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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » March 24th, 2006, 1:35 pm

Zionism is the vested interest in Jews obtaining and securing their homeland in Israel....thats how everyone defines it. What is Zionism to you??? Jews taking over the world?? LOL you've been fooled by propaganda. ColdBear how can you say palestinians are indigenious to israel??? Jews are semites just like the arabs in that area so they are both the same people, the only difference is their religion. The JEWS are the only indigenious people to EVER set up any kind of nation country or state there in Israel. "PALESTINE" has never existed....the romans named it this just to further anger jews in Israel. They sided with non-jewish semites because they simply did not resist the Roman Empire's conquest of Israel.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » March 24th, 2006, 1:42 pm

^ You'd be surprised what some of my Arab friends think... so much propoganda..

they seriously defien Zionism as the hate of Palestineans

wtf :roll:

streets man.. you're the ONLY other one here I know that realizes that the Romans invented "Palestina" which is Latin for "Phillistine", if you remember David and Goliath, Goliath was a Phillistine and they no longer truly exist.

streets I can tell you are either educated or at least studied and know your stuff!

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Unread post by Cold Bear » March 24th, 2006, 1:56 pm

Here's the thing Streets, I know what Zionism means. You admit Jews and Arabs are both Semitic and native to that region, and yet you support the displacement of Arabs so that the Jews can take ownership of that land? And yet again, regardless of if 'Palestinian' is a made up identity, it now constitutes the Arab majority of that region. That would have happened anyway the more Jews found an Israeli solidarity. And Zionism and Judaism is STILL not the same thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

^ Read this

"Since the founding of the State of Israel, the term Zionism has come generally to mean support for Israel. However, a variety of different, and sometimes competing, ideologies that support Israel fit under the general category of Zionism, such as Religious Zionism, Revisionist Zionism, and Labour Zionism. Thus, the term is also sometimes used to refer specifically to the programs of these ideologies, such as efforts to encourage Jewish immigration to Israel. The term Zionism is also sometimes used retroactively to describe the millennia-old Biblical connection between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel, which existed long before the birth of the modern Zionist movement. In some cases, the label "Zionist" is also used improperly as a euphemism for Jews in general by those wishing to white-wash anti-Semitism (as in the Polish anti-Zionist campaign). "

Sounds to me like whoever you were talking to about Jews was using Zionist for Jews in general, and now you are thinking that all Jews are Zionists. Now you are tellign me that when I'm talking about Zionists I'm talking about all Jews... not the case.

"Jewish reaction to Zionism
Support for the Zionist movement was not initially a mainstream position in the world Jewish community, and it was actively opposed by many Jewish organizations. While traditional Jewish belief held that Eretz Yisrael (the Land of Israel) was given to the ancient Israelites by God, and that therefore the right of the Jews to that land was permanent and inalienable, most Orthodox groups held that the Messiah must appear before Israel could return to Jewish control, and Reform Judaism (prior to the Holocaust) explicitly rejected Zionism. Still, return to the Land of Israel had remained a recurring theme among generations of diaspora Jews, particularly in Passover and Yom Kippur prayers which traditionally concluded with, "Next year in Jerusalem.""


"The struggle for Palestine
With the defeat and dismantlement of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, and the establishment of the British Mandate over Palestine by the League of Nations in 1922, the Zionist movement entered a new phase of activity. Its priorities were the escalation of Jewish settlement in Palestine, the building of the institutional foundations of a Jewish state, raising funds for these purposes, and persuading — or forcing — the British authorities not to take any steps which would lead to Palestine moving towards independence as an Arab-majority state. The 1920s did see a steady growth in the Jewish population and the construction of state-like Jewish institutions, but also saw the emergence of Palestinian Arab nationalism and growing resistance to Jewish immigration."


Now you tell me, how does somebody 'settle' in an area that they were already in to begin with? The main direction in Zionism is INTO Israel, where the 'Palestinians' already were.

Many Jews who embraced socialism and proletarian internationalism opposed Zionism as a form of bourgeois nationalism. The General Jewish Labor Union (Bund), which represented socialist Jews in eastern Europe, was anti-Zionist. Some Jewish factions tried to blend Jewish Autonomism with Zionism, favoring Jewish self-rule in the diaspora until diaspora Jews make aliyah.

