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Unread post by Lonewolf » June 27th, 2007, 11:13 am

OTHER THAN NOOG & SENTENZA, WHICH ONE OF YOU ALL ARE FROM OR IN EUROPE?

INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW ALL THIS MEXICAN AND BLACK GANG STYLE IS VIEWED UP THERE.

INTERESTED TO KNOW JUST HOW WE ARE VIEWED AS "NATIONS & CULTURES"?

INTERESTED TO KNOW WHY IT IS THAT YOU BE COMING UP HERE TO GET INTO ALL THIS.

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Unread post by Lonewolf » June 28th, 2007, 12:16 pm

NO EUROPEANS IN THE HOUSE :?:

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Unread post by londonpride » June 29th, 2007, 1:37 am

How do view black and hispanic gangs?You only have to look whats happening in london and around uk major citys,young black lads is forming gangs,some new some older but all far more gun crazy than in the past.They aint looking to old skool london gangsters they looking at american street gangs and jamaican yardies who use ultra violence.They wanted america well now there getting it with all the murders and guns that go with it.They would have been better of leaving the guns to americans.Now a gun culture is developing in inner citys around uk

Why are we interested?Probaly the same reason why so many americans are fascinated by SOCCER HOOLIGANS.

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Unread post by Lonewolf » June 29th, 2007, 11:16 am

So how does all the surveillance play out? I mean, the Brits got cameras up the ying yang right? So how can "gangs" go about? Are they "street gangs" or are they like criminal posse's going about it like the Tijuana cartels?

I don't know about there being much interest in Holligans down here in the States, cause soccer ain't too popular, but I think I can see where you're coming from on that.

Please continue sir. . .

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Unread post by punamusta » June 29th, 2007, 5:48 pm

For me personally the reason why I'm here is that first I found this netsite when looking up gangsta rap forums from internet. I've been listening gangsta rap from the '92 and I was interested of some gangsta rappers backgrounds.

This gang culture you have in the USA don't mean that much to me, but it was interesting to notice how similar mind sets "criminal" people have in the USA compared to same kind of people in Finland. These's things seems to be universal.

What it comes to nation, USA isn't that highly appreciated here. I know that in USA you make a big difference between different colour people, but here basically every American is just American. No matter of their skin colour. And Americans aren't that appreciated here at all. But I know some gang members here that respect the gang culture there, but as we have such a different gang culture here (organized gangs, not streetgangs), there aren't that many of those. People mostly look up for some well known organized crime syndicates than american street gangs.

Personally I think that this whole street gang culture is just plain stupid. I don't know what makes people to join street gangs even today, but it all seems stupid and childish. I have respect for the people who work in the "organized crime", but street gangs are a different thing. It seems that there are too much nonsense going on all the time.

But no disrespect to anyone. You do what you got to do.

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Unread post by Sentenza » June 29th, 2007, 5:51 pm

punamusta wrote:I know that in USA you make a big difference between different colour people, but here basically every American is just American.
Cosign that. Same here.

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Unread post by Lonewolf » June 29th, 2007, 6:38 pm

punamusta wrote:For me personally the reason why I'm here is that first I found this netsite when looking up gangsta rap forums from internet. I've been listening gangsta rap from the '92 and I was interested of some gangsta rappers backgrounds.

This gang culture you have in the USA don't mean that much to me, but it was interesting to notice how similar mind sets "criminal" people have in the USA compared to same kind of people in Finland. These's things seems to be universal.

What it comes to nation, USA isn't that highly appreciated here. I know that in USA you make a big difference between different colour people, but here basically every American is just American. No matter of their skin colour. And Americans aren't that appreciated here at all. But I know some gang members here that respect the gang culture there, but as we have such a different gang culture here (organized gangs, not streetgangs), there aren't that many of those. People mostly look up for some well known organized crime syndicates than american street gangs.

Personally I think that this whole street gang culture is just plain stupid. I don't know what makes people to join street gangs even today, but it all seems stupid and childish. I have respect for the people who work in the "organized crime", but street gangs are a different thing. It seems that there are too much nonsense going on all the time.

But no disrespect to anyone. You do what you got to do.
This is straight talk, that's real talk coming and I appreciate the honesty.

I know for most people it is hard to understand the "street gang" and its appeal to American youth per say, and I would have to go way too deep into details in spilling my feel on it. . Simply put, they are armed camps in Gangland America cause that's what keeps the system going and that's how it all developed out here. From Manifest Destiny, to Racial, Cultural and Religious discrimination, it all served to alieanate people. But underneath it all, everyone is sick, everyone loves the sh*t, everyone is cool with the cancer. I can argue about how for the Chicano side ~~> it was a "Nationalistin and Cultural" affront to the powers to be, and how it was all tied in with the preservation of culture and family, but that was then, because today, its all the same. BIG EGOS and LOST SOULS if you were to ask me. So in essence, yeah is childish and stupid like you said; nevertheless, the system still feeds of the way things works, CRIMINALIZATION IS THE NAME OF THE SYSTEM. . In my world, there's a new "organized" gang culture on the rise, more powerful that most people dare to imagine, but it is reaching out with its tentacles to every corner of the Americas and soon, it will take its serious toll. Right now, people don't feel it much cause the Man got the guns and the training, but everything is just a face, a cover up, because underneath it all, the system is broken. The system can't even control the jails no more, and politicians all they care about today is "the corporations", they don't care about people and they don't care about communities. They share some of the wealth, but the power is ever more becoming centralized, and more and more people feel like they are lilttle nobodies, they feel like they gotta "steal" that piece of the pie, and for that -- they gotta join up. Its a tribal world out here, it just seems like all is in order, but the system is drowning in its own ignorance. ENTER THE ORGANIZED GANG WORLD!

