Chicanos Tattoos on Blacks.

[perongregory]

Thank u silencioso that's why I don't take mayuga all that seriously on these issues cuz he lacks knowledge when it cmes to other cultures.

[Tre]

Personally, I don’t see a major difference between tattooing in the past and what Mayuga calls modern tattooing? All tattooing is simply using needles, knives or whatever to puncture the skin. Black men have been doing this since our early migrations and forced expulsion ‘Out Of Africa.’ Since we were all ‘black’ tattooing was our way of distinguishing ourselves from African tribes from other parts of the region.


http://www.larskrutak.com/articles/Makonde/index.html

In fact the English-born American scientist Thomas Ewbank and his colleagues talk about the Africans they encountered in 1856, and describe in detail watching African men lying on the east coast of South Africa and watching this ritual of minute incisions being made through the skin and the wound being pulled up and tied by a thread. Back then it was considered proof of our barbaric origin! Chicanos did not exist then, so how are blacks stealing from Chicano’s?? Oh yea, blacks are using English lettering and somehow that’s a Chicano invention?? Old English lettering was in use way before cholos became a factor??

[Sentenza]

Personally, I don’t see a major difference between tattooing in the past and what Mayuga calls modern tattooing? All tattooing is simply using needles, knives or whatever to puncture the skin. Black men have been doing this since our early migrations and forced expulsion ‘Out Of Africa.’ Since we were all ‘black’ tattooing was our way of distinguishing ourselves from African tribes from other parts of the region.


http://www.larskrutak.com/articles/Makonde/index.html

In fact the English-born American scientist Thomas Ewbank and his colleagues talk about the Africans they encountered in 1856, and describe in detail watching African men lying on the east coast of South Africa and watching this ritual of minute incisions being made through the skin and the wound being pulled up and tied by a thread. Back then it was considered proof of our barbaric origin! Chicanos did not exist then, so how are blacks stealing from Chicano’s?? Oh yea, blacks are using English lettering and somehow that’s a Chicano invention?? Old English lettering was in use way before cholos became a factor??

True:

Old English (Englisc, Anglisc, Ænglisc) or Anglo-Saxon[1] is an early form of the English language that was spoken and written in parts of what are now England and south-eastern Scotland between at least the mid-5th century and the mid-12th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English

The style of writing comes from that.

Personally, I don’t see a major difference between tattooing in the past and what Mayuga calls modern tattooing? All tattooing is simply using needles, knives or whatever to puncture the skin. Black men have been doing this since our early migrations and forced expulsion ‘Out Of Africa.’ Since we were all ‘black’ tattooing was our way of distinguishing ourselves from African tribes from other parts of the region.


http://www.larskrutak.com/articles/Makonde/index.html

Im pretty sure in africa its even older then the times of "forced expulsions from Africa". I know for a fact that the ancient Romans already did it 2000 years ago. Their soldiers had "SPQR" tatted on their arm, which meant "Senatus populusque romanum/ the Senate and the people of Rome", meaning the soldiers were property of the state.
A little like this:



And the Maoris have been doing it forever too. The word Tattoo is taken from the Tahitian language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattoo

[Sentenza]

Woops i should have read the thread before posting.

[mayugastank]

