Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??2

[femun]

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You forgot Dog Town!

I don't think WF belongs on that list.

WF started around the 20s but members claim it was 1911, so who knows.

I guess you've never read "The gangs of Los Angeles" by William Dunn

[xicano323]

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You forgot Dog Town!

I don't think WF belongs on that list.

WF started around the 20s but members claim it was 1911, so who knows.

I guess you've never read "The gangs of Los Angeles" by William Dunn

And i guess youve never read "The Black Hand: The Bloody Rise and Redemption of "Boxer" Enriquez, a Mexican Mob Killer" by Chris Blatchford and "Youth gangs in American society". Also the LA Times did an article on WF back in 1939, i think you can find it on google books, it shows you that they were already organized real good at the time. White Fence belongs on that list end of discussion.

[mayugastank]

The point of the statement was MEXICANOS CHICANOS-across the entire Southwest started and are the creators of much of what is street culture NOW.

Our artwork is worldwide. When I see modern rappers I see Los Angelos 1980s cholo gear and art, when I see modern skaters I think back to late 1980 vans/dickies and white Td chicano bangers. A styel they took from our predecessors.

A deep history in a foreign land-a people who sought an identity in a world where everyone was different in appearance-language-culture. We showed modern cultures across the USA how to honorable and in your fawking face stand up to white aggression.

My people didnt pretend to be proud-we brazenly rolled with our ladies brown babies and inked up bodies and created a IN YOUR FAWKING FACE style that let everyone know we didnt give a dam about them. Not like "otherz". Dropping their entire culture 10 years after landing on American shores to claim and play "gangs" , then seeking fame for doing something for 10 years like they got a history.

Or inking themselves in Mississippi-New Orleans-New York, cholo style art and tattoos without even knowing what it means but sure as hell flossing like its black power. That exact same scenario is what happened with the pachuco, blacks claimed they started it because they can. Watch MAINO .WAK .BOW WOW .TYGA .JR SMITH. LIL WAYNE. all representing to black America inked up superstars.........stealing and using our art.

Chicanos dont deserve shit, we lay down too much and let these fools jack and repack everything we do. BUT LET A CHICANO get on a mike-let him rap, let him breakdance, we get quick calls on tryna' be black.

Every single modern lowlow-inked in -shirt taking off-tatted up- rapper today would be eliminated if we took the cholo outside of him.

[xicano323]

The point of the statement was MEXICANOS CHICANOS-across the entire Southwest started and are the creators of much of what is street culture NOW.

Our artwork is worldwide. When I see modern rappers I see Los Angelos 1980s cholo gear and art, when I see modern skaters I think back to late 1980 vans/dickies and white Td chicano bangers. A styel they took from our predecessors.

A deep history in a foreign land-a people who sought an identity in a world where everyone was different in appearance-language-culture. We showed modern cultures across the USA how to honorable and in your fawking face stand up to white aggression.

My people didnt pretend to be proud-we brazenly rolled with our ladies brown babies and inked up bodies and created a IN YOUR FAWKING FACE style that let everyone know we didnt give a dam about them. Not like "otherz". Dropping their entire culture 10 years after landing on American shores to claim and play "gangs" , then seeking fame for doing something for 10 years like they got a history.

Or inking themselves in Mississippi-New Orleans-New York, cholo style art and tattoos without even knowing what it means but sure as hell flossing like its black power. That exact same scenario is what happened with the pachuco, blacks claimed they started it because they can. Watch MAINO .WAK .BOW WOW .TYGA .JR SMITH. LIL WAYNE. all representing to black America inked up superstars.........stealing and using our art.

Chicanos dont deserve shit, we lay down too much and let these fools jack and repack everything we do. BUT LET A CHICANO get on a mike-let him rap, let him breakdance, we get quick calls on tryna' be black.

Every single modern lowlow-inked in -shirt taking off-tatted up- rapper today would be eliminated if we took the cholo outside of him.

one of the best shit ive read on here man!

