Surenos love old Black soul music why?

[mayugastank]

TRE wrote"

ESSe bangers art is not plastered all over black peoples bodies Mayuga! Stop exaggerating!! Just because a few high-profile rap artist use Cartoon to help sell and market cd's to their largest demographic and biggest fans (Latino women), doesn't translate to ALL black people wearing Chicano art!


Mayugastank replies:


BULLSHizNIT" check out the thread "CHICANO TATTOOS ON BLACKS"

I posted dozens and dozens of pics of black athletes/rappers/musicians and in general blacks who have in the last 10 years ........inked themselves in the manner of the southern chicano. Exact same styles/writings/fonts and layouts/and pictures changed up a millimeter.

This style of tattooing had never been seen outside of the chicano convict anywhere in the world and it has changed the world of underground art and totally transformed tattooing into a mainstream youth thing. Before chicano bangers redirected tattooing the world of ink was simple and grotesque its now considered beauty and much of what is tattooed is and was done generation after generation by chicanos seeking an identity in America. Its OUR BIGGEST HALLMARK and OUR BIGGEST SIGNATURE practiced throughout the WORLD.
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[Tre]

You really haven't made a strong case what separates Chicano tattoos from any other. When you use for example Tupac, I honestly don't see anything Chicano looking about his tatts. You made some comment about the specific placement of his tatt "Thug Life" being a Chicano thing... huh?? I really think you just have a problem with black people getting inked up.... period!!!

If you want to say the 'exposure' and appreciation of certain styles/writings/fonts has been increased through Chicanos and Chicano gangs, I really don't have a problem with that since most tattoo shops here in LA are owned and operated by Chicanos... but to insist anyone (black, white, asians) using certain styles/writings/fonts like "boldface' is stealing from Chicano gangs is nonsense. Especially boldface or blackletter which existed before the Chicano appropriation of it. Heavy Metal artist used it in the 1970's, Elvis Presley used it for his album cover in the 1960's, and Martin Luther used it to print the bible. Are all these people stealing from Chicano gangmembers?? Of course not!! When you make these outrageous statements 'Mayuga' that blacks are stealing Chicano culture by getting themselves inked up, the whole argument is a nonsense since it's based solely on some arbitrary convention. What about someone that is half-black, half-hispanic?? Isn't R & B singer 'Miguel' half-black, half-Chicano?? According to your logic If an LA Chicano does his tatts I guess that would he be half stealing, since he's half black??

In any case, regardless of your personal beliefs, if you pay good money for the shit it's yours.... whether its Chicano artwork, black music, or whatever!

[mayugastank]

Look at the worlds tattoos from 10 years ago and then look at chicano tattoos from 10 years ago. YOULL SEE CLEARLY..........how much chicanos have changed the artform of tattooing WORLDWIDE. The only styles known in the world are JAPANESE-SAILOR JERRY-CHICANO-TRIBAL. The modern American tattooing is a mixture of Japanese and Chicano MAINLY.

Now you say what seperates chicano tattoos from other tattoos? I mean go check out black tattoos -of yesterday to what they get inked NOW> What TYGA-WAYNE-LUDA-MAINO-BOWWOW- and many many others get had never been done by anyone outside the chicano community till the mid 1990s. NOT ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. It wasnt an art that developed in Ireland-Britain-Africa it developed amongst chicano convicts in the states of the southwest USA.

Just like the inkwork of the YUKUZA is 100% distinguishable from anything done anywhere else......the ink of the chicano is likewise distinguishable.

Lets get REAL ---everything about blacks in Los Angelos is a bootleg. From the rags/dress/gang styles/graffiti/ink and cars. Not anywhere outside the joint ghettos of blacks/mexicans did our cultures intermingle. MEANING: The Southern black developed his own art/music/culture by segregation. The WESTCOAST black developed his by mimicking EVERYTHING about latino gangs in Los Angelos.