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Unread post by none for you » March 24th, 2006, 6:31 pm

Individual wrote:I can never knock down the jews

they're about there money and keeping it inside the community

same with the koreans

i think all the races should take a look at these races as an example on how to better them selves
Thats what i am talking about!!!

strange phenomena:
neighborhoods in SF are not only racially defined but also tiny communities with closed economies....
why is it the chinese and koreans go into places like hunters point and visitacion valley and suddenly the property values go up?... how is it that the Mission used to be Irish and now its mexican?

think about it.

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Unread post by curiousdude06 » March 24th, 2006, 11:26 pm

realize the real lies wrote:
Individual wrote:I can never knock down the jews

they're about there money and keeping it inside the community

same with the koreans

i think all the races should take a look at these races as an example on how to better them selves
Thats what i am talking about!!!

strange phenomena:
neighborhoods in SF are not only racially defined but also tiny communities with closed economies....
why is it the chinese and koreans go into places like hunters point and visitacion valley and suddenly the property values go up?... how is it that the Mission used to be Irish and now its mexican?

think about it.

SPeaking of bayview hunters point, back in 1996 there was an "incident" where recent asian immigrants from southeast asia were viciously harassed verbally and physically by some of their black neighbors. Due to their poverty, they couldn't afford to live anywhere else. No one spoke up for them, certainly not the reverend jesse jackson, the rainbow coalition, and local community "leaders." What I found insulting was the viewpoint by some in the community and some outside, that this was somehow a "cultural" misunderstanding.

What crock, racism is racism.

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » March 25th, 2006, 2:22 pm

EVN, yeah im not claiming anything im not, if i speak on something its because i know something about it. Im not ere tryin to instigate anything even though i may come off that way. Thats why its funny to me when palestinians claim to have the right to be there when they've never set up any kind of government, boundaries to their so-called homeland, or anything else that would give them credit to what they say. Palestinian people have just lived in that area more many years owing to the fact that they have religious sites that they congregate to. The jews had a actual state there, they even had a king.
ColdBear, I've always known of the differences in the term "zionism", but its irrelevant what the true meaning really means, the term is used to villify jews and thats all that matters. You think there is one jew on earth that would not like Israel to continue to exist, by that alone it makes them a zionist. If they are completely not affiliated with nor support the state of israel in any way then that would make them a non zionist. Zionist is a term just thrown in to give a cover to the hatred of jews.
I see no problem with Israel existing there, even at the expense of palestinians, they have lost 3 wars and hold no traditional rights to that land.

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Unread post by Cold Bear » March 25th, 2006, 3:31 pm

Damn I guess then losers of wars just don't deserve shit... like Native Americans.

And since they don't have a bible that claims they are the chosen peoples, then they can't live there and should be displaced?

You can keep trying to tell me what you think I mean when I say Zionist, and I can keep telling you what I really mean by Zionist. Why don't you talk to some educated progressive minded Jews who will educate you on the difference between a Jew and a Zionist?

Wanting Israel to exist and have a homeland and violently oppressing Palestinians is two different things.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » March 25th, 2006, 7:15 pm

^ Exactly what I'm saying.. the first two (Israel to exist and have a homeland) is Zionism and the third is a completely seperate act of violence.

lol I like turning things around... :D

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Unread post by Cold Bear » March 25th, 2006, 7:41 pm

Like it says in the article I posted above, the general attitude has BECOME that any type of support of Israel or push for a homeland is Zionism. But that is not the real case. To most people Zionism means the violent oppression of Palestinians in order to fortify Israel's presence as a powerhouse in the Middle East. That's what I mean by Zionist.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » March 25th, 2006, 7:53 pm

lol i actually posted one of those...

but the quality was crap because it was an old video tape so it had all those lines through it

someone got me teh dvd version so it's a lot better, i can upload it later maybe

I think piru love and steady dippin were the best songs on the albums

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » March 25th, 2006, 7:57 pm

HAHAHAHAHA

I was positing in two thread at once... LOL

anyways back to Zionism:


Cold, that's the definition most people came with recently and most of my Arab friends use that definition

but the word was coined before even WWII and before Palestine (it was still in the empire)

I think there should be a different word for the phenomenon you referred to

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » March 30th, 2006, 6:12 pm

COLDBEAR:"Wanting Israel to exist and have a homeland and violently oppressing Palestinians is two different things."

