Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

[tysuave]

owned lol

[jdm894g]

this myuga dude is off his rocker....

i went to washington prep from 87-91 and it was a predominately black school(90%) as most schools were during that time in SCLA.

i went to high school with the founders of KWS-TEXTER, REESE, SIN, HYPE, WEB....

NBT..oh my god, are you kidding me...OGs-REAR, PUNISH, RENER, USER, JAPER, REZENT all Black minus RENER. They all were from TAC in 87 when I got in. TAC was half BLACK at that time.

CMA..criminal minded artist...started by CASTRO 86-87...We rocked shit at Bret Harte.

CCA-founded by blacks..LER, KEEN, ZEEN...had the cheech wizard on manchester and vermont back in 87. Much props to CASIO as well.

FS(FUCK SOCIETY)-south bay...started by THEORY ONE(NTSK) in 90....another black crew..and had other races from the south bay.

OLD SCHOOL BLACK CREWS: SCA, Together We Chill, SHOW NO MERCY, NEXT TO SERVE in the early days(FLEX, SPIROE, SENEK, etc)

a crew that never actually stopped piecing from the late 80s was RTN...CRE8. still holding it down to this day.

Dont get it twisted that BLACKS didnt have any thing going.

SHOUT TO MY NIGGA SERCHONE AOB RTDK UTI...the upest dude with slap tags...a black dude.

It may not have been a lot of us in the 90s, but there were enough to hold it down. A lot moved on to other things. moved out of LA or cali, banging, college, etc.

RAZEONE TAC-FSk last nigga in TAC...RIP FLYONE RIP RAREONE GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN!!!!!

[mayugastank]

this myuga dude is off his rocker....

i went to washington prep from 87-91 and it was a predominately black school(90%) as most schools were during that time in SCLA.

i went to high school with the founders of KWS-TEXTER, REESE, SIN, HYPE, WEB....

NBT..oh my god, are you kidding me...OGs-REAR, PUNISH, RENER, USER, JAPER, REZENT all Black minus RENER. They all were from TAC in 87 when I got in. TAC was half BLACK at that time.

CMA..criminal minded artist...started by CASTRO 86-87...We rocked shit at Bret Harte.

CCA-founded by blacks..LER, KEEN, ZEEN...had the cheech wizard on manchester and vermont back in 87. Much props to CASIO as well.

FS(fu-- SOCIETY)-south bay...started by THEORY ONE(NTSK) in 90....another black crew..and had other races from the south bay.

OLD SCHOOL BLACK CREWS: SCA, Together We Chill, SHOW NO MERCY, NEXT TO SERVE in the early days(FLEX, SPIROE, SENEK, etc)

a crew that never actually stopped piecing from the late 80s was RTN...CRE8. still holding it down to this day.

Dont get it twisted that BLACKS didnt have any thing going.

SHOUT TO MY NIGGA SERCHONE AOB RTDK UTI...the upest dude with slap tags...a black dude.

It may not have been a lot of us in the 90s, but there were enough to hold it down. A lot moved on to other things. moved out of LA or cali, banging, college, etc.

RAZEONE TAC-FSk last nigga in TAC...RIP FLYONE RIP RAREONE GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN!!!!!

I am speaking on the 90s , MANG! and to say anything before hand is all hearsay!! OFA my crew did come up in the mid 80s as did KOS a deep ass click. The KWs are some notorious MEXICANS! Now you gonna tell me their is black dudes that were KWS all day ?? cuz I can tell you about KWS I met who had the shit tattoed across the DAM FOREHEAD.....WHISPER, and BUBBLES from CUDAHY, KWS, had it going across their EYES and upside their cheeks. Its always about how blacks start something and we pick it up after the fact...........but that dont seem to be the case when it comes to SURENOS and NORTENOS coming some 40 years before CRips and Bloods, nah MY NINJA!! in that case , the 2 most notorious gangs in the country just happened to pick up the same flags ( ROLLS EYES) and the same dress and same tattoo styling , since we can pinpoint mexicans coming first , now its all got dam debatable!.........but nah when theirs any kind of proof of something being possible started by blacks now everybody copied?! get the phug outta here. Cuz aint a black gang in theie country with as much props as the crips and bloods and as much notoreity, EVEN though blacks number 3+ million in NYC and are 1/3 of the population of states like LOUSIANA and MISSIPPI. But oh what a mystery..........ONLY IN LA does gang life hold so much sway..and now a historic black city like NY, doesnt have a crip or blood copy or something similiar?? the PHONIES gotta copy LOS ANGELOS style and LOS ANGELOS gangs? NYC ---crips and Bloods. And only in LA does our cultures intertwine so much.........why cant yall just admit that you love our style? that when we flip the caps up and get the cursive across the chest and blast our hoods upside our heads or get the spraycans tatted on the stomache, or crease them dickies up or slam those bright white Ts, or get the area codes upside our arms and get the bitches going across the ribcage or keep the style clean and baggy at the same time ( something yall cant do , if your black and you wear big clothes it USUALLY looks sloppy)or smash the impalas or el caminos, and come out with some clean new style artwork ....................you guys JOCK!!..........and sad thing is ESE, that the shit doesnt go in reverse. Aint no one tried to take the jazz ,oldies or hip hop from you**** but you wanna keep taking everything you like from us and then turn around and say you invented it......we got a 100 year history in this bitch.We aint no new booty Cambodian immigrants , who dress mexican ,get tatted mexican , talk black, and claim a blood or crip set.........WE HAVE OUR OWN THING. And for reals when I look back at what we did first and what you guys do afterward its really debatable as to who owns the soul of underground when you guys cant hardly come up with anything on your own. You got YOUNG GOTTI, DON CORLIONI, LIL LUCHESSE, slang words like FUGAZI- and on and on and on.........coming and biting off the italians ---and thing is I wouldnt give 2 PHUGS about it ---cuz IMITATION is teh HIGHEST FORM OF FLATTERY, but now I gotta sit here and get into how the PHUG many years we been doing it BEFORE YOU_..........because all of a sudden I am debating the history of SHIZNIT that I thought we ALL knew.

[perongregory]

Lol mayuga you're a fool man, just keep that black hip hop culture goin, that's all I ask.

[mayugastank]

OH wow! the first black gangs go back to the 50s in chicago!! oh wow! lets see the NEWEST GANG in ELA is older then the oldest black gang in AMERICA.

The newest major gang in East Los is probably that lame KAMS gang, who started up in the 90's I guess. East LA has many newer and short lived gangs like Stoners 13, Indiana Dukes, Tiny Boys and The Lott. It's not all ancient gang like El Hoyo MV and White Fence over there.

