AN APOLOGY TO BLACKS

[perongregory]

simon brother, and I implore Latinos to do the same. you are very right there are many systemic reasons why blacks and Latinos are mainly in ghettos, varrios, and prisons. If you go to any 4 year college and take a sociology class you'll learn some of the reasons, and then watch as the white kids get nervous and say well it wasn't me and my family. Blacks and Latinos are to be the workers for this beast... fuck that, get hip to the BS and shake it off.

[mayugastank]

Good post, but it's that blacks have realized we have to call it when we sense it are affected by it, or else we would totally be stepped on. I'm not saying some blacks misuse it, but it is there. I forget the name of the black leader who professed that blacks ignore racism and just try to elevate themselves in society -I think it was a Benjamin something- it didn't work.

You know , manly its older blacks who have that shared racial history with whites who are more likely to view things through colored lenses. Rosy colored glasses work so long as they stay rosy! being said after the first few times things start happening and it doesnt make sense as to why you got fired,laid off, talked down to,protested against, made laws to deport you.....it is in your best interest to see the problem for what it is. Blacks are clearly 100% more able to get to the root cause then my people are.It takes protests, murders, killings, life sentences, racial profiling, getting sent to the worst jobs-on union contracts, on and on and on and still you will get latinos who have no clue! it irritates me. Converstaions with older blacks have really opened my eyes to the discrimination, and I sat their dumbfounded that I hadnt seen the racism before?!! Like I had been told that the Race problem in America was a black/white issue so much I actually believed it! I dont know if Im grateful to having my eyes opened or would have rather been bling because , now with those rose colored glasses removed -shit looks alot dingier.I just couldnt imagine what blacks have had to go thru and go thru now. Dont let the slight of hand fool you ,-when whites try to eliminate the racial discussion as a counter argument to valid concerns they are trying to discriminate against you and have you not be able to do anything about it.

[perongregory]

The thing is I feel most Latinos would rather approach the issue of racism and assimilation the way the ethnic whites did -most notably the Irish and Italian. I'm not sure how that would work out. Either you can totally succumb to acculturation and be a white soul with brown features how some Asian populations in America have turned out, or you can mix enough with whites, but I don't think that is going to work. I don't know.

[MENACE18]

racism does exist but ive seen way too many blacks use the race card,1 black kid i went to school with got a teacher fired because she gave him an extra worksheet because he had low math grades and he bitched sayin it was cuz he was black,there was 10 other black kids in class,he dropped out of school in 8th grade and got killed in a drive by by bloods(he was a crip)and ive seen blacks be racist against every race themselves,they dont say nothing about that,ive seen a black church in florida say they didnt want a mosque built in their community because they didnt want terrorist in their area,a black church discriminating against people just because of their religion,and some of the muslims were african americans who turned to islam,white people wanted to start a show called WET, white entertainment but they werent allowed too because blacks were saying that it was racist when they got BET,when al sharpton was talken bout american idol being racist,.how many african americans have won it,alot,how many blacks got careers cuz of american idol,alot,in africa,you got africans selling kids from africa as slaves,every country has some type of slaves,asian countries do that,they have sweat shops,latin america countries do it,european,middle eastern countries do it,every group of people have felt discrimination when they came to america,chineses,japanese,koreans,mexicans,italians,irish,germans,russian,every one not just blacks,and to me i kind of find it sad cuz pretty much every1 from other races can trace their ancestors but blacks some cant because they were never told,some just dont know,theres alot of countries and tribes in africa,alot of people speak about black power and all that,they should try to go and find out what tribe,country they from

[perongregory]

Blacks didn't come to this country we were brought here, big difference. native americans didn't come to this country either and guess what we're the two groups doing the worse. Blacks the only group to go through slavery here, natives the only group to have go through genocide here...everyone else came for oppurtunity, they decided to come here.

Whites don't need WET, every channel is WET lol. People like to talk shit on BET but don't know the history...BET was started because MTV and VH1 didn't play any black artist so blacks start there own shit and they're racist...give me a break.

[Coup]

Yeah I know where you mean. Ive also been noticing more For Sale signs there.

You probably already know about the Chicago kid right. Thats my dislike. Since this is America,the media will try to portray all blacks as seen on tv.

