race war: blacks vs mexicans PART 2

[TheReal]

*My response to El:

-The problem is that Latin Americans are raised in a post colonial world with a post colonial mentality. While the "Chicano" and other indigenista movements challenge this, what happens in the United States is that things go the other extreme......I mean, from my experience, looking "Spanish"....having wavy dark brown hair and white skin, looking more "Italian" or "Greek" to people that "Hispanic" has given me more than a few smirks and remarks from those who try to put everything Native American on a pedestal......so the racism goes both ways.

In a way I think its like payback for them.....in that in their countries, they'd be looked down on for being Indian....

In Latin America there is the term Latinoamericanismo, which came about during the times of Bolivar, San Martin, etc......and what it referred to was the common struggle of Latin America to overcome colonialism and its associated mindset......and it viewed all peoples of the continent as the same in that they all share the common struggle.....These days, the view is manifested by the Latin American left....

For the most part, the Mexicans in the US are out of touch with reality.....both American as well as Latin American reality.....they live in their own little world....

Education is the key......and not only to learn but to act on what we learn....

Fidel Castro once said that Cuba is a beautiful mulata dressed as a Taina princess......it reflects the nature of not only Cuba but Latin America in general...a beauty that comes about due to the sorrows of the past....slavery, colonialism, genocide, but that the end product somehow works.......

But then you have to understand something, most of the Latin Americans here are economic refugees....when people are worrying about bare survival they really don't have time to pursue more.....so they have a very limited worldview...

*I hear ya'!

[jesuschrist]

mangler its not the HISPANIC FAMILY VALUE SYSTEM, its the younger generations. Again if none of you have ever been to jail, then how are you gonna speak on it? There is no alliance with whites in jail. Period! Ese's in the joint have a working relationship with them. Not to long ago, ese's and white boyz were goin at it cause some ese's rat packed some snitch. And you quoteing ice cube who keeps his ass in hiding and ain't never banged on the street?..lol..homie you need more substance then that. There are a lot of Chicanos/Hispanics/Ese's/Mexicans that are cool with the brothers. But then you have people like stone talking shyt about spilling beans on the street, what do you think is gonna be me or someone elses reaction? Like I said before, if you know that ese's are racists and you know it is MAINLY towards black gangs, then why join a gang? It's simple, don't get involved. There are plenty of good, hard working Latinos in the Los that have respect for everyone, no matter what color. Anyways homeboy, alrato...

Its a little more than a working relationship between the EME and teh whiteboyz.....They share power -drug money and I have documented proof of at least 4 murders committed by the AB for the EME and at least 2 whiteboys killed by the EME as a favor for the AB...this is just what i could look up and find.The AB trial for conspiracy had at least 2 documented MM members facing trial along with 20 of the top shot callers of the AB-the MM members were responsible for several assaults on blacks (1 murder) DC BLACKS GANG.The most infamous convict in the federal system THOMAS SILVERSTEIN -killed a member of the DC BLACKS as a favor to the MM.I could go on and on-but to say a mere working relationship is at hand with whites and mexicans is Bull-they are actively working in unision in the federal prisons especially were the MM and SUR arent as deep as in Cali-and they need the white boys-so it goes both ways

[jesuschrist]

In response to Slim:

-The Real:

-Despite everything you have written (it shows that you are an intelligent, well read young man) you did not understand the core of my statement. My first paragraph ended by me stating that Blacks and Mexicans needed to find peace and unity within themselves...........

*I didn't disagree with that statement! Where did I imply that I had a disagreement with that statement? Furthermore, none of what I said compromised your belief, neither does it take away, and dissipate my positions!

-Your comments (very looooonnng) are appreciated and does provoke some thought, but you are showing that you have issues with Hispanics (and based upon your ancestrage YOURSELF!!).

*No, I don't have issues with hispanics based on my ancestral heritage. Now you're beginning to falsely psychoanalyze me. Trust me, my father was a black, black, black, black CUBAN, with tight kinky hair, and strong african features, whereas my mother was part black, with her father being part native american and white-yet she referred to herself as black, as did my father! So I can understand you thinking that way, however, it is not the case.

Fact of the matter is, regardless of whether you're right, or wrong, in your assessments of my motivations, IT STILL DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM MY ARGUMENTS, nor does it detract, or sway me from my position!

-I am a Black man! There is nothing about me African.

*The fact that you're black, only tells me you have african heritage. When I use the term "african diaspora", I'm referring to those individuals whose ancestors come from africa, or those individuals whose ancestors were brought over to the western hemisphere, in order to be sold and utilized as chattel, from africa. I understand the codified definition of the word "black", I'm no fool. In a lot of ways, I've been there, and done that, in regards to this angle of the conversation.

-I am of Black American and Native American heritage (sisters love it).

*Good for you!

-Go to Africa and see what the native Africans call you???????

*I don't need to go back to Africa, in order to "see what the native Africans call" me! Why? Because it's still not going to detract from the fact that we are people of african descent, as well as of the diaspora!! I know black folks that look like Denzel Washington, or Angela Bassett, whose part native-american, and have even told native-americans these things, whereby the native-americans had rejected them.

In the end, it doesn't matter whether these native americans rejected these black folks, with indigenous ancestry, what really mattered, and does matter, is the fact that they did have native-american ancestry, despite what anyone, including native americans, thought!

-This subject is Blacks vs. Mexicans......correct???????

*Uh...that's what I thought...

-My point is that this type of made up war is already happening (in prison, on certain neighborhoods, schools, political arenas such as Lynwood, CPT.etc.). This war will never expand as some expect (the entire Black race vs. all Mexicans). It will never happen in the gang sense either (as I stated all SA's do not listen to what those old f*cks in prison say.

*That's not true. I have mexican homies who are surenos, and they give the opposite story. Man, there's been murders that have been ordered from prison, onto the civilian gang population that have been carried out. As a matter of fact, some mexican heads in prison ordered surenos to fight and war with black gangs, and not to touch the white gangs and their meager territory, as well fight with their fellow sureno brothers: well, most of them.

As a matter of fact, I'm not going any further with this topic, because of personal reasons. In other words, if you want to live in that world, where the prison code, doesn't play out in the streets in regards to many surenos gangs, then go right on ahead believe this. Right now I've said too much already, so Ima move on!

-And we know that black gangs stopped listening to the prison guerillas decades ago).

*Who are you telling???!!

-We are simply two different groups, two different cultures competing for the same piece of pie.

*That's a simple, yet complex way of putting it...but see, I'm not worried about pie, and who has the larger numbers. What I'm discussing is far more penetrating than the numbers game, and the size of a pie, or gang warfare. Trust me, it's a lot deeper...

- It is not even that big a piece.

*Okay, what's the point?

-I am an LA native (all 31 years of my life).

*Okay...

-And I have associates of nearly every ethnicity.

*So do I...

-I am a Black man that for most of his life fit the profile that Amerikkka has had for all young Black men. The reasons that I mentioned as to Mexican hate are real. Hell, they are the same reasons why Black people do not like their own kind sometimes.

*Regardless of whether there are blacks that hate other black people, or mexicans that hate their own kind, or what have you-the fact that in the end, despite blacks hating on blacks, we are still be hated from without. And as we deal with our own self-hate issues amongst ourselves, we cannot be blinded to the hate that's penetrating our walls from without. Black people in this country have always had to fight on two fronts, and from the looks of things, it's not going anywhere, any time soon.