[femun]

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You forgot Dog Town!

I don't think WF belongs on that list.

WF started around the 20s but members claim it was 1911, so who knows.

I guess you've never read "The gangs of Los Angeles" by William Dunn

And i guess youve never read "The Black Hand: The Bloody Rise and Redemption of "Boxer" Enriquez, a Mexican Mob Killer" by Chris Blatchford and "Youth gangs in American society". Also the LA Times did an article on WF back in 1939, i think you can find it on google books, it shows you that they were already organized real good at the time. White Fence belongs on that list end of discussion.

I've read Black Hand, now please explain to me what Boxer's book has to do with the fact that you have the wrong info and that your spewing false information on these forums.

[mayugastank]

Who cares 10 years here 10 years there, the point is chicano art culture and life has been around in excess of 100 years. theres been a few blacks on this thread acting like they invented the zootsuit much like GAME-DRE-SNOOP and TYGA WAYNE MAINO is acting like they created inking in/stacking/graff/low lows/casual attire gang gear.

I am way suspect about blacks starting zootsuiting, and if they DID. It was 40 years after the fact of the first chicano gangs. Zootsuits had their popularity between 1945-1952. Big FREAKING DEAL in a 120 year history! 8 stanking little punk ass years these fools believe influenced 120 gangster years of history-art-life.

Aint a gang worldwide with the history of Chicano varrios, we create they imitate POORLY. IMITATION IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF FLATTERY>

[MMRbkaRudog]

Who cares 10 years here 10 years there, the point is chicano art culture and life has been around in excess of 100 years. theres been a few blacks on this thread acting like they invented the zootsuit much like GAME-DRE-SNOOP and TYGA WAYNE MAINO is acting like they created inking in/stacking/graff/low lows/casual attire gang gear.

I am way suspect about blacks starting zootsuiting, and if they DID. It was 40 years after the fact of the first chicano gangs. Zootsuits had their popularity between 1945-1952. Big FREAKING DEAL in a 120 year history! 8 stanking little punk ass years these fools believe influenced 120 gangster years of history-art-life.

Aint a gang worldwide with the history of Chicano varrios, we create they imitate POORLY. IMITATION IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF FLATTERY>

You can't just shut the fuck up can you? You're crying for attention aren't you?

[xicano323]

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You forgot Dog Town!

I don't think WF belongs on that list.

WF started around the 20s but members claim it was 1911, so who knows.

I guess you've never read "The gangs of Los Angeles" by William Dunn

And i guess youve never read "The Black Hand: The Bloody Rise and Redemption of "Boxer" Enriquez, a Mexican Mob Killer" by Chris Blatchford and "Youth gangs in American society". Also the LA Times did an article on WF back in 1939, i think you can find it on google books, it shows you that they were already organized real good at the time. White Fence belongs on that list end of discussion.

I've read Black Hand, now please explain to me what Boxer's book has to do with the fact that you have the wrong info and that your spewing false information on these forums.

Are your trying to get attention? how 'em i giving you false info on the black hand? read the damn book, page 102 , i didnt say they started in 1911, read at the top I SAID "but members claim it was 1911", so how the fu-- is that false info? maybe if you payed attention we wouldnt be having this discussion.

[femun]

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You forgot Dog Town!

I don't think WF belongs on that list.

WF started around the 20s but members claim it was 1911, so who knows.

Listen kid, if your gonna post on these forums make sure you get your facts straight. Don't read one book on the subject read several and you'll distance yourself from situations such as these.