JUST IMIAGINE THIS LOKO>>>>>outtta everything I am saying I can see why some of it would be misconstrued as racist.......but in the least bit that is NOT the case. I have alot of admiration for what blacks have done in this country and in the simplest of terms they are in many ways the voice of the people, be it ALL people of any race in the USA. The lyrics they have been able to hit NOT a person anywere on the earth doesnt know. I read something that said in order the 3 most famous things on earth were the SUPERMAN SYMBOL , THE MCDONALDS SYMBOL, AND THE NAME MICHAEL JACKSON. Having a member of your race with such popularity that all through out the world he is known is a feat in and of itself. Consider that the mans history was one of ownership being the descendants of slaves. Less then 50 years ago the man couldnt marry --a person of another race. At the time of his birth he was given a role to play for the rest of his life, servant ,cook ,busboy, farmhand, anything but what he turned out to be. That role was reserved for ALL blacks , and as you think of our current president --a long way has been traveled in a realitvely short timespan, blacks have been free for 230+ years and were enslaved for the same amount of time. Bondage a differnt word then slavery ---existed in LAW, up until the last racial leglislation was erased in I believe 1963. Hundreds of people shot, hung and regulated to be born and die in illiteracy and poverty. BUT BESIDES ALL THAT , the discussion is on the origins of street culture and ID say that MOST of what is modern street culture is CHICANO and spefically ELA bred. We are a unique anamoly in the USA. A race stuck in a racial conflict between white/black, we have always been either forced to pick a side or treated as if we werent even here. Consider the confusion amongst Americas other minority groups to name........Phillipinos, Cambodians, Cubans, Africans from Africa, Puerto RIcans, Cambodians, Viets, Arabs. Now the adults of these groups have a good understanding of their historys and cultures, but in almost all cases the children\ of these groups are either trying to fit in with blacks by adopting their style of dress or labeling themselves ASIANBOY CRIPS(lol) or like PHILLIPINOS and ARMENIANS placing a 13 after their names ot get MEXICAN STREET CRED. And like many asians completely abandoning their culture and marrying the most descpicable white men around, hoping that NO ONE will notice how slanted their childrens eyes are. WE CHICANOS dont have these confusions and a specific cultural pride is very evident in the citys of TERRACE -WHITTIER -BELL GARDENS-CUDAHY- MONTE BELLO- and other historic chicano citys. We are ourselves-unique and imitated. People may place their own little cultural spins on what we do --but no matter how hard you toss it --its still so chicano flavored that although the dickies sag or THUG LIFE across the stomache , instead of MI VIDA LOCA, or the roses and butterflies show up in color , the hometown knows that what we do is world wide trend setting and no matter hwo much blacks try to say they invented it they know god dam well they got it from the EAST SIDE.

[MENACE18]

everybody has their own shit,hispanics started from crews and became barrios,blacks had clubs who turned into crews,taggers theyre were probably ppl from different races doin that shit before it became big,black hoods arent as old as hispanic hoods

me i got some issues with blacks but not with all,i got respect for homies from black hoods,from my hood,but some of u black guys be talken bout black hoods from the 30s 40s,theyre not around so theyre not older then the hispanic barrios like white fence,38st,maravillas,clanton 14th,all those hood are still up and active,the hoods u guys are talken bout died out years ago,even if they started before some hispanic hoods that dont make them older unless they still goin,hispanics and blacks got their own shit

[youngspade]

everybody has their own shit,hispanics started from crews and became barrios,blacks had clubs who turned into crews,taggers theyre were probably ppl from different races doin that shit before it became big,black hoods arent as old as hispanic hoods

me i got some issues with blacks but not with all,i got respect for homies from black hoods,from my hood,but some of u black guys be talken bout black hoods from the 30s 40s,theyre not around so theyre not older then the hispanic barrios like white fence,38st,maravillas,clanton 14th,all those hood are still up and active,the hoods u guys are talken bout died out years ago,even if they started before some hispanic hoods that dont make them older unless they still goin,hispanics and blacks got their own shit

Im tired of fucking reading this TOPIC now, THE FUCKING BLACK P. STONES OF CHICAGO ARE STILL AROUND, THEY CREATED THE PEOPLE NATION WHICH HAS MORE GANGS THAN SURENOS in LA up in CHICAGO STFU ALL OF U

[MENACE18]

homie its a LA gnag culture,no chi town,and even if stones are aroud,alot of hispanic varrios are older than them

[youngspade]

homie its a LA gnag culture,no chi town,and even if stones are aroud,alot of hispanic varrios are older than them

NO THERE NOT, for sure, IN LA, but even in LA if it wasnt for the fall of the PANTHER PARTY we would still have gangs like we DID! Also, you guys gotta REMEMBER, those gangs that are NOW something ARE THE SAME FUCKING GANG just a evoloutionized NAME hense, CRIP or BLOODS. Slauson Boys, ALL THAT SHIT WAS Started when you guys FIRST gangs popped up! Slauson Boyz = 60z! BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE!

[xxx]

this myuga dude is off his rocker....

i went to washington prep from 87-91 and it was a predominately black school(90%) as most schools were during that time in SCLA.

i went to high school with the founders of KWS-TEXTER, REESE, SIN, HYPE, WEB....

NBT..oh my god, are you kidding me...OGs-REAR, PUNISH, RENER, USER, JAPER, REZENT all Black minus RENER. They all were from TAC in 87 when I got in. TAC was half BLACK at that time.

CMA..criminal minded artist...started by CASTRO 86-87...We rocked shit at Bret Harte.

CCA-founded by blacks..LER, KEEN, ZEEN...had the cheech wizard on manchester and vermont back in 87. Much props to CASIO as well.

FS(fu-- SOCIETY)-south bay...started by THEORY ONE(NTSK) in 90....another black crew..and had other races from the south bay.

OLD SCHOOL BLACK CREWS: SCA, Together We Chill, SHOW NO MERCY, NEXT TO SERVE in the early days(FLEX, SPIROE, SENEK, etc)

a crew that never actually stopped piecing from the late 80s was RTN...CRE8. still holding it down to this day.

Dont get it twisted that BLACKS didnt have any thing going.

SHOUT TO MY NIGGA SERCHONE AOB RTDK UTI...the upest dude with slap tags...a black dude.

It may not have been a lot of us in the 90s, but there were enough to hold it down. A lot moved on to other things. moved out of LA or cali, banging, college, etc.

RAZEONE TAC-FSk last nigga in TAC...RIP FLYONE RIP RAREONE GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN!!!!!

i forgot about these names you throwing out, i remember them all.....


If you were into Hip Hopshit and road the RTDs back then, you couldnt help but to pay attention to this scene, niggas running up to buses in broad day light, it was insane....This Brown Pride dude doesnt even know what an RTD bus is, he'slate in the game, he's from the MTA generation..

If you went to Washington, you Remember Clever and DEF (r.i.p 1987), and the Mural on Imperial & Van Ness

DEF is the Crew yall hero CARTOON the famous TATTOO artist was from, he was Flame back then, running around with niggas.

Then you had those dudes off Slauson and Hoover, Rish, Search aka Fabe, and Pre, the last two are from 52Broadway Gangsta now...


Flex and NTS, now 53 Avalon Gangstas


list goes on........

[xxx]

CMA..criminal minded artist...started by CASTRO 86-87...We rocked shit at Bret Harte.

i went to Bret Harte with this Dude, he lived on the 9-0 side off Barringcross...

I am speaking on the 90s , MANG!

This faggot ass racist is back peddling, check out his old post, you was speaking in General..

The KWs are some notorious MEXICANS

This is After the Fact

KWS has a Yard on the Slauson Train Tracks on between Normandie and Vermont


Check out this Black dude from KWS sending this Vato...

SURENOS and NORTENOS coming some 40 years before CRips and Bloods

No agruement there, but there was many Black gangs, that came b4 Crips and Bloods, that either got absorb into the Crips and Bloods or played out...

Purple Hearts, Outlaws, Slausons, Bishops, Avenues, Gladiators, Sportsman Park Boys, Figuroa Boys, Businessmen,Brims, Chain Gang, the list goes on, all pre-date Crips and Bloods...

, he 2 most notorious gangs in the country just happened to pick up the same flags ( ROLLS EYES) and the same dress and same tattoo styling , since we can pinpoint mexicans coming first , now its all got dam debatable!.........but nah when theirs any kind of proof of something being possible started by blacks now everybody copied?!