-We are a people (Black) that have over 650+ billion in spending power in this country (more then most of the world). If we get the right leadership and the right motivation, we are unstoppable.

*I have no argument with that!

-We should not waste our time thinking about race wars when our own house (as a race) is not yet in order.

*I think we have to be multifarious on the war front. In the military (the army, which is the branch I was in) you have folks that are pencil pushers, computer geeks, and air traffic controllers. They served a function, mostly administrative and security. Then you had those who were footsoldiers, who lived by their rifles, and weaponry given to them, because they served a function as well. Folks who join the army, or marines, are introduced to thousands of jobs, wherewith to choose from. These branches of the military realize that not everyone can be a computer engineer, air traffic controller, medic, infantry soldier or an MP!

Oh hell no! These branches of the military realize that these folks have to choose their own battlefield, in order to work on behalf of the greater good of the service.

Likewise, I do agree with straightening out our own house. I for one believe in having the capability of walking and chewing gum, at the same time, as well as choosing your own battlefield in the struggle. It would be ridiculous, and the height of stupidity, for an army serviceman/ or woman, to look at their fellow army serviceman/woman, and say that your function in the cause of the service is illegitimate, just because you choose to be an engineer, or a computer, instead of picking up a weapon-and vice-versa. Some folks are needed to be counselors, others technical wizards, whereas others are just needed JUST TO SLAY THE ENEMY.

This is the same for individual black folks, and the weapons they so choose in the struggle.



Just read over some of my posts, where I've stated that we must deal with the predators from within, as well as without, or other remarks that weren't all too complimentary of black folks. However, I do feel that even though the position you hold about taking care of our own house is legitimate, I ALSO FEEL MINE IS WELL!!

Whether you want to view blacks as having to be in a war (and it doesn't have to physical), let it be known, that it will come a time when what I'm saying will ring more true than what many blacks are willing to admit. You see, I pray that you're right, however I strongly feel that time will bear me out to be right in the end.

You take the "high" road, I'll take the "low" road, yet in the end, we both want what's best for black people. Both of are approaches are legit, however, both sides need to be considered-regardless of whether you can appreciate my position, or not.

-Understand however, if the Mexicans wanted to ride on us for being Black, then I would gladly return the favor without hesitation.

*I'm glad to hear you have the spirit of a soldier. Hopefully, that will never have to occur, and that my positions will inevitably prove to be frivolous, however, if what I'm saying is true (and I believe that future history will, as well as the present history [you just have to know where to look] will justify my positions)-as I said before, so say I now again, PREPARE FOR THE COMING STORM!

Lastly, in closing, remember-just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean I don't understand where you're coming from: and that goes for sondoobie, alonso, wcrockets, etc. Disagreements are not always based on ignorance from one side, rather legitimate concerns.

I read every word you posted the last several comments-it was a long read but well worth it.Here are some responses I have come up with and things I have studied and viewed personally with my own eyes on mexican views towards blacks and vice versa,one thing I noticed your comments were lacking a solution to the problem-you mentioned armed militias and I felt that it would only exasperate a situation thats already on the boiling point-you also fail to adequately address historically the racism and violence your people have sowed on the latino community especially in LA-in their early days as new immigrants in the USA and how that treatment affects the current situation.Which is one of the reasons why mexicans have aligned with whites instead of with blacks and why most racial minorities have done the same.Blacks had an oppurtunity to reach out and treat their new neighbors with respect and dignity but they chose to sow the seeds in the conflict of today -by their treatment of latinos-jacking robberies ..etc.Dont outright dismiss the way a robbery or beatdown by a gang of blacks can affect a family -especially a latino one were familial ties are stressed.After all how many black people of recent do you know that were burned out of town or lynched by the KKK?yet the black anger towards them is still very prevelant -It wasnt long ago that blacks made up the majority of prisoners and gang memebers in LA-you over and over stress the fact that their are more latinos in gangs then blacks but you fail to mention that latinos proportion to gangs are substantially less then blacks -were blacks make up a smaller percentage of the population but commit a disproportionate amount of crime it creates a sense that all blacks are criminals and all blacks are robbing mexicans.Im not saying it trues but perceptions are relevant in this conversation.Most latinos today (except for aztlan fanatics) dont think of the plague delivered upon their families by europeans -its a distant memory-and one most latinos have no especially strong fealings for those memories-blacks still harbor strong feelings of slavery and injustice- an although the sitaution was unjust it really doesnt affect latinos because it didnt happen to us-just like the holocaust doesnt affect blacks(several prominent blacks have made anti-semitic remarks)-so your asking us to relate to your struggles isnt gonna go anywere.....................ill be back later with more

[perongregory]

Its the gang shit that started the violence, so the violence, if it's gonna persist, should stay amongst the gangs. Actin as if all blacksand Mexicans are G's and eses is fucked up and shows that muthafuckas who treat people as such are sick.

[jesuschrist]

To young nile, it also makes my blood boil man. It's like this mexicans are taking prison politics and all that race BS and bringing it to the street. It's like they can't differenciate between prison life and life outside the prison walls u now what a mean. For me it's all good u know, if you want to play like that, but let the brothers know so that it is at list out in the open, but it's when they play politics and say no we don't hate blacks and they try and cover it up that gets to me u know. Because right now alot of blacks are really starting to realise that there is a problem and I am not talking about gang members but normal everyday black folks. I hate doing this but i feel like i have to say this things because of all the things I have seen and the things that I have heard. As a younger man, I also thaught mexicans were in the same boat has us but as I grew up, I came to the realization that we really aren't in the same boat and that is the plain and simple truth.

MAN YOU MAKE IT SOUND AS IF MXICANS ARE SOME SNEAKY NO-GOOD 2 FACED LIARS....BASICALLY SAYING WE ARE ON SOME SHIT WERE WE SAY WE DONT HATE BLACKS BUT DO THE SHIT IN SECRET!FIRST OFF SURENOS -IN PRISON HATE BLACKS AND MAKE NO BONES ABOUT IT-THEY ISSUED A GREEN LIGHT ON ALL BLACKS AND HAVE BEEN PRETTY OUT IN THE OPEN WITH IT-1.BY ATTCKING BLACKS IN PRISON 2.BY ALLIANCES WITH THE WHITE BOYZ 3. BY KILLING MEXICANS WHO ACT BLACK IN PRISON 4. BY RE-INSTATING JIM CROW IN PRISON AMONGST SURENOS. 5. BY ACTIVELY CAUSING FRICTION IN HOODS -(IE AVENUES..A DIRECT ORDER FROM A MEMBER OF THE MM)...WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO TO GET YOU TO BELIEVE THEY HAVE DECLARED WAR?I FIND IT FAR FROM SNEAKY TO ACTIVELY ENGAGE IN WAR AND ISSUE A DECLARATION OF WAR -YET YOU ARE AS THE UNITED STATES WAS BEFORE 9-11..........NOW THIS THING WAR OR WHATEVER CAN GO 2 WAYS---BLACKS CAN ACCEPT IT AND TARGET THE PERPRETATORS OF THE WAR(SURENOS-THE MM) OR THEY CAN GET READY FOR AN ENTIRE WAR WITH THE LATINO POPULATION

[jesuschrist]

Well stated wcrockets. The real has some valid points but like you said he just takes things to the extreme and ends up alienating others.