[mayugastank]

ONE OF AMERICAS OLDEST GANGS


TEMPLE STREET a filipino gang should be added to the list. 1920 or earlier. Notice how when anyone mentions the zootsuit it always mentions blacks-filipinos and mexicans...is it a wonder why? The Filipino gang is one of the oldest in the nation. The gang is active in the phillipines to date, I have heard that pinoys were thorough 100% involved in the beginings of modern gang culture. To think that although small in number they have formed something so thorough-theyve always in my book been real original. The flips in Montebello, old school ones and even new ones dont try pretending to be mexican or dress like us or do anything like us, so next time you see a gangster flip know that they were their with their input since the 1920s probably earlier!. I see them in that pic and give a hat off to a people whove been original from the gate and were around for what modern street culture is today.

[MMRbkaRudog]

ONE OF AMERICAS OLDEST GANGS


TEMPLE STREET a filipino gang should be added to the list. 1920 or earlier. Notice how when anyone mentions the zootsuit it always mentions blacks-filipinos and mexicans...is it a wonder why? The Filipino gang is one of the oldest in the nation. The gang is active in the phillipines to date, I have heard that pinoys were thorough 100% involved in the beginings of modern gang culture. To think that although small in number they have formed something so thorough-theyve always in my book been real original. The flips in Montebello, old school ones and even new ones dont try pretending to be mexican or dress like us or do anything like us, so next time you see a gangster flip know that they were their with their input since the 1920s probably earlier!. I see them in that pic and give a hat off to a people whove been original from the gate and were around for what modern street culture is today.

Yeah, but blacks do right?

[Silencioso]

Temple was originally a Mexican gang.

[mayugastank]

Temple Street originally Mexican? SOURCES.

Ive always heard that they are mexican NOW. But were originally flip.

[mayugastank]

ONE OF AMERICAS OLDEST GANGS


TEMPLE STREET a filipino gang should be added to the list. 1920 or earlier. Notice how when anyone mentions the zootsuit it always mentions blacks-filipinos and mexicans...is it a wonder why? The Filipino gang is one of the oldest in the nation. The gang is active in the phillipines to date, I have heard that pinoys were thorough 100% involved in the beginings of modern gang culture. To think that although small in number they have formed something so thorough-theyve always in my book been real original. The flips in Montebello, old school ones and even new ones dont try pretending to be mexican or dress like us or do anything like us, so next time you see a gangster flip know that they were their with their input since the 1920s probably earlier!. I see them in that pic and give a hat off to a people whove been original from the gate and were around for what modern street culture is today.

Yeah, but blacks do right?

Of course they do! Theyve copied the entire westcoast mexican culture from Mexicans. Bloods and Crips are compared to Mexican gangs NEW BOOTIES. Extremely NEW. Their arent hardly any gangs in East Los, that have the slight history crips and bloods do. Do you really believe we just coincidentally do all these things the same way? rag/stacking/lowriding/graffiti lettering style/inkwork..........hell nah! Bs/Cs are repackaged cholos. Their entire history is connected to the historic latino gangs from the Southwest. Their arent even 1/4 old as we are.
I dont give a fux but lets be real. Blacks in the South represent what blacks are. They arent like these West Coast inked in brothas!

[Rudog]

Stank - It wasn't really a question. It was a joke, just like you. We already been over what I believe with blacks & what you do, so it's no need to bring it up all over again.

[mayugastank]

Stank - It wasn't really a question. It was a joke, just like you. We already been over what I believe with blacks & what you do, so it's no need to bring it up all over again.

The question is RUDOG- do blacks dispute that mexicans are the originators of MODERN GANG CULTURE?

their arent a black gang in America with HALF the history of the youngest gangs in East Los Angelos. From the tatts to the form of dress to the graffiti to the rags and colors.......

Lets not pretend: outside of Los Angelos-they are not one single black gang remotely similiair to the crips/bloods and the only reason they are so different is because theyve adopted completely the style of the cholo. Not in New York ( 3 million blacks) not in the South (27 million blacks) are their dickie banging-red wearing-tatted like a cholo African Americans......

Bit their are dickie banging inked up chicanos lowriding in ALL THE STATES chicanos live. In fact in El PAso, Texas and in San Antonio, Texas one can find the begining of modern gang culture. Cholo style. Inked in and representing, they are also way older then gangs in EAST LOS ANGELOS> most chicano hoods from Los Angelos had as tehir originators chicanos from Texas.