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Unread post by niro » June 30th, 2007, 3:31 pm

american gang culture is real different from here, thats y some of us interested to kno more bout it...of course u get the copycat crips and bloods stuff here but that the minority.

On the latino front we aint got many as US has, no where near as many. I find their culture and gang style interestin u kno cos it aint over here, its real different so its interestin.

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Unread post by Noog » July 3rd, 2007, 9:28 am

Thats right Niro - we have no big latin population....though personally I know peeps from all over Latin America (love those gally's), from Chile to Brazil, living here in London. First time I saw the latin thing was as a little youth in the gym - MTV was on and it was playing LA Raza by Kidfrost - I looked and thought, 'where the fuccc is that?' I didn't even know it was in America! But I liked the style. Then forgot all about it.
Years later, after, came on here because little youts are going gang crazy in my neighbourhood, so I could see what was happening in other places where this gang virus had infected deep - and see if I could distill anything useful for here...most of the gangs I know here in HAckney aren't c or b copycat things, but have copied yardie styles more so - more drugs crews than streetgangs till this century - but now, I can't keep up with the gangs popping up - and yeah, many lickle youts are into the latino style, even if the youts are black and white - its a mash up thing - but more so into the c and b thing - its a franchise thing! Mostly though, here its a London thing - and as peeps said well above - we wanted America, now we got it. Fucccin great eh.

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Unread post by Lonewolf » July 5th, 2007, 5:37 pm

niro wrote:american gang culture is real different from here, thats y some of us interested to kno more bout it...of course u get the copycat crips and bloods stuff here but that the minority.

On the latino front we aint got many as US has, no where near as many. I find their culture and gang style interestin u kno cos it aint over here, its real different so its interestin.
Well you know I'm gonna catch a lot of Flak from many in here, but, a lot of that CCC'S & BBB'S "gang style" came from US CHICANO KIDS :shock:

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Unread post by Champignon » August 23rd, 2007, 1:31 pm

Why do i post here and why did i come back

I see people who are pissed off with the current state of things in the wrld like me

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Unread post by sweclockern » October 5th, 2007, 8:21 am

Usually i think we dont hear much of US gangs on news. It´s more like when we look at movies or read about gangs and mafia on the internet. But i think the most hade the same.. "feelings" for gangs or know how they are as people in the us does. (sorry for my bad english).

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » October 7th, 2007, 11:28 am

After hanging out with my new roommate who's a new exchange student from Norway, I can say without a reasonable doubt that his part of Norway and my part of the US are completely incomparable. And it's not a language barrier because he speaks perfect English even though he's lived there all his life.

Politically their system is just so different that everything is not only backwards, but their spectrum is actually in another dimension. Not only is it turned 180 degrees, but it's also twisted sideways. Because they are a very small country, and because of the revenue from their oil industry, they have a decent socialist system in place with parliament and all that democracy as well. What they call liberals, we would call "reactionaries" or "extreme" libertarians. They want absolutely no government interference, in either economics or social issues. They even have Communists in Parliament. And their conservatives are basically socialists.

Racially their issues are mostly about Pakistani immigrants. They feel like their system is being hustled by them. They also got some African immigrants. But the weirdest thing to me: terms. He asked me if calling someone "black" here was derogatory because he said in Norway it was like borderline calling someone a "n*gger." So I said not, black isn't a derogatory term here and he was like hmm.. but later he was talking and he started saying "colored" LOL. Apparently that's the "polite" term over there.