He argues that hispanics or latinos are 'silent' about racism in their own ranks, but that is simply not true as state raised and sam doobie would be the first ones here (and have for that matter) checked on posters for their ignorance. Real seems to only take examples that suit his agendas. He can go to a website and look at what some ignoramuses wrote about blacks and whatnot, but how is that representative of anybody?

I remember back in the mid 90's, many asian immigrant families were viciously harrased in the housing projects up in the Bay Area. I'm not talking about straight name calling, I'm talking about assaults and property damage, being intimidated to the point that they were forced to move out. Some even had the gall to say that it wasn't racist or hateful in nature. Did I see the black gang members who lived in that area speak out against this hate crime, or the black politicians? No I didn't.

Or an even better example, the L.A. riots. I posted this out previously, but EME higher ups (from a newspaper article I read) were particularly incensed that black gangs were indiscriminately beating up latino civilians out on the streets. I don't recall the mayor of L.A. calling for an end to the hate crimes committed by black gang members against innocent civilians. I might also mention, on the flip side, that many black civilians risked their own lives to protect the lives of latinos, whites, asians, during the riots.

I'm not the biggest expert on gangs/gang politics, but it has to be more than coincidence that race relations between black and latino gangs got worse since the riots and have never improved. A lot of it has to do with power and money, and this had to have solidified gangs based on racial lines.

IPERSONALLY SAW VIDEOTAPE OF THE LA RIOTS WERE MEXICANS WERE BEING PULLED OUT THEIR CARS AND STRIPED BY BLACKS MOBBED ON AND BEAT DOWN BY A 100 TO 1 ODDS--I CAN TELL YOU IT WAS LIKE A LIGHTBULB WENT OFF AND I HAVE NEVER -EVER FELT THE SAME ABOUT BLACKS

[perongregory]

Well stated wcrockets. The real has some valid points but like you said he just takes things to the extreme and ends up alienating others.

He argues that hispanics or latinos are 'silent' about racism in their own ranks, but that is simply not true as state raised and sam doobie would be the first ones here (and have for that matter) checked on posters for their ignorance. Real seems to only take examples that suit his agendas. He can go to a website and look at what some ignoramuses wrote about blacks and whatnot, but how is that representative of anybody?

I remember back in the mid 90's, many asian immigrant families were viciously harrased in the housing projects up in the Bay Area. I'm not talking about straight name calling, I'm talking about assaults and property damage, being intimidated to the point that they were forced to move out. Some even had the gall to say that it wasn't racist or hateful in nature. Did I see the black gang members who lived in that area speak out against this hate crime, or the black politicians? No I didn't.

Or an even better example, the L.A. riots. I posted this out previously, but EME higher ups (from a newspaper article I read) were particularly incensed that black gangs were indiscriminately beating up latino civilians out on the streets. I don't recall the mayor of L.A. calling for an end to the hate crimes committed by black gang members against innocent civilians. I might also mention, on the flip side, that many black civilians risked their own lives to protect the lives of latinos, whites, asians, during the riots.

I'm not the biggest expert on gangs/gang politics, but it has to be more than coincidence that race relations between black and latino gangs got worse since the riots and have never improved. A lot of it has to do with power and money, and this had to have solidified gangs based on racial lines.

IPERSONALLY SAW VIDEOTAPE OF THE LA RIOTS WERE MEXICANS WERE BEING PULLED OUT THEIR CARS AND STRIPED BY BLACKS MOBBED ON AND BEAT DOWN BY A 100 TO 1 ODDS--I CAN TELL YOU IT WAS LIKE A LIGHTBULB WENT OFF AND I HAVE NEVER -EVER FELT THE SAME ABOUT BLACKS

that was in the past like you say...I've seen videos where bangers was goin after mexicans they thought were white and other blacks saying naw they mexican, they cool. and if you can remember the riots where some idiots were fuckin up people, why cant you remeber the zoot suit riots when whites were whoopin mexican ass like it wasn't anything and there were blacks taken mexicans in their home to help them out. Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why can everyone else in the world fuck with your people, but if black criminals do some bad shit the entire black population deserves to be erased? You have a selective and sick memory.

[jesuschrist]

Hello all,

This is an interesting and good discussion because it's really tragic on all sides. Again, I must re-iterate that I have no gang affiliations, I just used to have friends a long time ago that were into gangs and I lived in Southern California in the past, so these things I have an interest in.

I don't profess to know everything so please correct me if I speak wrongly, but there were some things I read in the past and would like more clarification on.

In regards to this original topic, growing up in the 80's I hardly ever heard about widespread Black/Mexican racial conflicts. I'm not saying they didn't happen but it seemed like out on the streets gangs pretty much kept things under control. It seems like the L.A. riots was a turning point. After that things got worse and worse.

I remember reading a newspaper article in one of the major San Francisco newspapers back in 1996. They were interviewing a gang leader and he was discussing the issue of rising Black/Mexican gang violence. Apparently some of the EME higher ups were particularly incensed that Black gangs (8 tre??) were beating up innocent Latino civilians during the riots. We all remember those shocking images of gang members assaulting people out on the street. I think after that, things were never the same, and it just added one level of animosity to others that were already there (factors already mentioned such as growing Latino population vs. Black population, gang rivalries, the rising strength and influence of prison gangs, etc. etc.).

I'm sure both sides feel as if the other are the one's to blame, that the other side unfairly targets civilians and whatnot. I think it goes both ways, but it has spiraled out of control so much and has gone on for so long that people honestly don't know who started what. This debate can also be applied to other racial conflicts (TRG vs. ESL, etc.).

I also read not too long ago that Illinois (Chicago?) is having the same racial problems with their gang conflicts, that Hispanic gangs there are targetting Black gangs and vice versa that has spilled over onto civilian lines.

What I find most tragic is the inability of the mainstream media to pay more attention to this problem. It seems that if White people are not involved, no one cares a hoot what race kills or butchers the other. I care.

ALOT OF IT THIS RACIAL WAR WAS RANDOM LIL INCIDENTS HERE AND THERE-FIRST IN SOUTHxLOS VERSUS HOOVER -THEN VENICE 13 VERSUS SHORELINES-THEN LONGOS VERSUS ALL BLACK GANGS-THEN COMPTON AND ON AND ON AND ON....ITS BEEN SAID ON HERE THAT THE RIOTS LED TO ALOT OF IT AND SEEING BLACKS ATTACK MEXICANS WAS JUST THE FUEL FOR THE FIRE THAT THE EME NEEDED TO LIGHT THE SHIT OFF-ALOT OF CHOLOS ALREADY HAD THE RACIST ATTITUDE AS THEY VIEWED BLACK GANGS AS PHONY-DIRTY-AND NOT AS CLASSLY AS CHOLOS WHO WORE THE PENDLETONS AND WERE ROLLING IN THE DOPE $$-TRIBILISM AND RACIAL PRIDE ALSO HAVE ALOT TO DO WITH IT-EXPLOTATION BY THE EME WHO WERE EXTREME RACISTS-IN LINE WITH SKINHEADS AND THE KKK-AND THOSE FEW GANGSTERS WHO WERE ALSO THINKING THAT WAY-I REMEMBER THE PEACE TREATYS DURING THE 90S AND HOW UNITING MEXICANS WAS TALKED ABOUT.IF THEY WANTED TO UNITE MEXICANS THEY (MM)HAD TO GIVE THEM AN ENEMY INSTEAD OF THE ONE THEY HAD-SO BLACKS WERE CHOSEN TO BEAR THE FRUIT OF OUR FIRE-ITS LIKE THE CARTOONS WERE 2 MORTAL ENEMIES UNITE FOR A MINUTE TO FIGHT A COMMON ENEMY(BLACKS)--NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE SANTA MONICA AND VENICE WERE CLICKING UP PUTTING THEIR PAST BS BEHIND THEM AND MAKING IT RACIAL-SO WERE THE LONGOS-THEY EVENTUALLY WOULD CLICK UP WITH THEIR WORST ENEMIES TO BASH NON MEXICANS---WHEN YOU TOOK PETTY HOOD BEEF AND MADE PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR THEIR FAMILIES -THEIR CULTURE -THEIR RACE IT MADE THE WHOLE ISSUE THAT MUCH MORE SERIOUS-AN ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING OF A MEXICAN WHO LOOKED GANG REATED BUT WASNT WAS NOW VIEWED AS AN ATTACK ON THE WHOLE MEXICAN POPULATION-EVEN THOUGH OTHER MEXICANS WERE DOING IT FOR YEARS .NOW THAT BLACKS WERE IT WAS A RACE WAR-THE ENEMIES WERENT VIEWED AS HUMAN AS MEXICANS WERE SO DOING JUST ABOUT ANYTHING TO PUT THEM IN THEIR PLACE WAS ACCEPTABLE-JUST MY VIEWS AND I THINK THEY PRETTY ACCURATE

