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Unread post by Sentenza » January 21st, 2007, 5:56 am

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Sentenza wrote: So a Muslim who doesnt take violent steps against muslim Terrorists is subconsciently supporting Muslim extremism?
I'm not telling you to go pick up a gun and start shooting racist, but if the time came down to do it would ride or warm the bench?


The point i'm getting at is that alot of you white people will acknowledge one form of racism but turn a blind eye to other types of racism. ya'll will sit hear and say racial discrimination and ideological racism is wrong. but you won't say shit about institutional racism, scientific racism, economic racism, crypto racist and any other form of racism that exist. so when i say john brownin it mean acknowledge all forms of racism or kick rocks simple as that.
Ok, yea....I agree.

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Unread post by johnnny » January 21st, 2007, 6:58 am

Sentenza wrote:acknowledge all forms of racism
there are whites who do.....

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Unread post by johnnny » January 21st, 2007, 7:15 am

How many here believe the whites here trying to educate themselves are racist?

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Unread post by johnnny » January 21st, 2007, 7:19 am

I treat the non racists with respect and myself and others would like the same, thats all....

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Unread post by johnnny » January 21st, 2007, 9:15 am

black wrote:lol goats and their mental disorders.

support segregation.

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Unread post by Christina Marie » January 21st, 2007, 10:36 am

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BlaKK wrote:Thats like a women who gets raped and molested daily for centuries, and the men who raped her everyday, 400 some odd years later out the wood work decide to be 'nice' and stop raping the bitch, as if the bitch is supposed to feel sympathetic, when she is innocent, nothing more then a victim of savagery.
As a woman who has been abused for a duration and yes raped, if I held a grudge on the man that did it I would be one miserable soul. I forgive him, I let it go.
is the man locked up now?
No

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:00 am

Whites will always be wicked devils.

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:05 am

The only way we will ever has peace is to seperate from them,but being the devils they are,they dont want us to and will do everything in thier power to keep us under thier control.

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:05 am

The only way we will ever has peace is to seperate from them,but being the devils they are,they dont want us to and will do everything in thier power to keep us under thier control.

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Unread post by Sentenza » January 21st, 2007, 11:05 am

madmiddle wrote:Whites will always be wicked devils.
And whats the reason for that? Genes? A pact with the devil?

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:07 am

Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:Whites will always be wicked devils.
And whats the reason for that? Genes? A pact with the devil?
Its just the way they are.

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:11 am

Blacks will never,ever have equality in a white controlled society.MLK Jr's dream was a foolish ,unrealistic one.

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Unread post by Sentenza » January 21st, 2007, 11:13 am

madmiddle wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:Whites will always be wicked devils.
And whats the reason for that? Genes? A pact with the devil?
Its just the way they are.
But you got to have an explanation for such a claim.

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:15 am

Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:Whites will always be wicked devils.
And whats the reason for that? Genes? A pact with the devil?
Its just the way they are.
But you got to have an explanation for such a claim.
400 years of proof lies right before your eyes,unless,like the vast majority of whites,you want to pretend to be blind.Mass poverty,insane incarcaration rates,and majority unemployment exists wherever in this country blacks are from coast to coast.

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:16 am

Published as a ZNet Commentary, August 2, 2001


According to a public opinion poll from a few years ago, only six percent of whites in the U.S. believe racism is still a "very serious" problem facing blacks. While larger percentages believed racism to be somewhat of a problem, only this anemic share of the white community saw it as an issue of great importance. When you consider that twice that number, or as many as 12 percent, have told pollsters they believe Elvis Presley may still be alive, it becomes apparent that delusion has taken on a whole new meaning for the dominant racial majority. Apparently, it is easier for whites to believe that a pill-popping, washed-up lounge singer faked his own death and is playing midnight gigs at some tropical resort, than to believe what black folks say they experience every day.

