks and mexicans as well. Now it's mainly Khmer and Lao, with a couple blacks and a few Samoan, but not too many Uso's still stay on the E/S these days.

I didn't say anything about LB, but I guess they tend to be from there. Just saw some tags that said 13 & I remember 1 had sur, so it made me wonder. It could have been a joker or something.

most people in this generation dont know the Sui roots. the band punk metal cross over band Suicidal Tendencies was a huge part of it . from what i understand one of the original members of that band was from Venice 13 .Many of the members dressed up cholo like because where they grew up around that . keep in mind Venice was known for its surf and skate culture as well ( check out the movie Zboys - the skaters manager skip even talks about their idea women being more like cholas instead of some barbie doll beach bunny lol ) punk rock hit in the late 70s early 80s many kats from that scene got into punk . The band Suicidal Tendencies started dressin all gangsterish . I know from friends that i had that went to fenders ball rooms that SOS would do security or bounce for that punk rock club in the 80s . A guy i met ( who said he s an og from that clique ) also told me that He was one of the one of the original guys that formed that gang- hes black . He told me that blacks and other non whites were getting mobbed on by nazi skinheads at shows . so they formed LBSP( Long Beach Suicidal Punks ) and they would mob on those bone heads . I hope that shed some light on it . Im sure the O.Gs could tell you more than i can . im just goin by things i remember and people ive met . i remember 2 kats back in the day one white dude named Pirate (i didnt know him well but i talked to him a few times - he was the first sui i ever saw ) and a cambodian kat named rana lock. heresa pic of a member of the band with the same logo you might ve seen sui gangs hit up if yall dont believe me http://www.google.com/imgres?q=suicidal ... s:18,i:128 peace yall .

[bankhead]

I guess theres some things Vatos do better. In terms of tattoos, the word tattoo comes from the Polynesian word tatau. Wetbacks should discontinue the use of a Polynesian staple; and revert back to using make-up/paint instead. The only things cholos were known for were oversized pants pulled to the chest, and an open flannel buttoned at the top. Fedoras/Brimmed hats were taken from prohibition era gangsters such as Al Capone. California gang attire (Dickies, 501s, white tees, denim button ups and locs) originate from CDC prison attire. Quit with your fantasy that Beaners created the California gangster look. Wetback!

[bankhead]

Spanish is a European language, and Mexicans are nothing more than a mixture of Spanish (European) and very little Native American (Aztec, Mayan etc.) blood. So, maybe Wetbacks need to evaluate their culture. Tattoos are not yours, your language isn't yours, and the style of clothing you claim originated from a place (CDC) where everyone is assigned the same clothing. White T-Shirts, Khaki Pants, 501s, Chucks, House Shoes, Denim Button-ups, and Locs are all CDC styled attire; to state that it's a "Vato/Cholo" thing makes you look like an idiot. Every gangster in California dresses exactly like they do in prison. Fedoras/Brimmed hats originate from the likes of prohibition (1920/1930) gangsters like Al Capone. The only thing wetbacks get credit for are lowriders, and that's it. Quit stealing the art of tattooing, and create your own shit!

[MMRbkaRudog]

Spanish is a European language, and Mexicans are nothing more than a mixture of Spanish (European) and very little Native American (Aztec, Mayan etc.) blood. So, maybe Wetbacks need to evaluate their culture. Tattoos are not yours, your language isn't yours, and the style of clothing you claim originated from a place (CDC) where everyone is assigned the same clothing. White T-Shirts, Khaki Pants, 501s, Chucks, House Shoes, Denim Button-ups, and Locs are all CDC styled attire; to state that it's a "Vato/Cholo" thing makes you look like an idiot. Every gangster in California dresses exactly like they do in prison. Fedoras/Brimmed hats originate from the likes of prohibition (1920/1930) gangsters like Al Capone. The only thing wetbacks get credit for are lowriders, and that's it. Quit stealing the art of tattooing, and create your own shit!

I somewhat agree with you, but I think you're kinda on dude's level n the cat hasn't posted here in a long time. I don't think it was 100% prison influenced, but I do agree it has something to do with it. The pachucos started wearing things like khakis after the zoot suit riots.

[bankhead]

Believe it or not, only farmers and greasers were known for wearing jeans pre-1950. To state Pachucos started the trend is invalid; what you will get credit for is oversized khakis and folding both creases across the body. Denim wasn't popular among mainstream American, and most wore Khaki pants, dress shirts, ties and fedoras... Why do you think Cholos don't rock Stacey Adams anymore!?! Wheres the slick back hair under fishnet stocking!?! Prison eliminated dress shoes and replaced them w/ fake Chucks & Velcro shoes; began shaving heads for a good period (minus Natives).

[MMRbkaRudog]

Believe it or not, only farmers and greasers were known for wearing jeans pre-1950. To state Pachucos started the trend is invalid; what you will get credit for is oversized khakis and folding both creases across the body. Denim wasn't popular among mainstream American, and most wore Khaki pants, dress shirts, ties and fedoras... Why do you think Cholos don't rock Stacey Adams anymore!?! Wheres the slick back hair under fishnet stocking!?! Prison eliminated dress shoes and replaced them w/ fake Chucks & Velcro shoes; began shaving heads for a good period (minus Natives).

Alright bro, wasn't trying to start an argument. Just let the thread be dead. Didn't say pachucos started the trend. Was just saying I don't think it was 100% prison influenced.