[jesuschrist]

Well stated wcrockets. The real has some valid points but like you said he just takes things to the extreme and ends up alienating others.

He argues that hispanics or latinos are 'silent' about racism in their own ranks, but that is simply not true as state raised and sam doobie would be the first ones here (and have for that matter) checked on posters for their ignorance. Real seems to only take examples that suit his agendas. He can go to a website and look at what some ignoramuses wrote about blacks and whatnot, but how is that representative of anybody?

I remember back in the mid 90's, many asian immigrant families were viciously harrased in the housing projects up in the Bay Area. I'm not talking about straight name calling, I'm talking about assaults and property damage, being intimidated to the point that they were forced to move out. Some even had the gall to say that it wasn't racist or hateful in nature. Did I see the black gang members who lived in that area speak out against this hate crime, or the black politicians? No I didn't.

Or an even better example, the L.A. riots. I posted this out previously, but EME higher ups (from a newspaper article I read) were particularly incensed that black gangs were indiscriminately beating up latino civilians out on the streets. I don't recall the mayor of L.A. calling for an end to the hate crimes committed by black gang members against innocent civilians. I might also mention, on the flip side, that many black civilians risked their own lives to protect the lives of latinos, whites, asians, during the riots.

I'm not the biggest expert on gangs/gang politics, but it has to be more than coincidence that race relations between black and latino gangs got worse since the riots and have never improved. A lot of it has to do with power and money, and this had to have solidified gangs based on racial lines.

IPERSONALLY SAW VIDEOTAPE OF THE LA RIOTS WERE MEXICANS WERE BEING PULLED OUT THEIR CARS AND STRIPED BY BLACKS MOBBED ON AND BEAT DOWN BY A 100 TO 1 ODDS--I CAN TELL YOU IT WAS LIKE A LIGHTBULB WENT OFF AND I HAVE NEVER -EVER FELT THE SAME ABOUT BLACKS

that was in the past like you say...I've seen videos where bangers was goin after mexicans they thought were white and other blacks saying naw they mexican, they cool. and if you can remember the riots where some idiots were fuckin up people, why cant you remeber the zoot suit riots when whites were whoopin mexican ass like it wasn't anything and there were blacks taken mexicans in their home to help them out. Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why can everyone else in the world fu-- with your people, but if black criminals do some bad shit the entire black population deserves to be erased? You have a selective and sick memory.

LOOK DUDE I WASNT AROUND DURING THE ZOOT SUIT RIOTS -NOR IS THERE RECENT VIDEO POSTED ON YOU TUBE ABOUT IT-WHAT I DO REMEBER AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS BLACK MOBS PULLING SOME MEXICAN GUY OUT HIS CAR AND ABOUT A 100 OF THEM CHASING HIM DOWN THE STREET-AND I REMEBER LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY A GROUP OF BLACKS KNOCKING SOME MEXICAN GUY OUT AND PAINTING HIS FACE BLACK WITH SPRAYPAINT-FOR SOME REASON YOU FEEL I SHOULD JUDGE WHITES FOR WHAT THEY DID A 100 YRS AGO EVEN THOUGH I WASNT AROUND AND PERSONALLY WHITES HAVE NEVER DONE SHIT TO ME OR ANYONE IN MY FAMILY-THERE ARENT NO RECENT ATTACKS ON MEXICANS BY DOZENS OF WHITE YOUTH -LIKE IN PASADENA-AND I DEFINETLY HAVENT SEEN WHITE MOBS PULL MEXICANS OUT THEIR RIDES AND SPRAYPAINT THEM WHITE-YOUR A FOOL -I DONT EVEN KNOW WHY YOU JUDGING ME -IM JUSTIFIED!YOUR PEOPLE WERE WRONG AND NOW THAT MY PEOPLE ARE SERVING YOURS THE SAME SHIT YOU DID TO US YOU WANNA CALL RACISM AND SHIT! WHAT THE FUCK YOU THINK THOSE BLACKS ATTACKING THAT MEXICAN WERE THINKING>?IT WASNT RACIAL?I PERSONALLY WITH MY OWN EYES SAW SOME SHIT DURING THE RIOT THAT I WILL ALWAYS HOLD BLACKS ACCOUNTABLE FOR-I REMEBER SOME WHITE OLDER BUM IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE GETTING MASHED AND SEEING HIS HEAD CRACKED OPEN--ALTHOUGH HE WAS WHITE I FELT FOR HIM -AND FELT A UNITY WITH HIS PLIGHT AS A FELLOW HUMAN BEING-BUT I DONT REALLY FEEL TO BAD FOR WHATS GOING DOWN WITH BLACKS AND I FEEL IT IS REASONABLE AND KARMA LIKE A MOTHERFUCKA-PEACE

[Tre]

Well stated wcrockets. The real has some valid points but like you said he just takes things to the extreme and ends up alienating others.

He argues that hispanics or latinos are 'silent' about racism in their own ranks, but that is simply not true as state raised and sam doobie would be the first ones here (and have for that matter) checked on posters for their ignorance. Real seems to only take examples that suit his agendas. He can go to a website and look at what some ignoramuses wrote about blacks and whatnot, but how is that representative of anybody?

I remember back in the mid 90's, many asian immigrant families were viciously harrased in the housing projects up in the Bay Area. I'm not talking about straight name calling, I'm talking about assaults and property damage, being intimidated to the point that they were forced to move out. Some even had the gall to say that it wasn't racist or hateful in nature. Did I see the black gang members who lived in that area speak out against this hate crime, or the black politicians? No I didn't.

Or an even better example, the L.A. riots. I posted this out previously, but EME higher ups (from a newspaper article I read) were particularly incensed that black gangs were indiscriminately beating up latino civilians out on the streets. I don't recall the mayor of L.A. calling for an end to the hate crimes committed by black gang members against innocent civilians. I might also mention, on the flip side, that many black civilians risked their own lives to protect the lives of latinos, whites, asians, during the riots.

I'm not the biggest expert on gangs/gang politics, but it has to be more than coincidence that race relations between black and latino gangs got worse since the riots and have never improved. A lot of it has to do with power and money, and this had to have solidified gangs based on racial lines.