Its not skin color or attitude. Its ignorance.

You know all that CRAP some blacks give that they are still being oppressed this and that? That ship has sailed. They can not just sit and wait for ANYONE to hand them anything. Dont get me wrong there is STILL racism but not as exaggerated as some pople put it.
This has nothing to do with the J's anyway. Im talking about blacks in LA in general.

Todays black youth is more concerned on sidekicks,skinny jeans,and other useless junk that will not excel them in life. Im talking about high schoolers not elementary.

LOL...yeah that happens in a recession....but Baldwin Hills, View Park, Ladera Heights, etc. have been through it before. Some are just cashing out others are going through it.

I agree, I dislike ignorance as well. I also dislike delusional people who choose see things only the way they want to.

Again, I agree. Excuses are just an out for your own lack of knowledge or ability. But again, you are young and may not have seen enough to know that there are many issues in Amerikkka that are directly a result of racism. Mayuga and Peron pretty much hit on that.

It must be fun to generalize every Black person in the city. If I did that, I would consider every latino a Mexican and a immigrant paisa at that

Damn...there is a small bit of truth to that....if you are between the ages of 13-17. This is obviously your age group. Enough said! Live a good life kid, and do your best to learn about others and more importantly yourself.

[MENACE18]

Blacks didn't come to this country we were brought here, big difference. native americans didn't come to this country either and guess what we're the two groups doing the worse. Blacks the only group to go through slavery here, natives the only group to have go through genocide here...everyone else came for oppurtunity, they decided to come here.

Whites don't need WET, every channel is WET lol. People like to talk shit on BET but don't know the history...BET was started because MTV and VH1 didn't play any black artist so blacks start there own shit and they're racist...give me a break.

true but pretty much every native american gets money from casinos cuz theyre tribes own them

[youayntfresh]

Blacks didn't come to this country we were brought here, big difference. native americans didn't come to this country either and guess what we're the two groups doing the worse. Blacks the only group to go through slavery here, natives the only group to have go through genocide here...everyone else came for oppurtunity, they decided to come here.

Whites don't need WET, every channel is WET lol. People like to talk shit on BET but don't know the history...BET was started because MTV and VH1 didn't play any black artist so blacks start there own shit and they're racist...give me a break.

BEt is not racist.

But that one time Jamie Foxx had to somehow make us believe Michael Jackson is black and Michael was "part of them" and they shared him with "us".lol

[youayntfresh]

racism does exist but ive seen way too many blacks use the race card,1 black kid i went to school with got a teacher fired because she gave him an extra worksheet because he had low math grades and he bitched sayin it was because he was black,there was 10 other black kids in class,he dropped out of school in 8th grade and got killed in a drive by by bloods(he was a crip)and ive seen blacks be racist against every race themselves,they dont say nothing about that,ive seen a black church in florida say they didnt want a mosque built in their community because they didnt want terrorist in their area,a black church discriminating against people just because of their religion,and some of the muslims were african americans who turned to islam,white people wanted to start a show called WET, white entertainment but they werent allowed too because blacks were saying that it was racist when they got BET,when al sharpton was talken bout american idol being racist,.how many african americans have won it,alot,how many blacks got careers because of american idol,alot,in africa,you got africans selling kids from africa as slaves,every country has some type of slaves,asian countries do that,they have sweat shops,latin america countries do it,european,middle eastern countries do it,every group of people have felt discrimination when they came to america,chineses,japanese,koreans,mexicans,italians,irish,germans,russian,every one not just blacks,and to me i kind of find it sad because pretty much every1 from other races can trace their ancestors but blacks some cant because they were never told,some just dont know,theres alot of countries and tribes in africa,alot of people speak about black power and all that,they should try to go and find out what tribe,country they from

Your right on the target.

[mayugastank]

Blacks didn't come to this country we were brought here, big difference. native americans didn't come to this country either and guess what we're the two groups doing the worse. Blacks the only group to go through slavery here, natives the only group to have go through genocide here...everyone else came for oppurtunity, they decided to come here.