WHAT A FREAKING JOKE! who gives a dam about the above africans ? didnt you guys read the thread? modern style tattoing-the patterns -designs-writing-ghost fading-the pictures of the HELLS ANGELS are completely chicano themed tattoos from the HELLS ANGELS across the back to the writing style. Now TRE is mentioning Africans being pierced and having /?on their skin what a crock of twisted responses are these? Aztecs-Japs-ancient Incas ,Mauris, all had similiar design and squirrly lines. How did the conversation get spun around? I am talking on MODERN tattoing ,the designs -lettering -pieces-placement-and ghost faded-black and white -caligraphy across the neck -old E on the head --everything in its entirety that is being done TODAY!!! not a freaking 100 years ago or in the ancient egyptian times -AZTECS were getting tatted for a thousand years ...but I aint saying they invented tattoing you dumb spear chucking Africans and hick mexicans -doing tattoos with shark fins.Not to mention that less then 20 years ago people outside the VARRIO weren't tatted in the form of Mexican -American youth, the caligraphic chains across the neck that TOMMY LEE and every other white rocker had started in the hood'.The blast on the stomache. Check out GEEZY and LIL WAYNE who acknowledges ," he dress all los angelos"....as stated in his songs. Outside of SOCAL whom, and where did whiteboys get their biker clubs blasted across their shoulder blades? or blacks get thug life across their stomache in NEW YORK? totally a chicano tattoo, fuck changing the word around the placement and stylization is 100% chicano............HOW THE PHUG DO I POST A PICTURE!! I am getting pissed they are blocking my ability to defend my positions and are purposely letting these dumb spearchucking and fruit slanging ignorant get the last word

[youngspade]

WHAT A FREAKING JOKE! who gives a dam about the above africans ? didnt you guys read the thread? modern style tattoing-the patterns -designs-writing-ghost fading-the pictures of the HELLS ANGELS are completely chicano themed tattoos from the HELLS ANGELS across the back to the writing style. Now TRE is mentioning Africans being pierced and having /?on their skin what a crock of twisted responses are these? Aztecs-Japs-ancient Incas ,Mauris, all had similiar design and squirrly lines. How did the conversation get spun around? I am talking on MODERN tattoing ,the designs -lettering -pieces-placement-and ghost faded-black and white -caligraphy across the neck -old E on the head --everything in its entirety that is being done TODAY!!! not a freaking 100 years ago or in the ancient egyptian times -AZTECS were getting tatted for a thousand years ...but I aint saying they invented tattoing you dumb spear chucking Africans and hick mexicans -doing tattoos with shark fins.Not to mention that less then 20 years ago people outside the VARRIO weren't tatted in the form of Mexican -American youth, the caligraphic chains across the neck that TOMMY LEE and every other white rocker had started in the hood'.The blast on the stomache. Check out GEEZY and LIL WAYNE who acknowledges ," he dress all los angelos"....as stated in his songs. Outside of SOCAL whom, and where did whiteboys get their biker clubs blasted across their shoulder blades? or blacks get thug life across their stomache in NEW YORK? totally a chicano tattoo, fu-- changing the word around the placement and stylization is 100% chicano............HOW THE PHUG DO I POST A PICTURE!! I am getting pissed they are blocking my ability to defend my positions and are purposely letting these dumb spearchucking and fruit slanging ignorant get the last word

STFU

[19DAGO04]

[quote="mayugastank" I dont know your age -but tell me tattoing among people in America was popular even 15 years ago? I say HELL NO! [/quote]

You must have never went south of LBC into OC and Dago 15 years ago then.

Everyone was getting stamped in those areas back then.

[19DAGO04]

We point to biker gangs evolving in the midwest (outlawsMC) as I tried nowhere did I see any semblance of the full body shots sported by white bikers from California.

This is what I think of this whole thread now.

[mayugastank]

[quote="mayugastank" I dont know your age -but tell me tattoing among people in America was popular even 15 years ago? I say HELL NO!

You must have never went south of LBC into OC and Dago 15 years ago then.