IPERSONALLY SAW VIDEOTAPE OF THE LA RIOTS WERE MEXICANS WERE BEING PULLED OUT THEIR CARS AND STRIPED BY BLACKS MOBBED ON AND BEAT DOWN BY A 100 TO 1 ODDS--I CAN TELL YOU IT WAS LIKE A LIGHTBULB WENT OFF AND I HAVE NEVER -EVER FELT THE SAME ABOUT BLACKS

that was in the past like you say...I've seen videos where bangers was goin after mexicans they thought were white and other blacks saying naw they mexican, they cool. and if you can remember the riots where some idiots were fuckin up people, why cant you remeber the zoot suit riots when whites were whoopin mexican ass like it wasn't anything and there were blacks taken mexicans in their home to help them out. Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why can everyone else in the world fu-- with your people, but if black criminals do some bad shit the entire black population deserves to be erased? You have a selective and sick memory.

LOOK DUDE I WASNT AROUND DURING THE ZOOT SUIT RIOTS -NOR IS THERE RECENT VIDEO POSTED ON YOU TUBE ABOUT IT-WHAT I DO REMEBER AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS BLACK MOBS PULLING SOME MEXICAN GUY OUT HIS CAR AND ABOUT A 100 OF THEM CHASING HIM DOWN THE STREET-AND I REMEBER LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY A GROUP OF BLACKS KNOCKING SOME MEXICAN GUY OUT AND PAINTING HIS FACE BLACK WITH SPRAYPAINT-FOR SOME REASON YOU FEEL I SHOULD JUDGE WHITES FOR WHAT THEY DID A 100 YRS AGO EVEN THOUGH I WASNT AROUND AND PERSONALLY WHITES HAVE NEVER DONE SHIT TO ME OR ANYONE IN MY FAMILY-THERE ARENT NO RECENT ATTACKS ON MEXICANS BY DOZENS OF WHITE YOUTH -LIKE IN PASADENA-AND I DEFINETLY HAVENT SEEN WHITE MOBS PULL MEXICANS OUT THEIR RIDES AND SPRAYPAINT THEM WHITE-YOUR A FOOL -I DONT EVEN KNOW WHY YOU JUDGING ME -IM JUSTIFIED!YOUR PEOPLE WERE WRONG AND NOW THAT MY PEOPLE ARE SERVING YOURS THE SAME SHIT YOU DID TO US YOU WANNA CALL RACISM AND SHIT! WHAT THE fu-- YOU THINK THOSE BLACKS ATTACKING THAT MEXICAN WERE THINKING>?IT WASNT RACIAL?I PERSONALLY WITH MY OWN EYES SAW SOME SHIT DURING THE RIOT THAT I WILL ALWAYS HOLD BLACKS ACCOUNTABLE FOR-I REMEBER SOME WHITE OLDER BUM IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE GETTING MASHED AND SEEING HIS HEAD CRACKED OPEN--ALTHOUGH HE WAS WHITE I FELT FOR HIM -AND FELT A UNITY WITH HIS PLIGHT AS A FELLOW HUMAN BEING-BUT I DONT REALLY FEEL TO BAD FOR WHATS GOING DOWN WITH BLACKS AND I FEEL IT IS REASONABLE AND KARMA LIKE A MOTHERFUCKA-PEACE

That same trucker you mentioned Reginald Denny was rescued by unarmed black people from that same neighborhood who left the safety of their own homes, to help this dude out... a Mexican!

It seems like you get most of your information from the idiot tube man, if you had lived through the riots man you would know that the looting and violence was done by both black and Hispanic males, in fact about 44% of the people arrested during the riots was Hispanic, and much of the looting was opportunistic.

http://www.streetgangs.com/billboard/vi ... ht=#189100

[perongregory]

Well stated wcrockets. The real has some valid points but like you said he just takes things to the extreme and ends up alienating others.

He argues that hispanics or latinos are 'silent' about racism in their own ranks, but that is simply not true as state raised and sam doobie would be the first ones here (and have for that matter) checked on posters for their ignorance. Real seems to only take examples that suit his agendas. He can go to a website and look at what some ignoramuses wrote about blacks and whatnot, but how is that representative of anybody?

I remember back in the mid 90's, many asian immigrant families were viciously harrased in the housing projects up in the Bay Area. I'm not talking about straight name calling, I'm talking about assaults and property damage, being intimidated to the point that they were forced to move out. Some even had the gall to say that it wasn't racist or hateful in nature. Did I see the black gang members who lived in that area speak out against this hate crime, or the black politicians? No I didn't.

Or an even better example, the L.A. riots. I posted this out previously, but EME higher ups (from a newspaper article I read) were particularly incensed that black gangs were indiscriminately beating up latino civilians out on the streets. I don't recall the mayor of L.A. calling for an end to the hate crimes committed by black gang members against innocent civilians. I might also mention, on the flip side, that many black civilians risked their own lives to protect the lives of latinos, whites, asians, during the riots.

I'm not the biggest expert on gangs/gang politics, but it has to be more than coincidence that race relations between black and latino gangs got worse since the riots and have never improved. A lot of it has to do with power and money, and this had to have solidified gangs based on racial lines.

IPERSONALLY SAW VIDEOTAPE OF THE LA RIOTS WERE MEXICANS WERE BEING PULLED OUT THEIR CARS AND STRIPED BY BLACKS MOBBED ON AND BEAT DOWN BY A 100 TO 1 ODDS--I CAN TELL YOU IT WAS LIKE A LIGHTBULB WENT OFF AND I HAVE NEVER -EVER FELT THE SAME ABOUT BLACKS

that was in the past like you say...I've seen videos where bangers was goin after mexicans they thought were white and other blacks saying naw they mexican, they cool. and if you can remember the riots where some idiots were fuckin up people, why cant you remeber the zoot suit riots when whites were whoopin mexican ass like it wasn't anything and there were blacks taken mexicans in their home to help them out. Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why can everyone else in the world fu-- with your people, but if black criminals do some bad shit the entire black population deserves to be erased? You have a selective and sick memory.

LOOK DUDE I WASNT AROUND DURING THE ZOOT SUIT RIOTS -NOR IS THERE RECENT VIDEO POSTED ON YOU TUBE ABOUT IT-WHAT I DO REMEBER AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS BLACK MOBS PULLING SOME MEXICAN GUY OUT HIS CAR AND ABOUT A 100 OF THEM CHASING HIM DOWN THE STREET-AND I REMEBER LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY A GROUP OF BLACKS KNOCKING SOME MEXICAN GUY OUT AND PAINTING HIS FACE BLACK WITH SPRAYPAINT-FOR SOME REASON YOU FEEL I SHOULD JUDGE WHITES FOR WHAT THEY DID A 100 YRS AGO EVEN THOUGH I WASNT AROUND AND PERSONALLY WHITES HAVE NEVER DONE SHIT TO ME OR ANYONE IN MY FAMILY-THERE ARENT NO RECENT ATTACKS ON MEXICANS BY DOZENS OF WHITE YOUTH -LIKE IN PASADENA-AND I DEFINETLY HAVENT SEEN WHITE MOBS PULL MEXICANS OUT THEIR RIDES AND SPRAYPAINT THEM WHITE-YOUR A FOOL -I DONT EVEN KNOW WHY YOU JUDGING ME -IM JUSTIFIED!YOUR PEOPLE WERE WRONG AND NOW THAT MY PEOPLE ARE SERVING YOURS THE SAME SHIT YOU DID TO US YOU WANNA CALL RACISM AND SHIT! WHAT THE fu-- YOU THINK THOSE BLACKS ATTACKING THAT MEXICAN WERE THINKING>?IT WASNT RACIAL?I PERSONALLY WITH MY OWN EYES SAW SOME SHIT DURING THE RIOT THAT I WILL ALWAYS HOLD BLACKS ACCOUNTABLE FOR-I REMEBER SOME WHITE OLDER BUM IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE GETTING MASHED AND SEEING HIS HEAD CRACKED OPEN--ALTHOUGH HE WAS WHITE I FELT FOR HIM -AND FELT A UNITY WITH HIS PLIGHT AS A FELLOW HUMAN BEING-BUT I DONT REALLY FEEL TO BAD FOR WHATS GOING DOWN WITH BLACKS AND I FEEL IT IS REASONABLE AND KARMA LIKE A MOTHERFUCKA-PEACE