[MMRbkaRudog]

Stank - It wasn't really a question. It was a joke, just like you. We already been over what I believe with blacks & what you do, so it's no need to bring it up all over again.

The question is RUDOG- do blacks dispute that mexicans are the originators of MODERN GANG CULTURE?

their arent a black gang in America with HALF the history of the youngest gangs in East Los Angelos. From the tatts to the form of dress to the graffiti to the rags and colors.......

Lets not pretend: outside of Los Angelos-they are not one single black gang remotely similiair to the crips/bloods and the only reason they are so different is because theyve adopted completely the style of the cholo. Not in New York ( 3 million blacks) not in the South (27 million blacks) are their dickie banging-red wearing-tatted like a cholo African Americans......

Bit their are dickie banging inked up chicanos lowriding in ALL THE STATES chicanos live. In fact in El PAso, Texas and in San Antonio, Texas one can find the begining of modern gang culture. Cholo style. Inked in and representing, they are also way older then gangs in EAST LOS ANGELOS> most chicano hoods from Los Angelos had as tehir originators chicanos from Texas.

I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS SIMPLE.... GO FUCK YOURSELF

[youngspade]

Lol yall wasting tine lolllll

[mayugastank]

[Silencioso]

Temple Street originally Mexican? SOURCES.

Ive always heard that they are mexican NOW. But were originally flip.

LA Times 1953. Temple is mentioned as a predominantly Mexican gang with some "Anglos" and "Negros".

[youngspade]

#fail


Still postn bout dis??

[MCD]

Temple Street originally Mexican? SOURCES.

Ive always heard that they are mexican NOW. But were originally flip.

LA Times 1953. Temple is mentioned as a predominantly Mexican gang with some "Anglos" and "Negros".

I talked to a guy from LA who lived near TST and he told me it was pure filipino, that then mixed with mexicans.

Seeing as how mexicans and filipinos get along, I can see that being the case, besides the papers get shit wrong alot.

[mayugastank]

their is no denying that Filipino gangs in Los Angelos were here from the beginings. Santanas is said to be 100 years old. If we include any gangs in "oldest gangs" they definetly have their spot.

Temple Street as I was told was pure Filipino. It then turned Mexican, they are one of Los Angelos' oldest gangs. The papers list the zootsuit as a style of clothing worn by Filipinos-Mexican and Blacks.

Is it a wonder why? we got Temple Street and probably many more pinoy gangs who were very active and very into the gang culture as far back as the 1920s

[MCD]

their is no denying that Filipino gangs in Los Angelos were here from the beginings. Santanas is said to be 100 years old. If we include any gangs in "oldest gangs" they definetly have their spot.

Temple Street as I was told was pure Filipino. It then turned Mexican, they are one of Los Angelos' oldest gangs. The papers list the zootsuit as a style of clothing worn by Filipinos-Mexican and Blacks.

Is it a wonder why? we got Temple Street and probably many more pinoy gangs who were very active and very into the gang culture as far back as the 1920s

Gang culture, or at least turf war, is a large component of Philippines culture amongst the poor. A guy I met through one of my filipino friends grew up in a slum and said it was knife fights all the time. Gangs in 20's, 30's LA probably wasn't much different.

[youngspade]

ONE OF AMERICAS OLDEST GANGS


TEMPLE STREET a filipino gang should be added to the list. 1920 or earlier. Notice how when anyone mentions the zootsuit it always mentions blacks-filipinos and mexicans...is it a wonder why? The Filipino gang is one of the oldest in the nation. The gang is active in the phillipines to date, I have heard that pinoys were thorough 100% involved in the beginings of modern gang culture. To think that although small in number they have formed something so thorough-theyve always in my book been real original. The flips in Montebello, old school ones and even new ones dont try pretending to be mexican or dress like us or do anything like us, so next time you see a gangster flip know that they were their with their input since the 1920s probably earlier!. I see them in that pic and give a hat off to a people whove been original from the gate and were around for what modern street culture is today.

