Why cant non-whites create valid societies?

These concepts are socially constructed and have been given much weight. What are your thoughts?
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Unread post by Tre » May 12th, 2006, 10:09 am

This is you EVN--------------- wrote:I could get a solid tan and they might consider me "black and squinty".....

So if that's true then there are black whites.....
And that makes Eminem black

Okay first of all what do you mean "white Arab" - Arabs are just Arab, that makes as much sense as me saying Ice-T is a "white Black".
In another post you suggest that Arabs dont consider themselves 'white' but Mediterranean which is just another sub-category of the Caucasian 'White' race.
You post pictures of Filipinos and than tell Perongregory that they cant be black.
You describe Iman an obviously African woman as Chinese
than this is you.....
my basic view on race/ethnicity, that it doesn't make human sense and was not designed to make human sense.
Than when I try to help you out homie, you tell me
...... I doubt you know the real meaning of "race"
stay confused. lol

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Unread post by Tre » May 12th, 2006, 10:19 am

EVN - I'm just me... wrote:I on the other hand view humanity as a race.
How can we have an intelligent discussion on race when you only see race when it suits you. And here lies the problem..... You have no problem with seeing (blacks) when describing who hates or looks down on us. "oh well they don't like you" "Oh they don't like black people" But when it comes down to our achievements as a people suddenly it's back to "well were all a part of the human race" LoL. What you are saying is you only see race when you want to.

For the record.....
Ethnicity is the names that people give to themselves as to whom they claim to be rather than who they actually are. To other people they give names as to how they perceive this other group to be. Naturally the names a group of people gives themselves and the names attributed to them by other groups often differ. In most cases Ethnic names are a variation of national names. This national group is created when people successfully create and maintain that group because of the common character of their members. People who separate themselves on an ethnic level then want to form their own nation and state. Ethnic conflicts occur when one group has amassed so much power that they decide that they no longer want to be ruled by another ethnic group and the only way to make their point is through violence and conflict. So the distinction between race and ethnicity is that race is something that is physically defined and ethnicity is something that is culturally defined.

Not that any of this matters to you since you seem to make-up your own definitions in an attempt to validate your confused state of mind.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » May 12th, 2006, 3:55 pm

Tre wrote: In another post you suggest that Arabs dont consider themselves 'white' but Mediterranean which is just another sub-category of the Caucasian 'White' race.
You post pictures of Filipinos and than tell Perongregory that they cant be black.
You describe Iman an obviously African woman as Chinese
than this is you.....

I said "some" Arabs consider themselves Mediterranean (like Egyptians) other just view themselves and simply Arab.

I didn't post the picture of Iman, all I did was ask who she was because she looked like this girl I knew.

The point of the Filipino pictures was that just because someone is dark doesn't mean they are black African - we were talking about Egyptians. REad the entire thread before you just jump on one thing without knowing what it is about.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » May 12th, 2006, 4:08 pm

Tre wrote:How can we have an intelligent discussion on race when you only see race when it suits you. And here lies the problem..... You have no problem with seeing (blacks) when describing who hates or looks down on us. "oh well they don't like you" "Oh they don't like black people"

? I don't think you were reading my posts. You already mistook me for the guy who posted Iman, check the post you're talking about again.

Tre wrote:But when it comes down to our achievements as a people suddenly it's back to "well were all a part of the human race" LoL. What you are saying is you only see race when you want to.

:arrow: :arrow: :arrow:
EVN - I'm just me... wrote:We could go on and on about civilizations and how great they were, but here's something that's the most universal

The development of modern man.

Now to those who don't know what "modern" man is, it's more than just being homo sapien, it means the capacity for abstract thought beyond necessity.

The first artwork was a necklace found in southern Africa which was made thousands of years before any cave painting in Europe.

For those that don't know the significance of the mental capacity for this type of thought to make a necklace/decoration during that time, that would be the equivalent today of blacks being able to read minds and throw cars with only their brains or something.

And there are many other great civilizations that were undisputably black
This is from this very thread by the way. I could post a lot more but I'd rather talk to someone who actually reads posts before responding to them.

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Unread post by Tre » May 13th, 2006, 4:28 am

EVN - I'm just me... wrote:? I don't think you were reading my posts. You already mistook me for the guy who posted Iman, check the post you're talking about again.
How could I have confused you with the guy that posted Iman when I was that guy? The reason I posted her was to see if you was just stereotyping or if you could actually recognize other stocks, types of black people.
The first artwork was a necklace found in southern Africa which was made thousands of years before any cave painting in Europe.