That same trucker you mentioned Reginald Denny was rescued by unarmed black people from that same neighborhood who left the safety of their own homes, to help this dude out... a Mexican!

It seems like you get most of your information from the idiot tube man, if you had lived through the riots man you would know that the looting and violence was done by both black and Hispanic males, in fact about 44% of the people arrested during the riots was Hispanic, and much of the looting was opportunistic.

http://www.streetgangs.com/billboard/vi ... ht=#189100

He's just an idiot, cus the zoot suit riots weren't a hundred years ago, I can pull up plenty of articles of whites fuckin mexicans in the present (like those two boys in Texas who sodomized that mexican boy and made him drink some poisonous shit because they saw him with a white girl), And I was right there when the riots happened, right there, and Mexicans was gettin they loot on, that's why they were the majority of people arrested. He is just a bias, racist fag, talking about karma.

[TeeKay]

44% percent of the people arrested were hispanic in the riots, 42% black, the remainder being white and others.

[jesuschrist]

44% percent of the people arrested were hispanic in the riots, 42% black, the remainder being white and others.

DAM WHAT DOES ANY OF THAT SHIT GOT TO DO WITH THE MEXICANS THAT GOT HASSLED JACKED AND SPRAY PAINTED BLACK?BLACKS ONLY STOPPED FUCKING WITH MEXICANS IN THE LA RIOTS BECAUSE WE CAME OUT DEEP-DEEP!AND ALOT OF MEXICAN GANGSTERS WERE COMING OUT BANGING AND LOOTING -SO WHEN THE RIOTS FIRST HAPPENED AND IT WAS ALL BLACK AND THE PEOPLE GETTING BEAT WERE PAISAS -AVERAGE MEXICANS-LIKE MY DAD AND FAMILY MEMBERS -NON GANG RELATED MEXICANS-COWBOYS--THATS THE PEOPLE YOUR PEOPLE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF!NOT ANYONE CAPABLEOF DEFENDING THEMSELVES-COWARDS!AND THE ONLY DAM REASON MEXICANS WERENT MOBBED ON MORE WAS CUZ WE CAME OUT DEEP AND UNAFRAID-SO BEATING US DOWN LIKE YALL DID THE ASIANS WASNT AN OPTION ANYMORE-DONT ACT LIKE WE WERE IN IT TOGETHER CUZ YOU BASTARDS WERENT DOING IT LIKE THAT IN THE BEGINING-FREAKING SHIT ON NATIONAL NEWS -BEATING DOWN SOME MEXICANS AND SPRAY PAINTING HIM BLACK -FUCK YOU ALL!NOW YOU COWARDS ARE OUTNUMBERED AND TRYNA COVER THE SHIT UP CUZ THE HOMIES SERVING YOULL-AND YOU TRYNA PAINT IT LIKE WE WAS ALL IN IT TOGETHER -WHAT BS!IVE POSTED SEVERAL ARTICLES AND HOMICIDES ON THIS BLACK AND LATINO WAR -AND MEXICANS ARE BY FAR AND LARGE PAYING BLACKS BACK FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DID IN THAT RIOT -KARAMA-KARMA-KARMA!!!SEEMSLIKE YOU GUYS HAVE SELECTIVE MEMORY----NOT ME-I LIVED THRU IT AND WAS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT---THIS GUY TRYS PAINTING REGINALD DENNY RESCUER AS NOBLE FOR HELPING HIM AFTER HE GOT HIS BRAIN BASHED IN AND LEFT RETARDED---WOW!! NOW BLACKS ARE JUSTIFYING THAT POOR WHITE MANS ATTACK BY CLAIMING HIS RESCUERS WERE BLACK????!!!!!!WTF ? HIS ATTCKERS WERE BLACK ALSO--DONT YOU REMEMBER THE JOYS OF GLEEAND THE DANCING IN THE STREET BY THOSE ANIMALS AS THEY BASHED THAT POOR MANS HEAD IN ?IT MADE ME SICK -MANY MEXICANS WHO WERE WHITE LOOKING WERE ALSO ATTCKED-AND FOR SOME REASON ITS WRONG TO PAY YOU GUYS BACK/GO READ MY ARTICLES ABOUT THE RECENT MURDERS COMMITTED AGAINST BLACKS BY LATINOS AND TELL ME IT DOESNT PISS YOU OFF.>>NOW TRY WATCHING THAT SHIT LIVE AND HAVE BLACKS LAUGH AS THEY PAINTED MY RAZAS FACE BLACK ---FORGET YOU MAN YOUR DELIRIOUS!YOUR GETTING YOURS THOUGH SO ITS ALL GRAVY

[Tre]

DAM WHAT DOES ANY OF THAT SHIT GOT TO DO WITH THE MEXICANS THAT GOT HASSLED JACKED AND SPRAY PAINTED BLACK? .

You take shit to the extreme man, a bunch of Mexicans was not getting spray painted black! There was one dude that got spray painted and he was Guatemalan, not excusing what happened but at least get your facts straight!

BLACKS ONLY STOPPED #%@&#%@ WITH MEXICANS IN THE LA RIOTS BECAUSE WE CAME OUT DEEP-DEEP!AND ALOT OF MEXICAN GANGSTERS WERE COMING OUT BANGING AND LOOTING -SO WHEN THE RIOTS FIRST HAPPENED AND IT WAS ALL BLACK AND THE PEOPLE GETTING BEAT WERE PAISAS -AVERAGE MEXICANS-LIKE MY DAD AND FAMILY MEMBERS -NON GANG RELATED MEXICANS-COWBOYS--THATS THE PEOPLE YOUR PEOPLE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF!NOT ANYONE CAPABLEOF DEFENDING THEMSELVES-COWARDS!AND THE ONLY DAM REASON MEXICANS WERENT MOBBED ON MORE WAS because WE CAME OUT DEEP AND UNAFRAID-

South Central was predominately black, so I have no idea what you are talking about here. That Guatemalan dude wasn’t rescued by cops, or because Mexicans came out deep and shit! He was rescued because a black man was unafraid to use his body as a shield to cover this Guatemalan and protect him.

SO BEATING US DOWN LIKE YALL DID THE ASIANS WASNT AN OPTION ANYMORE-

Not only was the majority of rioters and looters arrested Latino, but the majority of looting in Koreatown was carried out by Latinos. Many Koreans was shocked because so many Latinos work for Korean American Businesses and industries.

