Chicanos Tattoos on Blacks.

[mayugastank]

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The above video is of the 92 riots notice that ALL of the victims in the clips are latino. From history and rumor and even what Ive heard from people who were their this video on TV enraged LA EME and they issued a greenlight on all blacks in county jail which would run into 1994....2 solid whole years of racial riots in those prisons. It also ( 1992 riots) allowed LA EME to paint the truce of warring mexican gangs in a racial manner. They reiterated the episode above ---as a reason why chicanos needed unity in the face of differing races. Put your guns down-unite under your brown commoness. This is well documented-as the book "MEXICAN MAFIA" touches on how incensed the leaders of some sets were/and hwo discussions were issued on what to do about it.

The gang that was greenlighted by LA EME for making peace with a black gang ESR. Dozens of their members were supposedly stabbed for alliances with blacks -


You could see it in how kids were walking on campus, how they dressed. They were flashing signs, and there were fights in the hallways," she said. "You could feel it in the air."

A turning point came in 1991 with the murder of Ismael Carillo in Casa Blanca.

East Side Riva gang members, most from the Tiny Dukes, teamed up with their sometime rivals, the 1200 Blocc Crips, a black Eastside gang, to take on enemies in other neighborhoods.

On a spring night in 1991, members of both gangs piled into two stolen cars and drove off to shoot rival gang members. One carload shot and killed 15-year-old Carillo and another car shot at a man in Rubidoux on city's west side but missed, Redfearn's declaration says.

Redfearn said the drive-bys resulted in at least 32 prosecutions, 11 of them East Side Riva members. Many were sentenced to long stays in prison on murder and conspiracy convictions.

The fallout from the shooting exploded the alliance between the Tiny Dukes and the 1200 Blocc Crips.

In state prison, gang members encountered the prison-based Mexican Mafia, known as La Eme. Redfearn says the Mexican Mafia issued a "green light" on the Tiny Dukes, which encouraged other gangs to target them.

It was punishment for becoming allies with black gang members to attack Hispanics. La Eme offered one way out to the Tiny Dukes, to battle their former allies, Redfearn's declaration says.

[mayugastank]

Longos


Been very interested in these guys as they claim to be the only mexican gang who doesnt beef with mexican gangs and are involved in a RACE WAR. Couldnt tell you how many people theyve killed for racial reasons -but just with the asians it numbered some 50 homicides on both sides WHILE still battling blacks /samoans/vietnamese. Recently theyve committed a string of murders on asian/blacks. Dont know how they survive in LBC -but they do. LB press seems to do a great job of covering it up -so digging is a good way to draw info.But just from reading my posts ICG/LONGOS and FIRST INTERRACIAL GANG WAR ....makes me wonder how so many of their members could be caught up on murders. Hoping for some Gangland epsiode on it. It just seems unfathomable that their wouldnt have been one already on this. Freedom Writers touched on it but it was a sorry telling. Their isnt another gang with such racial politics like them in the USA yet no story? Its what I been saying the press covers up this shit-

[Silencioso]

Is that right I've always thought as chicanos as mostly mestizo with strong indian blood, I've always known about the intermarriages here in the US but I think of them as mostly similar to the mexicans (paisas) in Mexico.

The big wave of Mexicans that came to the US during and after the Mexican Revolution were usually lighter/whiter Mexicans from the border states like Sonora. The more recent wave is mostly from the southern Mexican states like Oaxaca and Michuacan and icludes a lot of full blooded indians.

[mayugastank]

Mayuga,

How can you consider Southern Italians/Sicilians as non-white but Spaniards as white. You always talk about Spaniards as "white Europeans" but emphasize Southern Italians as "mixed".

I would consider the whole lot the italians/greeks/spaniards/some french ....mediterranean.Or white lite. They themselves say as much and history in the states says that they werent viewed as whites up until after the 1950s. But you know race is all conjecture and BS and one day someone is not white then they are. Scientific examinations on race are also very polluted and unbiased reporting is hard to find being that anything written now would have to be written with no tainted trace evidence going back to the beginings of scientific racial politics.

