Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

[mayugastank]

NAME ONE BLACK GANG OLDER THEN WHITE FENCE...

The reason there are no black gangs in L.A. as old as WF is because after the Watts Rebellion/Riots gang banging died out in the black community in favor of more productive black empowerment groups like the Black Panthers and US Organization. If that hadn't happened there'd probably still be Slausons, Rebel Rousers and Gladiators out there instead of Crips, Pirus and Brims. They'd be in there fifth or sixth generation by now.

The oldest black gang in the US is probably the Mickey Cobras of Chicago. They have their roots in the Egyptian Cobras gang witch started at the latest in the early 50's and possibly as early as the WWII era.

I was Joking, But, FIRST there was Stones before anything and they go back in the 30's (They Basically was the BP;s of the Chicago Community)! When hoover, and all WHO BRANCHED off (Black Gangs) and started there own gangs in the 40's-50's....Thats when GD's came around and after the 60's and 70s they ALL had offshots!! BGD GD BD SD......by the 90's gangs like Imperial Gangsters, two-6s, and so on! Yeah THE STONES were WAY before the Cobras, they didnt come around until after everyone broke OFF one nation and started the creation of FOLK NATION. Trust me, I know some REAL CHI-Town LIT. They were doin RIOTS back when Mexicans were still drinking beer and having LONG INDIAN hair!.....Stop playing with yourself, In New York samething, Chicago, experienced, THE FIRST BLACK MIGRATION FROM THE SOUTH with MAJORITY moving EAST FIRST!.....Thats why Harlem, THE CITY, is the FIRST Black Capital Of United States. Officially, thats why Apollo no matter HOW #%@&#%@ old and boring, its NOT, I repeat NOT, going ANYWHERE! They were banging in New York, aswell....back in THE GOLDEN DAYS too!

I also, AGREE 100% with your BLACK PANTHER Statement, Oakland has gangs that DATE WAYBACK aswell! They even got tthe Party HQ still THERE! People think they're GANGS in OAKLAND, no there ALL Small ORGANIZED *SomeWhat Connected* black GANGS who THRIVE off MONEY and Structre like the ITALIANS DID!


IF IT WASNT FOR US THERE WOULD BE NO SUCH THING AS THE WORD "GANG", it was USED back when they were LYNCHING! Known FACT. But, YES, I agree, LA is more BASED around Chicano Gangsterism! I Agree! But always REMEMBER WHO MADE THE WAY FOR EVERYONE! KIDS.

ALWAYS REMEBER WHO MADE THE WAY FOR EVERYONE??? now who is that? could it be the crips and bloods who came some 40 years after fairly new CHICANO gangs? and even though we sported the colors RED and BLUE some 25 years or so before them ---it was just a coincedence that they also picked up those colors<<<rolls eyes >>>>yea, or how about EVERY GANGSTER rapper on the SOURCE getting tatted up by the fools from 18 street? did you see the issue where LIL WAYNE was getting worked on by the HOMEY CISCO from 18street? so were is your peoples artists? cuz I bet aint a mexican around been worked on by a brother.I dont get you ---

[youngspade]

NAME ONE BLACK GANG OLDER THEN WHITE FENCE...

The reason there are no black gangs in L.A. as old as WF is because after the Watts Rebellion/Riots gang banging died out in the black community in favor of more productive black empowerment groups like the Black Panthers and US Organization. If that hadn't happened there'd probably still be Slausons, Rebel Rousers and Gladiators out there instead of Crips, Pirus and Brims. They'd be in there fifth or sixth generation by now.

The oldest black gang in the US is probably the Mickey Cobras of Chicago. They have their roots in the Egyptian Cobras gang witch started at the latest in the early 50's and possibly as early as the WWII era.

I was Joking, But, FIRST there was Stones before anything and they go back in the 30's (They Basically was the BP;s of the Chicago Community)! When hoover, and all WHO BRANCHED off (Black Gangs) and started there own gangs in the 40's-50's....Thats when GD's came around and after the 60's and 70s they ALL had offshots!! BGD GD BD SD......by the 90's gangs like Imperial Gangsters, two-6s, and so on! Yeah THE STONES were WAY before the Cobras, they didnt come around until after everyone broke OFF one nation and started the creation of FOLK NATION. Trust me, I know some REAL CHI-Town LIT. They were doin RIOTS back when Mexicans were still drinking beer and having LONG INDIAN hair!.....Stop playing with yourself, In New York samething, Chicago, experienced, THE FIRST BLACK MIGRATION FROM THE SOUTH with MAJORITY moving EAST FIRST!.....Thats why Harlem, THE CITY, is the FIRST Black Capital Of United States. Officially, thats why Apollo no matter HOW #%@&#%@ old and boring, its NOT, I repeat NOT, going ANYWHERE! They were banging in New York, aswell....back in THE GOLDEN DAYS too!