DONT ACT LIKE WE WERE IN IT TOGETHER because YOU BASTARDS WERENT DOING IT LIKE THAT IN THE BEGINING-FREAKING SHIT ON NATIONAL NEWS -BEATING DOWN SOME MEXICANS AND SPRAY PAINTING HIM BLACK -fu-- YOU ALL!NOW YOU COWARDS ARE OUTNUMBERED AND TRYNA COVER THE SHIT UP because THE HOMIES SERVING YOULL-AND YOU TRYNA PAINT IT LIKE WE WAS ALL IN IT TOGETHER -WHAT BS!IVE POSTED SEVERAL ARTICLES AND HOMICIDES ON THIS BLACK AND LATINO WAR -AND MEXICANS ARE BY FAR AND LARGE PAYING BLACKS BACK FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DID IN THAT RIOT -KARAMA-KARMA-KARMA!!!

Mexicans are by far and large killing other Mexicans! So how are they paying Blacks back when they are killing each other?

www.streetgangs.com/billboard/viewtopic.php?t=39104

[jesuschrist]

DAM WHAT DOES ANY OF THAT SHIT GOT TO DO WITH THE MEXICANS THAT GOT HASSLED JACKED AND SPRAY PAINTED BLACK? .

You take shit to the extreme man, a bunch of Mexicans was not getting spray painted black! There was one dude that got spray painted and he was Guatemalan, not excusing what happened but at least get your facts straight!

BLACKS ONLY STOPPED #%@&#%@ WITH MEXICANS IN THE LA RIOTS BECAUSE WE CAME OUT DEEP-DEEP!AND ALOT OF MEXICAN GANGSTERS WERE COMING OUT BANGING AND LOOTING -SO WHEN THE RIOTS FIRST HAPPENED AND IT WAS ALL BLACK AND THE PEOPLE GETTING BEAT WERE PAISAS -AVERAGE MEXICANS-LIKE MY DAD AND FAMILY MEMBERS -NON GANG RELATED MEXICANS-COWBOYS--THATS THE PEOPLE YOUR PEOPLE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF!NOT ANYONE CAPABLEOF DEFENDING THEMSELVES-COWARDS!AND THE ONLY DAM REASON MEXICANS WERENT MOBBED ON MORE WAS because WE CAME OUT DEEP AND UNAFRAID-

South Central was predominately black, so I have no idea what you are talking about here. That Guatemalan dude wasn’t rescued by cops, or because Mexicans came out deep and shit! He was rescued because a black man was unafraid to use his body as a shield to cover this Guatemalan and protect him.

SO BEATING US DOWN LIKE YALL DID THE ASIANS WASNT AN OPTION ANYMORE-

Not only was the majority of rioters and looters arrested Latino, but the majority of looting in Koreatown was carried out by Latinos. Many Koreans was shocked because so many Latinos work for Korean American Businesses and industries.

DONT ACT LIKE WE WERE IN IT TOGETHER because YOU BASTARDS WERENT DOING IT LIKE THAT IN THE BEGINING-FREAKING SHIT ON NATIONAL NEWS -BEATING DOWN SOME MEXICANS AND SPRAY PAINTING HIM BLACK -fu-- YOU ALL!NOW YOU COWARDS ARE OUTNUMBERED AND TRYNA COVER THE SHIT UP because THE HOMIES SERVING YOULL-AND YOU TRYNA PAINT IT LIKE WE WAS ALL IN IT TOGETHER -WHAT BS!IVE POSTED SEVERAL ARTICLES AND HOMICIDES ON THIS BLACK AND LATINO WAR -AND MEXICANS ARE BY FAR AND LARGE PAYING BLACKS BACK FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DID IN THAT RIOT -KARAMA-KARMA-KARMA!!!

Mexicans are by far and large killing other Mexicans! So how are they paying Blacks back when they are killing each other?

www.streetgangs.com/billboard/viewtopic.php?t=39104

it doesnt matter -if he was guatemalan or whatever-it wont end for me and my raza till my people pull yours out of cars and spray paint them brown-you can say most mexicans kill mexicans - i know it to be true but we are doing some serious karma to you guys go look under the title race and ethnicity-and black/mexican tensions--i posted about 15 black men killed in the last few months by obvious gangsters--in compton-in LA-in LBC-in Carson everywere you are getting yours-lets just say its payback for that guatemalan and so was Cheryl Green-you trying to trivialize the plight of my people and try to pit me against another latino because he is guatemalan -your a devil! i stand by my own-and when the video of that man getting beat by the mob of animals was played in LA county the MM ordered your peoples death-its been going on ever since-is it funny now?wanna paint some more latinos black?i remeber that devilish laugh your people had when they were doing this to my RAZA-maybe 100 cheryl greens will even it out-please--try to paint it like wewas doing the shit for rodney king -truth is martin lawrence was right -mexicans only wanted free shit-........how many brothas have caught lead over that lil incident?instead of apologizing for your peoples actions you wanna cover it up -justify it and try to paint us as all in it together-what a crock of shit!60 mexican older men jacked in pasadena by blacks and its just a simple robbery -notmotivated by race?fuck you-----go read my posts and topics --come back and tell me it aint boiling your blood when you read about the old man 50 yrs old in Compton that was rolled on by mexican gangsters and blown away or the family in watts having a BBQ and alittle baby in the mix and getting shot up and killed by mexicans.....nah man im right --you tryingto excuse your peoples animal behaviour -and so are a bunch of your civil rights leaders..........ill post the article were Jesse Jackson and Sharpton are begging the LA COUNTY jail to have black inmates segregated cuz we were serving yall your heads -its payback bitch-

[Tre]

it doesnt matter -if he was guatemalan or whatever-it wont end for me and my raza till my people pull yours out of cars and spray paint them brown-you can say most mexicans kill mexicans - i know it to be true but we are doing some serious karma to you guys go look under the title race and ethnicity-and black/mexican tensions--i posted about 15 black men killed in the last few months…

Lol @ Suretos Christ here making death threats and posting death statistics for the black man! You come across more like Anti-Christ than Jesus Christ!

i stand by my own-and when the video of that man getting beat by the mob of animals was played in LA county the MM ordered your peoples death-its been going on ever since-is it funny now? …

WHAT? man you smoking! The MM extort and victimize their own fucking people! What’s funny (ironic) is that the organization you are praising for fueling this brown on black feud has killed far more Mexican families than Latino gang members have killed black families! Just ask Rene Enriquez who quit because he could no longer stomach the Latino on Latino violence perpetrated by the MM.

wanna paint some more latinos black?i remeber that devilish laugh your people had when they were doing this to my RAZA-maybe 100 cheryl greens will even it out-please--try to paint it like wewas doing the shit for rodney king -truth is martin lawrence was right -mexicans only wanted free shit-........how many brothas have caught lead over that lil incident?instead of apologizing for your peoples actions you wanna cover it up -justify it and try to paint us as all in it together-what a crock of shit!60 mexican older men jacked in pasadena by blacks and its just a simple robbery -notmotivated by race?fu-- you-----go read my posts and topics --come back and tell me it aint boiling your blood when you read about the old man 50 yrs old in Compton that was rolled on by mexican gangsters and blown away or the family in watts having a BBQ and alittle baby in the mix and getting shot up and killed by Mexicans…

No it doesn’t boil my blood man, every black man in or around LA knows that those murders have already been answered by 204th street and others, so shit is tit for tat man!