[mayugastank]

Is that right I've always thought as chicanos as mostly mestizo with strong indian blood, I've always known about the intermarriages here in the US but I think of them as mostly similar to the mexicans (paisas) in Mexico.

The big wave of Mexicans that came to the US during and after the Mexican Revolution were usually lighter/whiter Mexicans from the border states like Sonora. The more recent wave is mostly from the southern Mexican states like Oaxaca and Michuacan and icludes a lot of full blooded indians.

Yes it was a shocker to me as well. I knew their were mexicans who predominately were indigenous and I knew of some chicanos like that -but it was a rarity in ELA till the mid 1990s. I didnt grow up with anyone who was born in Mexico and thats the honest to God truth. From Whittier to The SGV are real strong chicano hoods and many seem like almost a race apart from the Oaxacas and Pueblanos and Mayans whove migrated to the USA in the 90s. Its why I hit on Mexico being a place of differing races. Picture Chapo Guzman and Blondie El Barbie---both cartel leaders who are named as mexicans but a quick glance shows you a European born in Mexico. You are what your bloodlines are not where your born.

[ViciousRidah]

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The above video is of the 92 riots notice that ALL of the victims in the clips are latino. From history and rumor and even what Ive heard from people who were their this video on TV enraged LA EME and they issued a greenlight on all blacks in county jail which would run into 1994....2 solid whole years of racial riots in those prisons. It also ( 1992 riots) allowed LA EME to paint the truce of warring mexican gangs in a racial manner. They reiterated the episode above ---as a reason why chicanos needed unity in the face of differing races. Put your guns down-unite under your brown commoness. This is well documented-as the book "MEXICAN MAFIA" touches on how incensed the leaders of some sets were/and hwo discussions were issued on what to do about it.

The gang that was greenlighted by LA EME for making peace with a black gang ESR. Dozens of their members were supposedly stabbed for alliances with blacks -


You could see it in how kids were walking on campus, how they dressed. They were flashing signs, and there were fights in the hallways," she said. "You could feel it in the air."

A turning point came in 1991 with the murder of Ismael Carillo in Casa Blanca.

East Side Riva gang members, most from the Tiny Dukes, teamed up with their sometime rivals, the 1200 Blocc Crips, a black Eastside gang, to take on enemies in other neighborhoods.

On a spring night in 1991, members of both gangs piled into two stolen cars and drove off to shoot rival gang members. One carload shot and killed 15-year-old Carillo and another car shot at a man in Rubidoux on city's west side but missed, Redfearn's declaration says.

Redfearn said the drive-bys resulted in at least 32 prosecutions, 11 of them East Side Riva members. Many were sentenced to long stays in prison on murder and conspiracy convictions.

The fallout from the shooting exploded the alliance between the Tiny Dukes and the 1200 Blocc Crips.

In state prison, gang members encountered the prison-based Mexican Mafia, known as La Eme. Redfearn says the Mexican Mafia issued a "green light" on the Tiny Dukes, which encouraged other gangs to target them.

It was punishment for becoming allies with black gang members to attack Hispanics. La Eme offered one way out to the Tiny Dukes, to battle their former allies, Redfearn's declaration says.

Not trying to be funny or anything but where were the Latinos being assaulted in that video? The dude beat down in video from 1:55 to the end was'' Reginald Denny'', he was a white truck driver that got some press in the media I remember that,1:04-1:11 could not see if the victim was a Latino, he could of been white,the other attacks could of been white also.


But here is something I pulled of the web

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-06-18/ ... eles-riots

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51% of Riot Arrests Were Latino, Study Says
Unrest: RAND analysis of court cases finds they were mostly young men.
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This is why I don't think Latinos were to much of victims in the riot, there might of been Latinos that had gotten beat up during this riot, but there also some blacks that got beat up during the riots as well. From what I heard about it, white people whether in cars or not could not of come in South Central at any time when they were looting and tearing stuff up during the 92 riots.