For those that don't know the significance of the mental capacity for this type of thought to make a necklace/decoration during that time, that would be the equivalent today of blacks being able to read minds and throw cars with only their brains or something.
I remember that thread homie, it came after you was losing your argument with Perongregory….. and so in your attempt to change the subject you suggested to Perongregory that he should forget the great pyramids, treasures of Egypt and focus instead on some stupid neck chain our people made in the past-- and be content and happy with that shit because it took a lot of black brain power to produce??

My bad homie….. I didn’t know you were complimenting us??
This is from this very thread by the way. I could post a lot more but I'd rather talk to someone who actually reads posts before responding to them.
Please..... If you want this conversation to remain cordial.....don’t post any more of your compliments.

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Re: Why cant non-whites create valid societies?

Unread post by George » May 18th, 2006, 5:38 am

SoG wrote:Okay maybe asians can. But it seems only whites and asians are able to create valid modern societies. Why dont Mexicans improve their own country instead of coming here and ruining this one?

Why dont Africans improve their own continent instead of begging for aid?

You dont see white people immigrating to non-white countries in the millions. It is always non-whites immigrating to our countries. Why?
STFU you idiot. Stop using Asians as if they are one with you. And for your information, take a trip down to Cambodia, parts of Vietnam, the Philippines, North Korea, Indonesia and tell me it is all peaceful and heaven like.

You piss me off.

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Unread post by George » May 18th, 2006, 5:44 am

streetsIswatchin wrote:And everyone knows that white european countries gained their dominance, power and the luxury of being able to cater to its creative minds because of their taking advantage of the rest of the world's resources and people.
So i suggest that you not pat yourself on the back too hard "SoG".
Why do you think the Queen of England and Prince Charles and his world class jerk of a family are so wealthy? LOL European powers didn't travel the world to plunder natural resources such and sugar, spices, and tea from the rest of us simply because they had the sudden urges to bake cakes and candy!

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Unread post by George » May 18th, 2006, 5:48 am

afakasi wrote:i think there were original inhabitants of the phillipines that were sorta melanesian or polynesian, like that dude from BEP looks black buts he philipino
They are called Aeta from the general Filipino population. SOme of the Aeta's have Asiantic mix in them, some have less.

You will see similar tribes in Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, and Thailand.

Just watch the Tony Jaa movie "Ong Bak" and observe the illegal fight club's referee/announcer. He is of mixed Thai Negrito heritage. It is possible he could also be of Southern Thailand's Muslim majority. He spoke perfect Thai.

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Re: Why cant non-whites create valid societies?

Unread post by Sentenza » May 18th, 2006, 6:16 am

George wrote:
SoG wrote:Okay maybe asians can. But it seems only whites and asians are able to create valid modern societies. Why dont Mexicans improve their own country instead of coming here and ruining this one?

Why dont Africans improve their own continent instead of begging for aid?

You dont see white people immigrating to non-white countries in the millions. It is always non-whites immigrating to our countries. Why?
STFU you idiot. Stop using Asians as if they are one with you. And for your information, take a trip down to Cambodia, parts of Vietnam, the Philippines, North Korea, Indonesia and tell me it is all peaceful and heaven like.

You piss me off.
Yea me too.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » May 18th, 2006, 9:41 am

George wrote:
afakasi wrote:i think there were original inhabitants of the phillipines that were sorta melanesian or polynesian, like that dude from BEP looks black buts he philipino
They are called Aeta from the general Filipino population. SOme of the Aeta's have Asiantic mix in them, some have less.

You will see similar tribes in Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, and Thailand.

Just watch the Tony Jaa movie "Ong Bak" and observe the illegal fight club's referee/announcer. He is of mixed Thai Negrito heritage. It is possible he could also be of Southern Thailand's Muslim majority. He spoke perfect Thai.
You mean like these Pinoys?
(Ignore the dude from FOX11 Morning News, but the kid next to him is Pinoy)
MiChuhSuh wrote: Image

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lol he's burnt...
Original Pinoys used to be even darker from what I heard from really old Phillipinos

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Unread post by George » May 18th, 2006, 10:53 am

Yeah. Though some of the Aeta's I have met have the "slanted" eyes too.

I don't think the Filipino society really wants to acknowledge them for the most part though. Even though many of today's modern Filipino's might actually have direct ancestors or even relatives with the Aeta's...