So it was no surprise to read yet another poll, indicating that whites largely don't think racial discrimination remains a big problem, and that whites and blacks continue to view issues of race far differently. According to the recent Gallup Survey on Black-White Relations, seven of ten whites believe blacks are treated equally in their communities; eight in ten say blacks receive equal educational opportunities, and 83 percent say blacks receive equal housing opportunities. Only a third of whites believe blacks face racial bias from police in their areas. Despite the fact that half of all blacks say they have experienced discrimination in the past month, whites persist in believing that we know their realities better than they do, and that black complaints of racism are the rantings of racial hypochondriacs. Blacks, we believe, make mountains out of molehills, for Lord knows we would never make a molehill out of a mountain!

That white perceptions regarding the extent of racial bias are rooted in ignorance is made clear by a number of important facts. First, as will be shown below, there is the evidence indicating that equal opportunity is the stuff of fiction, not documentary; and secondly, the simple truth is, white perceptions of racism's salience have always been splendidly naive. Indeed, as far back as 1963, before there was a Civil Rights Act to outlaw even the most blatant racial discrimination, sixty percent of whites said that blacks were treated equally in their communities. In 1962, only eight years after the Brown decision outlawed segregation in the nation's schools (but well before schools had moved to integrate or equalize their classrooms), a stunning eighty-four percent of whites were convinced that blacks had equal educational opportunity. In other words, white denial of the racism problem is nothing new: it was entrenched even when this nation operated under a formal system of apartheid.

Of course, this ignorance of the lived realities of black people is no surprise. Rather, it is the result of our isolation from African Americans in daily life. More than eighty percent of whites live in virtually all-white neighborhoods, and nearly nine in ten white suburbanites live in communities with less than one percent black populations. What's more, only twelve percent of whites in law school today -- who by historical standards have had more opportunity to mix with people of color than any generation before them -- say they had significant interaction with blacks while growing up. One can expect this degree of isolation to lead to a skewed perception of what other people experience. After all, if one doesn't know many blacks, or witness discrimination, it is all the more likely that one will find the notion of widespread mistreatment hard to digest. Especially when one has been socialized to give more credence to what members of one's own group say, than what the racial "other" tells us is true.

Don't misunderstand; I'm not suggesting that every time a black person says they've been discriminated against that they are, in fact, correct. Individuals can misperceive certain situations. But the reality of individual misperception should not lead to the widespread belief in mass black delusion, which is the only way one can read the Gallup figures. For so many whites to believe blacks have equal opportunity is not only to discount a few claims of discrimination that may be without merit: rather, it is to reject the broad swath of claims that virtually every African American can bring forth from their personal mental rolodex. Fact is, if even one-tenth of the black claims of discrimination were accurate, this would translate into over 1.75 million cases of anti-black racial bias every month, based on survey data. Unfortunately, it's doubtful the numbers are this small.

Though the Gallup survey didn't address racial discrimination in the labor market, there is little question that when whites say blacks are treated equally, they assume this to be true for the world of work. But what is the reality? According to a recent study by the Russell Sage Foundation, even though blacks search for work longer and often more aggressively than whites, they are between 36-44 percent less likely to be hired for jobs in mostly white suburbs, even when their experience and qualifications are equal to their white counterparts. White males with a high school diploma are just as likely to have a job, and tend to earn just as much as black males with college degrees; and on average, even when age, experience, education and other relevant factors are similar, blacks are paid at least 10 percent less than comparable whites.

As for education, the picture is much the same. Although formal segregation is illegal, de facto segregation remains a reality thanks to "ability tracking," which has less to do with actual ability, and more to do with racial and class bias against children of color and those from low-income families. Beginning as early as kindergarten, teachers and counselors separate students based on so-called cognitive skill levels, despite evidence that the tests used to determine these skill levels are inaccurate predictors of ability and terribly biased against students from non-dominant cultural backgrounds. Even when black students show potential that is equal to or above that of whites, they are far less likely to be placed in advanced classes, according to the head of the College Board. Despite evidence of ability, blacks are 2.5 times more likely to be placed in remedial classes, where they will typically be taught by the least qualified teachers, be given less challenging material to learn, and receive on average nearly 40 hours less actual instruction annually.