LA Eme putting a green light on ESR for teaming up with a black gang to take out another hispanic gang doesn't add up. There are gangs like the Dieciocho who have teamed up with HCG to go to war with Sos x Los , and V13 and VSLC to go to war with SM13, I don't think they have been green lighted.

[mayugastank]

What are the most popular brands of clothing in the USA right now? Ed Hardy style designs ( stolen from japanese and chicano street art? or Stars and Straps FAMOUS? 100% copies of East LA street art? ROBERT FAMOUS CROW and TRAVIS BARKER.......tattoo designs by various chicano artists/the artwork reminiscent of anybody around ELA? These style of tattooing didnt originate in NY-the SOUTH --EAST, but yet they are the styles of clothing worn by all YOUTHS of ALL COLORS EVERYWHERE WORLDWIDE! These styles were developed by Chicanos and were worn by them generations before ANY OTHER RACE. Making this southwest exchange the BIGGEST INFLUENCER for fashion/graff/tattooing . People get so bent out of shape --that they look like vanilla ice did during his confused years---but black artists/white artists look EXACTLY the same way when it comes to the styles we popularized and styles weve worn and set trends for forever. Check out the FAMOUS STARS AND STRAPS crew who do they look like ESE? OUTRIGHT STEALING are shit. Labeling it EVERYONES and not even mentioning where it originated.

[mayugastank]

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[mayugastank]

But seriously you bitch ass chicanos deserve to get bitch slapped and your art stolen and have whites/blacks make millions on a history we laid down and died for cuz your some marks and let it happen! you let bloods and crips steal your entire getdown and them come back and say they didnt/you let every brother and rapper make hsi name and fame on our ink ----and not even mention us. Punk ass chicanos.

[mayugastank]

This is why the tattoo culture has gained momentum. US. CHICANOS. PERIOD. Blacks in this country had NO tattoo culture. No big deal? Famous Star and Straps/Sublime/Linking Park/Ed Hardy/red Hot chili peppers/Zumiez/Vans ( chino type shoes) ....and just about every popular brand of clothing today worldwide took the designs of young chicanos and made millions. They stole our art/history/culture and act like it didnt evolve amongst a certain people. Everyone copied evrything we do -blacks love to play the victims of cultural thieves but theyve been our biggest thieves and with NO MENTION of where these ideas came from. Dont get it twisted my grandfathers friends were tattooing in manners similar to what is worn on Ed Hardy back in the 60s.

[mayugastank]

[mayugastank]

Vicious --for your argument that chicano gangs didnt start to tattoo in the manner seen today. The above video shot in 1978 shows varrio Gerahty and MARAVILLA. Tatted down in most of the styles seen today. The diffrences really have to do with ink color and the capability if the machines seen now. These guys are the oldest gangs worldwide except for the Italian Mafia. The varrios Gerahty and Maravilla are as thick as ever --and this shows their styles in the 70s.
As the reporter says gangs exist in other places-white/black/asian . Only here are the gangs perpetual. Its why our tattoo designs/clothing/demeanor and lifestyle has been copied by the crips/bloods/asians/blacks/white rockers/stoners/ We constantly adapt teh style to fit the times. This style is far more then an influencer on gangs and it carried over to the entire chicano community and the rest of the USA. But here in ELA -no doubt the style has got its own flair and life. Every chicano growing up in ELA dressed semi close to these guys and tattooing even then was big. The guys are sleeved out and yes their tattoos are homemade but the quality is thick even back then. Check out the graffiti -used by every race even back then used heavily by chicanos. Gerhaty since 1930.....Maravilla since 1930....White Fence since 1920....Aves since 1930. Their is no gang anywhere on earth outside of the mafia with the history of the gangs of ELA. FAce it we produce others copy.

[mayugastank]

CHOLO GRAFFIT----STARS AND STRAPS/ED HARDY WEAR/CRIPS AND BLOODS/everyone uses everyone copies .EAST LA .