If you look at old Crip Pictures, i dont see them looking like Cholos,, they didnt talk like Cholos, walk like Cholos, no hair nets, no khakis pulled up to their Chins, none of that..

i dont Remember Cholos wearing Leather Coats,

The Zoot Suit Style of Dress came straight out of the JAZZ SCENE, thats how the Jazz Musicians Dressed, the Jazzz Clubs were up and down Central Avenue from Downtown to South Central to Watts...All that Jive Takl, Slick Talk,Be Bop'n those dance moves, thats Nigga Shit homie

The Oldies you hold so dear to your Heart, is nothing but Rythym and Blues, song by Blacks..

Hip Hop Culture is Rappin, Breakin, Poppin, Dj'n, and Grafitti Art, all nigga shit homie

What are Latino kids listen to, how are theydressing, calling eachother nigga, kept it 1-100 Bro!

ried to take the jazz ,oldies or hip hop from you**** but you wanna keep taking everything you like from us and then turn around and say you invented it......we got a 100 year history in this bitch.We aint no new booty Cambodian immigrants , who dress mexican ,get tatted mexican , talk black, and claim a blood or crip set.........WE HAVE OUR OWN THING. And for reals when I look back at what we did first and what you guys do afterward its really debatable as to who owns the soul of underground when you guys cant hardly come up with anything on your own. You got YOUNG GOTTI, DON CORLIONI, LIL LUCHESSE, slang words like FUGAZI- and on and on and on.........coming and biting off the italians ---and thing is I wouldnt give 2 PHUGS about it ---because IMITATION is teh]HIGHEST FORM OF FLATTERY, but now I gotta sit here and get into how the PHUG many years we been doing it BEFORE YOU_..........because all of a sudden I am debating the history of SHIZNIT that I thought we ALL knew.

Every ethnic group has band toether to form a Group or gang, nothing special about that bronco.....

I see you read a couple of books on this site that gives the Chicanos a gang scene dating back to the 1900, 1910, 1920, 1930's..

My question is, were these really gangs, or just clubs..

what kind of gang banging could they have done back then..

Most houses were built in the 30's and 40's..

L.A looked like Riverside County back then, all Agricultural Land, Cattle Ranches..

The Mexicans lived in Colonies, segregated Areas, movement restricted by the WHites, couldnt live in certain areas, they worked the Whites Fields, like how yo usee n Central Valley California..

So what was really going on in Racist Segragated California back then?????


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I was watching some shit on Discovery Channel last nite on the AB of Texas, this dude was sounding just like this Vato on here, if i closed my eyes i couldnt tell the difference...


he was yapping about how the white man invented all these different things, how the rest of us copy and benifeted from Whitemans inventions...

Same type of shit this Vato is screaming about...

[xxx]

everybody has their own shit,hispanics started from crews and became barrios,blacks had clubs who turned into crews,taggers theyre were probably ppl from different races doin that shit before it became big,black hoods arent as old as hispanic hoods

me i got some issues with blacks but not with all,i got respect for homies from black hoods,from my hood,but some of u black guys be talken bout black hoods from the 30s 40s,theyre not around so theyre not older then the hispanic barrios like white fence,38st,maravillas,clanton 14th,all those hood are still up and active,the hoods u guys are talken bout died out years ago,even if they started before some hispanic hoods that dont make them older unless they still goin,hispanics and blacks got their own shit

i feel you dog, 18st started in 1969, the same year as the Crips..

And the 18s in the Jungle and Rancho Park aint around no more either, Rimpau and Hollywood 18s are a thing of the past too,so yall you right, gangs play out......

[xxx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvyojuTd0co
Black dude from KWS

[mayugastank]

homie its a LA gnag culture,no chi town,and even if stones are aroud,alot of hispanic varrios are older than them

NO THERE NOT, for sure, IN LA, but even in LA if it wasnt for the fall of the PANTHER PARTY we would still have gangs like we DID! Also, you guys gotta REMEMBER, those gangs that are NOW something ARE THE SAME #%@&#%@ GANG just a evoloutionized NAME hense, CRIP or BLOODS. Slauson Boys, ALL THAT SHIT WAS Started when you guys FIRST gangs popped up! Slauson Boyz = 60z! BIG #%@&#%@ DIFFERENCE!

Man your a joke you arguing about the obviousness of it all!! There is not one gang in the nation of any GOT dam race anywere from east to west-north to south older then the Varrios of East LA . Get that?? black gangs going back to the 50 is a big deal ---when you watch gang land or any other show it tells you from the members own mouths there 50+ year history......like its a big deal ...........50 year old black gangs are called tradition ! what a freaking joke! the VAST majority of Chicano gangs in the VAlley (SGV) and most of LA go back past 50 years , shit in ELA thats considered a NEW HOOD!So now when you pop up with a black hood sporting the same colors and wearing alot of the same things ----getting tatted the same , doing EVERYTHING we started ,but giving it your own spin ----oh dear GOD , that isnt imitation , oh no!! that is building on something or adding FLAVA to it , or making it betta!! or whatever the PHUG excuses you fools use. All I see is mimicking, biting and messing up something original and turning something smooth into a freaking joke for the late nights to were EVERYONE outside LA thinks , gangstas dress like SNOOP and get PHUGED up tatts like THE GAME. The gangs you name all take their start to the 1940s.......and later SLAUSONS--1940s, GLADIATORS 1950s ......on and on , by then we had the 3rd or possible fourth of EAST LOS gangsters........and thing is if people were down for the SLAUSONS and lived it, theyd still be kicking up dust, it didnt happen in ELA, were a huge gang just died out , little notorious hoods liek the FENCE , were their from the start and guess were they still at TODAY?? Yup same spot!It chaps you that your gangs are a freaking copy and a poor one at that. Sitting here arguing with your blind ass about how the crips and bloods didnt copy the red and blue from the SUR/NORTE, what a freaking stupid ass argument. ANy freaking idiot can see how that came about --their is no way 2 such Notoriuous gangs living and getting locked up together didnt know what the other was doing ........shit I can name just about all the HOOVER CLICKS and ECC clicks and call out by name their enemies and name about some 20 dudes from each HOOD. And that wasnt even me trying to learn the shit, it just when yor getting locked up and dealing with the same peeps you get to know what and who the people are . Off top I can name about 50+ black hoods I knew and met fools from and fools I knew to be riders that were from WSP and straight Gz from the 30s and Pstones. Fools that went thru that YA eval and alot about black street culture. SO DONT TELL ME --BLACKS DIDNT KNOW WHAT HISPANICS WERE DOING or WHATEVER YOU SAYING. I ran into black OGs that would tell you about the DOGTOWN crips and their beef with the Clovers and AVENUES and going back the to start of the crips. And how they liked the vatos getdown and their rides. But our history in ELA is alot more established and older and their ISNT a VATO ALIVE TODAY who can tell you when WE STARTED , cuz theyd have to be over a 100 years old . NOw just get past it ...and move on

[mayugastank]

everybody has their own shit,hispanics started from crews and became barrios,blacks had clubs who turned into crews,taggers theyre were probably ppl from different races doin that shit before it became big,black hoods arent as old as hispanic hoods

me i got some issues with blacks but not with all,i got respect for homies from black hoods,from my hood,but some of u black guys be talken bout black hoods from the 30s 40s,theyre not around so theyre not older then the hispanic barrios like white fence,38st,maravillas,clanton 14th,all those hood are still up and active,the hoods u guys are talken bout died out years ago,even if they started before some hispanic hoods that dont make them older unless they still goin,hispanics and blacks got their own shit

i feel you dog, 18st started in 1969, the same year as the Crips..

And the 18s in the Jungle and Rancho Park aint around no more either, Rimpau and Hollywood 18s are a thing of the past too,so yall you right, gangs play out......