If Israel doesnt violently defend itself then Israel will be destroyed coldbear....dont u understand that? if israel hadnt won the wars that it did they would have been massacred.
And for the record im not defining what zionism means, im defining how its percieved in the world today and the effects it has

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Unread post by Cold Bear » March 30th, 2006, 9:34 pm

Ay it's all good Streets.

When you say certain shit like "those crazy ass muslims can't be trusted"
it lets me know that you're siding against Palestinians, you think they're in the wrong, partially like all muslims. Maybe I'm doing the opposite. But it ain't a objective opinion that you have on this topic. What you see as defensive I see as offensive. But we all choose sides, no?

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » March 31st, 2006, 6:04 pm

ColdBear, i see you and maybe you are being completely objective on this subject. Im sure you've been reading about the recent mexican vs. blacks in LA situation, and how some innocent people are being targeted. Alot of times they are targeted with death. If you noticed the overall way everyone reacted to innocent people being killed, no one agreed with it. Not even the average street gangmember (and even mafia members) would think this was an honorable thing. Alot of people draw the line there...It lets you know that even outlaws and criminals have some sort of respect for life. Palestinians on the other hand they see killing women and little kids as a ticket to heaven. This kind of lack of respect for human life and values makes you think twice about being objective when one side is almost Evil.

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Unread post by Cold Bear » March 31st, 2006, 6:30 pm

Streets of course I know about the Mexican and Black wars I'm from LA. I been here for maybe seven years now.

If anything though, to be real it's mostly Israelis killing innocent folks. And even when it's a conflitct the Palestinians are always outmanned, outgunned, and outsoldiered. Why do you think they throw rocks at tanks?

I respect your opinion, but I don't know who you're getting that info from, that Palestinians love killing innocent people. It's always in retaliation for Israeli bombings on civilians.

Even objective non-muslim witnesses will write about the foul shit going down.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/jamesjdavid21.html

Hardly a day goes by without Israelis invading another Palestinian village or refugee camp killing dozens of innocent Palestinians and bulldozing more Palestinian homes and shops. Even while the Israeli ambassador calls for protecting Israeli citizens before implementing any peace plan, Israeli soldiers backed by helicopter gun-ships are at this minute raiding a Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank killing an unarmed 16-year-old boy. And this is the kind of Israeli violence we see everyday. It's the kind of violence we never hear or see on our local or national news. Only when Israelis are killed by desperate suicide bombings do we get the news. According to U.S. media, as long as there are not Israelis killed the condition in the Middle East is described as "relative calm." In the world according to U.S. media, the high moral ground in the Middle East belongs to Israel's government --even when it slaughters Palestinian women and children.
But media spin cannot change realities on the ground. In the last 31 months of the current Palestinian uprising, an uprising against the brutal and illegal Israeli occupation, there have been 2,280 Palestinians and 760 Israelis killed. That's 3 times the number of Palestinians killed as Israelis, yet the normal American would think the figures were the opposite.

The Israeli ambassador talks about protecting Israelis but he never mentions protecting Palestinians. And if he thinks that he can justify the violence against Palestinians by relating it to the "intifada" then he has another thought coming.

Why, Mr. Ambassador, do you think there was an uprising in the first place? For more than 55 years the Israelis have plundered and murdered other peoples in the Middle East to include the Palestinians and the Lebanese. You have kicked them in the teeth and they have taken it for so many years without kicking back. You have confiscated their land; you have demolished their homes; you have assassinated their political leaders and you have killed their children. Yet your only concern is the protection of Israelis. You have constructed more than 400 illegal Jewish settlements on confiscated Palestinian land while these "Uzi toting" Jewish settlers have attacked hundreds of innocent Palestinians long before the current "intifada." Yes, you have kicked them in the teeth for more than 55 years but there comes a time when they can't take it forever without kicking back



And check this cat's credentials... he's non-Jewish or Muslim

James J. David is a retired Brigadier General and a graduate of the U.S. Army's Command and General Staff College, and the National Security Course, National Defense University, Washington DC. He served as a Company Commander with the 101st Airborne Division in the Republic of Vietnam in 1969 and 1970 and also served nearly 3 years of Army active duty in and around the Middle East from 1967-1969.