[buLLetxx2]

Idk man, it seems like you're just circumlocuting your original point now.

I mean, you're now reaching far into "well these white boys made money off Chicano style" when, in reality some of these white boys came up in the exact same areas, in the exact same times with the exact same people you're crediting the creation of the style. For instance, when you brought up the zboys, those fools came up with eses in their neighborhoods back in their time, and so it wasn't an adoption of the style, but more like an adaption from an inside-outers point of view. I say "inside-outer" because those fools were in it then, they were living in the hood, and homies with fools from the hood, they just didn't bang for the hood.

Fast forward and most, if not all these new age white boy companies ripping chicano style as you claim are, in many ways, simply an extension of those zboys since they were the first to market it way back and, being legit to some extent, no one blasted them, just like no one blasted Suicidal Tendencies for the whole v13 connection(aside from the media of course.)

And in the end, should the people you really be upset with be your own people? Get mad at the fact Chicanos, as a people and a culture (since that seems to be a running theme in your posts) allowed these out of towner white boys snatch up their style and market it to the masses for profit, masses who, outside of a certain few from a certain place and time, know nothing of the Chicano "Art Culture."

real

Though I'm still the one who thinks it ain't as big an issue because this is America and that is what goes down.

People still be bringing up Rappers in this thread, on both side, and no one thinks to mention that the same thing happened with Whites and Blacks with rap music, and still is happening. Regardless of how it was portrayed (BLACK)rappers straight were getting exploited by Whites, commercially, for the first half of rap's commercial existence. Those fools got rich and went broke all on paper while their songs were still being played in the clubs and on the radio. And now when things are skewed a bit dif, and fools know a little something, they still get took for a ride AND get a shoddy message across on wax now making everything about things you can't have.

I think if I had to choose I'd rather have my art silently stolen than be paraded on stage, forced to work for my own demise.
lol

[mayugastank]

Bullettxx..............

I am saying that our styles are the predominant styles of the world. Outside of teh music of blacks on the East nothing has the popularity of cholos and their styles and chicanos in general. WHY? in my opinion because it was original-simple-clean and never done before. The cholos of the 80s and 90s were the same cholos of the 30s. Well pressed/dressed and fashionable. The style transformed all styles because of its originality. From the using of tattoos as fashion to being well dressing with a pair of clean pressed dickies and a pair of vans( chino type shoes) and a white T. It was easy and it was for that reason it took over asians/whites/blacks/ everyone elses cultures. Teh entire new age white boy culture across the USA is almost completely cholo rip off! Their are no trends wordlwide with out East LOS influence. What your not seeing is how I see it--when I was growing up and before my time these supposed new fashions were OLD NEWS. We have always been a real proud people despite not having much and being poor youd never know by the way we are comfortable in our skin and the way we carry ourselves I just dont see that in other races too much. I mean if these other races had --the same character as us ---theyd have done their own thing. In shows in so many ways through our love of our women and even in the way we cross culturally date. Its not one sided or weird like it is with asians and blacks whom only date one way ( black man-white woman , asian woman-white husband) we do it equally and we outnumber all other races when we do. WHY? because when we interracial date -its a natural and probably loving thing but when others do it --they are propangandizing that they HATE THEIR RACE. Its all messed up. Only we on this land are actually really comfortable in our skin when we say "brown pride" we really do mean it ...and it shows in everything we do and its why everyone has copied ( poorly) everything we do!

[youngspade]

Lol @ Signing On 3 months later and you guys still aint figured hes an idiot^ Good luck!