Everyone was getting stamped in those areas back then.[/quote]
BS!!! I grew up in East Los ....and fools were tatted out here but outside of these spots WHITES were not tatted in that fashion -the shit didnt take off outside ELA till the late 90s outside of chicano gangsters. Out here we got history -ELA got gangsters that are 75+ years old in just about every family tree-fools tatted down. I remeber whites being shocked by the way 14 year old chicanos would get blasted on the face and do it reguarly. Whites werent tatted like that anywhere outside LA in any US city -only in close proximaty with chicanos did whites adopt the patterns that ELA started. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The hells angels you posted have 100% chicano tattoes. Tell me dago-the caligraophic chains across the neck, the charra, the city shots, the area codes, the dodgers symbols-the clowns and different style lettering, the blasts on the abdominals, the head shots, the side of the neck shots, the butterflie on the side of the neck, the back of the neck shot for men and women, the wrist shot for women, the stars for Nortenos, the smile now cry later tatt, the rose on the wrist, the lettering on the forearms and back arms, the blast across the shoulders, the teardrop, the underneath the bellybutton shot, the side of the ribs shot with either a woman or a hood tatt, the caligraphic scroll, the gangster shot behind the ear, the calendar representing the years you been down, the area shot,SGV_ELA_HARBOR AREA_DAGO, the chest plate story, ...............all these patterns and placements are 100% chicano in my book as I NEVER seen anyone with these placements and stylization outside of chicanos, it wasnt till years later that Samoans-CAmbodians, Whites and blacks began to take our patterns and change them up a bit. Look at TUPAC with the THUG LIFE tell me that isnt a big play on MI VIDA LOCA? and across the abdominals at that? so because he changed the words to a black saying that makes it a black tattoo? that changing the words and changing the style a bit by adding color or giving a woman an afro instead of a sombrero, thats what all races did. We set that shit off and made it popular cuz we took it mainstream-and then blacks started putting it on their videos! like always

[perongregory]

Lol...

[mayugastank]

sorry, I got the labels mixed up. You get the idea.

Silencioso, show me whites outside california, tatted across the shoulder blades like dude! phug that you cant! only in close proximaty with chicanos did whites-black-asians develop and begin to develop the patterns held by chicano youth. They werent getting KUKLUXKLAN across the blades like that, or the Latin Kings arent notorius for getting blasted like fools from 18 are! no black gang would get knocked upside the head like chicano gangsters do- and tattooing really took off from CAlifornia, the vast majority of tatts are plays on chicano style gang tatts. And thats the truth! that white boy with the HElls Angels on the blades? come on man that is a chicano tatt>...why werent whites tatted like that in the East coast and South, old ass white states?? why dont you post pictures outside of California and show me whites tatted like that in gangster fashion and with anything that resembles my peoples patterns.....

[MMRbkaRudog]

We point to biker gangs evolving in the midwest (outlawsMC) as I tried nowhere did I see any semblance of the full body shots sported by white bikers from California.

This is what I think of this whole thread now.

C/S

[mayugastank]

Okay so now -from Canada to the tip of Chile .....NO OTHER RACE OF PEOPLE -can lay claim to-being the originators of modern style tattooing-perongregory says that it was a minority thing ! BS! up until the 80s their werent any minoritys in numbers except for blacks/whites/latinos predominantly Puerto Ricans and Chicanos. Southeast Asians-CAmbodians-Koreans-etc etc ....didnt show up till the early 80s. Yet despite all these changes in demographics chicanos although vastly outnumbered maintained their uniqueness in -clothing-slang-bodyart. Tattoing en masse -outside of ELA didnt exist except for the squirrly lines of the maoris and warriors designs found in other cultures like burnt in dots,occassionally across the face. But modern style of tattoing seen throughout the world now?100% chicano! I am going as far as to say that the majority of what is being done TODAY is chicano themed. The stylization has got on throughout the globe and once again we got the brothers -putting OUR SHIT!! on TV! Freaking biting ass studio gangsters! Look at the white boys getting the blasts on the stomache,the caligraphy chains, the pinups, dropping a little color on it and pretending its a white thing. Look at the asian gangsters -getting our patterns on their heads and then claiming that " its original" What a freaking joke. We dont bite off you corny fuxstix like you bite off us.....why didnt you africans burn your tattoos on like your ancestors or get dots tattoed on you>? nah you had to come get the freshness from the original trendsetters like always -freaking busters! you guys look stupid ass fuck sporting chicano tattoos like some wankstas, white boys trying to get the chest plate and phuging up the class of it by adding star wars and color in our patterns. Stoopid goofy ass fools-what about the asians? couldnt cambodians stay true to their culture and get some jap writing or find their own placements instead of trying to twist our shit up? you dumb jigs....fishing in our pond for what the coolest shit is -then throwing it on BET and talking about dam that brotha is tatted down.....phonys