I also, AGREE 100% with your BLACK PANTHER Statement, Oakland has gangs that DATE WAYBACK aswell! They even got tthe Party HQ still THERE! People think they're GANGS in OAKLAND, no there ALL Small ORGANIZED *SomeWhat Connected* black GANGS who THRIVE off MONEY and Structre like the ITALIANS DID!


IF IT WASNT FOR US THERE WOULD BE NO SUCH THING AS THE WORD "GANG", it was USED back when they were LYNCHING! Known FACT. But, YES, I agree, LA is more BASED around Chicano Gangsterism! I Agree! But always REMEMBER WHO MADE THE WAY FOR EVERYONE! KIDS.

ALWAYS REMEBER WHO MADE THE WAY FOR EVERYONE??? now who is that? could it be the crips and bloods who came some 40 years after fairly new CHICANO gangs? and even though we sported the colors RED and BLUE some 25 years or so before them ---it was just a coincedence that they also picked up those colors<<<rolls eyes >>>>yea, or how about EVERY GANGSTER rapper on the SOURCE getting tatted up by the fools from 18 street? did you see the issue where LIL WAYNE was getting worked on by the HOMEY CISCO from 18street? so were is your peoples artists? because I bet aint a mexican around been worked on by a brother.I dont get you ---

Fuck bloods and crips, BUT BLACKS nigga! all that shit dont mean nothing!

[perongregory]

mayuga stop twisting shit around with black history, you know very well black gangs were here before the 50's we already named some pgs back, like was said, chicanos have the oldest modern hoods in LA, and that's it. Black gangs have came and died out, and came again in LA. The oldest black modern hoods are in Chicago.

[perongregory]

and you need to get out of LA man, wanna talk abotu blacks hijacking, then give us all of our hip hop culture jazz and zoot suit pachuco shit, "yall stole" and put your twist on. Fuck FUBU, no one wears that shit, and we don't give a fuck about no braids or mexicans rapping only you care. The black is the first hipster as said by the famous beatnik norman mailer, and always will be. We don't stay with one style we innovate and come anew and leave shit for the rest of America to eat up. And fuck NY blacks on Italians dicks, we don't give a fuck about that on the west coast.

[youngspade]

^^^ Some people never been outta LA lol thats why they have this way of thinking! But me?

Lousiana - All Over
Chicago - All SouthSide
Memphis - Just Billst and Small Outskirts of Billst. I met a GD there!
Texas - Houston, Dallas even El Paso lol ive experienced!
California - Not just LA but all over CALI!

Just to name a few, I got in a fight so im not in the mood really!

[mayugastank]

and you need to get out of LA man, wanna talk abotu blacks hijacking, then give us all of our hip hop culture jazz and zoot suit pachuco shit, "yall stole" and put your twist on. fu-- FUBU, no one wears that shit, and we don't give a fu-- about no braids or mexicans rapping only you care. The black is the first hipster as said by the famous beatnik norman mailer, and always will be. We don't stay with one style we innovate and come anew and leave shit for the rest of America to eat up. And fu-- NY blacks on Italians dicks, we don't give a fu-- about that on the west coast.

Look, ese, all that talk about blacks starting this and that, man is a bunch of BS, and yea you are hijacking my culture when you try to repackage and put a twist on my peoples getdown its a freaking joke. You wanna claim blacks started pachuco culture but as far as I know it was started in SAN ANTONIO by MEXICANS! forget what your talking about --and I quote " zootsuit culture , defined by the baggy suitpants and padded suit tops were an instant hit in minority cultures of the time,they were standard attire for black and mexican american teenagers during the mid 1940s-1950." Pertman and Wyatts , AMerican History
Um lets see 1940-1950, yea some 30 years after the first LA chicano gangs. 30 freaking years!!!! Gangs like the 38th street were long established and into their 3rd generation.



Alski, is considered to be one of the earliest Los Angeles graffiti writers during a time when tagging was a foreign word. He was born in the Bronx, New York from Puerto Rican parents and moved to Los Angeles in early 1980s . His first tags went up in Los Angeles in 1983 when there were very few taggers. He was consider the most prolific writer in Los Angeles history until a writer named Chaka hit the scene in the late 1980s. Other writers known during the early 1980s included, Davism (later became Miner), Jazz, Geo, Skept, Soon and Legit.