But the biggest social difference is that at least where he comes from people seem to be much more mature and decent human beings. He saw a flyer for some function out here and he kept saying how he wanted to go but he didn't have anyone to take him, and how he wanted to get drunk and sh*t. I'm a "Christian" now, and trying to be serious about it - but since the ethics of "Christianity" is so watered down let's say in terms of drugs, alcohol, and sex, and other ethics I'm practically a Sunni Muslim. But I felt sorry for him because he's in a new country and doesn't really know anyone yet. So I was like, okay, I'll just take him there, hang out in the back, and give him a ride back. I don't think he's grasped that our college isn't in a great place. On the way there this car pulled up next to us and these guys were tripping so I started saying without really moving my mouth "Don't turn your head. Don't look at them. Look straight ahead, STRAIGHT AHEAD." But he turned his head to the other car and was like "What? I can't hear you!" I started near shouting at him "I SAID DON'T TURN YOUR HEAD, LOOK STRAIGHT AHEAD AND IGNORE THEM." But he said "Wait they're trying to ask us something" and actually started rolling the window down. F*ck a red light, I didn't see any cars in the way so we were gone. Then at the function I just said this isn't really my thing so I'm just gonna hang out here and find me when you're done. Like I said, I'm practically a Sunni Muslim - no alcohol, no drugs/smoking, no premarital sex, not even freak dancing is permissible. So I just tried to stand back, but some hoe walked up to me and started grinding her ass on me. Understand, I NEVER pulled b*tches like that before, even before a became a Christian. And she was looking fly, and she had a nice fat ass too. So now I had to walk away from it, but of course my body doesn't want to cooperate so I wasn't walking as much as I forced a struggled, slow, stumble away. And she looked mad and of course every dude around that saw it thought that I must be retarded or gay. And it kept happening! - it was like a damn Axe Effect commercial. I swear I think Satan was just trying to f*ck around with me now that I can't. Why didn't this happen to me before I became Christian??? But after about an hour this guy came back to me looking all scared and said, "um.. you wanna go back now?" LOL He was kinda freaked out.

He wanted to come see America but he really chose the wrong CS/college, I think he's gonna get a bad impression of America now. I love America and I don't want live in any other country forever, but it seems like his part of Norway is a really nice place to be.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » October 7th, 2007, 11:34 am

Oh yeah, I forgot to add, they have a state chruch and tax religion system. 4% income tax goes to the state church. However, if you are part of one of the "acceptable religions" like Islam, then your 4% goes to your mosque. Basically they mandate people to pay taxes to their religious groups because even though they're socialist they believe religion is positive for society. But if you are not religious, or a different/minority denomination of an "accepted" religion, or even atheist, you money has to go there. If you are atheist your 4% goes to the church. And being confirmed in the church gets you a slightly higher pay in any job.

He's an atheist but he doesn't think the system is gonna go away for a long time because people are just okay with it now. And even as an atheist socialist he agrees that their church system has done positive things for their country.

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Unread post by Sentenza » October 7th, 2007, 1:43 pm

MiChuhSuh wrote:They even have Communists in Parliament.
Many European countries have that.

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Unread post by Noog » October 10th, 2007, 11:17 am

Yeah man, I'm no communist, but I am old school socialist.....

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Unread post by Jinky » November 13th, 2007, 6:31 am

Gangs here dont no nuffin about American street gangs, weve had gangs since 1930's street gangs and orginised gangs. Need to know anythin just ask.

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Unread post by tttmrk » December 9th, 2007, 10:21 pm

Holla. I just registered to this forum and am happy to notice that there's already another finnish person on the forum. So he already wrote a little about how the US is viewed here. I could write about the same subject for an eternity but I won't be doing that.

I found streetgangs.com while I was searching the internet for any gang related material. I first became interested of streetgangs through gangsta rap, as so many others. I have been very interested in gangs, especially in Los Angeles, because I find the situation there unique and nowadays very unlikely here in europe and in many other places. Sören Kierkegaard, the well known philosopher, said at some point of his life that his biggest wish is to find something that he was willing to live and die for. Later he turned into a christian and that was the thing for him. I have been very interested in this need that many human beings have, the need to have something to blindly believe in. Street gangs seemed to be an example of how small the thing to believe in could be: a block or any other small piece of territory. So I wanted to research the motives of gang members for bangin, was it really only about the territory, and if it wasn't, what other motives there were for people to start "living on a fast lane", and to get ready to kill and to die. Of course I'm no scientist and my passion into gangs is still mostly about my love for gangsta rap.

There used to be street gangs here in Finland too, that used to have big fights in central Helsinki, but this was some 30 years ago. I just read some text about them and why they don't exist no more, and the biggest reason given was that Helsinki has become more open for everyone and there remain no areas that people think they can't go to. These finnish gangs in the seventies were solely based on their home areas and different city parts would have their own gangs that would fight each other etc. So nowadays when there are all kinds of people living in most of the city, rich, poor, worker, boss etc. and no city part is considered restricted area, these local gangs don't get to form. Of course these gangs are nothing compared to gangs in the US and I have never heard of a gang related homicide here in Finland, but I think they were all about the same need to have a community and to have something to believe in, only in a smaller scale. I also believe that if the gang members in the US, or the individuals that are likely to become ones would have the feeling that they can for example move away from a hood they find dangerous and the feeling that they are welcome to move anywhere they want to and can afford, they wouldn't have to form these tight communities that have to defend themselves and be ready to attack at any time. Many rap artists that have fought their way to being rich and have got their opportunity to move away from dangerous hoods have talked about how they feel like they were trapped in their homehood and the authorities wanted to keep them there.

I find gang activity stupid and childish but at the same time very understandable. There are lots of examples of same kind of actions for same kinds of motives in the history and I guess street gangs are the American modern day guerrillas fighting for their cause as have so many guerrillas fought for so many causes as long as the human race has existed.

But now I'm going to lose my thought and I guess this is enough text for today.

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