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » March 31st, 2006, 7:24 pm

When Jews started going there in big numbers after world war 2, there was no state there at all...it was just a big territory that Great Britain was keeping. THEY kicked the british out, attacking British Military targets. The "palestinians" didnt do anything for independence. After that Israel has had to fight 3 Wars outnumbered against jordanians, egyptians, syrians and palestinians (not including the Lebanese civil war in the 1908's)...they have won all 3 Wars. Not to mention that these are all defensive wars for Israel. You should review track records before you decide who to defend.
Why doesnt anyone ever ask why the israelis attacked or demolished a home? Because its always a retaliation for a terrorist attack by palestinians.

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Unread post by Cold Bear » March 31st, 2006, 8:56 pm

You got it all backwards.

You're just going to ignore that shit I posted?

Here's another


Israeli occupation is worst form of violence

By Beth Daoud, Special to the News

Rocky Mountain News

January 18, 2002



Never in my life have I seen such disregard for human life as I have seen toward the Palestinians by Israel. Having just returned from the West Bank and Gaza Strip on a month-long trip, I have a heavy heart.

I traveled to the illegally occupied territories of Palestine with four fellow members of the Colorado Campaign for Middle East Peace. Our group joined with 320 other internationals to collectively form the International Solidarity Movement.

The purpose of ISM is to stand in solidarity with the Palestinians in actively yet nonviolently resisting the occupation by Israel, to serve as international monitors, and to become human shields when needed to protect the Palestinians from Israeli brutality.

There are no words to sufficiently explain the depth of suffering inflicted on the Palestinians by Israel. Sadly, this suffering rarely, if ever, gets accurately portrayed by the media.

Americans are being cheated out of the truth concerning what is truly happening to the Palestinians at the hands of Israel. This lack of knowledge prevents most of us from reaching out in compassion to the Palestinians, a people who so desperately need it.

Each and every Palestinian lives under a constant state of punishment and oppression. Israel controls every aspect of a Palestinian's life. Their beloved homeland is a prison controlled by Israeli checkpoints and roadblocks. The Palestinians are virtually helpless to protect themselves against Israel's brutality. Much of their police force now operates out of tents.

Except for three miles out from the shores of Gaza strip, Palestinians are not allowed on the Mediterranean Sea. While Israeli settlers are allowed to walk down the street with M-16s, a Palestinian will be killed for having a gun.

Israelis attacking Palestinians are rarely punished, while Palestinians will be jailed, tortured or killed for attacking an Israeli. Under international law, an occupied people have the right to arm themselves to resist occupation. The media portrays any resistance by the Palestinians as terrorism, when the first and worst form of violence is the illegal occupation of Palestine by Israel.

Every step a Palestinian takes to try to better the terrible circumstances he lives in, is undermined or destroyed by Israel.

Europe donated $10 million to build the only Palestinian seaport in the Gaza Strip. This would have allowed the Palestinians to buy goods from other countries instead of paying inflated Israeli prices, and to export goods, bringing much needed money into their economy. Israel destroyed this seaport before it was even finished.

The runways of the airport in Gaza Strip have been destroyed. Palestinian land and water have been poisoned by the raw sewage coming from the illegal Israeli settlements. Wells and water pipelines have been intentionally damaged and destroyed.

The headquarters of organizations that teach Palestinians how to grow fruits and vegetables to feed their families have been destroyed over and over again. I could go on and on. These acts of destruction by Israel are not the acts of a nation that wants peace, they are acts of a nation that simply wants the Palestinians to disappear at any cost.

Though killing innocent people is never justified, the rage of the suicide bombers is. The rage of each and every Palestinian is justified.