[mayugastank]

WHAT A FREAKING JOKE! who gives a dam about the above africans ? didnt you guys read the thread? modern style tattoing-the patterns -designs-writing-ghost fading-the pictures of the HELLS ANGELS are completely chicano themed tattoos from the HELLS ANGELS across the back to the writing style. Now TRE is mentioning Africans being pierced and having /?on their skin what a crock of twisted responses are these? Aztecs-Japs-ancient Incas ,Mauris, all had similiar design and squirrly lines. How did the conversation get spun around? I am talking on MODERN tattoing ,the designs -lettering -pieces-placement-and ghost faded-black and white -caligraphy across the neck -old E on the head --everything in its entirety that is being done TODAY!!! not a freaking 100 years ago or in the ancient egyptian times -AZTECS were getting tatted for a thousand years ...but I aint saying they invented tattoing you dumb spear chucking Africans and hick mexicans -doing tattoos with shark fins.Not to mention that less then 20 years ago people outside the VARRIO weren't tatted in the form of Mexican -American youth, the caligraphic chains across the neck that TOMMY LEE and every other white rocker had started in the hood'.The blast on the stomache. Check out GEEZY and LIL WAYNE who acknowledges ," he dress all los angelos"....as stated in his songs. Outside of SOCAL whom, and where did whiteboys get their biker clubs blasted across their shoulder blades? or blacks get thug life across their stomache in NEW YORK? totally a chicano tattoo, fu-- changing the word around the placement and stylization is 100% chicano............HOW THE PHUG DO I POST A PICTURE!! I am getting pissed they are blocking my ability to defend my positions and are purposely letting these dumb spearchucking and fruit slanging ignorant get the last word

STFU

DONT GET MAD MY NINJA THAT EVERRYTHING AMERICA THINKS IS COOL OF BLACKS STARTED WITH ELA CHICANOS!!why dont you stay the phug outta our business and stop biting everything we do and get your own your freaking wankstas

[perongregory]

Lmao and that's why no one listening to you, cuz you gotta get racist with it, and secondly you always on the niggas nutsack hatin on us the most. Whites is gettin paid off of tabtooing not blacks just because some rappers are tatted down dont mean blacks said you stole from us, tell me when you heard a black fool saying yeah tattooing is black shit, NEVER! Blacks are the original trendsetters always was and will be forever. And I never said tattooing was a minority thing quote me saying it dumb ass. Stop being a racist fool and get some ackrite. And modern tatooing is a white thing always was and always will be, Seem like Chicanos like to take some white shit or black shit throw some spanish on it and say "this is the real deal ELA Chicano shit holmes" I call BS.

[perongregory]

Everyone bites off of blacks the whole world knows it... lol at ELA influencing the whole black American population. Never put your neighborhood against a race you'll always lose.

[perongregory]

And big QVO to my Chicano brothers puttin the facts on this payaso. Even fellow Chicanos aint buyin that masa you woofin LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

[mayugastank]

Lol...

YES PERONGREGORY IT IS FUNNY>>>>LOL!
seeing a brotha sporting a chicano tattoo, makes me laugh also! oh how about the white boys getting dia de los muertos -a latino holiday tattooed across their bodys,or asians getting asian boys blasted on their dome like a vato from LA ?loco......it is funny your right about that ESE. Hey though 5 years from now you guys gonna have a special on BET ,talking about how the world copied black fashion from LA? and how blacks started the tattoo trend?that the GAME is one of the originators? you blacks get all pissed off when we even get on a mike and remind us how you fools started rap. Or if a vato even wears some black clothing hes a wankster! yet everything phugging thing about LA blacks and now black America is being bootlegged from my people yet according to you I cant even mention how and where it started-just keep taking from my culture and laying seige like your on a warpath to eliminate anything my people hold on 2....dont your ass forget who created this shit-cuz we are getting pretty fed up with you white cocksuckers and blacks biting our style and not paying a fucking dime for it

[mayugastank]

Everyone bites off of blacks the whole world knows it... lol at ELA influencing the whole black American population. Never put your neighborhood against a race you'll always lose.