REMEMBER : outside of Los Angelos blacks did not wear/dress/drive or bang in the fashion they do HERE> Not even in Oakland a city in the same state of California. NOWWHERE in AMERICA is their any black gang even remotely similiar to what the crips/bloods pretended to be during the 1990s-2000s with the EASY Es and DREs SNOOPS ICE CUBE...........pushing some sort of retro black fashion AS IF they didnt jack move it all./

[CaliBoy97]

All I know is Hispanics have no trouble saying Mayate or the "N" word but will bump some Tupac....Some funny style dudes

[MMRbkaRudog]

All I know is Hispanics have no trouble saying Mayate or the "N" word but will bump some Tupac....Some funny style dudes

Funny style like stank, for sure.

[MMRbkaRudog]

I will admit if I haven't already, blacks did get a lot from Chicanos. I will say again tho, I'm not going to exaggerate it. When did Dre or Ice Cube look straight up cholo (don't answer it stank)? To me some times Eazy did looked cholo or damn near. It's funny how stank acts like he knows how every black in America dressed, but he's funny style like I said.

[CaliBoy97]

It boggles my mind that when the question of why racist hispanic gang members listen to rap, latinos like to say "well blacks get chicano style tattoos" thats the most bogus shit I've heard and as an African Ametican that is insulting. First off, that smile now cry later shit is not on the many gang banging homies I know. Yeah some have old english tattoos some dont. Stop justifying BS with more BS

[MCD]

Is this really that difficult to figure out? Mexicans listen to rap because they like it, now you have the chicano rap subgenre. And when you consider the time period most oldies were recorded, racism was still widespread. So they weren't going to embrace music from white artists were they?

[WYCOKC]

This shit is crazy...glad Kansas City aint on that racial BS. Brown and Black in KC are cool for the most part, no tension or racial BS.

[CaliBoy97]

You guys have some twisted logic. This thread is about music but you have pro hispanic dumbasses coming in here talking about tattoos. Idiots that old english shit existed before Chicanos knew how to write in english. Also, tribes marked themselves in ink for war, coming of age, or to show alligence to a tribe as did many Africans. Showing pictures of tupac, snoop, game or Barney the purple dinosaur doesnt qualify as "blacks stealing." What the fuck is stealing if you pay for something?

[mayugastank]

Caliboy,

Why do chicanos like rap is a blanket statement......its accurate but bogus. The world going back to at least RAGTIME have looked to black people for music. American blacks have dominated music from one end of the world to the next. Why do I listen to some rnb,rap,motown? Personally because NOTHING compares to it. I cant find that style-rythm-beat-in my own culture, the closest we have to anything like that would be the Raggeaton, which by the way is bootlegged, African, music. Yeah it is sung in spanish-but the beat-stytle is PURE jaimaican-Island-African and mixtures of African American.

Your question is quite stupid. Simple answer is chicanos love black music-because chicanos LOVE black music. I mean come on! This chicano aint going to be listening to black music unless they love the shit.

So what? Your people dont give it up like they should, your whole westcoast getdown is bootlegged. The inked up-lowlow-flagging-red/blue, DRE-SNOOP ICE T , looking westcoast brother is a rip off of chicano culture. But you dont want to admit that. Your people dont dress-getdown or look like some 1990 crips and bloods anywhere outside of Los Angelos. Lowriding and vehicle modification didnt start in the South my nigga, it was brothers from Los Angelos who introduced it to blacks nationwide thru videos made by blacks who grew up around MEXICANS.

Another thing, dont put the way chicanos tattoo in a "tattooing in general ctegory" because I could do the same and say black music is simply 'music" and blacks didnt invent it because people of all cultures have had music all thru history.

Its a BS argument. The art-style of tattooing chicanos in the USA do, started amongst my people. It had never been seen outside of the barrios of the Southwest. It didnt start in Mexico. As well as the style of dress-the vehicle modification. These things all started amongst my people. The look of the crips and bloods, is a throwback to the style of the 1970 chicano convict.