OUCH THAT HURT >>>>>>>>>>>>>I SEE YOUR A REAL PROFESSIONAL WHEN IT COMES TO CUTTING A FOOL DOWN WITH HIS OWN WORDS.....the 18street gang is a new booty ass click full of rejects and sod busters, they are a click off the Clanton Gang, and decided to break away. This fool MENACE acting like 18st got some history , they are one of the newest VARRIOS in LA. And like alot of gangs in the West Los , they didnt keep true to the East Side and bounced away and started being about quantity instead of quality. THe Clanton gang originally started off as a click from WF. So did the TOONERVILLES and PF. 18 street is just about numbers and half their members cant even speak english ---that gang doesnt get alot of respect outside their varrio. If you hit any yard or juvenile, they are usually the outsiders.

[mayugastank]

CMA..criminal minded artist...started by CASTRO 86-87...We rocked shit at Bret Harte.

i went to Bret Harte with this Dude, he lived on the 9-0 side off Barringcross...

I am speaking on the 90s , MANG!

This faggot ass racist is back peddling, check out his old post, you was speaking in General..

The KWs are some notorious MEXICANS

This is After the Fact

KWS has a Yard on the Slauson Train Tracks on between Normandie and Vermont


Check out this Black dude from KWS sending this Vato...

SURENOS and NORTENOS coming some 40 years before CRips and Bloods

No agruement there, but there was many Black gangs, that came b4 Crips and Bloods, that either got absorb into the Crips and Bloods or played out...

Purple Hearts, Outlaws, Slausons, Bishops, Avenues, Gladiators, Sportsman Park Boys, Figuroa Boys, Businessmen,Brims, Chain Gang, the list goes on, all pre-date Crips and Bloods...

, he 2 most notorious gangs in the country just happened to pick up the same flags ( ROLLS EYES) and the same dress and same tattoo styling , since we can pinpoint mexicans coming first , now its all got dam debatable!.........but nah when theirs any kind of proof of something being possible started by blacks now everybody copied?!

If you look at old Crip Pictures, i dont see them looking like Cholos,, they didnt talk like Cholos, walk like Cholos, no hair nets, no khakis pulled up to their Chins, none of that..

i dont Remember Cholos wearing Leather Coats,

The Zoot Suit Style of Dress came straight out of the JAZZ SCENE, thats how the Jazz Musicians Dressed, the Jazzz Clubs were up and down Central Avenue from Downtown to South Central to Watts...All that Jive Takl, Slick Talk,Be Bop'n those dance moves, thats Nigga Shit homie

The Oldies you hold so dear to your Heart, is nothing but Rythym and Blues, song by Blacks..

Hip Hop Culture is Rappin, Breakin, Poppin, Dj'n, and Grafitti Art, all nigga shit homie

What are Latino kids listen to, how are theydressing, calling eachother nigga, kept it 1-100 Bro!

ried to take the jazz ,oldies or hip hop from you**** but you wanna keep taking everything you like from us and then turn around and say you invented it......we got a 100 year history in this bitch.We aint no new booty Cambodian immigrants , who dress mexican ,get tatted mexican , talk black, and claim a blood or crip set.........WE HAVE OUR OWN THING. And for reals when I look back at what we did first and what you guys do afterward its really debatable as to who owns the soul of underground when you guys cant hardly come up with anything on your own. You got YOUNG GOTTI, DON CORLIONI, LIL LUCHESSE, slang words like FUGAZI- and on and on and on.........coming and biting off the italians ---and thing is I wouldnt give 2 PHUGS about it ---because IMITATION is teh]HIGHEST FORM OF FLATTERY, but now I gotta sit here and get into how the PHUG many years we been doing it BEFORE YOU_..........because all of a sudden I am debating the history of SHIZNIT that I thought we ALL knew.

Every ethnic group has band toether to form a Group or gang, nothing special about that bronco.....

I see you read a couple of books on this site that gives the Chicanos a gang scene dating back to the 1900, 1910, 1920, 1930's..

My question is, were these really gangs, or just clubs..

what kind of gang banging could they have done back then..

Most houses were built in the 30's and 40's..

L.A looked like Riverside County back then, all Agricultural Land, Cattle Ranches..

The Mexicans lived in Colonies, segregated Areas, movement restricted by the WHites, couldnt live in certain areas, they worked the Whites Fields, like how yo usee n Central Valley California..

So what was really going on in Racist Segragated California back then?????


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I was watching some shit on Discovery Channel last nite on the AB of Texas, this dude was sounding just like this Vato on here, if i closed my eyes i couldnt tell the difference...


he was yapping about how the white man invented all these different things, how the rest of us copy and benifeted from Whitemans inventions...

Same type of shit this Vato is screaming about...

Zoot suits first gained popularity in Harlem jazz culture in the late 1930s, where they were initially called drapes.[11] The zoot suit became very popular among young Mexican Americans, especially pachucos in Los Angeles. Anti-Mexican youth riots in Los Angeles during World War II are known as the Zoot Suit Riots. In modern day popular culture, Zoot Suits became popular from the song, "Zoot Suit Riot", by the Cherry Poppin' Daddies.

..........................................................OKAY I done it time and time again on this forum........................here goes a little something that relates to what you saying ------Their is 2 differnt opinions on it ---EL PASO was supposedly were the first zootsuits showed up. BUt ill give you the above just to get it straight with you .............zootsuits poularity was from the late 30s to the mid 40s,.............heres a list of gangs in ELA active today , that go beyond the late 30s.........if you believe ELA gang culture started with the ZOOTSUITS you are SMOKING !! iT was a bump on the long tradition of ELA gangsterism. Something you shoud be aware of considering that MOST of what is black street culture came from it. ..........................


LIST PRE-ZOOTSUITS..........38th street, Clanton, WF, MARAVILLA, ROCKWOOD, GAHERTY LOMAS, CANTA RANAS, CHINO SINNERS, AVENUES, CLOVER, DOGTOWN, EL MONTE FLORES< HICKS, VARRIO NUEVO ESTRADA, TOONERVILLE,PUENTE13, BASSETT GRANDE, EL SERRENO, ...........if I had more time I would name even more.........dont be pulling that slight of hand and trying to throw up the ZOOTSUIT period to show we copied you or that our gang history started at that point. Becasue thats a GOT DAM LIE. Some of the gangs I named go some 20 years before ZOOTSUITS.

[xxx]

Is That Kid Frost the Rapping Chicano from East L.A hanging out with Mayates????

ISNT a VATO ALIVE TODAY who can tell you when WE STARTED , because theyd have to be over a 100 years old . NOw just get past it ...and move on

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1909

What Varrio was around in 1909?

Just think about what Los Angeles looked like in 1909.....


WHat Barrio Wars was crackin back then 1900's - 1930's?

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Jazz Scene & The Zoot Suits




ca. 1930s --- Jazz musician Cab Calloway wearing a white zoot suit and holding a baton. --- Image by © Bettmann/CORBIS



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http://www.allaboutjazz.com/reviews/r1099_106.htm

Central Avenue Sounds: Jazz In Los Angeles (1921-1956)


The West Coast has, until lately, been neglected in the story of jazz. The standard tale goes something like this: Jazz was born in New Orleans, migrated to Chicago with Louis Armstrong, then over to Kansas City and New York. What we knew of The West Coast was that Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie delivered bebop to the uninformed in 1945 causing an exodus of homegrown talent to New York including Charles Mingus, Dexter Gordon, and Art Pepper.