NO everyone bites off ELA, and you know it -who the hell would blacks be if not for us? would the game dress the way he does? would their be gangster rap? crips and bloods sporting blue? would blacks be tatted the phug down? get the phug outta here -Even other hispanics try us! We got history, and you phugstix love our sauce your addicted to our fresh ass ways, and thru your music -you have definetly influenced the world YET DESPITE THIS......a vast sphere of everything that is done in America started on my block....shit everything the world loves about this country -the style and ways -is being blasted worldwide by your people -but you dont even acknowledge ELA. Your worst then the Salvadoreans and mexican gangs in West LA who dont even know how their hood started and acknowledge that what constitues modern tattoing, form of dress, gangsterism happened in a really unpopulated part of LA in a few blocks.....come on down to the center of the worlds trends and take notes on the beauty and class of the people here. You better speak english and leave your immigrant maid service in the rest of refugee LA. I cant stand you freaking ethopians -brothas-cambodians-illegal mexicans getting our style all phugged up -you guys are seriously pushing your luck

[mayugastank]

Mayuga cut the BS dog, even other hispanics aint fuckin with that masa you pushin. What did we see back in the day...white outlaw, criminal, rocker types with tatts and minority gangstas. Blacks wasn't all tatted up though u might see a set on the side of the neck, but it's really pac who was the one pushin that shit. Chicanos had the grey color style, whole body tatts.




THERE YOU GO QUOTING YOU ON SAYING TATTOOING IS A MINORITY THING! ..................what a crock of shit! whites did not tattoo en masse like we did-nor did they get the letters we made popular or place their tattoos like we did. They like your people cant stay off our nutsack-whites started modern tattoing ...hahaha! yea the east coast has a history of it /even though that was the original settlements of whites? the patterns whites get now started on the east coast? or the south? hahaha....the style of dress made popular by california whites that all whites nationwide use now....the dickies,tank tops, tattoing ,pulling your socks up, shots on the head, caligraphy....according to you was being done outside of california? BS! only in close proximaty with my people did your nutsucking and white nutsucking begin to resemble our ways...your phugging bitch ass biting motherfuckers

[perongregory]

I do give props the Chicano culture is a beautiful movement but the problem is you lie. America is too big with too many egos especially white and blacks for ELA to have cultural hegemony over the whole country. And the fuck are u talking about push it, you think ELA oll' dried up tecatos could fuck with this West LA gangsterism? Better learn something West LA will fuck off East LA in a heart beat, plus so much from East LA came from Chucotown in Tejas.

And ur ass hasn't been out of LA becuz whites don't dress like no fuckin wood outside of the southwest. Also, I didn't say tattoing was a minority thing idiot, I said who were people you saw with tattos: minority gangsters, because not many nuetral minorities back then had tattoos like they do now. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH FUCKER!

[mayugastank]