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » May 18th, 2006, 5:04 pm

WHat I don't understand is, I heard from grandpas and stuff is that before all the "rapeage" of their Islands that almost all Pinoys used to look like that, and in fact from the pictures I saw some of them were almost twice as dark as the Aetas. I think most Pinoys now are so mixed with Spanish or other Asians and that's why Aeta are few and far between.

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Unread post by bgcasper » May 19th, 2006, 12:08 am

ALL THIS BS ABOUT NON WHITE NOT ABLE TO CREATE VALID SHIT IS A BIG JOKE .....

PUT IT THIS WAY DID ANYONE EVER PLAYED MONOPOLI?????

OK LETS SAY THE WORLD IS A BIG MONOPOLI AND back IN THE DAYS IT WAS ALLOWED TO CHEAT ....
AND THE BIGGEST CHEATERS STOLE ALL THE GOOD PLACES AND ALL THE GOODS ....WHAT EUROPEEN DID WITH THE COLONIES AND ALL SHIT THAT DID FLOW FROM THERE IS THE BIGGEST ROBBERY OF THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY NOW ONCE U STOLE ALL THE SHIT HOW CAN U SIT back AND THINK THE WAY U THINK ??????
ITS LIKE I GO IN YOUR HOUSE I KILL U RAPE YOUR WIFE AND DAUGHTER AND USE YOUR SON AS MY SLAVE THAN MY SON COME UP AND ASK MY SON WHY HE IS SO BROKE ANGRY AND EVIL ????

MOST OF NON WHITE SOCIETY DIDNT EVEN HAD TIME TO DEVELOP WHITES DUDES WOULD JUMP OUT BOATS AND ACTUALLY FIGHT WITH OTHER WHITE FOR YOUR LAND ...THE SPANISH FRENCH AND ENGLISH WERE BEEFIN ALL AROUND THE GLOBE ON OTHERSPEOPLES LAND .
THE REST OF THE WORLD IS TRYIN TO SURVIVE ON A MAP THAT WAS MADE BY THE CHEATER ....PEACE ....

ITS NOT A QUESTION OF WHITE BLACC OR YELLOW ITS JUST THAT THERE WAS SUMTHIN CRACCIN BEFORE DEMOCRACY AND THAT SHIT MADE THE WORLD THE WAY HE IS NOW ....

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Unread post by $outhPhillypuppet » May 19th, 2006, 11:32 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
100%true

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Re: Why cant non-whites create valid societies?

Unread post by Chase-C » May 19th, 2006, 11:39 pm

SoG wrote:Okay maybe asians can. But it seems only whites and asians are able to create valid modern societies. Why dont Mexicans improve their own country instead of coming here and ruining this one?

Why dont Africans improve their own continent instead of begging for aid?

You dont see white people immigrating to non-white countries in the millions. It is always non-whites immigrating to our countries. Why?
SoG please ansewer this question? Why are you racist?

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Unread post by Chase-C » May 19th, 2006, 11:40 pm

SoG wrote:Okay maybe asians can. But it seems only whites and asians are able to create valid modern societies. Why dont Mexicans improve their own country instead of coming here and ruining this one?

Why dont Africans improve their own continent instead of begging for aid?

You dont see white people immigrating to non-white countries in the millions. It is always non-whites immigrating to our countries. Why?
SoG please answer this question? Why are you racist?

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » May 20th, 2006, 12:11 am

Hey BGCasper that was a great way of explaining how things went down to people who think whites build better societies and countries. Good shit man.

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[quote="williamwmass"][quote="SoG"]Okay maybe asians can. But it seems only whites and asians are able to create valid modern societies. Why dont Mexicans improve their own country instead of coming here and ruining this one?

Why dont Africans improve their own continent instead of begging for aid?

You dont see white people immigrating to non-white countries in the millions. It is always non-whites immigrating to our countries. Why?[/quote]

SoG please answer this question? Why are you racist?[/quote]

obviusly he is watchin his side of the coins .....
mexican are the reason u eat french fries and turket for christmass
mexican did one of the world mots mystycal and non undertsood civilation with thousands of mystery and specialist all agree how advanced they were on many field but their shit went down cause the white had the gun powder im talkin about aztecs who were an active civilisation before white dudes would say they worship the devil and start killing them ....

now africa had the nubian and believe me they was with the civisation bizzness just by watchin their construction u may feel the power of ancien egypt ..its like aztec they wonderin how they did this while the white boys were buzzy draggin their hoes by the hair black people would rise buildings with techniks still UNKNOWN

NOW ..like iv said play a monopoli game and sleep during the first ten tour ull feel like us ...when suddenly all the othaz raped all the good places with hotel on top of it ...than your life in the game will become a survivall game were u may have to beg in order to exist .
true the white owns this earth but homies it wasnt a fair game ....