If they nonviolently protest in the streets, they are shot at and dragged off to jail. If they organize a group to resist the occupation, it's labeled a terrorist organization. No matter what form of resistance the Palestinians use, they are beaten down.

Every human being is entitled to basic rights. Israel continues to grossly abuse the human rights of the Palestinians. As Americans we would never accept being treated with such disregard, and neither should the Palestinians.

Beth Daoud, a member of the Colorado Campaign for Middle East Peace, is a Denver peace activist

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » April 6th, 2006, 12:00 pm

i'm not ignoring anything you keep posting articles that are obviously leaning towards the palestinian cause....they use terms like israel's "illegal" occupation of palestinian territories. How is it an occupation and how is it illegal??
Like i said before 3 wars were fought and the outcome was clear. By this logic of saying its an illegal occupation then native americans would have every right to start suicide bombings on city busses at night clubs and go on rampages with AK47's killing women and children for the goal of bringing down america, its not going to happen its just senseless violence of THE WORST kind.....its so ridiculous for anyone with any kind of morals to support the palestinians.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » April 6th, 2006, 1:10 pm

streetsIswatchin wrote:i'm not ignoring anything you keep posting articles that are obviously leaning towards the palestinian cause....they use terms like israel's "illegal" occupation of palestinian territories. How is it an occupation and how is it illegal??
Like i said before 3 wars were fought and the outcome was clear. By this logic of saying its an illegal occupation then native americans would have every right to start suicide bombings on city busses at night clubs and go on rampages with AK47's killing women and children for the goal of bringing down america, its not going to happen its just senseless violence of THE WORST kind.....its so ridiculous for anyone with any kind of morals to support the palestinians.
^Truth and wisdom

It's seems like it's so easy for Hamas to brainwash people though. I know someone from Palestine and he said the textbooks for even kindergardeners tech hate for Jews.

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Unread post by Cold Bear » April 6th, 2006, 2:01 pm

For real... 'Truth and Wisdom' EVN? lol I didn't know you were any kind of special measure of that, partner.

I don't hate Jews dog but I call it like I see it with regards to Israel and Palestine due to the fact that MANY MORE INNOCENT PALESTINIANS HAVE DIED THAN INNOCENT ISRAELIS. Did you ever consider suicide bombings is a necessity since PALESTINE DOES NOT HAVE AN ARMY?! Think about it. If that makes me 'brainwashed' then you cats got some poor reasoning skills. And what does Hamas have to do with shit, fool? Why would a kid like you assume I've even read any type of Hamas news source or otherwise? Stop assuming kid.

The only way I know how to compare it is Native Americans and Europeans. Or Africans and Europeans. Or North Koreans and Europeans. All Streets can think of is talking about the Jews won the war etc. What does that really prove? Along this same line of thinking, 'North Koreans deserve to live in poverty because they lost the war to America, so South Korea gets the wealth because they sided with Democracy.' or 'Native Americans deserved to be eradicated because the first Americans fought a war with Britain and won and they own that land', or African-Americans deserve to be poor because their ancestors couldn't fight off slavery', etc. All that shit is BS and yall should probably know that by now? Or maybe not. I guess not. SInce you used the Native American analogy against me. The palestinians are still fighting for the land the same way the Native Americans did before disease killed them, so you're saying these Palestinians should just lay down and die??????

Come on open your eyes, fools. We know who the real victims are. And that's another thing if anybody's being led astray by the mainstream media it's you cats. Who am I being brainwashed by, all of those high-ranking Palestinians at CNN? [not saying the media is Jewish I'm just saying it's DEFINITELY NOT PALESTINIAN so cease with all that brainwash talk]

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Unread post by perongregory » April 6th, 2006, 4:15 pm

Fuck this biased ass BS. Israel kill way more innocents than Palestenians. Just recently they fired a missile at a crowded street in the attempt to kill a Hamas leader, and ended up killing 14 innocents. I'm tired of people riding nuts. Thats a war between brothers, the only thing is we support one brother unequivocally. Palestine does fucked up shit and so does Israel, so stop blowin on they fuckin nuts.