WEST LA fading ELA? give me a break you guys wouldnt even exist if not for us! You push minority gangsters-but you aint acknowledging that these minorities are new-the haitians,cambodians,koreans,armenians,ethiopians,iraqis and every other refugee in WEST LA, have all looked to ELA to guide them and since we know that LA is probably ground zero for the rest of America-urban-trend setting and the like is how I say ELA set the stage for the rest .The reason gangbanging is so ruthless in WHACK LOS is because you have dirtbag paisas drawing beads on people, they have no class and wear hair nets-just look at 18street! Now come down to ELA and tell me our gangs and lifestyle resemble your fucked up ass ghetto, you guys try real hard though-trying real hard to match the class we put on the map. I lived in Long Beach-for 2 years and its exactly like west los, mexicans with hairnets,cambodians with dickies and flipflops, black with shower caps on ...its fucking disgusting and your actually proud of these retards?you got cambodian girls wearing their makeup like mexican chicks, mexican gangsters who dont speak no englich and a new booty click on every street. Now take a drive to ELA and city out here and tell me we are like that? what a lie ! we dont even have paisas here. Los Angelos has turned the world on its head, NYC has now more crips and bloods then any other gang, Louisiana tattoing in the fashion of chicanos. Whites in Florida and the south sporting the uniform of ELAs trend setting youth. Werent no whites getting tatted like us ...even 15 years ago! Now click on linkin park and tell me that their entire getdown is a blowjob to ELA? the tattoos-stilo-. I tried to focus on the tattoo aspect of it all but in reality its the whole kitnkaboodle .....one of the first wood groups SUBLIME, rapped in spanish and sported the tattoo patterns and stilo of my people-their fashion set it off for dam near all after them! unless you take issue with that? The cool hip hoppy whites and even retro whites now talk about tattoos like its the rage, yet not that long ago -they looked at us as being dysfunctional for getting blasted like that. From Canada to the tip of Chile in SOuth America -ONLY WE TATTOED IN THE FASHION THAT IS NOW AMERICANA. As gently as I can put it. I went over and over why I felt LOS ANGELOS set alot of the tones for black America. And why I felt that tone was a play on ELA-you know it is. Were Elvis,The Big Bopper, adn anyone before the 70s who were rocker types getting blasted like ELAs people? Got Dam hell no! you guys are addicted to us -get off the nuts or at least pay us a fucking copyright instead of implying you started it

[perongregory]

West Los will fade ELA anyday it's too ruthless over here not about strolling in your creased up khakis or whatever BS you be on, bout bangin. stop sidesteppin, lil ass east los didn't influence the majority of black culture the south did, then NY, then LA. stop lying ELA set the trends for Mexicans, and woods prob. Anyway white youth always taking on others cultures.

[mayugastank]

and you can say that I pick on blacks -but in reality -take a peep at the Asian gangs of SOCAL -their tattoos,dress,hand signals,graffiti and tell me that what they are here in LOS ANGELOS and the rest of the country is anything similiar to who their people are in their home countrys-or the Samoans with SAMOA tattoed across their gut.....were they doing such in their home states? Or did it take close interaction with ninjas in the ghetto for them to develop any Samoan American culture? Were they sporting dickies on the island,banging bloods and crips? sagging their skirts when chopping coconuts? what about Armenians? Armenian Pride? were they getting AP upside their heads before they got to Los Angelos? wearing cortez and ben davis -sporting full body tatts like they do now? did they even have gangs back in Armenia? did those gangs resemble anything that they do here? Now I am working real hard to convince you. What does history tell us is Americas first prison gang? EME. Where oustide Califas was their a white supergang like the AB? how did they begin to develop and the idea came from where? The tattoo patterns of chicanos were probably first seen by whites in prison in California. Did whites in Boston get BEANTOWN upside their shoulder blades, did the get East Coast on their heads? as far as I know the answer is NO. The only other culture outside chicanos with gangs and such gaining mass popularity in America where the italians of the 19th century-but they werte different in that people knew they existed but werent sure since their lifestyle made it a crime punishable by death to admit to the existance of their mafia. they didnt get tattoed with tommy guns and GAMBINO_LUCCHESSE_GENOVESE like mexicans do their varrios. They were lowkey we were out for fame. Why perongregory does the tattoo culture of America hold so much bondage to the city of LOs Angelos? 49 other states in this country -hundreds of citys-millions of people-yet the patterns and such and designing and placements are in one way developed here?........um yea,chicano culture set that shit off.

[perongregory]

I'll believe you if you can provide proof instead of rhetoric. Too many Chicanos disagree with you and that right there tells me something.