[Silencioso]

If you compare those cholos from 78 to cholos of today, the thing that pops out the most is the hip hop influence in today's cholos. The ultra baggy clothing, gangsta rap, hip hop slang replacing cholo/chuco slang. All those new influences are BLACK, and not just black but in some cases East Coast black! The second thing that pops out is the hair! All those vatos in the 78 doc. had combed backed hair or longish hair, now cholos have bald heads or at most maybe a number 2 cut. If we're beind totally honest we all know that shaved heads come from blacks and to some degree whites (skinheads, punkers, old school cons).
Looking at those 78 cholos do you see even a hint of the ultra baggy clothed, shave headed cholo of today? Why is that? yeah, times change but the changes in cholo culture all point to outside influences.

[ViciousRidah]

If we're beind totally honest we all know that shaved heads come from blacks and to some degree whites (skinheads, punkers, old school cons).

Looking at those 78 cholos do you see even a hint of the ultra baggy clothed, shave headed cholo of today? Why is that? yeah, times change but the changes in cholo culture all point to outside influences.

I can only explain so much.I agree with what your saying but nobody can stake claim to the shave head saying the skinheads started it, it would just be ridiculous, the first skin heads were in England, and got a lot of their style from Ska party goers(proto reggae and pre dancehall) were known for their shaved head style. Trying to take credit to who started the shave head thing is just as difficult for trying to stake claim to the chicanos starting tattooing of the modern era.

Its why our tattoo designs/clothing/demeanor and lifestyle has been copied by the crips/bloods/asians/blacks/white rockers/stoners/

And vice versa.

Check out the graffiti -used by every race even back then used heavily by chicanos.

Which part because 78 is not that early in the game if we are talking about pioneering graftti,although I agree one of the places to spawn it may have been LA.

Vicious --for your argument that chicano gangs didnt start to tattoo in the manner seen today. The above video shot in 1978 shows varrio Gerahty and MARAVILLA.


FAce it we produce others copy.

I have to disagree, there is one big problem , did you dig on the chicano breezy with the Afro, she was an verterano , and had a black style .I thought she was Cuban or something!

But which part of the video are you talking about that have these modern day chicano tats, I don't see the same quality,design,and grafting of tattoos in the vid as the chicanos have now.

[mayugastank]

The graffiti is exactly as its always been .It is the style used by asians/blacks/whites to a lesser extent it is called gang lettering but it is not gang lettering used by all till after they copied the style set up by chicanos. The tattooing used throughout the video has people coming in and going up tatted en masse. In 1978. The gangs discussed primarily are the Maravillas,White Fence and Gerahty Lomas (3) gangs with history going back to the 1900s.( gerahty might have been one of the first gangs in Los Angelos outside of DOGTOWN.) Tattoos were always thought in this country to primarily reside amongst Chicano Gangsters and white convicts from California.( is it a wonder why being that the majority were tattooed by Chicanos?)

What I am getting at is that much of the stles used in these videos are EXACTLY the same placements-fonts-color as the ones done now. The stylization of course, has changed. But get this that outside of YUKUZA-VORE-CHICANO GANGS_ no other race on the earth has a history as storied in the 19th century and no other race worldwide besides a very very few have historys of tattooing, period. Much of these other nations tattooed in the most abstract patterns. Ive done quite a bit of research since starting this threaad and the art has 2 contributing factors worldwide. Japenese,Chicano. From my research --the patterns done on sailors and others who introduced it to America --were patterns of other nationalities primarily Japenese. The sailors bird is actually a mimick of a Japenese good luck sparrow and has NO -connect to European or American people. Chicano designs have literally transformed the design of fashion ( ED HARDY-STARS AND STRAPS) These 2 clothing designs are joined at the hip to chicano gangster art and chicano style tattoos. These (2) styles of clothing are THE MOST POPULAR styles of clothing at this time WORLDWIDE. A simple look at any -youth anywhere will tell you that that style of clothes is what they are wearing. I didnt even know how deep ED HARDYS and STARS AND STRAPS connections were to ELA. Most of their designs are stolen straight out of chicano prison art with minor twists on the wording.

[mayugastank]

I have to disagree, there is one big problem , did you dig on the chicano breezy with the Afro, she was an verterano , and had a black style .I thought she was Cuban or something!