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Unread post by terren2000 » June 4th, 2006, 6:56 am

MiChuhSuh wrote:
afakasi wrote:^^im not agreein with SoG, but what were whites stealing? sounds like a silly answer to me
It's not necessarily "stealing", just "learning" in most cases...

but anyways, most technology in Europe was taken from/learned from/adapted from other places.

Ex. - Triangle Sails (like the ones on trade ships)
Compass
Algebra (from the Arab "al Jaber")


But they do get credit for improving/using better some of the stuff:

Gun Powder fromt eh Chinese into effective guns and cannons and bombs
Triangle sails into combined sails like the ones on Columbus's ships

And some stuff was "re-invented" invented without knowing someone else did it first, but those are rare.

The main advantage Europe had was exposure to many places and then combining all of those ideas into their technology.
Not to agree with whites, but its not where the knowledge came from, but what was done with it.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » June 4th, 2006, 3:35 pm

Sorta true. Japan was good at taking technology from all over and using it for their empire as well.

Any time man people are exposed to different developments from all over and combine them, that's power.

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Unread post by terren2000 » June 4th, 2006, 5:05 pm

MiChuhSuh wrote:Sorta true. Japan was good at taking technology from all over and using it for their empire as well.

Any time man people are exposed to different developments from all over and combine them, that's power.
yea they say every great isea, is an extension of some1 elses idea.

Thats a good thing. people always seem to improve on inventions and ideas.

This is a good thing IMO.

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Unread post by Sentenza » June 7th, 2006, 3:35 am

terren2000 wrote:
MiChuhSuh wrote:Sorta true. Japan was good at taking technology from all over and using it for their empire as well.

Any time man people are exposed to different developments from all over and combine them, that's power.
yea they say every great isea, is an extension of some1 elses idea.

Thats a good thing. people always seem to improve on inventions and ideas.

This is a good thing IMO.
During the "Meiji-Restauration" which started in 1868 Japan took all kinds of inventions from other countries to reform their country. They sent Navy Generals to England, Infantry-Generals to Germany, learned from the English Style of building War-ships and so on and so on. This made them the biggest power in East Asia for a while.

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Unread post by SoG » June 7th, 2006, 6:38 am

Im not racist. Im merely a student of anthropology and history. While I agree that whites committed many atrocities to gain wealth and power. The simple fact is that we were able to do so because everyone else was defenseless, unevolved technologically or socially.

If those cultures we plundered were advanced enough to stop it then we wouldnt be having this discussion.

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Unread post by Sentenza » June 8th, 2006, 8:38 am

Thats the attitude....If i can rape, beat and kill you, you must be inferior.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » June 8th, 2006, 4:55 pm

Im not racist. Im merely a student of anthropology and history. While I agree that whites committed many atrocities to gain wealth and power. The simple fact is that we were able to do so because everyone else was defenseless, unevolved technologically or socially.

If those cultures we plundered were advanced enough to stop it then we wouldnt be having this discussion
Weren't you talking before about how minorities violently attack mindlessly while white's don't?

Well guess what then that contradicts this little BS you put up...

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Unread post by SoG » June 9th, 2006, 1:30 am

"mindlessly" is the key distinction

whites had a goal to achieve by any means necessary and did it. They were very mindful of what they were doing

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » June 9th, 2006, 2:01 am

And what was there goal?

Power? Money? Resources?

How is that any different from what you were criticizing?

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Unread post by SoG » June 9th, 2006, 5:22 am

Power. Money. Resources. Land. And on a large scale for the betterment of all their people. They werent stealing watches and televisions for themselves.

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Unread post by perongregory » June 9th, 2006, 5:54 pm

so it'd be cool if we eradicated all white people for the betterment of the colored races? Because by what your saying, you guys are the real scourge of the earth...stealing, killing, and lying to all for your own wants.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » June 9th, 2006, 9:48 pm

^ Seriously, complete double standard

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » June 9th, 2006, 9:48 pm

SoG you don't believe there's a God do you?

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Unread post by Sentenza » June 9th, 2006, 10:48 pm

perongregory wrote:so it'd be cool if we eradicated all white people for the betterment of the colored races? Because by what your saying, you guys are the real scourge of the earth...stealing, killing, and lying to all for your own wants.
Haha, no, please dont kill me :wink:

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