Heres something I picked up on alski1.......guess what crew he was from ? KOS, knocking out suckers.....a mexican crew !! MEXICAN! The first writers in LA were PRs , and although some go with blacks --their are plenty in NYC who dont speak a lick of english. I had homies who wouldve killed you for calling them black who were PRs.

[mayugastank]

mayuga stop twisting shit around with black history, you know very well black gangs were here before the 50's we already named some pgs back, like was said, chicanos have the oldest modern hoods in LA, and that's it. Black gangs have came and died out, and came again in LA. The oldest black modern hoods are in Chicago.

OLDEST MODERN HOODS IN LA.....................Dont get it twisted we got the oldest modern hoods in AMERICA.

[perongregory]

Who gives a fuck what your homies would'v done, unless you give credit for. Whole bunch of mexicans jacking staling black originated hip hop grafitti culture and utting their twist on it, you are one bias mufucka, and have no merit. You wanna claim black this black that but when multiple people show you mexican this mexican that you got a gnag of excuses, some in ELA BS, and some random shit that has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

[mayugastank]

^^^ Some people never been outta LA lol thats why they have this way of thinking! But me?

Lousiana - All Over
Chicago - All SouthSide
Memphis - Just Billst and Small Outskirts of Billst. I met a GD there!
Texas - Houston, Dallas even El Paso lol ive experienced!
California - Not just LA but all over CALI!

Just to name a few, I got in a fight so im not in the mood really!

Heres where I have been and heres what I have seen.

Seattle, Washington. Buncha blacks claiming LA gangs like the HOOVERS, getting tatted like Mexicans

Phoenix, Arizona
Chicanos out there claiming LA gangs they never been to

Portland , Orgeon
Blacks and Mexicans alike claiming LA gangs they have never set foot in

KC, Missouri
Blacks claiming crips , Mexicans claiming SuR

Texas all over

Crips and Bloods
NO established Mexican gangs
The style of Tattoing invented by mexicans ---worn by ALL RACES.


LA is the HUB of underground activity from the WEST to the MIdwest. ANYWERE their is mexicans they are claiming gangs that had their start in LA , same for blacks. Now that style originated in ELA, BY MEXICANS. and although blacks may have differences with us the amount of attire and style , hijacked by blacks is enough to make a vato irritated to hear thats its a black thang!

[mayugastank]

Who gives a fu-- what your homies would'v done, unless you give credit for. Whole bunch of mexicans jacking staling black originated hip hop grafitti culture and utting their twist on it, you are one bias mufucka, and have no merit. You wanna claim black this black that but when multiple people show you mexican this mexican that you got a gnag of excuses, some in ELA BS, and some random shit that has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

See thats the thing you actually believe blacks started all that ---graffiti and shit and I know enough to know that in genreal your people have no artistic merit --their might be the occasional black artist but on the same evel and in general as mexicans? NO WAY, cuz for every mexican that can tattoo and draw and slang graff, we outnumber every race by like 10 to 1! its kinda like how you guys dominate the sporting arena, to where NEWSWEEK has havd scientific proof that blacks in general are better athletes by a force of nature. MEaning in its simplist form that blacks are born with a natural ability to be more physical fit and better athletes, not through practice but by a natural disposition they are born with.

In this day and age people go on and on about how we are all created equal , yet in the same breathe, scientists prove and prove again that cancer , obesity, intelligence, leukemia, acne, hair loss, pigmentation and body fat mass, are ALL inherited at birth. Yet somehow being politically correct has taken over the debate on racism and we try to pretend that differences in race ARENT a factor for performing better in school, being better athletes, being taller,stronger fatter or shorter or anything that might prove one race better at something then another race cuz that would be(((oH MY GOD))) RACISM. We go on about brittle bone syndrome being a white/caucasian disease, high blood pressure being a black disease along with sickle cell anemia, high cholestrol being predominate in a large share of hispanics ......YET for all the diseases we assign to peole by race we cant assign anything like intelligence or strength or propensity for violence. Cuz it would be racist.

[youngspade]

^^^ Some people never been outta LA lol thats why they have this way of thinking! But me?

Lousiana - All Over
Chicago - All SouthSide
Memphis - Just Billst and Small Outskirts of Billst. I met a GD there!
Texas - Houston, Dallas even El Paso lol ive experienced!
California - Not just LA but all over CALI!

Just to name a few, I got in a fight so im not in the mood really!

Heres where I have been and heres what I have seen.