Whites don't need WET, every channel is WET lol. People like to talk shit on BET but don't know the history...BET was started because MTV and VH1 didn't play any black artist so blacks start there own shit and they're racist...give me a break.

true but pretty much every native american gets money from casinos because theyre tribes own them

They didnt want us in their schools ,so we built our own colleges, they didnt want us in their churches so we built our own places of worship, they didnt want us in their pools ,so we built our own, they didnt want us on their TV so we created our own channels. That story is repeated over and over again. Whites irregardless of the role they play are inherently built to be racist as is every group on the norm--pyschology has shown that the first identifier we make of strangers is their race. I touched on this earlier. Now imagine, being just 7-8 % of the population and having absolutely no hispanics and asians in this country in any numbers. That was the state of America up until 1970. Blacks were basically the ONLY minority in this country. Hispanics (before migration) were about 2-3% of the population and outside the SOUTHWEST were completely non-existant. This is not that long ago.Also consider the amount of laws directed solely at blacks--JIm Crow, Miscongenation laws, Lynching Laws, Housing Laws, Education Laws, Equal Oppurtunity in Workplaces, all these laws happened in the last 40-50 years. So basically LEGALLY , racism has been abolished completely about 25 years ago, I am older then that! Do you think some magic law is going to change peoples attitudes? Places like the South were the majority of blacks live are unfazed by changing norms in the Big City. You do know that blacks numbers in California are low compared to their homebases of the deep south?? Almost all teh problems they had and the killings ,lynchings, and riots were held in Bigtime racist citys. Northern and Western Blacks didnt have it as Bad as the blacks in the south --the klan never had a presence in these parts.Their was a time in history were entire black cities were annihilated. We are seeing a mass changing of attitudes against immigration. People again and again in survey after survey are saying that immigration is their biggest concern. Yet for whatever its worth , latinos STILL dont get that those laws are directed at us! Blacks for all their bitching about racism , have an idea about whats REALLY on peoples minds, that arent as naivete as we are.The reason that many latinos think that blacks scream racism is because we are ignoring or trying to pretend the situation isnt as racist as what blacks know it to be. They have a 400 year history dealing with it. For all its worth our racial history with whites isnt as long, disastrous and brutal as NAtive Americans and blacks have had with the white man. I believe our (latinos) social issue is complete colonization. We are left to live in citys were whites have abandoned the landscape to us, after our numbers are high enough to make them uncomfortable. This was working just fine for them till we started to show up in every little and big city across the united states. Taking high paying blue collar jobs from regular working folk has left Whites with a real bad taste for us. Somehow we still think its ALL GOOD. There isnt enough time lapsing between recent mexican immigrants and their children to let natural assimilation happen. Although the numbers of interracial children between whites and latinos is staggering(the highest interracial mixing) it doesnt eliminate the exodus of immigrants taking those mixed childrens places. I see us and whites getting farther and farther apart . ESPECIALLY between , foreign born mexicans and whites. Chicanos can more easily adapt to white people.

[mayugastank]

Blacks didn't come to this country we were brought here, big difference. native americans didn't come to this country either and guess what we're the two groups doing the worse. Blacks the only group to go through slavery here, natives the only group to have go through genocide here...everyone else came for oppurtunity, they decided to come here.

Whites don't need WET, every channel is WET lol. People like to talk shit on BET but don't know the history...BET was started because MTV and VH1 didn't play any black artist so blacks start there own shit and they're racist...give me a break.

Speaking on NAtive Americans, they dont have the numbers to make a scene like blacks do ,when it comes to dealing with racism but believe me they know ! Their rates of alcoholism and interbreeding and incest are out of touch with any group in this country. Their are reservations in the Dakotas with no running water TODAY! Its easy to tune their complaing out when only a tiny percent actually even exist anymore and they show no cohessiveness in making demands. Blacks although still only about 14% of the population have a presence from one end of the continent to the other,midwest,south,north and west, east coast. I guess hispanics will never know the gratitude we should owe to the hundreds of preachers and revolutionarys and simple men the black community produced that were cut down in their prime. Its the saying " its not the mountain ahead of you , but the pebble in your shoe that has kept many hispanics oblivious to Americas deep racial history. Blacks have that longer, more intense .lethal history with whites . We dont. So thats why we are in general, immune to seeing the racial hatred and fear being directed at us. I believe blacks see whats going on with us , more then we ourselves can. We still have those rosy glasses on ,but eventually they will have to come off.