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Unread post by Old Shatterhand » April 6th, 2006, 8:04 pm

perongregory wrote:fu-- this biased ass BS. Israel kill way more innocents than Palestenians. Just recently they fired a missile at a crowded street in the attempt to kill a Hamas leader, and ended up killing 14 innocents. I'm tired of people riding nuts. Thats a war between brothers, the only thing is we support one brother unequivocally. Palestine does #%@& up shit and so does Israel, so stop blowin on they fuckin nuts.
What's interesting about the whole thing historically is that after Israel successfully defended their 1 day old nation (six countries declared war and then attacked them on day 2 of their statehood) and the UN brokered an end to that war, 850,000 Israel denizens living in the surrounding Arab countries became refugees due to the resulting Arab persecution they came under. Israel accepted them as kin and gave full citizenship to them upon arrival, got them jobs, integrated them, etc... and that was basically the end of the Israel refugee problem.

Now the Arabs that became refugees due to the persecution on the Israel side were NOT accepted into the Arab countries but were placed in refugee camps and used as political "currency" against Israel leading to the situation they have there today.

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Unread post by perongregory » April 6th, 2006, 8:15 pm

yes, alot of the arabs look down on the palestinians and treat them badly, but support them in their fight against Israel. It's just that the Palestinians got the worse end of the stick, and foreigners wanna demonize them, ignorant of their struggle. There is alot of trash on both sides of the fence, so I say don't judge whole peoples.

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Unread post by Old Shatterhand » April 6th, 2006, 8:54 pm

perongregory wrote:yes, alot of the arabs look down on the palestinians and treat them badly, but support them in their fight against Israel. It's just that the Palestinians got the worse end of the stick, and foreigners wanna demonize them, ignorant of their struggle. There is alot of trash on both sides of the fence, so I say don't judge whole peoples.
I'm not defending anyone on either side of the current situation (there is enough blame to go around) but simply saying that if the Arab's had acted in kind there wouldn't be the situation in Palestine they have there today. It could have been averted.

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » April 7th, 2006, 12:09 am

damn u guys cant just say that both sides do f***ed up shit...i guess in World War 2 the U.S. shouldnt have fought against Nazi Germany because of all the innocent civilians that died. Come on now use common sense....when u start a war or participate in a war u know that innocent civilians are going to be killed....its a part of war!! Always has always will be....you do what u gotta do to win it and win it fast, the longer it drags out the more people die. Blood is the price u pay for war...Blood of soldier and civilian alike when the ground your fighting for and fighting in is occupied by civilians.
Israel shooting a missle in a crowded street to kill a known terrorist cant be compared to the palestinian's tactic of strapping a youngster who doesnt know any better with explosives and telling him to run towards a group of ALL innocent people and blowing himself up.
Suicide bombing is evil.....i dont care if you dont have an army...better yet u know what they do have an army they are armed to the teeth. Fight a war to the last man if you feel so down for your cause, but do not ever target women and children under any circumstances.
Who here of you that support palestinians would take it well if Al Qaeda killed your wife and kids because the U.S. Government is trying to control the middle east?? Their fighting a similar cause, they want the U.S. out of the Middle east just like Palestinians want Jews out of Israel.

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Unread post by UmanH-ay » April 7th, 2006, 2:37 am

damn u guys cant just say that both sides do f***ed up shit.
thats the problem here, a lot of ya'll cant face it that no side was a bunch of soldiers of justice, even though one side was more in the wrong, no one has been perfect in all conflicts on this earth

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Unread post by perongregory » April 8th, 2006, 12:01 am