Seattle, Washington. Buncha blacks claiming LA gangs like the HOOVERS, getting tatted like Mexicans

Phoenix, Arizona
Chicanos out there claiming LA gangs they never been to

Portland , Orgeon
Blacks and Mexicans alike claiming LA gangs they have never set foot in

KC, Missouri
Blacks claiming crips , Mexicans claiming SuR

Texas all over

Crips and Bloods
NO established Mexican gangs
The style of Tattoing invented by mexicans ---worn by ALL RACES.


LA is the HUB of underground activity from the WEST to the MIdwest. ANYWERE their is mexicans they are claiming gangs that had their start in LA , same for blacks. Now that style originated in ELA, BY MEXICANS. and although blacks may have differences with us the amount of attire and style , hijacked by blacks is enough to make a vato irritated to hear thats its a black thang!

I also, see from you other post, YOUR NOT LISTENING/READING before you talk! I personally dont give a fuck about who made it IN LA


BUT US AS BLACK FOLKS made the way for Cesar and You guys to even HAVE RIGHTS! You guys were just helping with Americas Farmlands when BLACKS was invovlved in SHIT!

Blacks Founded the way to BE ANYKIND of GANGSTER, Black, White, Or Fucking Mexicans! Without us, you guys are still stuck in Mexico farming with a SHOOTFirst type of Border keepin yall out! Fuck whatchu talking about nigga, BLACKS made the WAY for OTHERS to even own HOMES, before us, YALL COULDNTOWNSHIT!

[youngspade]

mayuga stop twisting shit around with black history, you know very well black gangs were here before the 50's we already named some pgs back, like was said, chicanos have the oldest modern hoods in LA, and that's it. Black gangs have came and died out, and came again in LA. The oldest black modern hoods are in Chicago.

OLDEST MODERN HOODS IN LA.....................Dont get it twisted we got the oldest modern hoods in AMERICA.

Ok when you get off your Mexican HIGHass and relize were not talking about LA and no way IN HELL YALL got the oldest gangs. All those hoods you mentioned are either getting whackd or already DEAD....So 30 yrs was really like 10-20yrs of existence, P Stones, was the FIRST Black gang in America so your going off the wrong shit!

[mayugastank]

Who gives a fu-- what your homies would'v done, unless you give credit for. Whole bunch of mexicans jacking staling black originated hip hop grafitti culture and utting their twist on it, you are one bias mufucka, and have no merit. You wanna claim black this black that but when multiple people show you mexican this mexican that you got a gnag of excuses, some in ELA BS, and some random shit that has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

And not to sound repetive but it doesnt sound like either of us is EVERY going to give an inch on this subject. I feel I made an excellent case for why chicanos culture is in the bloodline of underground culture in the USA. My point on us being the originators of LA gang culture was met a dozen posts ago. And admitted to by such. We are kinda going in circles but we have topped 400 posts in this forum so for whatever its worth going back on some of the thereoms on culture is very interesting . THE REAL , is an extremely intelligent and great debater --although he really got under my skin his form of writing and ability to form cohessive arguments while at the same time posting links and prior statements , was outstanding , and in all likelyhood a college learned writing trait because its professionalism was beyond a simple street gang forum. I dont know if he is a writer by profession but he should be. So no hard feelings on my part and I liked hearing the personal experiences posted by several members.

[mayugastank]

mayuga stop twisting shit around with black history, you know very well black gangs were here before the 50's we already named some pgs back, like was said, chicanos have the oldest modern hoods in LA, and that's it. Black gangs have came and died out, and came again in LA. The oldest black modern hoods are in Chicago.

OLDEST MODERN HOODS IN LA.....................Dont get it twisted we got the oldest modern hoods in AMERICA.

Ok when you get off your Mexican HIGHass and relize were not talking about LA and no way IN HELL YALL got the oldest gangs. All those hoods you mentioned are either getting whackd or already DEAD....So 30 yrs was really like 10-20yrs of existence, P Stones, was the FIRST Black gang in America so your going off the wrong shit!

I dare you to name one gang older then the ones I listed of ANY RACE ANYWERE in the USA. Not no defunked , non existant gang. If you go to ELA tonight youll find all those gangs on the same streets in FORCE. So claiming they are dead is false.

[perongregory]

You make some great points, I just feel some of the credit you claim and some of the things you say about blacks are uninformed, but hey we're two proud Angelenos.

On the real though, you have to look into midwest/eastcoast black culture, I think you're kinda lackin on that, but they're highly influential and have influenced even LA.

[pistolslanga]

....might just be me...

but why is it that its always a mexican who starts a racial conflict/debate....?....