Your people got a problem copying my peoples lifestyle and then pretending they didnt because they sagged the dickies instead of pulling them up or wore different patterned flannels, or modified jeeps instead of Chevy Caprices'.

FACT OUTSIDE OF LOS ANGELOS> BLACKS DID NOT GET DOWN WITH THE INK_CRIPPING_LOW LOWS.

FACT OUTSIDE OF LOS ANGELOS>CHICANOS DID AND HAD OLDER VARRIOS THEN LOS ANGELOS MEXICANS. The form of tattooing we are arguing about was done FIRST by chicanos in EL PASO-SAN ANTONIO.

[MMRbkaRudog]

Caliboy,

Why do chicanos like rap is a blanket statement......its accurate but bogus. The world going back to at least RAGTIME have looked to black people for music. American blacks have dominated music from one end of the world to the next. Why do I listen to some rnb,rap,motown? Personally because NOTHING compares to it. I cant find that style-rythm-beat-in my own culture, the closest we have to anything like that would be the Raggeaton, which by the way is bootlegged, African, music. Yeah it is sung in spanish-but the beat-stytle is PURE jaimaican-Island-African and mixtures of African American.

Your question is quite stupid. Simple answer is chicanos love black music-because chicanos LOVE black music. I mean come on! This chicano aint going to be listening to black music unless they love the shit.

So what? Your people dont give it up like they should, your whole westcoast getdown is bootlegged. The inked up-lowlow-flagging-red/blue, DRE-SNOOP ICE T , looking westcoast brother is a rip off of chicano culture. But you dont want to admit that. Your people dont dress-getdown or look like some 1990 crips and bloods anywhere outside of Los Angelos. Lowriding and vehicle modification didnt start in the South my nigga, it was brothers from Los Angelos who introduced it to blacks nationwide thru videos made by blacks who grew up around MEXICANS.

Another thing, dont put the way chicanos tattoo in a "tattooing in general ctegory" because I could do the same and say black music is simply 'music" and blacks didnt invent it because people of all cultures have had music all thru history.

Its a BS argument. The art-style of tattooing chicanos in the USA do, started amongst my people. It had never been seen outside of the barrios of the Southwest. It didnt start in Mexico. As well as the style of dress-the vehicle modification. These things all started amongst my people. The look of the crips and bloods, is a throwback to the style of the 1970 chicano convict.

Your people got a problem copying my peoples lifestyle and then pretending they didnt because they sagged the dickies instead of pulling them up or wore different patterned flannels, or modified jeeps instead of Chevy Caprices'.

FACT OUTSIDE OF LOS ANGELOS> BLACKS DID NOT GET DOWN WITH THE INK_CRIPPING_LOW LOWS.

FACT OUTSIDE OF LOS ANGELOS>CHICANOS DID AND HAD OLDER VARRIOS THEN LOS ANGELOS MEXICANS. The form of tattooing we are arguing about was done FIRST by chicanos in EL PASO-SAN ANTONIO.

HE DIDN'T ASK WHY CHICANOS LIKE RAP! WHAT IF SOME OF "HIS PEOPLE" DO LOOK LIKE SOME 90'S CRIPS OUTSIDE OF LA? ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE THAT OR SOMETHING, EVEN IN LA? I DON'T SEE HOW THE LOOK OF THE B'S & C'S IS A THROWBACK OF THE CHICANO CONVICT, BUT MAYBE SOME IN THE PAST LOOKED THE SAME.

HOW MANY CONVICTS DIDN'T LOOK THE SAME IN THE 70'S? WHY DO YOU ALWAYS BRING UP THE SOUTH? YOU ACT LIKE BROTHERS ARE SUPPOSED TO ALL BE FROM THE SOUTH OR SOMETHING. WTF IS INK CRIPPING LOW LOWS? YOU SAY SOME OF THE MOST RETARDED SOUNDING CHIT IN THIS FORUM EVER! I THINK THE PERSON WITH THE PROBLEM IS YOU!