streetsIswatchin wrote:damn u guys cant just say that both sides do f***ed up shit...i guess in World War 2 the U.S. shouldnt have fought against Nazi Germany because of all the innocent civilians that died. Come on now use common sense....when u start a war or participate in a war u know that innocent civilians are going to be killed....its a part of war!! Always has always will be....you do what u gotta do to win it and win it fast, the longer it drags out the more people die. Blood is the price u pay for war...Blood of soldier and civilian alike when the ground your fighting for and fighting in is occupied by civilians.
Israel shooting a missle in a crowded street to kill a known terrorist cant be compared to the palestinian's tactic of strapping a youngster who doesnt know any better with explosives and telling him to run towards a group of ALL innocent people and blowing himself up.
Suicide bombing is evil.....i dont care if you dont have an army...better yet u know what they do have an army they are armed to the teeth. Fight a war to the last man if you feel so down for your cause, but do not ever target women and children under any circumstances.
Who here of you that support palestinians would take it well if Al Qaeda killed your wife and kids because the U.S. Government is trying to control the middle east?? Their fighting a similar cause, they want the U.S. out of the Middle east just like Palestinians want Jews out of Israel.
If someone blow your relatives away, because they decide to blast at an enemy when he was sorrounded by civs instead of catching him slipping, I don't think you would be all to happy, saying thats just the price of war. You can't hate on them people for gettin it how they get it, if you aint gon hate on the israelis for gettin it like they get it. And real soldier mufuckas should've did some commando shit or ran some troops up in there instead of shooting a missile on a crowded street.

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » April 8th, 2006, 3:16 am

If someone blow your relatives away, because they decide to blast at an enemy when he was sorrounded by civs instead of catching him slipping, I don't think you would be all to happy, saying thats just the price of war. You can't hate on them people for gettin it how they get it, if you aint gon hate on the israelis for gettin it like they get it. And real soldier mufuckas should've did some commando shit or ran some troops up in there instead of shooting a missile on a crowded street.

^^the civilians know themselves that they are walking next to terrorists, they actually call them heroes. These terrorists stay in highly populated areas so that they'll be higher civilian casualties and so afterward they can complain about the high number of civilians being killed by 'evil' israelis. You need to read up on the situation in detail Perongregory....i was like u too i thought the Jews were over there slaughtering poor palestinians but its a lie....palestinians dont seem to care about life. they throw it away like its some weapon of war. I couldnt do the shit they do to my worst of enemies.

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Unread post by perongregory » April 8th, 2006, 4:29 pm

Nigga I read everything about this BS one of my close friends is from Israel, dad is in the military, hates Arabs. Got many Jewish friends, trust me I know about this shit. I'm saying you can't say shit about those Palestenians if you agree whats going on, or giving excuses in these American hoods everyday. You can't just pardon Israel of their crimes and condemn all of the Palestenians. i'm not just gonna go with what the mainstream media wants me to believe, Islam=evil, Arabs=evil, fuck that. And I know you're not looking at this objectively when you defend Zionism, but then say that you don't agree with teh Aztlan movement and thats only radical Mexicans into that. It's the same shit essentially.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » April 8th, 2006, 5:01 pm

perongregory wrote:Nigga I read everything about this BS one of my close friends is from Israel, dad is in the military, hates Arabs. Got many Jewish friends, trust me I know about this shit. I'm saying you can't say shit about those Palestenians if you agree whats going on, or giving excuses in these American hoods everyday. You can't just pardon Israel of their crimes and condemn all of the Palestenians. i'm not just gonna go with what the mainstream media wants me to believe, Islam=evil, Arabs=evil, fu-- that. And I know you're not looking at this objectively when you defend Zionism, but then say that you don't agree with teh Aztlan movement and thats only radical Mexicans into that. It's the same shit essentially.
lol funny because a lot of my friends are Arabs and I only know a few Jews and I say that the Jews have more of a right than Arabs in this case...

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » April 9th, 2006, 12:09 am

you make a good point perongregory, but let me compare it this way....its just a scenario it could go either way ok....
Mexicans vs Blacks...mexicans target innocent blacks, even women and children and even say its perfectly ok and even tell young lil mexicans to kill blacks and blacks respond by not targetting innocents.
In this scenario mexicans are the palestinians and blacks are the jews. If Mexicans target little black babies man i dont care what the cause i aint backing it up. Not even in self defense.
Remember though this was just a scenario...but thats how i see it. Adolf Hitler thought jews were so evil they need to be eradicated from european soil. Even if it meant killing jewish babies. This is exactly how palestinians think. They need to remove Jews from Israeli (palestinian) soil.

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Unread post by whoknows » April 9th, 2006, 10:22 am

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lol funny because a lot of my friends are Arabs
stop lyin judas u know dam well you ain't got know black or arab friends..

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