[youngspade]

Go to Chicago and You will still SEE P. Stones. They even GOT 20-30 other gangs forming gangs under the People Nation, but take the "Stones" at the end of there name. Plus, most of the Oldest ELA gangs are Maravilla thats a true known fact and with you guys killing your own a nice CHUNK of history will be GONE! But Stpmes was around WAY before, the google your searching! They talk about the NEW P Stone Nation, the OLD, is forgotten and mixed with BS. The Old P. Stone nation. HAD everyone what you see except Latin Kings. All the Kings and Chiefs you have today was IN and UNDER ONE NATION. Larry Hoover was one of them......so please shutup~! and even THEN HE WASNT Nothing until they all went to make King Cobras, Vice Lordz, GDs etc! All came from Black P Stones!


And the end of this quote will be,

take a RIDE in Englewood in Chicago, I didnt even name half the places ive been just to let you know......ive been to KANSAS City/St. Louis and MOST of them niggaz snakes and BITCHS!

[mayugastank]

....might just be me...

but why is it that its always a mexican who starts a racial conflict/debate....?....

I think in general Peron, you might be right -but essentially my argument is alot less racial then it is protective, we get absolutely no credit for all the cultural nuiances that form the USA street. Things that are at the core of our culture are outright taken, the tattoo thing REALLY gets to me. Iam sure when you heard Chino Grande take a chunk out of black history by claiming rap as his it bothered you. My argument is essentially the same - the tattoing culture in this country is almost entirely latino, dont quote me on who started it first( Islanders-MAUROYS), but the style and design of just about ALL except for some tribal are all the way EAST LA. When I see white chicks in Denver sporting roses on their wrists or stars on their ankles, or white boys sporting tattoo chains, and old E, and blacks getting the teardrops and on and on and on, its at the core of my peoples culture. Its our artistry, our culture their ripping off and mass producing. NO ONE ever had and did what we do, when it came to that part of us , up until after the mid 90s and now its everywere!....it isnt just like RAP ,peron, where white boys grow out of it , or you just flip the channel to some alternative. These are permannent markings, warrior designs -and BOLD in your face shout out to contemporary white culture and mainstream AMERICA that chicanos used to show WE DONT GIVE A FUCK.......taking that is taking our very soul. And we got bitches like KAT VON DUTCH and all these white boys slanging my peoples essence for 60 bucks an hour , hell yea it pisses me off.

[perongregory]

....might just be me...

but why is it that its always a mexican who starts a racial conflict/debate....?....

I think in general Peron, you might be right -but essentially my argument is alot less racial then it is protective, we get absolutely no credit for all the cultural nuiances that form the USA street. Things that are at the core of our culture are outright taken, the tattoo thing REALLY gets to me. Iam sure when you heard Chino Grande take a chunk out of black history by claiming rap as his it bothered you. My argument is essentially the same - the tattoing culture in this country is almost entirely latino, dont quote me on who started it first( Islanders-MAUROYS), but the style and design of just about ALL except for some tribal are all the way EAST LA. When I see white chicks in Denver sporting roses on their wrists or stars on their ankles, or white boys sporting tattoo chains, and old E, and blacks getting the teardrops and on and on and on, its at the core of my peoples culture. Its our artistry, our culture their ripping off and mass producing. NO ONE ever had and did what we do, when it came to that part of us , up until after the mid 90s and now its everywere!....it isnt just like RAP ,peron, where white boys grow out of it , or you just flip the channel to some alternative. These are permannent markings, warrior designs -and BOLD in your face shout out to contemporary white culture and mainstream AMERICA that chicanos used to show WE DONT GIVE A fu--.......taking that is taking our very soul. And we got women like KAT VON DUTCH and all these white boys slanging my peoples essence for 60 bucks an hour , hell yea it pisses me off.

Perongregory did not write that, that was pistolslanga...that's the second time you confused me for pistolslanga

[mayugastank]

....might just be me...

but why is it that its always a mexican who starts a racial conflict/debate....?....