Africans had a strong presence on the port citys of the states of Veracruz and to this day the people in that area have all the features of the mixed mestizo/african that they are. However, those distinctions are lost by patriotic feelings that dont distinguish race as much as national origin amongst mexicans and all other mixed mestizos. she more then likely is of this extraction, she is from a gang known as WHITE FENCE , predominatly in the boyle heights section of ELA. Heavily 3rd generation Mexican American.

[ViciousRidah]

The graffiti is exactly as its always been .It is the style used by asians/blacks/whites to a lesser extent it is called gang lettering but it is not gang lettering used by all till after they copied the style set up by chicanos. The tattooing used throughout the video has people coming in and going up tatted en masse. In 1978. The gangs discussed primarily are the Maravillas,White Fence and Gerahty Lomas (3) gangs with history going back to the 1900s.( gerahty might have been one of the first gangs in Los Angelos outside of DOGTOWN.) Tattoos were always thought in this country to primarily reside amongst Chicano Gangsters and white convicts from California.( is it a wonder why being that the majority were tattooed by Chicanos?)

What I am getting at is that much of the stles used in these videos are EXACTLY the same placements-fonts-color as the ones done now. The stylization of course, has changed. But get this that outside of YUKUZA-VORE-CHICANO GANGS_ no other race on the earth has a history as storied in the 19th century and no other race worldwide besides a very very few have historys of tattooing, period. Much of these other nations tattooed in the most abstract patterns. Ive done quite a bit of research since starting this threaad and the art has 2 contributing factors worldwide. Japenese,Chicano. From my research --the patterns done on sailors and others who introduced it to America --were patterns of other nationalities primarily Japenese. The sailors bird is actually a mimick of a Japenese good luck sparrow and has NO -connect to European or American people. Chicano designs have literally transformed the design of fashion ( ED HARDY-STARS AND STRAPS) These 2 clothing designs are joined at the hip to chicano gangster art and chicano style tattoos. These (2) styles of clothing are THE MOST POPULAR styles of clothing at this time WORLDWIDE. A simple look at any -youth anywhere will tell you that that style of clothes is what they are wearing. I didnt even know how deep ED HARDYS and STARS AND STRAPS connections were to ELA. Most of their designs are stolen straight out of chicano prison art with minor twists on the wording.

Never said Chicano Gs did not have that style of Old English Fonts on their tattoos, that has long been their trademark,But the designs,elaborate pictures ,symbols,and as well as the themes are not the same as they are today.

As for the graffiti I was already aware of gangs blasting graffiti on the walls back in the day, that is without a doubt a thing in LA and Chicago from the 70s. But there might be different types of style that became prevalent now ,as opposed to the past decades of the 1970s and 1980s.

[ViciousRidah]

[quote="mayugastank"

Africans had a strong presence on the port citys of the states of Veracruz and to this day the people in that area have all the features of the mixed mestizo/african that they are. However, those distinctions are lost by patriotic feelings that dont distinguish race as much as national origin amongst mexicans and all other mixed mestizos. she more then likely is of this extraction, she is from a gang known as WHITE FENCE , predominatly in the boyle heights section of ELA. Heavily 3rd generation Mexican American.[/quote]

What I was getting at is that a chicano has an Afro no matter what extraction of mexican lineage she has,usually any chicano gets their hair done either slicked back or a pony tail.

[mayugastank]

What I am getting at is that the tattooing style of southwest chicanos is the style of just about all clothing styles today with a little MINOR twist.

[ViciousRidah]

What I am getting at is that the tattooing style of southwest chicanos is the style of just about all clothing styles today with a little MINOR twist.

You mean the old English Lettering and some of the depictions on T-shirts then yea. Of course.

[mayugastank]

Bullettxx--
"I think if I had to choose I'd rather have my art silently stolen than be paraded on stage, forced to work for my own demise.
lol"


EVERYONE here has made good points on how chicanos are to blame for either tattooing other races in the manner of chicanos and or designing the shirts that are used by FAMOUS STARS AND STRAPS and ED HARDY.