Central Avenue from downtown Los Angeles to Watts was a thriving cultural center much like Harlem was to New York I thought I’d never say this, but thanks to segregation and land use restrictions, African Americans moving to California to find work wound up on Central Avenue. Thus it became the social and cultural center of their community. Black owned clubs operated near the ‘whites only’ Cotton Clubs of their era. Not until after World War II did deed restrictions end; that, coupled with City Hall harassment, effectively ended this cultural cauldron scattering the African-American community throughout Los Angeles. During this 35-year period Hollywood stars rubbed elbows with local butchers and barbers as jazz flourished on Central Avenue.....

Central Avenue Sounds: Jazz In Los Angeles (1921-1956) doesn’t so much establish a West Coast Sound, that would come later with cool jazz, as much as it verifies a legitimate scene. The street that ran from Downtown to Watts was a viable setting for musical and artist expression.


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EVRBODY COPIES EVERYBODY

[MENACE18]

mayugastank shut the fuck up ese,talken bout half of 18st cant speak english,maybe the mara 18s in central and south america but over here in the u.s and all over the world we can,homies over there even can speak it as a matter of fact,18st been around since 1959 got started by knightowl and 3 younger vatos who were brothers known as the lopez brothers

18st in prison, were the deepest hood in LA county jail we run that shit any1 whos been there will tell you who runs that shit,we got homies who fuck up vatos in there and the homies barely gonna get out but we dont give a fuck

we aint no click of clanton 14th,knightowl wanted to be a click called clanton 18th but theyre veteranos said no its clanton 14th or nada so knight owl said fuck it and we started the 18st gang



and to that black vato who said if the old ass hispanic barrios were clubs or gangs,another black guy was sayin black CLUBS were started before hispanic gangs,aint no difference,gangs all started as groups

[xxx]

if you believe ELA gang culture started with the ZOOTSUITS you are SMOKING !! iT was a bump on the long tradition of ELA gangsterism. Something you shoud be aware of considering that MOST of what is black street culture came from it. ..........................

I dont know about all this ELA Gangsterism b4 the Zoot Suits, im not sure what these Groups Criminal Activiities were back then, were they labeled gangs back then, did they call themselves gangs at that point in time?

i just Imagine the American Image in Los angeles California in the Early 1900's, The Wild West, unpaved streets, b4 World War 1 & 2, Segregations at its High Point, Argricultral Fields, Colonias, Cattle Ranches, Pueblos, Missions......

Be specific, what about Black Street Culture came from ELA Gangsterism?

Tell Us How Mexicans and Blacks dressed, talked, and acted the same in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's

Lets start matching up shit in here, see if your theory fits.....

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Ethnicity

areas of northeastern Los Angeles had heavy Anglo populations until the 1930s, when the development of whites-only areas in Mid-Wilshire and the West Side drew away most of the area's Anglo population.

In the southern portions of the region, there were also large and diverse non-Hispanic populations; Boyle Heights was heavily Serbian, Jewish, and Japanese, and Lincoln Heights was heavily Italian. However, most of these groups moved to segregated suburbs after World War II, and Mexicans who had been forced into squalid slums such as Boyle Heights' infamous "The Flats" (later the site of the infamous Aliso Village housing project) seized the opportunity to move into the region's housing at low prices. With the exception of a small but distinct Filipino population in areas such as Eagle Rock, Glassell Park and Atwater Village, the region was primarily Mexican American by 1950.


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From the turn of the 20th century until World War II, Boyle Heights served as the hub of Southern California's Jewish community. Kosher delis, bakeries and other Jewish businesses dominated Brooklyn Avenue -- now Cesar Chavez Avenue. In the 1950s, the Eastside neighborhood's Jewish population began to decline, with many leaving for West Los Angeles and the San Fernando Valley.

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LIST PRE-ZOOTSUITS..........38th street, Clanton, WF, MARAVILLA, ROCKWOOD, GAHERTY LOMAS, CANTA RANAS, CHINO SINNERS, AVENUES, CLOVER, DOGTOWN, EL MONTE FLORES< HICKS, VARRIO NUEVO ESTRADA, TOONERVILLE,PUENTE13, BASSETT GRANDE, EL SERRENO, ...........if I had more time I would name even more.........dont be pulling that slight of hand and trying to throw up the ZOOTSUIT period to show we copied you or that our gang history started at that point. Becasue thats a GOT DAM LIE. Some of the gangs I named go some 20 years before ZOOTSUITS.

if I had more time I would name even more

Yeah, go grab your City of Qurtz Book, or was it the Gangs Of Los Angeles book by that Cop....


Must of these Gangs you mentioned werent gangs but Colonias, a source of Labor for the Anglos back then.....


Rockwood, are you serious? You must be from Rockwood..


Rockwood is a 1980's Football Team turned Gang

Rockwood Street Locos, i have a homeboy that used to be from there, when they used to play Football games against a gang called The Rascals in the Belmont High Area, his Uncle are Gs from 18St, thats whos hood that used to be...

If Your Talking about e/s Rockwood who Merge with Gerhaghty Loma in the Late 80's/Early 90's??????

I f i remember right, our buddy on here from the Lott, explained the e/s Rockwoods were part of that Stoners Era, i might be wrrong, but thats my final Answer!!!

[perongregory]

Mayuga arguements jump around too much, working for his mexicans are superior bit, but when you use the same logic for blacks he has something else to say.

[jdm894g]

CMA..criminal minded artist...started by CASTRO 86-87...We rocked shit at Bret Harte.

i went to Bret Harte with this Dude, he lived on the 9-0 side off Barringcross...

I am speaking on the 90s , MANG!

This faggot ass racist is back peddling, check out his old post, you was speaking in General..

The KWs are some notorious MEXICANS

This is After the Fact

KWS has a Yard on the Slauson Train Tracks on between Normandie and Vermont


Check out this Black dude from KWS sending this Vato...



...

We may actually know each other.

yeah I remember that piece they did for clever on imperial. I rmember the shit Ceez did on western and imperial on the red brick building.

I know KWS was started by Blacks and was predominately black well into the early 90s. After that I dont know what happened. I graduated in 91 and went to college. But overall our numbers in so cal started to dwindle and all this racist shit started hitting the streets.

CASTRO used to work at autozone...i believe he was a manager at one point.

PRE...ran into him about a month ago..along with MOEZART. saw cre8. It was a little graff show on 93rd/vermont. Mostly brothas getting down. Mark7 was there, too.

[mayugastank]

if you believe ELA gang culture started with the ZOOTSUITS you are SMOKING !! iT was a bump on the long tradition of ELA gangsterism. Something you shoud be aware of considering that MOST of what is black street culture came from it. ..........................

I dont know about all this ELA Gangsterism b4 the Zoot Suits, im not sure what these Groups Criminal Activiities were back then, were they labeled gangs back then, did they call themselves gangs at that point in time?

i just Imagine the American Image in Los angeles California in the Early 1900's, The Wild West, unpaved streets, b4 World War 1 & 2, Segregations at its High Point, Argricultral Fields, Colonias, Cattle Ranches, Pueblos, Missions......

Be specific, what about Black Street Culture came from ELA Gangsterism?

Tell Us How Mexicans and Blacks dressed, talked, and acted the same in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's

Lets start matching up shit in here, see if your theory fits.....

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Ethnicity

areas of northeastern Los Angeles had heavy Anglo populations until the 1930s, when the development of whites-only areas in Mid-Wilshire and the West Side drew away most of the area's Anglo population.

In the southern portions of the region, there were also large and diverse non-Hispanic populations; Boyle Heights was heavily Serbian, Jewish, and Japanese, and Lincoln Heights was heavily Italian. However, most of these groups moved to segregated suburbs after World War II, and Mexicans who had been forced into squalid slums such as Boyle Heights' infamous "The Flats" (later the site of the infamous Aliso Village housing project) seized the opportunity to move into the region's housing at low prices. With the exception of a small but distinct Filipino population in areas such as Eagle Rock, Glassell Park and Atwater Village, the region was primarily Mexican American by 1950.