So too is educational inequity fostered by unequal discipline, meted out in a racially disparate manner. Even though black and white rates of school rule infractions are roughly equal, black students are twice as likely as whites to be suspended or expelled. Blacks are half of all students suspended or expelled for weapons violations, even though self-report surveys indicate whites are just as likely to bring weapons to school, and white males are actually twice as likely as black males to do so. Since blacks are more likely to be suspected, thanks to common stereotypes about violence and delinquency, they are the ones who get searched and caught, but this hardly means they break the rules more often. According to studies by the Applied Research Center, the disproportionate rate of black suspensions is the result of greater punishment given for subjective infractions like "defying authority," or "attitude problems," both of which are perceived as more threatening when coming from black students than whites.

As for housing, virtually every study on housing bias in rental and mortgage markets for three decades has found evidence of substantial ongoing discrimination. According to the Department of Housing and Urban Development, there may be up to two million cases of racial housing bias each year, and as many as half of all blacks may face discrimination when trying to rent an apartment or purchase a home. According to the Boston Federal Reserve Bank, whites are fifty-six percent more likely to receive a mortgage loan than blacks, even after controlling for thirty-eight factors that could explain different acceptance rates, including credit, collateral, and income. Nationwide, mortgage rejection rates for the highest income blacks are roughly the same as those for the lowest income whites.

Finally, white protestations that blacks receive equal treatment from police in their communities, are nothing short of laughable. A look at police prosecution of the war on drugs alone gives the lie to white claims of equal law enforcement. Though blacks are fewer than fourteen percent of illegal drug users, they are thirty-five percent of those arrested for possession. In many communities, including some of the ones where whites claim there is no bias in policing, blacks face arrest rates for drugs that are five, ten, even twenty times higher than the rates for whites, despite roughly equal rates of drug usage. Though a slim majority of whites admit that racial profiling -- one clear example of unequal treatment -- does happen, few believe it happens where they live. Yet in state after state, studies have found a disproportionate rate of highway and surface street stops of vehicles driven by blacks, and searches of cars driven by blacks, above and beyond the rates of black traffic infractions, which otherwise might create reasonable cause. In New York City, from 1997-1998, the NYPD's Street Crimes Unit stopped and frisked 135,000 people, 85 percent of whom were people of color. Only 4500 persons were ultimately arrested and prosecuted, meaning that over 95 percent of those harassed were innocent. Interestingly, whites who were stopped were significantly more likely to be found with drugs or other contraband, indicating that not only was this policy of racial stops and searches a biased one, but it failed the test as valid crime control on its own merits as well.

Of course, I hardly expect the facts to matter much, as lots of whites seem impervious to them. When it comes to racial realities, the levels of ignorance are so ingrained as to be almost laughable. Perhaps that's why twelve percent of whites actually say blacks are a majority of the nation's population, and why most whites, according to one recent survey, believe blacks are a third of the nation's population, instead of the thirteen percent they actually represent. We seem to see black people everywhere, and apparently we see them doing quite well. We even see them as our buddies. Seventy-five percent of whites in one poll indicated that they had close black friends (friends, as in plural). Sounds great, until you realize that seventy-five percent of white Americans represents about 145 million people. Imagine that: 145 million people who say they have multiple black friends, despite the fact that there are only 35 million black people to go around, which means one of two things: either whites are clueless about black people, friendships (or both), or black folks are mighty damned busy, running from white house to white house to white house, being our friends.

Let's just say that if the last of these is true, we can put away all that nonsense about blacks "taking our jobs." After all, how could blacks have time to work, what with all the backyard barbecues they're attending at the houses of their white pals? Hell, maybe Elvis will even invite them all to Graceland when he makes his triumphant return to Memphis. Don't laugh: some people will believe anything.