[~J~]

There are many Mexicans/Chicanos that see it and some aren't looking the other way. this immigration issue most White folks have directed at Raza really brings to light what they (really) think about us, some of it is justified but much of it is not.

If I can honest for a second, I think the problem some Mexicans/Chicanos got with (American) Blacks is that of demeanor and not really skin color so much, because Africans and Latin Blacks aren't the issue.

[pistolslanga]

most my mexican patna's who don't really hang with black people say it aint cuz of skin color cuz they black or somethin, they always talkin about how its their attitude, how their loud all the time and shyt, im "black" myself (brown skinned, could pass as a mexican) but i really dont giva fukk what people do, i do me, and to be honest, i can see what their trying to say.. my moms wasnt born here, my pops is eritrean, so im african, born in america, and i can see what they mean, because AFRICANS who come here from africa, pretty much hate and make fun of AFRICAN-AMERICANS, always calling them losers, monkeys, and lazy asses and shyt... its not skin color, i think its more of just attitude....

one my norte patnas who i used to chill with was always tellin me i dont act like "them" n shyt, i asked him what he meant, he said being loud for no reason and acting like your better then everyone... i can dig that...so i think its more of just attitudes rather then "his skin color is darker, so hes not human", cuz i know a lot of mexicans that are dark as fuck... so saying it stems from skin color doesnt make sense.. think its more of the attitude...

[perongregory]

It's a lil bit of both, sen dog said he encountered racism from chicanos when him and mellow man ace touched down in LA before establishing themselves as Latino and adopting chicano culture. I know what you saying pistol cuz i'm half african too, but if you dont like how they are then dont take on any of their ways listen to their music none of that shit, so it's hypocritical to talk shit then take so much of the stuff you like from blacks, and benefit from civil rights and so on blacks have fought for, for everyone. Even Africans or other blacks saying that BS I check them because all these minorities talkin shit about AA (the only group that went through major bs in America, except the natives, and the only group to fight for everyones rights) when you look at their countries and how they are portrayed, you'll see war, savagery, gangs, drugs, and all that BS 1000 times worse then any AA ghetto in America.

[pistolslanga]

It's a lil bit of both, sen dog said he encountered racism from chicanos when him and mellow man ace touched down in LA before establishing themselves as Latino and adopting chicano culture. I know what you saying pistol because i'm half african too, but if you dont like how they are then dont take on any of their ways listen to their music none of that shit, so it's hypocritical to talk shit then take so much of the stuff you like from blacks, and benefit from civil rights and so on blacks have fought for, for everyone. Even Africans or other blacks saying that BS I check them because all these minorities talkin shit about AA (the only group that went through major bs in America, except the natives, and the only group to fight for everyones rights) when you look at their countries and how they are portrayed, you'll see war, savagery, gangs, drugs, and all that BS 1000 times worse then any AA ghetto in America.

yeah definitely, its a real complicated problem lol, them ghettos in africa is crazier, choppin off peoples hands and shyt.. this whole issue is a trip, its a lot of shyt mixed with ignorance...

[perongregory]

I mean you half eritrean dealing with hating ass ethiopians, theres them crazy ass somalis, I'm half Liberian my country had some of the wildest craziest shit pop off there, so when fam be on that BS I tellem to check theyselves. hey but what you identify with more?

[pistolslanga]

I mean you half eritrean dealing with hating ass ethiopians, theres them crazy ass somalis, I'm half Liberian my country had some of the wildest craziest shit pop off there, so when fam be on that BS I tellem to check theyselves. hey but what you identify with more?

im half eritrean and half egyptian *moms*, i identify with eritreans more though, breded in the 60s

[perongregory]

My bad thought you was half eri half AA, I got a eri homegirl cool folks.You half black egyptian or half arab egyptian if you don't mind me asking. But that's what's up, 60's huh, so I know you fuckin with Nip then.