Racists??

http://thehoodup.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=74375

[judastaugamma]

Temple Street originally Mexican? SOURCES.

Ive always heard that they are mexican NOW. But were originally flip.

LA Times 1953. Temple is mentioned as a predominantly Mexican gang with some "Anglos" and "Negros".

I talked to a guy from LA who lived near TST and he told me it was pure filipino, that then mixed with mexicans.

Seeing as how mexicans and filipinos get along, I can see that being the case, besides the papers get shit wrong alot.

not true.

from what i read/heard when temple street started out they had some filipinos back in the 20's or whenever but still majority chicano.

but there wasn't many filipinos in los angeles back then yet.

later on more filipino immigrants came and they had their own clique in temple street.

a temple street (mexican) told me the pinoy locos clique is one of their oldest cliques. not sure how true that is though.

[judastaugamma]

their is no denying that Filipino gangs in Los Angelos were here from the beginings. Santanas is said to be 100 years old. If we include any gangs in "oldest gangs" they definetly have their spot.

Temple Street as I was told was pure Filipino. It then turned Mexican, they are one of Los Angelos' oldest gangs. The papers list the zootsuit as a style of clothing worn by Filipinos-Mexican and Blacks.

Is it a wonder why? we got Temple Street and probably many more pinoy gangs who were very active and very into the gang culture as far back as the 1920s

satanas (satan in spanish. same in philippines)

satanas is not 100 years old. they're from the 70's era.

they were a clique of temple street. later they broke off.


there's 2 stories around about how they started.

1 is that they were originally a car club that turned gang. they had ties to temple street or had members in the car club that were temple street pinoy locos.

2 is that they were a clique of temple street that broke off.

depending on which satanas you talk to , they'll say 1 of those things. either way they had a connection to temple street and i personally believe that they were a clique of temple that broke off. been locked up with too many OLD satanas veteranos that admit they came from temple.

[MCD]

Temple Street originally Mexican? SOURCES.

Ive always heard that they are mexican NOW. But were originally flip.

LA Times 1953. Temple is mentioned as a predominantly Mexican gang with some "Anglos" and "Negros".

I talked to a guy from LA who lived near TST and he told me it was pure filipino, that then mixed with mexicans.

Seeing as how mexicans and filipinos get along, I can see that being the case, besides the papers get shit wrong alot.

not true.

from what i read/heard when temple street started out they had some filipinos back in the 20's or whenever but still majority chicano.

but there wasn't many filipinos in los angeles back then yet.

later on more filipino immigrants came and they had their own clique in temple street.

a temple street (mexican) told me the pinoy locos clique is one of their oldest cliques. not sure how true that is though.

Well homie if you're gonna flag what I saw as untrue, come with something better than "I heard..." But i think we're getting two cliques twisted up anyways, I've been told from people in the area temple st was originally filipino and filipinos and mexicans obviously have a history of culture mixing at least in cali. This same guy showed me a site the homies put up about TS's history and it says on there that it was originally filipino.

Besides the overall LA filipino population has little to do with it, 3 people is all it takes to make a gang

[femun]

Part of temple street's hood is in Historic Filipino Town.