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From the turn of the 20th century until World War II, Boyle Heights served as the hub of Southern California's Jewish community. Kosher delis, bakeries and other Jewish businesses dominated Brooklyn Avenue -- now Cesar Chavez Avenue. In the 1950s, the Eastside neighborhood's Jewish population began to decline, with many leaving for West Los Angeles and the San Fernando Valley.

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LIST PRE-ZOOTSUITS..........38th street, Clanton, WF, MARAVILLA, ROCKWOOD, GAHERTY LOMAS, CANTA RANAS, CHINO SINNERS, AVENUES, CLOVER, DOGTOWN, EL MONTE FLORES< HICKS, VARRIO NUEVO ESTRADA, TOONERVILLE,PUENTE13, BASSETT GRANDE, EL SERRENO, ...........if I had more time I would name even more.........dont be pulling that slight of hand and trying to throw up the ZOOTSUIT period to show we copied you or that our gang history started at that point. Becasue thats a GOT DAM LIE. Some of the gangs I named go some 20 years before ZOOTSUITS.

if I had more time I would name even more

Yeah, go grab your City of Qurtz Book, or was it the Gangs Of Los Angeles book by that Cop....


Must of these Gangs you mentioned werent gangs but Colonias, a source of Labor for the Anglos back then.....


Rockwood, are you serious? You must be from Rockwood..


Rockwood is a 1980's Football Team turned Gang

Rockwood Street Locos, i have a homeboy that used to be from there, when they used to play Football games against a gang called The Rascals in the Belmont High Area, his Uncle are Gs from 18St, thats whos hood that used to be...

If Your Talking about e/s Rockwood who Merge with Gerhaghty Loma in the Late 80's/Early 90's??????

I f i remember right, our buddy on here from the Lott, explained the e/s Rockwoods were part of that Stoners Era, i might be wrrong, but thats my final Answer!!!

BOYLE HEIGHTS _LINCOLN HEIGHTS --these are my stomping grounds...born and raised in MONTEBELLO....home to the MMVs , the history of white fence says they started in direct response to italians and russians and jewsin these areas.........LOS AVENIDAS, are a gang going back way back,some argue before any gang in LA , white italian or jew.THE FENCE claims they were before AVES but I dont know, WF says they started in Boyle Heights, early as the 1900s but for a fact they were already around heavily by the 1920s as their are storys in the LA times archives naming them as the gang of MISCREANTS CALLING THEMSELVES THE WHITE FENCE GANG. The trial of the 38th street gang happened , The trial consisted of dozens of members of the gang, the were well established by the 1940s. ROCKWOOD, is a gang that was an original click off of a gang called GAUGE that eventually became the Maravilla click of the same name.ROCKWOOD died out and was brought back to life around 1970. Your talking about gangs here dude not some PEEWEE set liek the slausons who couldnt hold on. The gangs 38th go back and have a history longer then just about every gang, dont take my word for it just look up the sleepy lagoon trial, youll see just how deep WE WERE and how we dressed , theres dozens of pICS on it

[MENACE18]

rockwood aint shit,u wont see any of them in the sts,they got shitload of turf taken from homies from WS18ST CLCS

[mayugastank]

rockwood aint shit,u wont see any of them in the sts,they got shitload of turf taken from homies from WS18ST CLCS

MAn are you still pumping up 18street? that fake fronting ass PAISA gang, EYTEEN ESTREET!!freaking paisa ass hood. JUmping in anybody that just crossed the
border just so you look deep?? Earlier I heard you say that 18st runs county....what a freaking joke --I was their when your homeys got the greenlight in 2003 ,half your homeys PCd up ....their is such a hatred for that hood that other varrios that were greenlit just got checked and occassionally a beatdown but usually it was on the up and up . Your varrio is such a lame ass hood that SURENOS from every county took the oppurtunity to check some soft ass vatos from your PAISA ass gang in.Gangs of your homeys locked it up. Thats pretty much were 18street started having issues with the SUR. After that you had lil clicks of 18 claiming to nt be Surenos. Since they were getting treated bad in LA county, stabbed ,slashed and beat up and PCd, alot of your homies said fuck that and started saying they were not SURENOS, any fool like that during the late 90s was checked in quick .....a few fools I knew from my time around got checked in. But really 18 street got some riders but alot of your homies is just some lame ass NO SPEAKE ENGLICH type border brothers that try to dress like gangsters and get it all messed up ,wearing JOKERS jerseys and NIKE cortez with fat laces , like some lame asses. Stop trying to pump up your Varrio cuz out of all SURENO gangs your 18 street has got the least respect. The NS 18 and ES clicks are dead in the WATER. Cudahy and Bell Gardens clicks arent even around --------stay out of EAST LOS with your paisa ass hood.....Keep your ass on the WEST with all them other immigrants , AREMENIANS, GYPSYS< KOREANS AND SALVIs........shit your hood jumps in all those immigrants,......hahaha

[~J~]

Mayuga, sometimes you got some true unbiased things to say but man most the other stuff is way off the mark!

[mayugastank]

Mayuga, sometimes you got some true unbiased things to say but man most the other stuff is way off the mark!

J~ I always tell the truth even when I am lying......*SCARFACE*

[MENACE18]

your fucken stupid mayugastank,yea very few homies in the states are illegals and even the 1s who are u cant even tell cuz they lived in the states since they were 2 or 3 dipshit,raised around homies from the hood and taught to bang the best,and wtf u talken bout bell gardens ss18st tds are deep and in cudhay too,we control more shit than mudhay 13 does dumbass,quit talken shit u aint from a barrio anyways,if surenos so down how come they cudnt take out maravillas,opal st,even us,we had a green light on us and surenos still didnt do shit,if were so lame how come la eme came to us to join them so that ms wouldnt get out of line,they told us no more blacks we still got black 18s and new 1s to,dee from tiny malditos black,dee from dimented minded gangsters black,big gus 54th tls black,smokey smiley drive gangsters,so quit talken all this shit bout my hood leva,and ur stupid as fuck we stand on our own,we aint a sureno hood leva,only ss18strs say they surenos cuz they are the rest dont rep that shit cuz we aint,and nah u probably be watchin those documentaries bout mierdas and how they say 18 has any1 in,to join us pendejo u gotta prove ur down for the barrio,shit the homie shyboy from ss18st kws been in mexico since june and hes waitin to get an ok from the homie so that he cud start up a clicka in michoacan and hes makin the vatos show theyre down for the hood and ready to do or die for the one eight


we got the least respect,look at culver city,their barrio filled with cops patrollin 24/7,not cuz theyre crazy but just to catch vatos from hoods,look at barrio mojados,40 ounce,the brats,what hood is makin noise,none of them,only hoods who always been makin noise is 18st,florencia use to in the 90s but now they try to get all buddy buddy with other sureno hoods that use to be their enemies,ask for a vato named lil homie from florencia neiborhood clicka,that vato tryed kissen the ass of vatos from big hazard who said straight up fuck his hood,dis vato aint a youngster either hes 23,the only sureno hood i respect is es playboys cuz those vatos are actually puttin in work and are how florencia use to be,either ur from our hood or we blast you,u ever see us click up with another barrio to handle beef with another hood like a majority of sureno hoods have,no,cuz we stand alone,