[pistolslanga]

My bad thought you was half eri half AA, I got a eri homegirl cool folks.You half black egyptian or half arab egyptian if you don't mind me asking. But that's what's up, 60's huh, so I know you fuckin with Nip then.

arab egyptian, my moms is real fair colored

i seen nip a few times up at slauson swapmeet, WAY back in the day, sellin slausonboy vol 1, talked to him a few times, real smart down to earth dude, hes eritrean/AA

[perongregory]

yeah, I know he half eritrean and of course from 60's that's why I was saying.

[pistolslanga]

yeah, I know he half eritrean and of course from 60's that's why I was saying.

yup yup where u from?

[perongregory]

moms liberian pops AA, from born and bred in enemy hood, Hoova.

[jdm894g]

Its funny to hear Black immigrants diss native black maericans or our culture, but yet reap the benefits of it. In the eys of the man you are still black. Not all Blacks are the same. Im soory for those that have encounteres those that make us look bad. But i have encountered people of all races that i could make generilizations about. Not all of us black people cry racism or use racism as a reason to why certain situations are the way they are. folks are checked in my circle for that kind of talk. But then again, most of my circle of friends have college degrees. I still live in the hood and shop in the hood, but i know being self employed that my fate is in my hands. I also teach in the hood as well. I tell the kids im a local product and that you can be what ever you want to be regardless of your current situation.

its good and bad in all races. i do care who is loud, feels they are the best race or who inbreeds....WE ALL HUMAN!!!!!!

[mayugastank]

most my mexican patna's who don't really hang with black people say it aint because of skin color because they black or somethin, they always talkin about how its their attitude, how their loud all the time and shyt, im "black" myself (brown skinned, could pass as a mexican) but i really dont giva #%@& what people do, i do me, and to be honest, i can see what their trying to say.. my moms wasnt born here, my pops is eritrean, so im african, born in america, and i can see what they mean, because AFRICANS who come here from africa, pretty much hate and make fun of AFRICAN-AMERICANS, always calling them losers, monkeys, and lazy asses and shyt... its not skin color, i think its more of just attitude....

one my norte patnas who i used to chill with was always tellin me i dont act like "them" n shyt, i asked him what he meant, he said being loud for no reason and acting like your better then everyone... i can dig that...so i think its more of just attitudes rather then "his skin color is darker, so hes not human", because i know a lot of mexicans that are dark as fu--... so saying it stems from skin color doesnt make sense.. think its more of the attitude...

The skin color doesnt have to do with it --assuredly. Many blacks are immediately on the defensive when it comes to the charging racial discrimination. However, they have EVERY little bit of justification in doing so -I can tell you my personal experiences with what I have seen but the forum would implode. Now when you are wide eyed to the racism -its a nasty lil view your seeing, it isnt nice at all. Our culture doesnt have that recent racial animosity with whites that blacks do. So we arent as aware as they are. After a few conversations on the topic and keeping your eyes peeled to the root causes of problems its real easy to see the covert racism. It actually starts to happen more openly as people start to figure your not aware.Forget the excuses. Build yourselves up. Stop crying Racism. ALL these statements mean one thing to white people............accept how we treat you and dont complain about it!!

[mayugastank]

Its funny to hear Black immigrants diss native black maericans or our culture, but yet reap the benefits of it. In the eys of the man you are still black. Not all Blacks are the same. Im soory for those that have encounteres those that make us look bad. But i have encountered people of all races that i could make generilizations about. Not all of us black people cry racism or use racism as a reason to why certain situations are the way they are. folks are checked in my circle for that kind of talk. But then again, most of my circle of friends have college degrees. I still live in the hood and shop in the hood, but i know being self employed that my fate is in my hands. I also teach in the hood as well. I tell the kids im a local product and that you can be what ever you want to be regardless of your current situation.

its good and bad in all races. i do care who is loud, feels they are the best race or who inbreeds....WE ALL HUMAN!!!!!!

....WE ALL HUMAN!!!!!![/quote]
you know this attitude was not accepted widely till just recently. Think about all the mass murders of the 20th century due to race..........the armenians, jews,gypsys, tsars in Russia. Japenese mass murder of chinese. The African campaign. The murder of Mexicos indegenious people. On and On and On. We all human --sounds so simplistic , but 100s of millions have died in this century , due to people believing the opposite. The Germans characterized the Jews as lice, vermen, bugs, devils.....all so it would be easier to kill them. Cause if you actually consider your enemy HUMAN it gets alot harder to kill them.