[perongregory]

We've already said this millions of times, white ethnics started gang culture in America including LA, Mexicans came in and added alot but not all of that culture was straight CHicano. White fence and all them old barrios weren't pachucos or cholos and all of that shit in no goddamn 1910's 1920's, the pachuco era is when we started to see the Mexican american gangster really define himself, and the pachuco era was influenced by black stylings from the east coast. The reason Mayugastank isn't taken seriously because he will give phillipinos (a small population) credit, ignore what whiteboys steal and do and have done to Mexicans and then go straight to blacks and try to tear blacks totally down. This is haterish sick behavior. CHicanos influenced the fuck out of blacks on the west coast, but so have blacks, and so have whites. Chicanos have listened to oldies, rap, funk, dressed in zoot suits, get fades, rappin, talk like blacks drive trucks w 20's and up on em, hip hop tagging, etc. that blacks have brought from east coast and originated here but Mayuga lies and says nah, I doubt that a purto rican did it, a filipino did it. That's BS. hell even famed chicano artist chaz bojorquez said he got the calavera design partly from superfly and other black gangster underworld type looks at the time.

Again, white ethnics started the gangs, chicanos moved in put a whole bunch into it, blacks took it to another level and then started borrowing definitely but from then on blacks and mexicans have been trading culture and that's the real truth.

[ViciousRidah]

We've already said this millions of times, white ethnics started gang culture in America including LA, Mexicans came in and added alot but not all of that culture was straight CHicano. White fence and all them old barrios weren't pachucos or cholos and all of that shit in no goddamn 1910's 1920's, the pachuco era is when we started to see the Mexican american gangster really define himself, and the pachuco era was influenced by black stylings from the east coast. The reason Mayugastank isn't taken seriously because he will give phillipinos (a small population) credit, ignore what whiteboys steal and do and have done to Mexicans and then go straight to blacks and try to tear blacks totally down. This is haterish sick behavior. CHicanos influenced the fu-- out of blacks on the west coast, but so have blacks, and so have whites. Chicanos have listened to oldies, rap, funk, dressed in zoot suits, get fades, rappin, talk like blacks drive trucks w 20's and up on em, hip hop tagging, etc. that blacks have brought from east coast and originated here but Mayuga lies and says nah, I doubt that a purto rican did it, a filipino did it. That's BS. hell even famed chicano artist chaz bojorquez said he got the calavera design partly from superfly and other black gangster underworld type looks at the time.

Again, white ethnics started the gangs, chicanos moved in put a whole bunch into it, blacks took it to another level and then started borrowing definitely but from then on blacks and mexicans have been trading culture and that's the real truth.

I think you guys are having a problem understanding that there was never an en masse migration from the east coast to west coast,only from the South to the West Coast .Plus a lot of the stylings of black culture started in the 1920s in the south from the playas and pimps.

[ViciousRidah]

We've already said this millions of times, white ethnics started gang culture in America including LA, Mexicans came in and added alot but not all of that culture was straight CHicano. White fence and all them old barrios weren't pachucos or cholos and all of that shit in no goddamn 1910's 1920's, the pachuco era is when we started to see the Mexican american gangster really define himself, and the pachuco era was influenced by black stylings from the east coast. The reason Mayugastank isn't taken seriously because he will give phillipinos (a small population) credit, ignore what whiteboys steal and do and have done to Mexicans and then go straight to blacks and try to tear blacks totally down. This is haterish sick behavior. CHicanos influenced the fu-- out of blacks on the west coast, but so have blacks, and so have whites. Chicanos have listened to oldies, rap, funk, dressed in zoot suits, get fades, rappin, talk like blacks drive trucks w 20's and up on em, hip hop tagging, etc. that blacks have brought from east coast and originated here but Mayuga lies and says nah, I doubt that a purto rican did it, a filipino did it. That's BS. hell even famed chicano artist chaz bojorquez said he got the calavera design partly from superfly and other black gangster underworld type looks at the time.

Again, white ethnics started the gangs, chicanos moved in put a whole bunch into it, blacks took it to another level and then started borrowing definitely but from then on blacks and mexicans have been trading culture and that's the real truth.

I think you guys are having a problem understanding that there was never an en masse migration from the east coast to west coast,only from the South to the West Coast .Plus a lot of the stylings of black culture started in the 1920s in the south from the playas and pimps.

Places like Chit Town,Detroit,LA,and Oakland all manifested their own unique style from scratch from living there for decades.