I think in general Peron, you might be right -but essentially my argument is alot less racial then it is protective, we get absolutely no credit for all the cultural nuiances that form the USA street. Things that are at the core of our culture are outright taken, the tattoo thing REALLY gets to me. Iam sure when you heard Chino Grande take a chunk out of black history by claiming rap as his it bothered you. My argument is essentially the same - the tattoing culture in this country is almost entirely latino, dont quote me on who started it first( Islanders-MAUROYS), but the style and design of just about ALL except for some tribal are all the way EAST LA. When I see white chicks in Denver sporting roses on their wrists or stars on their ankles, or white boys sporting tattoo chains, and old E, and blacks getting the teardrops and on and on and on, its at the core of my peoples culture. Its our artistry, our culture their ripping off and mass producing. NO ONE ever had and did what we do, when it came to that part of us , up until after the mid 90s and now its everywere!....it isnt just like RAP ,peron, where white boys grow out of it , or you just flip the channel to some alternative. These are permannent markings, warrior designs -and BOLD in your face shout out to contemporary white culture and mainstream AMERICA that chicanos used to show WE DONT GIVE A fu--.......taking that is taking our very soul. And we got women like KAT VON DUTCH and all these white boys slanging my peoples essence for 60 bucks an hour , hell yea it pisses me off.

Another thing I have given much props to blacks on their retaining some symbolence of cultural after 400 years of bondage. Creating in the mix something distinctively AFRICAN yet AMERICAN. I dont know ANY other group who has done such a thing in the world --most people when faced with such a conflict would either fold or assimilate. As history has shown most minority groups to do in the face of overwhelming odds. Its a testament to a strong culture that can withstand half a millenia of attack. My people were not able to do as such --look at the AZTEC culture. Completely top to bottom gone. Their might be some hint of indigenous but really it is so suppressed. I dont think blacks even consciously held on to their culture it kinda just followed them. As for Mexicans --man we are living some sort of pipe dream, not really even identifying with who we REALLY ARE. Cuz if you want to get down to it we should be shooting things with darts, and hunting fools for sacrifices. BUt whatever, we have made the best of what we have --and dude above said that essentially he believes we are foreigners but me and mine and many many many chicanos in ELA, dont even have a relative in Mexico.

[youngspade]

I respect you more, now,

SALUTE to real!

[Silencioso]

Heres something I picked up on alski1.......guess what crew he was from ? KOS, knocking out suckers.....a mexican crew !! MEXICAN! The first writers in LA were PRs , and although some go with blacks --their are plenty in NYC who dont speak a lick of english. I had homies who wouldve killed you for calling them black who were PRs.


The first taggers in L.A. weren't PR! You're talking completely out of your ass now. I was there, fool! The first writers in L.A. were black hip hoppers and white alternative culture types. Then local kids starting picking up on it. Then the scene got huge.

If you can't get the history of something that happened 25 years ago right, why should anybody believe what you say about the god damn 1910's or 1940's.

[Silencioso]

OH wow! the first black gangs go back to the 50s in chicago!! oh wow! lets see the NEWEST GANG in ELA is older then the oldest black gang in AMERICA.

The newest major gang in East Los is probably that lame KAMS gang, who started up in the 90's I guess. East LA has many newer and short lived gangs like Stoners 13, Indiana Dukes, Tiny Boys and The Lott. It's not all ancient gang like El Hoyo MV and White Fence over there.

[Silencioso]

Take a look at the ARYAN BROTHERHOOD, pictures. NOW does that look like your average buncha white guys?

Of course they don't! They're a f***en prison gang! How do you expect them to look? Like a bunch of emo kids?
The truth about the AB is that they're really more bikers and rednecks/cowboys than anything. They're not KKK or neo-nazi types for the most part. Nor are they white cholos.

[tysuave]

This has to be by far one of the dumbest topics ever on this site.

[youngspade]

Take a look at the ARYAN BROTHERHOOD, pictures. NOW does that look like your average buncha white guys?

Of course they don't! They're a f***en prison gang! How do you expect them to look? Like a bunch of emo kids?
The truth about the AB is that they're really more bikers and rednecks/cowboys than anything. They're not KKK or neo-nazi types for the most part. Nor are they white cholos.

NOW THE WHITES look more MEXICAN than ANYBODY

[xxx]

im to young,ive been seeing taggers and crews since i was 5,ive seen hundreds and hundreds of taggers and never once a black one

Blacks were doing Hip Hop Grafitti in L.A in the Early to Mid 1980's.

There were Black Crews and Writers all over the Place....

Get that History of Los Angeles Grafitti Book

1980's----------

LTS~ Mid City (Mark 7)
RTA ~ West Adams
DEF ~ Imperial/Western Area (Clever)
KIL ~ Farifax ARea
DCK ~ Fairfax Area
UCA ~ Baldwin Hills Area
SCA ~ Inglewood Area
COA ~ Crenshaw Area
TSK ~ Crenshaw Area
NBT ~ Crenshaw Area
RTD ~ St Bernard High SChool Students

WCA ~ had niggas too

KWS ~ Western & Florence Area
- was started by niggas

NTS ~ South Central/Hunington Park Areas
-was started by Flex a Black dude aka Slowpoke from 5 Tray Avalon Gangsta Crips

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In the Early-Mid 1980's, Blacks were into Breaking,Poppin, Rappin, Grafitti...