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:17 am

Yet another study finds that racial discrimination is alive and well in the hiring process, and it's keeping black men in metro Milwaukee on the unemployment rolls.

The study offers this fictional scenario:

A young, white, male high school graduate with a felony conviction applies in person for entry level jobs as a driver, a dishwasher, a laborer, warehouse worker and production worker that are advertised in the newspaper and admits to employers that he served 18 months in prison for possession of cocaine with intent to sell.

A young black man with similar education, work history and style of presentation, but with no criminal record, applies for the same jobs.

Who do you think is more likely to be called back?

If you picked the white man with the felony conviction, you guessed right.

This study offers evidence that discrimination remains a major factor in the economic lives of black men, and highlights the fear and misunderstanding of black males that permeate the local job market.

Devah Pager, a sociologist at Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill., sent equally matched pairs of testers - two black and two white - to apply for low-skilled jobs at 350 places of employment in the Milwaukee area and found that white ex-offenders were more likely to be called back for an interview than black applicants who had no criminal record.

Students test employers

In this detailed study, bright, articulate, college students posed as job applicants. Even though the results were strikingly close, black men without criminal records were called back only 14% of the time, while whites with criminal records were called back 17% of the time.

The study, titled "The Mark of a Criminal Record," was conducted in Milwaukee between June and December 2001, and the results were released last month.

"It shows there's a great deal of work that has to be done in the education of employers and working on attitudes," says Julia Taylor, president of the Greater Milwaukee Committee. "This type of racial disparity in employment practices really impacts us as a region. It impacts our work force, and it really impacts how the inner-city moves forward."

Pager chose Milwaukee for her experiment because it is representative of most large metropolitan areas in its size, racial demographics and industrial base, she says.

The study's findings would surprise few African-Americans in this city, who know from experience that this kind of discrimination exists in the job market. Research shows that white Americans, however, have been led to think that direct, racial discrimination of this nature has become less of a problem in our society.

It was even surprising to Pager, a young white woman.

"I expected that there would be an effect of race. I thought the effect of a criminal record would swamp other effects," Pager says. "That assumption was clearly wrong. It really suggests that stereotypes and assumptions about black males are very much a factor in hiring decisions."

Facing tougher odds

The study demonstrates the increased odds black male ex-offenders face in finding employment and successfully reintegrating into the economic mainstream, says Lenard Wells, chairman of the Milwaukee Parole Commission and a former Milwaukee police officer.

"It's as if there's a concerted effort to keep black men from getting employment, to keep them oppressed," says Wells, former president of the League of Martin, an organization of black Milwaukee police officers.

"We say we want to reintegrate individuals into the community. We say that we want to do something about unemployment in the black community, yet we want to pretend that it's a criminal record that prevents blacks from getting jobs. It's blatant, undisputed, racism," he says.

Combine the effects of race and a criminal record, and the problem becomes worse. For instance, only 5% of black men with criminal records received callbacks from employers, the study found.

White men without criminal records fared the best in the Milwaukee-area job market, with 34% receiving callbacks from employers.

Keep in mind that it's illegal to discriminate against applicants with criminal records unless the circumstances of the crime correspond closely to the requirements of the job, says Phoebe Weaver Williams, an associate professor of law at Marquette University who specializes in employment discrimination.

"What's frustrating is that, after so many years of having laws in place, the laws haven't corrected the problem," Weaver Williams says.

Clearly, the study's findings demonstrate that a criminal record closes doors on employment.

Still, employers are averse to taking risks on black applicants, whom they perceive to have criminal tendencies, the study says. For example, black testers were more likely to be asked by employers whether they had any convictions, yet none of the white testers were asked about their criminal histories up front.

Image problems

A couple of factors that work against young black men is their portrayal in the media as gangsters, thugs and rappers on the fringes of society, and the fact that more black men are going to prison than college, according to a report by the U.S. Justice Department.

The sad reality is that the majority of those inmates will be released back into communities where they have little opportunity to obtain legitimate work. Research shows that one of the factors for recidivism is employment.

