War=Evolution/Progress?

[Sentenza]

Let me know what you think about that? Has War been one of the major factors that contributed to the development of mankind? Or has it kept mankind from developing?

[johnnny]

-Think about it they split the atom then BANG, nuclear energy, and then this whole new branch of sciences emerge

-Think of the new alloys and polymers that are developed for practical civilian purposes... they originally started out as military inventions

-or if you wanna think back in the day, think about your soup can, to feed the troops campaigning in eastern europe, napoleans men packaged food in cans so they stay fresher longer for people to eat

^---- might need verification on that

-the V2 rockets used by germany to attack britian, that technology was used to go to space

-the list goes on....


And historically it appears to be essential

[frozen fire]

Let me know what you think about that? Has War been one of the major factors that contributed to the development of mankind? Or has it kept mankind from developing?

War always changes things, mostly for the worst, but i still dont get your question, can you be a little bit more specific please.

[frozen fire]

my bad i read wrong...back to the question..

I believe wars set people back, they waste resources and human lives! they create loss and confusion in people. its not only after sometime that people get back up and build from the ruble left behind by the war.

You cant accopmplish much by brute force.

[Sentenza]

I think your both right, but i think war has been one of the most important factors in history of mankind....Unfortunately.
Now i may be wrong, but i think it is also one of the reasons Europeans had the better weapons when they were colonizing the world, cause due to the thousands of wars on european soil and the pressure of the dense population, on the relatively small continent of europe, which also caused many wars (there was no space to expand into without war), the need for superior military technics and weapons caused the europeans to create the powerful military that allowed them to invade the world. I may be wrong, it is just a theory of mine.
On other continents there was almost always plenty of space to evade to, so there was not necessarily a need to create "armed to the teeth" armies in order to survive. That may also be a reason why Japan always had an outstanding military in their region.....
In addition, many inventions have been made, caused by war times, like Johnny said. Now dont get me wrong, i am all against war, just trying to analyze it rationally.

What do you think?

[frozen fire]

yeeah the preparation for war does make humans advance in many areas, but its only after the war they realize how much they lost. its like takin two steps forward and three steps back.

[johnnny]

-war does some crazy shit to people, it gets people thinking, most of us think alot clearer under pressure...
-but on the other hand alot of important advances were made without war

-The ancient egyptians basically created the art of surveying when they made the pyramids, and that has helped us map the earth in great detail

-the ancient mayans who created there short and long count calenders from just star gazing

-you know whats crazy is that the American civil war had the first ironclad battle, and as the world watched every other navy in the world became obsolete, that started a new age in naval warfare and shipping etc...

-most things like math theory, physics etc are invented during peace times, and they dont find uses till war times, then after people are like duh we could use these ideas for that etc

[johnnnny]

-heres another example of what wars do to people

-the compound nitrate is used for many things from explosives to fertalizers and its a VERY important compund to human society

-anyways when the country known as chile was being founded there was a VERY large nitrate(saltpeter) deposit that was discovered, very large. Chile fought Bolivia+peru for its control before 1900, anyways

-Germany exported alot of nitrate to its country to feed and arm its population. But when ww1 started the british navy effectivly and completly cut off germany from chile (no dice), lol.

-Anyways germany would have lost ww1 on this simple fact but those germans i tell ya those are some smart fuckers cause heres what they did they created the Haber and Ostwald processes. This allowed them to make synthetic nitric acid and ammonia. This allowed them to arm and feed themselves. WOW . And believe it or not we use this stuff almost every day in some way or shape.

peace

[johnnnny]

^-- another example of making something outof nothing,literally

[punamusta]

Main reason why people tend to think that at war times people are more creative is that at war times governments puts a lot more money to different kinds of research and developing projects.

[Sentenza]

Main reason why people tend to think that at war times people are more creative is that at war times governments puts a lot more money to different kinds of research and developing projects.

I think, that because there have been so many wars in the history of europe, the technical developement in militarily aspects have gone quite far, which is one reason for europes world domination later (during the Renaissance and later on).
Not because white people were superior to others culturally or more intelligent, but because they had the weapons to invade the world.

What do you think?

[Lonewolf]

War=Evolution/Progress?

= CIVILIZATION, The Tower of Babel!

MAN's REBELLION AGAINST "GOD"

CAIN SLAYING OF ABEL!

CIVILIZATION "CAN NOT" LIVE & PROSPER
WITHOUT >>> W A R

[johnnnny]

-naw civilization can survive without war there is actually alot more accomplished during peace time then war, but its close.

-and all that smarts is nothing without a little know how to go along with it, you know what i mean? FOr example the germans near the end of the war commisioned tiger and panther tanks. These babies were super tough they could take a direct rocket hit and still move without much damage done to it. (pretty crazy for back then)And were far superior to the american shermans and british tanks. But because it was near the end of the war the germans didnt have enough resources to make alot of them. Anyways heres my point, whenever one was damaged and needed to be repaired the average german mechanic at this time of the war couldnt fix it because its innerworkings were too complex to understand. So after about 6 months before the war ended whenever a tiger or panther would be damaged and couldnt operate, the germans ha no choice but to abonden it. And if they had the know how around at the time the germans may have been able to hold the allied ground forces at bay, while there new jet fighters could do the rest. But it didnt happen

-And the germans were the only people in ww2 with jet fighters, they had the jet fighter mad by like 1943, but hitler didnt want a jet fighter but a jet bomber so he didnt produce the jet fighter till the end. Which is very good for us cause IF HE HAD we'd all be learning german as a second language

[frozen fire]

Main reason why people tend to think that at war times people are more creative is that at war times governments puts a lot more money to different kinds of research and developing projects.

[Sentenza]

Which is very good for us cause IF HE HAD we'd all be learning german as a second language

No, itd be your first language..

[johnnnny]

^--- and we would be going to the circus every friday night

[frozen fire]

[Sentenza]

War=Evolution/Progress?

= CIVILIZATION, The Tower of Babel!

MAN's REBELLION AGAINST "GOD"

CAIN SLAYING OF ABEL!

CIVILIZATION "CAN NOT" LIVE & PROSPER
WITHOUT >>> W A R

But what do you think is it, that drives humans into the delusion to go to war over mostly BS things? I mean lets face it, 99.9% of the wars in history were over straight non sense

As much as we are able to cooperate and create greater things and civilizations we are able to destroy it in a hearbeat and go at each others throats, like there was no tomorrow.

Shouldnt we be smarter than that? Will we ever be?

[frozen fire]

As long as one nation has the upperhand, he will try to rule.
As long as one nation is oppressed he would fight back.

[johnnnny]

Main reason why people tend to think that at war times people are more creative is that at war times governments puts a lot more money to different kinds of research and developing projects.

thats true but money doesnt always solve mans problems, i think its the flexiable nature of man that made wars go to different levels