Niggas in L.A were on the New York tip for a minute, even Crips & Bloods were Breakin & Poppin..

We all know Hip Hop Grafitti came by way of New York to L.A by Blacks, i dont think there were any Mexicans in New York back then, and Puerto Ricans in L.A was slim to none...

Blacks backed away from Grafitti in the Late 1980's / early 1990's

[xxx]

You cant dispute that Mexicans were the first Gang Bangers in Los Angeles.

Mexicans were doing back in the 1920's, What exactly they were doing in the 1920's is any ones guess, but they had grouped up and gave themselves names, mostly naming their group after a City, Area, or old Agricultural Colony the Whites had them Slaving On...

Blacks started grouping up in the 1940's, along Central Avenue, Dowtown L.A / South Central Areas, thats where Blacks allowed to own houses..

Blacks coming from Chicago, New Orleans, and Harlem New York brought the Jazz Culture with them, the Music, the Clothing, the Dancing, the Be Bopin, the whole 9 yards... (Zoot Suits)..............

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Blacks from New York that migrated to Los Angeles in the Early 1980's brought the Hip Hop Culture with them, Grafitti, Rappin, Breakin, DJ'in, th e whole 9 Yards.....

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Blacks created the Jazz Culture, Rock in Roll, and the Hip Hop Culture, no disputing that..

Mexicans created the Barrio Culture.................


Blacks bite off of Mexicans

Mexicans bite off of Blacks

And thats who it is/was..................

[mayugastank]

Heres something I picked up on alski1.......guess what crew he was from ? KOS, knocking out suckers.....a mexican crew !! MEXICAN! The first writers in LA were PRs , and although some go with blacks --their are plenty in NYC who dont speak a lick of english. I had homies who wouldve killed you for calling them black who were PRs.


The first taggers in L.A. weren't PR! You're talking completely out of your ass now. I was there, fool! The first writers in L.A. were black hip hoppers and white alternative culture types. Then local kids starting picking up on it. Then the scene got huge.

If you can't get the history of something that happened 25 years ago right, why should anybody believe what you say about the god damn 1910's or 1940's.

Youdont have a clue -----stick with what your name says ---SILENT, just shut your dumbass up, go to school and learn to type a grammatical sentence. Name one black crew outside KWS that had any clout in LA or the South! YOu fruit cake ---You didnt read the article dumbass, it stated that ALSKI was Puerto Rican --It didnt say PRs started the scene out here, however it did reiterate what I been saying that the very first crews WERE chicano in LA, alski, whom I know personally was from KOS, and KOS was a straight chicano crew one of the biggest outside OFA. To this date I cant think of ANY real black crews out here. Even in citys like Compton , Watts, Inglewood. The hotspots of Black culture in LA , their werent any notable crews. The biggest crews in those citys were in order KCC, WEC, KOS............all were MEXICAN crews!The group SUBLIME one of the biggest most listened to alternative groups in AMERICA, were members of KFS, a mexican crew, iN LB. Just listen to their Lyrics. Besides that you swang on the nuts , you probably just some low budget immigrant with an oversized belt , who bought his first spray can at HOME DEPOT. Aint no chicanos outside of East LA, all the rest of you just mixedin with Salvadoreans and got here yesterday types who cant put an outfit together unless the shit got snakeskin and dingle berrys.

[mayugastank]

im to young,ive been seeing taggers and crews since i was 5,ive seen hundreds and hundreds of taggers and never once a black one

Blacks were doing Hip Hop Grafitti in L.A in the Early to Mid 1980's.

There were Black Crews and Writers all over the Place....

Get that History of Los Angeles Grafitti Book

1980's----------

LTS~ Mid City (Mark 7)
RTA ~ West Adams
DEF ~ Imperial/Western Area (Clever)
KIL ~ Farifax ARea
DCK ~ Fairfax Area
UCA ~ Baldwin Hills Area
SCA ~ Inglewood Area
COA ~ Crenshaw Area
TSK ~ Crenshaw Area
NBT ~ Crenshaw Area
RTD ~ St Bernard High SChool Students

WCA ~ had niggas too

KWS ~ Western & Florence Area
- was started by niggas

NTS ~ South Central/Hunington Park Areas
-was started by Flex a Black dude aka Slowpoke from 5 Tray Avalon Gangsta Crips

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In the Early-Mid 1980's, Blacks were into Breaking,Poppin, Rappin, Grafitti...