Black felons face a hostile job market in Milwaukee, says Wendell Hruska, associate director of Project Return, a Milwaukee agency that helps felons and people convicted of misdemeanors find employment.

"Discrimination is very much a problem. That's what we've been hearing from our clients," Hruska says. "A lot of people get discouraged. Unfortunately, many of them give up. You really can't blame people when you've been out there for months putting in applications and you hear nothing back."

This research helps us measure the degree of discrimination that exists in the hiring process.

But the question remains: How do we attack a problem that so affects the economic lives of black men in Milwaukee, where many employers still make hiring decisions colored by fear and misunderstanding?

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Unread post by Sentenza » January 21st, 2007, 11:20 am

madmiddle wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:Whites will always be wicked devils.
And whats the reason for that? Genes? A pact with the devil?
Its just the way they are.
But you got to have an explanation for such a claim.
400 years of proof lies right before your eyes,unless,like the vast majority of whites,you want to pretend to be blind.Mass poverty,insane incarcaration rates,and majority unemployment exists wherever in this country blacks are from coast to coast.
I did not dispute that, i was just asking for an explanation whats the reason for whites being evil. There has got to be a reason, like the reason for someone being ill is a virus.

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:21 am

Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:Whites will always be wicked devils.
And whats the reason for that? Genes? A pact with the devil?
Its just the way they are.
But you got to have an explanation for such a claim.
400 years of proof lies right before your eyes,unless,like the vast majority of whites,you want to pretend to be blind.Mass poverty,insane incarcaration rates,and majority unemployment exists wherever in this country blacks are from coast to coast.
I did not dispute that, i was just asking for an explanation whats the reason for whites being evil. There has got to be a reason, like the reason for someone being ill is a virus.
They are greedy, and completely disregard others feelings and needs.

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:23 am

''everything for me,nothing/very little for you''

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:36 am

Christina Marie wrote:
frozen fire wrote:
Christina Marie wrote:
BlaKK wrote:Thats like a women who gets raped and molested daily for centuries, and the men who raped her everyday, 400 some odd years later out the wood work decide to be 'nice' and stop raping the bitch, as if the bitch is supposed to feel sympathetic, when she is innocent, nothing more then a victim of savagery.
As a woman who has been abused for a duration and yes raped, if I held a grudge on the man that did it I would be one miserable soul. I forgive him, I let it go.
is the man locked up now?
No
Misery comes in the situation placed upon you,not being angry about the situation.I notice many whites feel we should acceopt being shitted on in society with a smile,because if we dont, the anger will ''eat us alive''.

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:37 am

^^^And youre a fool for forgiving someone for abusing you when they did pay for,or even acknowledge,thier crime.

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:38 am

If its even true,I swear,white women get raped more than Bush lies.

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Unread post by Sentenza » January 21st, 2007, 11:42 am

madmiddle wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:Whites will always be wicked devils.
And whats the reason for that? Genes? A pact with the devil?
Its just the way they are.
But you got to have an explanation for such a claim.
400 years of proof lies right before your eyes,unless,like the vast majority of whites,you want to pretend to be blind.Mass poverty,insane incarcaration rates,and majority unemployment exists wherever in this country blacks are from coast to coast.
I did not dispute that, i was just asking for an explanation whats the reason for whites being evil. There has got to be a reason, like the reason for someone being ill is a virus.
They are greedy, and completely disregard others feelings and needs.
But why? If you blame it on race, it reminds me of certain racist ideologies. This and that race is like this and that by nature.

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Unread post by 'X' » January 21st, 2007, 11:49 am

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Sentenza wrote: So a Muslim who doesnt take violent steps against muslim Terrorists is subconsciently supporting Muslim extremism?
I'm not telling you to go pick up a gun and start shooting racist, but if the time came down to do it would ride or warm the bench?