[mayugastank]

West Los will fade ELA anyday it's too ruthless over here not about strolling in your creased up khakis or whatever BS you be on, bout bangin. stop sidesteppin, lil ass east los didn't influence the majority of black culture the south did, then NY, then LA. stop lying ELA set the trends for Mexicans, and woods prob. Anyway white youth always taking on others cultures.

Yea the south is the historic home of black america -Ive said it a million times! Whats the name of that famous and nationwide southern black gang? um ........oh yea their isnt one! The south influenced black music -cooking-soul-and life but the West took all black America by storm-the biggest gangs in the South are crips and bloods and the east coast too-and who do they resemble ? ELAs gangs ! 3 million blacks in NYC and not one could come up with something similiar or dress like LAs crips and bloods who hold many similiarities in fashion and bodyart to ELAs chicano community. But why? what about the honkeys? Tell me biker culture isnt linked to California and that biker culture outside California-resembled the tattoed-billy goat and bandana wearing honkey who got his patterns from ELAs people. These reasons why I keep hitting on we started it all. Did EL Salvador have an MS problem before these little refugee salvadoreans got in contact with mexican gangs in whack los who got their stilo from ELA? We own most of it......especially tattooing. Which Id say is almost top down chicano themed.

[perongregory]

East los played out homie, Bow Down when your westward bound...You heard the song.

[mayugastank]

I'll believe you if you can provide proof instead of rhetoric. Too many Chicanos disagree with you and that right there tells me something.

In actuality they didnt disagree many of the ones who said something were on some pece treaty shit-giving away our uniqueness and not calling people on the truth to avoid a scene. -Its how mexican people are raised. Silencioso,said that chicano youth made tattoing popular for everyone else. He admitted that much-his prior posts put him growing up in a city that was half white. So obviously-he didnt have a history of some 100 years of dealing with chicano culture like ELA. DAGO claims San Diego, he doesnt know shit about shit in that town! San Diegos gangs all have roots to ELA. Or should I say gangs in the LA area?...who came from ELA....right. The show LA ink has a few white cats tattooing in some of their episodes they get down to where they learned and who they befriended, one of the dudes was OILER from OFA a big ass mexican tagging crew. Mexicans who disagree with me -either are 2 young to remeber 15 years ago when tattooing was regulated to chicanos, and whites who had been locked up with chicanos or just dont know! schooling them is one of the resons I started the thread

[perongregory]

I didn't say that Mexicans didn't make tattooing popular I disagreed that Mexicans influenced all of modern tattooing or most of it like DAGO and silencioso said as well. They dropped facts, you dropped personal opinion. And when and where are Mexicans thought to be agreeable, probably when they are outnumbered yeah but when they get the numbers you get my drift. The thing is I give props to Chicanos for being one of the unique American cultures next to blacks and whites, but you hate and lie on everyone else so I gotta rebuke you.

[perongregory]

What I wanna know about is chicano life in the North and valley before all this norte, sur foolishness, cuz chicanos been up there for along time too but ELA always gets all the credit.

[mayugastank]

I didn't say that Mexicans didn't make tattooing popular I disagreed that Mexicans influenced all of modern tattooing or most of it like DAGO and silencioso said as well. They dropped facts, you dropped personal opinion. And when and where are Mexicans thought to be agreeable, probably when they are outnumbered yeah but when they get the numbers you get my drift. The thing is I give props to Chicanos for being one of the unique American cultures next to blacks and whites, but you hate and lie on everyone else so I gotta rebuke you.