[youngspade]

Its funny to hear Black immigrants diss native black maericans or our culture, but yet reap the benefits of it. In the eys of the man you are still black. Not all Blacks are the same. Im soory for those that have encounteres those that make us look bad. But i have encountered people of all races that i could make generilizations about. Not all of us black people cry racism or use racism as a reason to why certain situations are the way they are. folks are checked in my circle for that kind of talk. But then again, most of my circle of friends have college degrees. I still live in the hood and shop in the hood, but i know being self employed that my fate is in my hands. I also teach in the hood as well. I tell the kids im a local product and that you can be what ever you want to be regardless of your current situation.

its good and bad in all races. i do care who is loud, feels they are the best race or who inbreeds....WE ALL HUMAN!!!!!!

....WE ALL HUMAN!!!!!!

you know this attitude was not accepted widely till just recently. Think about all the mass murders of the 20th century due to race..........the armenians, jews,gypsys, tsars in Russia. Japenese mass murder of chinese. The African campaign. The murder of Mexicos indegenious people. On and On and On. We all human --sounds so simplistic , but 100s of millions have died in this century , due to people believing the opposite. The Germans characterized the Jews as lice, vermen, bugs, devils.....all so it would be easier to kill them. Cause if you actually consider your enemy HUMAN it gets alot harder to kill them.[/quote]


I respect you more in this topic than any other you've ever posted in. Good Shit, unbaised talk!

[Tre]

... and to me i kind of find it sad because pretty much every1 from other races can trace their ancestors but blacks some cant because they were never told,some just dont know,theres alot of countries and tribes in africa,alot of people speak about black power and all that,they should try to go and find out what tribe,country they from

hmmmm… like Africans the Aztecs were made up of many different tribes. I think Chicano/Mexicans claiming Aztec ancestry should try to go and find out exactly which Aztec tribe they from?

[MENACE18]

i know more chicanos know what ppl they from than blacks,look at la eme,they even use languages the aztec tribes use

[youngspade]

i know more chicanos know what ppl they from than blacks,look at la eme,they even use languages the aztec tribes use

Somewhat true, because each African-American either have Indian or White because of slaverly, majority anyway like our ancestors more than now!

My tribes are Cherrokee and Chataka!

[MENACE18]

i rememeber a girl i dated was a navajo and at this tribal ceremony they were passin around the pipe and i didnt take it but she told me to cuz they would have gotten offended,i took a hit and it was some bomb ass weed,i thought they just smoked tobacco but she said sometimes they smoked weed

[discodog]

This is an interesting discussion, but a couple points need to be corrected and illuminated:

1. Native americans (and meso-americans) experienced not just genocide but also SLAVERY. They weren't good slaves because they died (of disease usually) too easily, and it was too easy for them to run off since they knew the terrain and had contacts nearby.

2. Afro-americans experience not just slavery but HOLOCAUST in the numbers that died in that long-ass boat trip across the ocean, plus those who were WORKED TO DEATH. Massa didn't take good care of his property when he could just replace it.

3. The first that most people ever heard of black/brown tensions (stupid) was in the media. I'm in ny and I can tell you that before media reports, mexicans (a growing group here) seemed reasonably cool with blacks. I remember personally being targeted by a few mexican chicks, and I don't mean drive bys.... Now, blacks/mex/carrionoles (hispanics) don't mix as much, but they all mix with whites, in our "post-race" society. ....

Media is insidious, unchecked, and growing more sophisticated and subtle by the day, especially now in the internet age. I'm no bible thumper, but when I read that beast made an image to speak and caused all the lil monkeys to worship his image, yeah, I can see how that shit could happen... Especially among "grateful" people like immigrants, fashion-forward people like women, insecure white-wannabees like nonwhite/nonblack people, and dumb motherfuckers who drool and watch tv uncritically. They're selling you a lot more than soap and toilet paper... but anyway I'm babbling... and oh yeas as long as I'm posting let me represent my clique: spongebob posse por vida! don't fuck with the squares

[discodog]

thats carribeanoles