The point i'm getting at is that alot of you white people will acknowledge one form of racism but turn a blind eye to other types of racism. ya'll will sit hear and say racial discrimination and ideological racism is wrong. but you won't say shit about institutional racism, scientific racism, economic racism, crypto racist and any other form of racism that exist. so when i say john brownin it mean acknowledge all forms of racism or kick rocks simple as that.

here's a perfect example of what i'm talking about. you white people will acknowledge that the shit that happened to mlk was racist but you won't acknowledge that racism destroyed the panthers.


This brutha another one of the few reasons I come here. Very well said brutha!!

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Unread post by 'X' » January 21st, 2007, 11:50 am

madmiddle wrote:MLK Jr's dream was a foolish ,unrealistic one.
I agree and he recognized this before the enemy killed him...

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:52 am

Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:
Sentenza wrote: And whats the reason for that? Genes? A pact with the devil?
Its just the way they are.
But you got to have an explanation for such a claim.
400 years of proof lies right before your eyes,unless,like the vast majority of whites,you want to pretend to be blind.Mass poverty,insane incarcaration rates,and majority unemployment exists wherever in this country blacks are from coast to coast.
I did not dispute that, i was just asking for an explanation whats the reason for whites being evil. There has got to be a reason, like the reason for someone being ill is a virus.
They are greedy, and completely disregard others feelings and needs.
But why? If you blame it on race, it reminds me of certain racist ideologies. This and that race is like this and that by nature.
But why?lol ask white people that shit.And I blame it on race because I call it like I see it/

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 11:53 am

White people choose to be evil and greedy,its not in thier genes its in thier culture.

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Unread post by Sentenza » January 21st, 2007, 12:12 pm

madmiddle wrote:But why?lol ask white people that shit.And I blame it on race because I call it like I see it/
Ok, but that sounds like a white guy to me who talks racist shit about black people. Just fill in "black people" into your statement and imagine a white racist saying that.

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Unread post by Sentenza » January 21st, 2007, 12:14 pm

'X' wrote:
black wrote:
Sentenza wrote: So a Muslim who doesnt take violent steps against muslim Terrorists is subconsciently supporting Muslim extremism?
I'm not telling you to go pick up a gun and start shooting racist, but if the time came down to do it would ride or warm the bench?


The point i'm getting at is that alot of you white people will acknowledge one form of racism but turn a blind eye to other types of racism. ya'll will sit hear and say racial discrimination and ideological racism is wrong. but you won't say shit about institutional racism, scientific racism, economic racism, crypto racist and any other form of racism that exist. so when i say john brownin it mean acknowledge all forms of racism or kick rocks simple as that.

here's a perfect example of what i'm talking about. you white people will acknowledge that the shit that happened to mlk was racist but you won't acknowledge that racism destroyed the panthers.


This brutha another one of the few reasons I come here. Very well said brutha!!
Are you 100% sure that i am not aware of such things? And if yes, how so?
But i am also aware that this is no white phenomenon anymore since a long time. Its a social and cultural problem.

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Unread post by madmiddle » January 21st, 2007, 2:06 pm

Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:But why?lol ask white people that shit.And I blame it on race because I call it like I see it/
Ok, but that sounds like a white guy to me who talks racist shit about black people. Just fill in "black people" into your statement and imagine a white racist saying that.
So the white race gets off the hook for oppressing others,because pointing out this,makes me just as guilty as them?lol.

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Unread post by Sentenza » January 21st, 2007, 2:10 pm

madmiddle wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
madmiddle wrote:But why?lol ask white people that shit.And I blame it on race because I call it like I see it/
Ok, but that sounds like a white guy to me who talks racist shit about black people. Just fill in "black people" into your statement and imagine a white racist saying that.
So the white race gets off the hook for oppressing others,because pointing out this,makes me just as guilty as them?lol.
No, but being racist is no answer to racism. Its just going down the same route and repeating mistakes.

Believe me Madmiddle, i have done enough research so far, to know about these things you are pointing out, but blaming it on white people as a race is missing the whole point.

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