[mayugastank]

your #%@&$% stupid mayugastank,yea very few homies in the states are illegals and even the 1s who are u cant even tell because they lived in the states since they were 2 or 3 dipshit,raised around homies from the hood and taught to bang the best,and wtf u talken bout bell gardens ss18st tds are deep and in cudhay too,we control more shit than mudhay 13 does dumbass,quit talken shit u aint from a barrio anyways,if surenos so down how come they cudnt take out maravillas,opal st,even us,we had a green light on us and surenos still didnt do shit,if were so lame how come la eme came to us to join them so that ms wouldnt get out of line,they told us no more blacks we still got black 18s and new 1s to,dee from tiny malditos black,dee from dimented minded gangsters black,big gus 54th tls black,smokey smiley drive gangsters,so quit talken all this shit bout my hood leva,and ur stupid as fu-- we stand on our own,we aint a sureno hood leva,only ss18strs say they surenos because they are the rest dont rep that shit because we aint,and nah u probably be watchin those documentaries bout mierdas and how they say 18 has any1 in,to join us pendejo u gotta prove ur down for the barrio,shit the homie shyboy from ss18st kws been in mexico since june and hes waitin to get an ok from the homie so that he cud start up a clicka in michoacan and hes makin the vatos show theyre down for the hood and ready to do or die for the one eight


we got the least respect,look at culver city,their barrio filled with cops patrollin 24/7,not because theyre crazy but just to catch vatos from hoods,look at barrio mojados,40 ounce,the brats,what hood is makin noise,none of them,only hoods who always been makin noise is 18st,florencia use to in the 90s but now they try to get all buddy buddy with other sureno hoods that use to be their enemies,ask for a vato named lil homie from florencia neiborhood clicka,that vato tryed kissen the ass of vatos from big hazard who said straight up fu-- his hood,dis vato aint a youngster either hes 23,the only sureno hood i respect is es playboys because those vatos are actually puttin in work and are how florencia use to be,either ur from our hood or we blast you,u ever see us click up with another barrio to handle beef with another hood like a majority of sureno hoods have,no,because we stand alone,

MAN your a fool. Your hood aint got an ounce of respect dont try to sound like the 18 street is in county claiming they aint surenos. YOu talking about MMV, fool them vatos all checked in they dont hit a yard , they lock it up! The mongols motorcycle club -----tried to go against SUR and got checked in --anyone who goes against gets violated, vatos get put to the test hard when they catch a verde, your homies are notoriously known as being LEVAS, most your homies are MOJOs, and I didnt see it on a video I saw it first hand --alot of your homies are suckers, your pumping up a varrio that all SURENOS know is a straight LEVA click, rejects vatos that couldnt get put on any other set. I talked to your homey "BEAVER" a well known for from CUDAHY with the 18 on his cheek and even he admitted that your varrio was putting 2 many MOJADOS on , alot of your homies from COLUMBIAS, are straight border brothers, I knew your homie KIROS and CHINO both who got --got in 98 from the CYCLS click. Their is riders in your hood I said that , but dont try to act like the 18 is on a take no prisoners roll. You vatos tow the line ----You got quite a few homies from the MM and they definetly would check your entire set if you guys tried going your own way. In every pinta your homies run with SUR and most them get the SUR on them,you guys aint no renegades liek you try and say. Check out what happened to MONGOLS, LENNOX 13, MMV, OPAL, and any varrio that gets a verde --they get it bad ..............dont act like its an idle threat cuz theirs is many a fool willing to let an 18streeter have it when you guys get the light. I grew up in ELA and stayed in LB, and those places may have some funkie ass hood 18street but not no deep sets. Your varrio dont get checked by sets from outside LA , but every varrio in LA , hundreds of them are willing to put it down on you fools for whatever reason. I aint lying. A homey of yours that worked at my shop , and I were talking about the VERDE you guys caught and I asked him whether you fools were 18 and it came back to that mean nasty ass verde you guys had that put alot of your homeys to the test , just ask your OGS about hwo many of your varrio locked it up after getting put on the hard candy lista. They had to pay big dollar$$$ to get off that and your homies who were juiced in were doing what they could for your hood. You dont got a clue loko! and chicano who wasnt from a varrio was required to run with the PAISAs I got alot of love in ELA from WF and vatos from TOONERVILLEs , my familia, brothers ,father and primos go back deep in thsoe sets so when I got my case , I was a tagger and rode with the ELA ramfla instead of the PAISA car. I stayed out the mix cuz you dont wanna be running your mouth if you aint legit in a varrio , but on the real I was there when your homies were getting served and bad as you are , what the hell you gonna do when you got some 20 dudes ready to get your ass, you know the beat down you catch on a green is 3 times and sometimes fools wouldnt be able to handle the 2nd round so it was a test to personality on to who got to stay around. ESPECIALLY for your hood cuz the verde was more then a roll up. I knew alot of fools from around the way cuz I was a criminal , who liked to get off on robberies and did my stretch in juvenile many of the fools from 18street that I saw getting manhandled were fools I knew since the HALLS and NORWALK, dont get it twisted , no matter how bad you pump your varrio up you guys go with the program.

[MENACE18]

ese ur trippen,we dont give a fuck bout sur homie,18 is 18,we ride alone aint no get a long gangs

[mayugastank]

ese ur trippen,we dont give a fu-- bout sur homie,18 is 18,we ride alone aint no get a long gangs

where you getting that from ?? where do you ride alone? the pen? county ? were ? besides the juvenile? aint no where 18 is not riding with surenos........you got quite a few members that are hooked up big time with SUR politics , and they definetly arent talking about F* sur .........your either a new booty or some out of touch fool cuz I know most your homies had to have told you about what happened to your hood in 2003 when your varrio got greenlit, a gang of soldados from 18 Pcd up cuz they were getting mopped up , a few stayed solid but most went leva and theirs gangs of them fools in PC yards all over SOCAL. Any idea your varrio had about splitting away from the SOuth was put to rest in 2003. Your homeys caught the blues, gave in and started getting in line , dont play that F**K sur on the net shit cuz your homies would never dare say so in the county/pen........your big mouth would get checked quick , alot downer fools then youd think couldnt hang with the LIGHT . Mobs of your homies locked in and over shit like what you saying. Your little ideas of 18 going on their on were squashed way back and now you just another gang ,big and deep but you still abide by all gang laws for all SIDERS in LOS. DOnt get it twisted LOKO. Just cuz you got numbers dont mean you dont pay dues or your gonna do your own thing -ALL 18 street clicks are SURENOS. At least when they get locked up and if a Vato from EFE13 running things your gonna PAY ATTENTION , no matter if that vato is an enemiga or not LOKO. So you got alot to learn and if you ever said F**K Sur in LOS CONDADOS , youd be THRU WITH $$$.