Niggas in L.A were on the New York tip for a minute, even Crips & Bloods were Breakin & Poppin..

We all know Hip Hop Grafitti came by way of New York to L.A by Blacks, i dont think there were any Mexicans in New York back then, and Puerto Ricans in L.A was slim to none...

Blacks backed away from Grafitti in the Late 1980's / early 1990's

NBT was all the way MEXICAN, NOTHING BUT TROUBLE, they had crews in WATTS that were bigtime fitted in with the GRAPES Varrio ...a click off my crew OFA, KWS we know their story. The rest I cant even tell you about cuz they werent around when I was doing it and aint never even heard of them! Consider CBS, city Bomb Squad , KOs, KCC, OFA, KFS, M2k (mob 2 Kill) these are crews that started in the 80s and got bigger up until about 96' when they put the green light on us.

[mayugastank]

OH wow! the first black gangs go back to the 50s in chicago!! oh wow! lets see the NEWEST GANG in ELA is older then the oldest black gang in AMERICA.

The newest major gang in East Los is probably that lame KAMS gang, who started up in the 90's I guess. East LA has many newer and short lived gangs like Stoners 13, Indiana Dukes, Tiny Boys and The Lott. It's not all ancient gang like El Hoyo MV and White Fence over there.

Fool ! You dont know a thing......ROCKWOOD 13, GAHERTY LOMAS, WF, CLOVER, DOGTOWN ,EASTLAKE, AVENUES, EAST LA RIFA, HAZARD, SOTEL, EL SERRENO, EL SEGUNDO--some stretch into NELA, and EAST SIDE but most those clicks started out here in the spot. EL JARDIN, VARRIO NUEVO ESTRADA, CANTA RANA, fuck what your MAP SAYS, East LA runs into WHITTIER and FOUNTAIN VALLEY. We got history - not like you bunk ass got here yesterday crip and blood sets! Even gangs like LOS HARPYS started out here. Consider that most these varrios outside the ELA, had their roots in the towns that make up this wonderful subcity of ELA. Dirty ass dingy south central and WEST LOS , with their NO SPEKE ENGLICH, and combs in the hair. When you take a ride into ELA you just know you entered another world. We got class. Our houses are manicured and are people have money. We got chicanos doing big things out here. I dont even consider the rest of LA , even part of our world. I remeber moving into LOng BEach and thinking what a freaking mess out here. Cambodians wearing skirts and chopping up dogs, Paisas wearing Cowboys boots with slacks, white boys running around with cut off dickies, and blacks wearing pajamas in the middle of the day........LOL. What the hell you people doing?? We showed LA , what gangs were\we showed you guys how to dress--everything LA does comes from ELA. The women out here are gorgeous, hit any city, a little to the left of us and you got bitches wearing potato sacks and corn carts with fruit for sale. We got the most beautiful chicanas anywere. Take a trip out here, PAISA, and get a feel on how to act.

[mayugastank]

Take a look at the ARYAN BROTHERHOOD, pictures. NOW does that look like your average buncha white guys?

Of course they don't! They're a f***en prison gang! How do you expect them to look? Like a bunch of emo kids?
The truth about the AB is that they're really more bikers and rednecks/cowboys than anything. They're not KKK or neo-nazi types for the most part. Nor are they white cholos.

So they arent WHITE CHOLOS??? Nazi LOW RIDERS, hahaha!! that makes sense dont it? a NAZI who drives a LOW RIDER.....what a freaking joke.Outside the AB --they dominated the white population for a while. Now look at the pictures of the AB, tell me that their whole getdown isnt MEXICAN? they way they stand in pictures, dress, crease up and get tatted. Just look at the major figures in the AB, TOMMY SILVERSTEIN, FOUNTAINE, both killed inmates at the behest of the EME. These guys entire swagger came from chicanos, even groups like the Hells Angels get the area codes and dodgers symbols we popularized on them. You seem to talk outta turn alot, and you misinterpret any type of intelligent conversation for whatever your little mind THINKS was said , my suggestion to you is to proofread anything you write. I know you still learning the english language but shouldnt you be practicing at school before you delve into a debate on history and politcal science.? Those conversations are reserved for those of us who are able to comprehend the language and not confuse THEIRS and THERE, you dont seem to have a firm grasp on READING COMPREHENSION, there is a class offered in at some dirty little community college in WEST LA were the rest of you foreigners, (I.E.) Aremenians, Russians, Salvadoreans, CAmbodians, Koreans, Hindus. And all the rest of you who have polluted LA, with your history that you should of left in your country.