[mayugastank]

Heres why I bring up the south when I bring up blacks. 90% of all blacks were born or migrated from the Southern States up until 1970! Another 5% were born to parents who were born there as well.

Only 5% of all blacks in 1970 werent born in the South with NEW YORK-CHICAGO-DETROIT being the biggest concentrations of blacks. Now we could assume, that a crip and blood like gang wouldve formed where 95% of blacks lived or were born. BUT NO! In Los Angelos, they mimicked the latino street gangs and in Chicago they mimicked the Latin Kings which also held as its original members mexicans, with less numbers but still some of the very founders of LK.

Guess where their arent historic and huge black gangs? Mississippi, Lousiana, Florida,Texas, New York, all these spots dont have mighty black gangs like the BGD-FOLKS-CRIPS-BLOODS.

Yet 95% of all blacks lived-were born or just moved from the Southern states, and or those Northern citys. No culture of tattooing, no history of lowriding, stacking, banging westcoast style, no dickie and flannel gang bang attire, no graffiti like the crips out here..........none of that was present in those southern states. Or New York-Detroit-Chicago.

But here is who it was present for: CHICANOS: In texas the artform of chicano tattooing was established. Gang banging chicanos have serious history in San Antonio-El Paso-Denver-New Mexico. The artform of chicano tattoos, started from Texas Mexicans, Los Angelos mexicans merely added a big city flavor to it.

I mean do your homework.........it aint hard to see> blacks sold chicano life to other blacks. Who in turn threw in on their videos without so much as having ever met a mejicano...........ESE/

[mayugastank]

KNOWN AS THE GREAT MIGRATION

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migr ... n_American)


How could anyone deny that the vast majority of varrios in ELA were already established by the time blacks landed in numbers in LOS. To name a dozen, WHITE FENCE. ALPINE STREET. DIAMOND STREET. GAHERTY.MARAVILLA. NUEVO ESTRADA. DOGTOWN.BASSETT.CANTA RANA. JARDIN.HAZARD.P12.

These gangs all established before the majority of the great migration left the Southern States for the midwest-westcoast and eastern citys.

How the fuck can anyone deny blacks didnt copy hispanics?

[MMRbkaRudog]

Heres why I bring up the south when I bring up blacks. 90% of all blacks were born or migrated from the Southern States up until 1970! Another 5% were born to parents who were born there as well.

Only 5% of all blacks in 1970 werent born in the South with NEW YORK-CHICAGO-DETROIT being the biggest concentrations of blacks. Now we could assume, that a crip and blood like gang wouldve formed where 95% of blacks lived or were born. BUT NO! In Los Angelos, they mimicked the latino street gangs and in Chicago they mimicked the Latin Kings which also held as its original members mexicans, with less numbers but still some of the very founders of LK.

Guess where their arent historic and huge black gangs? Mississippi, Lousiana, Florida,Texas, New York, all these spots dont have mighty black gangs like the BGD-FOLKS-CRIPS-BLOODS.

Yet 95% of all blacks lived-were born or just moved from the Southern states, and or those Northern citys. No culture of tattooing, no history of lowriding, stacking, banging westcoast style, no dickie and flannel gang bang attire, no graffiti like the crips out here..........none of that was present in those southern states. Or New York-Detroit-Chicago.

But here is who it was present for: CHICANOS: In texas the artform of chicano tattooing was established. Gang banging chicanos have serious history in San Antonio-El Paso-Denver-New Mexico. The artform of chicano tattoos, started from Texas Mexicans, Los Angelos mexicans merely added a big city flavor to it.

I mean do your homework.........it aint hard to see> blacks sold chicano life to other blacks. Who in turn threw in on their videos without so much as having ever met a mejicano...........ESE/

I You would say some chit like blacks copied lk's in Chicago. LK's were originally Puerto Ricans by the way & I don't care what you're reason for bringing up the south is. I already knew why you did & I don't care for you to bring up any more of your opinions esa.