I get that -but its lost in the real themes I am portraying here. Bullet ,outside of the chicano and japenese their arent any original inkwork being done. Most -EVEN -the sailor themed tattoos are outright copies of Japenese gangster tattoos. Everything else is a rip off of chicano. Either the fine line tattoo---(meaning the use of a single needle and collaged,smoked designs or even the fonts) Our 2 cultures (jap/chicano) are the biggest infuencers of inkwork. Consider that although Japenese were discriminated by their own people for having them, chicanos were discriminated by whites for using them for many many decades. Now the same whites who would randomly stop a chicano and make him undress are getting the same colors./styles/figures. Everytime someone puts on Vans and or Famous or Ed Hardy -they dont even realize the deep connections to East Los Angelos and chicanos across the southwest. They even use these designs heavily throughout Europe and Italy and South America and even the japenese have incorporated it into their cultures inkwork. I admire the Japanese for their styles and they seem respectful when they do chicano inkwork-I mean they usually shot out to ELA. But who are these Italians/Irish/suburban white kids who are doing it? New York city has copied so much of the ink that they have lislabeled alot of it as belonging to everyone when that is not the case at all!
It is not an exaggeration when I tie the vast majority of street styles to my peoples artwork. It is like you say bound to happen-but when someone gets the Japenese Lotus flower and or geisha ---theirs no denying the beauty that culture has made and theirs no denying who made it. What gets me is the amount of our work thats been jacked and repackaged as if their is no history to it! I took a look at the tattoos cholos would get in the 40s and its way different then today-yet much of the figures they would get are still done now. Even the placements are the same. I dont deny the Japenese influence and I readily admit that some of what I saw tattooed on cholos in the 60s was 100% japenese ( dragons/lotus/mermaids/serpents etc) but theirs no denying the japenese influence is probably the #1, most popular ideals for ink. I have made an argument that head to head chicano designs might be more popular but its anyones guess! I am definetly not hating but I do see some appropraiting by people who have NO CLUE about Southwestern Mexican American tattoo culture that is tied to Mexican American culture as a whole! Literally their are hundreds and hundreds of designs amongst our people ( jap/chicano) and their are hundreds and hundreds of designs BECAUSE we have been practicing it modernly longer then anyone. You mentioned Tahiti as the birthplace-but those tribal designs have nothing outside of the abstract, and the japenese have definetly not influenced YOUTHS OF COLOR ( asians-pinoys-samoans-blacks) like chicano art, has. It took almost 120 years of street life for that complete package to evolve. The Japanese longer. Chicano/Japenese/Tribal........EVERYTHING ELSE came from these styles and these styles have borrowed from eachother as well. All have deep meanings to the people getting them. The Mauris were literally wiped out for their ink. A prized possession was the shrunken head of a Maori warrior. Would I be so careless to get the tribal designs of the islanders without exploring the brutal history that came with it? Thousands of chicano prisoners -ground down by this racist system are to thank for ED-FAMOUS-CHRISTIAN AUDIGIER- and whoever else these young punks are wearing today.

[Tre]

WHAT A FREAKING JOKE! who gives a dam about the above africans ? didnt you guys read the thread? modern style tattoing-the patterns -designs-writing-ghost fading-the pictures of the HELLS ANGELS are completely chicano themed tattoos from the HELLS ANGELS across the back to the writing style. Now TRE is mentioning Africans being pierced and having /?on their skin what a crock of twisted responses are these? Aztecs-Japs-ancient Incas ,Mauris, all had similiar design and squirrly lines. How did the conversation get spun around? I am talking on MODERN tattoing ,the designs -lettering -pieces-placement-and ghost faded-black and white -caligraphy across the neck -old E on the head --everything in its entirety that is being done TODAY!!! not a freaking 100 years ago or in the ancient egyptian times -AZTECS were getting tatted for a thousand years ...but I aint saying they invented tattoing you dumb spear chucking Africans....
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...But hey some fool like ---MAINO comes along and just gets all our shit on him without ever even knowing what the fu-- he getting>? I made it clear that ALL blacks are ding this I posted dozens of pics ---dozens of rappers--basketball stars--football players artists.....they didnt even change anything about our patterns loco ---and that really sets a flame. I mean you just steal our shit and then make me debate if we even came up with it? Give me rap---gumbo---jazz----motown---I want all that shit. Its a fair trade.....I mean why we dont debate them on whether they started any of that is beyond me>>???? MY AZTEC ANCESTORS started basketball.......stop dribbling....stop eating chocolate.....
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WOW… LOL!

