First of all, back in the 80's it wasn't united Nortenos, there was still neighborhood beefs. The only reasons surenos got to grow was mainly due to 2 factors.KollmarVago408 wrote:if back in the mid to late 80's even early to late 90's when there were only a handful of surenos posted in san jose , n when they were heavyly outnumbered by nortenos .. all im saying is if they couldnt stop surenos from expanding and growin in numbers back then , what makes u think they will now that there 10 plus active sur gangs in san jose . ssp as well as vlt and vst have homies pushin their late 40's to their 50's and got homies doin time in prisons settin up connects for the homies in the outs . i aint pushing my side or downing the other side but the facts are there , surenos will make it in the long run . maybe even outnumber nortenos , who knows ??
1.) I was hard to find Surenos in public
2.) Most Nortenos gangs were still going at it with each other. I can you had Horseshoe vs. EHP, and other clicks in San Jo with beef. Cities against Cities.
Hell, I grew up Sunnyvale and we used to beef with Alviso, Santa Clara and Mountain View.
With all that in fighting nobody paid attention to the Paisa's on the streets that would eventually become street surenos. At first, they seem like Paisa Wannabe gangsters and people laughed at them. Unless you did pinta time, thats the only time you saw any true Surenos.
To say "A Handful of Surenos posted in San Jose" would not be accurate, since they were pretty hard to find in public, perhaps except for Poco Way in the 80's but even then, it was more known for Samoans than Surenos. The first "Northern"sureno I ever seen was in Juvi in 1987 before that I'd never seen on on the streets before.
Back then we thought all surenos spoke broken english but I visited my sister who lived in Hollywood and saw true Surenos for the first time, and they look like us! The spoke english, wore the same shit and listened to the same music, not loud ass tuba banda music. Things have definitely evolved and as long as there low income housing, there will be Surenos in San Jose.