[youngspade]

your #%@&$% stupid mayugastank,yea very few homies in the states are illegals and even the 1s who are u cant even tell because they lived in the states since they were 2 or 3 dipshit,raised around homies from the hood and taught to bang the best,and wtf u talken bout bell gardens ss18st tds are deep and in cudhay too,we control more shit than mudhay 13 does dumbass,quit talken shit u aint from a barrio anyways,if surenos so down how come they cudnt take out maravillas,opal st,even us,we had a green light on us and surenos still didnt do shit,if were so lame how come la eme came to us to join them so that ms wouldnt get out of line,they told us no more blacks we still got black 18s and new 1s to,dee from tiny malditos black,dee from dimented minded gangsters black,big gus 54th tls black,smokey smiley drive gangsters,so quit talken all this shit bout my hood leva,and ur stupid as fu-- we stand on our own,we aint a sureno hood leva,only ss18strs say they surenos because they are the rest dont rep that shit because we aint,and nah u probably be watchin those documentaries bout mierdas and how they say 18 has any1 in,to join us pendejo u gotta prove ur down for the barrio,shit the homie shyboy from ss18st kws been in mexico since june and hes waitin to get an ok from the homie so that he cud start up a clicka in michoacan and hes makin the vatos show theyre down for the hood and ready to do or die for the one eight


we got the least respect,look at culver city,their barrio filled with cops patrollin 24/7,not because theyre crazy but just to catch vatos from hoods,look at barrio mojados,40 ounce,the brats,what hood is makin noise,none of them,only hoods who always been makin noise is 18st,florencia use to in the 90s but now they try to get all buddy buddy with other sureno hoods that use to be their enemies,ask for a vato named lil homie from florencia neiborhood clicka,that vato tryed kissen the ass of vatos from big hazard who said straight up fu-- his hood,dis vato aint a youngster either hes 23,the only sureno hood i respect is es playboys because those vatos are actually puttin in work and are how florencia use to be,either ur from our hood or we blast you,u ever see us click up with another barrio to handle beef with another hood like a majority of sureno hoods have,no,because we stand alone,

MAN your a fool. Your hood aint got an ounce of respect dont try to sound like the 18 street is in county claiming they aint surenos. YOu talking about MMV, fool them vatos all checked in they dont hit a yard , they lock it up! The mongols motorcycle club -----tried to go against SUR and got checked in --anyone who goes against gets violated, vatos get put to the test hard when they catch a verde, your homies are notoriously known as being LEVAS, most your homies are MOJOs, and I didnt see it on a video I saw it first hand --alot of your homies are suckers, your pumping up a varrio that all SURENOS know is a straight LEVA click, rejects vatos that couldnt get put on any other set. I talked to your homey "BEAVER" a well known for from CUDAHY with the 18 on his cheek and even he admitted that your varrio was putting 2 many MOJADOS on , alot of your homies from COLUMBIAS, are straight border brothers, I knew your homie KIROS and CHINO both who got --got in 98 from the CYCLS click. Their is riders in your hood I said that , but dont try to act like the 18 is on a take no prisoners roll. You vatos tow the line ----You got quite a few homies from the MM and they definetly would check your entire set if you guys tried going your own way. In every pinta your homies run with SUR and most them get the SUR on them,you guys aint no renegades liek you try and say. Check out what happened to MONGOLS, LENNOX 13, MMV, OPAL, and any varrio that gets a verde --they get it bad ..............dont act like its an idle threat because theirs is many a fool willing to let an 18streeter have it when you guys get the light. I grew up in ELA and stayed in LB, and those places may have some funkie ass hood 18street but not no deep sets. Your varrio dont get checked by sets from outside LA , but every varrio in LA , hundreds of them are willing to put it down on you fools for whatever reason. I aint lying. A homey of yours that worked at my shop , and I were talking about the VERDE you guys caught and I asked him whether you fools were 18 and it came back to that mean nasty ass verde you guys had that put alot of your homeys to the test , just ask your OGS about hwo many of your varrio locked it up after getting put on the hard candy lista. They had to pay big dollar$$$ to get off that and your homies who were juiced in were doing what they could for your hood. You dont got a clue loko! and chicano who wasnt from a varrio was required to run with the PAISAs I got alot of love in ELA from WF and vatos from TOONERVILLEs , my familia, brothers ,father and primos go back deep in thsoe sets so when I got my case , I was a tagger and rode with the ELA ramfla instead of the PAISA car. I stayed out the mix because you dont wanna be running your mouth if you aint legit in a varrio , but on the real I was there when your homies were getting served and bad as you are , what the hell you gonna do when you got some 20 dudes ready to get your ass, you know the beat down you catch on a green is 3 times and sometimes fools wouldnt be able to handle the 2nd round so it was a test to personality on to who got to stay around. ESPECIALLY for your hood because the verde was more then a roll up. I knew alot of fools from around the way because I was a criminal , who liked to get off on robberies and did my stretch in juvenile many of the fools from 18street that I saw getting manhandled were fools I knew since the HALLS and NORWALK, dont get it twisted , no matter how bad you pump your varrio up you guys go with the program.

I know alot about Lennox, when did this happen? I know SONNY Boi with the tear drops on his face. But i never knew they got the G-Light! Thats some good history, you have some more information on that~!

[MENACE18]

ese ur trippen,we dont give a fu-- bout sur homie,18 is 18,we ride alone aint no get a long gangs

where you getting that from ?? where do you ride alone? the pen? county ? were ? besides the juvenile? aint no where 18 is not riding with surenos........you got quite a few members that are hooked up big time with SUR politics , and they definetly arent talking about F* sur .........your either a new booty or some out of touch fool because I know most your homies had to have told you about what happened to your hood in 2003 when your varrio got greenlit, a gang of soldados from 18 Pcd up because they were getting mopped up , a few stayed solid but most went leva and theirs gangs of them fools in PC yards all over SOCAL. Any idea your varrio had about splitting away from the SOuth was put to rest in 2003. Your homeys caught the blues, gave in and started getting in line , dont play that F**K sur on the net shit because your homies would never dare say so in the county/pen........your big mouth would get checked quick , alot downer fools then youd think couldnt hang with the LIGHT . Mobs of your homies locked in and over shit like what you saying. Your little ideas of 18 going on their on were squashed way back and now you just another gang ,big and deep but you still abide by all gang laws for all SIDERS in LOS. DOnt get it twisted LOKO. Just because you got numbers dont mean you dont pay dues or your gonna do your own thing -ALL 18 street clicks are SURENOS. At least when they get locked up and if a Vato from EFE13 running things your gonna PAY ATTENTION , no matter if that vato is an enemiga or not LOKO. So you got alot to learn and if you ever said F**K Sur in LOS CONDADOS , youd be THRU WITH $$$.

we got homies that are down with sur but some homies dont give a fuck bout it and dont be backin up any surenos except 18strs,and nah to us when we hit the pen we aint surenos still,we didnt wait for la eme to say we were a varrio and all that and give us a 13,we started off not bein a sureno hood and thats how the commandments say,if some homies aint following that they may be respected by sureno hoods but by homies they wont get respect cuz theyre representing sumthing the ogs never cared bout and we were never a part of,and ive heard of us gettin greenlighted but that was in the 90s cuz we had blacks in our varrio,i dont know were ur gettin ur shit from but i got boys who in the pen and they just roll with homies from 18,theyre some varrios that were cool with like pico nuevo,quiet village,whittier 13,silverlake,evergreen,but nah ive never heard of any homies bein lil bitches in the pen to la eme



and watchu mean we aint got no ounce of respect,tell me this since u act like la eme is god,if theyre so powerful and all that shit how come they cudnt taken out opal st,maravillas,all them nortenos in state,all the bulldogs,how come they cant unite all the sureno hoods,if they control them theyre shudnt be a problem,theyre still gonna be makin money and they gonna be gettin more if the sureno hoods started focusing on other types of gangs,and they took out a biker gang thats still out there and still has vatos from varrios ridin for them,theyre maybe a few hundred,lets see la eme try taken a shot at hells angeles,the ab,they wont

and nah ogs wouldnt let a vato from another varrio give us orders,no matter what la eme says u gotta let the homies earn theyre shit,look at it this way,18strs are leaders in la eme and other high ranking members,ms who claims sur 13 and all that shit and say sureno,dont have any1 part of la eme,why cuz they havent earned it,any hood with a member whos a high ranking eme or has more members part of la eme get respected more cuz thats proves theyre down,avenues are down but alot gettin locked up,florencia use to be all bout theyre barrio,they talk that nigga killa shit on the net but they surrounded by all these black hoods and dont say shit,big hazard had alot of respect