Either you don’t know, don’t show, or don’t care for the man credited for bringing your ancestors chocolate.

In case you missed him, 'EK-chuah' the merchant and deity of chocolate is the black dude to the far right... in your own words the one you call the dumb Spear Chucking African. The same African that your ancestors are kneeling and bowing before. You really make this too easy Mayuga... if you're going to claim shit you really need to study its history.

In Mayan lore they credit a black man named, ‘Ek-chuah’ as their merchant and deity of ka’kau’ – (chocolate). The black god whose name sounds like a sneeze EK-CHUAH , was often depicted on incense vessels, and according to historians was once a living man, worshipped after his decease.
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[mayugastank]

TRE ...........


again with the ancient history lesson? we dont know who broght chocolate to Mexico

[deftonero]

TRE ...........


again with the ancient history lesson? we dont know who broght chocolate to Mexico

hahaha...

[~J~]

Like I said before Tre are you going to make assumptions and try to pass this off as gospel or actually present citation/s to back these claims up? I doubt you can find a reliable source that cites the Pre-Colombian and African connection you're so insisted on, but by all means be my guest...

[Tre]

Like I said before Tre are you going to make assumptions and try to pass this off as gospel or actually present citation/s to back these claims up? I doubt you can find a reliable source that cites the Pre-Colombian and African connection you're so insisted on, but by all means be my guest...

I see you still chose to be ignorant ~J~

Black populations [outside of the post-Columbian slave complex] have always existed in small numbers and as isolated tribes in the midst of very different nations, according to Professor Alphonse de Quatrefages of The Museum of Natural History. The Charruas of Brazil, the black Caribees of Saint Vincent in the Gulf of Mexico, the Jamassi of Florida.

What about the Pre-Columbian Black nation in California called the ‘Black Californians' that the U.S. fought with back in the 1800’s that ended up on slave plantations in the U.S., while others were sent to Mexico??

[mayugastank]

Essentially we got sidetracked. My argument was that tattooing has become EXTREMELY popular-and that its MERELY because of chicanos. Our styles are everywhere from Tshirts to hat designs.....everything everyone thinks belongs to everybody really started amongst chicanos. Ed Hardy/Famous/Tap out/everything is a twist on that East Los flavor.....why? because we just always competed against eachother and never paid a mind to ANY other race. I am not lying when I say that I cannnot go 1 hour without seeing a pattern or tattoo design or something that wasnt up until a few years ago completely gang related and chicano. I call blacks on the carpet for biting so much of what we do without paying tribute to where they got those patterns! As much as the patterns of the YUKUZA and VORE and TRIBAL which belonged to the Maori people are all extremely nationalistic portraits of self expression of a nation is as much as OUR patterns were to us....Is it wrong for me to acknowledge the roots of these people who started these things in a foreign land under occupation by a corrupt racist caste system? Do blacks get to popularize and steal everything we dropped down for and not even so much as shoot a nod our way? does WAYNE/TYGA/GAME/TUPAC/SOLDIERBOY/JR.SMITH/ just get to just jack our demeanor?

[whiskeyjack]

i was going to get the Words "Divide and Conquer" tatooed on my arms because im white and all. And tricking minorities into fighting each other is something i do well... But i dont want to copy anyone, heaven forbid i copy a culture that isnt european based.. so i decided against it