REBUKE ME....evil spirits leave dis hereeee boy! get out I dont lie and hate I give props and give credit to people for being original-jazz,rap-motown-soul food-ebonics-slang-beat-dancing-breaking-blacks having their own dress, etc etc ......tattoing just predominantly belongs to ELA and thats the truth. So to make friends and not be racist I gotta let whites and blacks in tandem jack from my culture and not even give us a nod? do whites and blacks even know wher the shit they getting tatted on them is coming from? cuz I aint ever heard them mention us. Even though they get shots to where their whole piece is reminescent of a ELA chicano. Truth be told its pretty easy to jack our culture since outside of Arizona-Texas-Califas-New Mexico-and a town here and there -chicanos are non existant. Theres mexicans all over but they nothing but some refugees who couldnt even explain or probably dont even understand chicano culture. Thats what America thinks of Mexicans -I dated a white chick -who didnt even know a chicano to her mexicans were the ones who picked her fruit in North Dakota growing up and a chicano was not ever even seen before. Blacks are nationwide -essentially-their are pockets in every region. Midwest-South-East Coast-West Coast- plus the exposure of TV and internet-and radio-but us ? man I met a dude from NYC who said hed never even seen a mexican in his life...believe that?! so blacks on the west take our stilo and show the world yet we get nothing from it -not even acknowledgement and definetly not a shot out. Even though without us it wouldnt be the way it is -tattooing and the underground wouldnt even be anything close to what it is.....but without puerto ricans or greeks or cambodians or samoans or phillipinos or columbians and salvadoreans or cubans -blacks the tattooing culture would still be essentially the same! it is us who infused it with our styles and patterns and that shit is worldwide now but so very few people even know the history and patterning came from theat lil square of dust called ELA

[youngspade]

I didn't say that Mexicans didn't make tattooing popular I disagreed that Mexicans influenced all of modern tattooing or most of it like DAGO and silencioso said as well. They dropped facts, you dropped personal opinion. And when and where are Mexicans thought to be agreeable, probably when they are outnumbered yeah but when they get the numbers you get my drift. The thing is I give props to Chicanos for being one of the unique American cultures next to blacks and whites, but you hate and lie on everyone else so I gotta rebuke you.

REBUKE ME....evil spirits leave dis hereeee boy! get out I dont lie and hate I give props and give credit to people for being original-jazz,rap-motown-soul food-ebonics-slang-beat-dancing-breaking-blacks having their own dress, etc etc ......tattoing just predominantly belongs to ELA and thats the truth. So to make friends and not be racist I gotta let whites and blacks in tandem jack from my culture and not even give us a nod? do whites and blacks even know wher the shit they getting tatted on them is coming from? because I aint ever heard them mention us. Even though they get shots to where their whole piece is reminescent of a ELA chicano. Truth be told its pretty easy to jack our culture since outside of Arizona-Texas-Califas-New Mexico-and a town here and there -chicanos are non existant. Theres mexicans all over but they nothing but some refugees who couldnt even explain or probably dont even understand chicano culture. Thats what America thinks of Mexicans -I dated a white chick -who didnt even know a chicano to her mexicans were the ones who picked her fruit in North Dakota growing up and a chicano was not ever even seen before. Blacks are nationwide -essentially-their are pockets in every region. Midwest-South-East Coast-West Coast- plus the exposure of TV and internet-and radio-but us ? man I met a dude from NYC who said hed never even seen a mexican in his life...believe that?! so blacks on the west take our stilo and show the world yet we get nothing from it -not even acknowledgement and definetly not a shot out. Even though without us it wouldnt be the way it is -tattooing and the underground wouldnt even be anything close to what it is.....but without puerto ricans or greeks or cambodians or samoans or phillipinos or columbians and salvadoreans or cubans -blacks the tattooing culture would still be essentially the same! it is us who infused it with our styles and patterns and that shit is worldwide now but so very few people even know the history and patterning came from theat lil square of dust called ELA

Your a fucking idiot, West-LA gang outnumber yall 3-1 in ALMOST EVERY HOOD and Nobody said "HEY I WANNA BE LIKE IM FROM EAST LA"

When you leave LONG BEACH. which isnt EAST LA ( anyone surprised he doesnt live there but knows everything? hes prolly never ever lived there) SORRY BUT MEXICANS are INTERNATIONALLY/Nationally KNOWN Like blacks! Yall niggaz aint got NO SWAGG anyway!