Did your blood boil last year to hear about the Six Asian male juveniles in San Francisco that beat that Latino youth in Chinatown leaving him unconscious?

Or better yet how did you feel about the two white teens in Texas that beat the fuck out of that Mexican dude, sodomized his ass with a pipe and doused his ass with bleach.


Alot of groups are fucking up, bitch slapping Mexicans these days, any thoughts why

[KINGFEAR62]

Ya need to chill with that black vs brown shyt out in cali just do like we do in ny and ignore each other

[jesuschrist]

it doesnt matter -if he was guatemalan or whatever-it wont end for me and my raza till my people pull yours out of cars and spray paint them brown-you can say most mexicans kill mexicans - i know it to be true but we are doing some serious karma to you guys go look under the title race and ethnicity-and black/mexican tensions--i posted about 15 black men killed in the last few months…

Lol @ Suretos Christ here making death threats and posting death statistics for the black man! You come across more like Anti-Christ than Jesus Christ!

i stand by my own-and when the video of that man getting beat by the mob of animals was played in LA county the MM ordered your peoples death-its been going on ever since-is it funny now? …

WHAT? man you smoking! The MM extort and victimize their own #%@&#%@ people! What’s funny (ironic) is that the organization you are praising for fueling this brown on black feud has killed far more Mexican families than Latino gang members have killed black families! Just ask Rene Enriquez who quit because he could no longer stomach the Latino on Latino violence perpetrated by the MM.

wanna paint some more latinos black?i remeber that devilish laugh your people had when they were doing this to my RAZA-maybe 100 cheryl greens will even it out-please--try to paint it like wewas doing the shit for rodney king -truth is martin lawrence was right -mexicans only wanted free shit-........how many brothas have caught lead over that lil incident?instead of apologizing for your peoples actions you wanna cover it up -justify it and try to paint us as all in it together-what a crock of shit!60 mexican older men jacked in pasadena by blacks and its just a simple robbery -notmotivated by race?fu-- you-----go read my posts and topics --come back and tell me it aint boiling your blood when you read about the old man 50 yrs old in Compton that was rolled on by mexican gangsters and blown away or the family in watts having a BBQ and alittle baby in the mix and getting shot up and killed by Mexicans…

No it doesn’t boil my blood man, every black man in or around LA knows that those murders have already been answered by 204th street and others, so shit is tit for tat man!

Did your blood boil last year to hear about the Six Asian male juveniles in San Francisco that beat that Latino youth in Chinatown leaving him unconscious?

Or better yet how did you feel about the two white teens in Texas that beat the fu-- out of that Mexican dude, sodomized his ass with a pipe and doused his ass with bleach.


Alot of groups are #%@&#%@ up, bitch slapping Mexicans these days, any thoughts why

hondxtly your just an animal and not 100 niggas are worth a life sentence for one of my people!are mexicans begging for police protection in county jail like jesse jackson and al sharpton did for yours >what a bunch of wankstas!!oh please save us !!lol,that shit had me rolling -all these supposed bad ass crabs and slobs begging to save their life spared!real mufaking Gzzz,,,studio gangsters-cry when it gets real-believe me you are gonna bow down even more then you doing now -you will be slaves again-yall dont have the heart for battle ---go cry to al sharpton--what a joke!!sissy ass fools-peeing down your legs--doesnt it embarass you to have your toughest people pisssing in fear??pansy ass hoes

[doja]

u aint makin nobody pee in fear typin reccless on ur keyboard. leave ur room go outside and tell someone blac he will be ur slave and see what happens bitchmade

[mrph]

Well homies BG Casper got it right. MKN claims ES and WS. The ES is where all that beef is at. That is also were their hood is actually at. On the WS they have no actual hood. They have about two houses on Denker off of King but thats my hood. They've actually been their for a long time but it isn't their hood. As much as I dont like them, I aint going to lie, they do have some ridaz, but then again..lol. They have 4 clicks~ Crazy Gangsters and NIghtowls on the ES. I think Los Traviesos are a ES click but they claim to be on the WS along with the Dukes click which they tried to start up in the hood. I also doubt they've put in work on HPS in a long time.

I KNOW MKN AND THEY USED TO BE ON NORMANDIE AND THAT I KNOW OF THEY ALWAYS BEEN BY DENKER AND KING. NOT ANY MORE THOUGH BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE EAST SIDE SO ALL THE ONES THAT ARE FROM THE WS MKN GO KICK IT ON THE EAST SIDE. SOUNDS LIKE YOU DONT LIKE THEM AND THATS OBVIOUS SINCE YOU ARE ENEMIES. MY COUSIN LIVED BY DENKER AND VERNON AND I REMEMBER I USED TO GO DOWN DENKER AND I USED TO SEE MKN ALOT. ON THE WALLS AND WALKING AROUND SO TO ME THAT WAS THEIR HOOD BUT WHO AM I TO JUDGE. IM NOT INTO THIS I JUST KNOW ABOUT IT FROM WHAT I SEE AND HEAR. MKN HAS OR HAD 2 CLICKS FROM WS MKN AND THEY NOW HAVE THE ES MKN, NOT SURE HOW MANY CLICKS. I KNOW ATC HAS MANY CLICKS BUT WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND IS WHY IF THEIR SO DEEP YOU THEY HAVE A BAD REPUTATION.

[mrph]

yea I know they(MKN) have the Crazy Gangsters, Nightowls, Los Traviesos and I think that's it. But according to this hyna that lives in their hood, there name has been ringing on the calles.

I HAVENT HEARD ANYTHING MAYBE BECAUSE THERE OVER THERE ON THE EAST SIDE BUT LAST I HEARD WAS WHEN A LOT OF THEM WENT TO PRISON THIS WAS IN 95 AND ALOT OF THEM GOT MANY YEARS. MAYBE THEY GOT OUT ALREADY BUT I NEVER REALLY HEARD ANYTHING AFTER THAT. MAYBE THE LAST TIME I EVER SAW OR HEARD ANYTHING WAS AROUND 2003 BUT THEN AGAIN IM NOT IN THE STREETS LOOKING OR HANGING OUT

[mrph]

Ya need to chill with that black vs brown shyt out in cali just do like we do in ny and ignore each other

YOU CANT IGNORE IT. THERES JUST TENSION BETWEEB THE RACES

[mrph]

To young nile, it also makes my blood boil man. It's like this mexicans are taking prison politics and all that race BS and bringing it to the street. It's like they can't differenciate between prison life and life outside the prison walls u now what a mean. For me it's all good u know, if you want to play like that, but let the brothers know so that it is at list out in the open, but it's when they play politics and say no we don't hate blacks and they try and cover it up that gets to me u know. Because right now alot of blacks are really starting to realise that there is a problem and I am not talking about gang members but normal everyday black folks. I hate doing this but i feel like i have to say this things because of all the things I have seen and the things that I have heard. As a younger man, I also thaught mexicans were in the same boat has us but as I grew up, I came to the realization that we really aren't in the same boat and that is the plain and simple truth.

MAN YOU MAKE IT SOUND AS IF MXICANS ARE SOME SNEAKY NO-GOOD 2 FACED LIARS....BASICALLY SAYING WE ARE ON SOME SHIT WERE WE SAY WE DONT HATE BLACKS BUT DO THE SHIT IN SECRET!FIRST OFF SURENOS -IN PRISON HATE BLACKS AND MAKE NO BONES ABOUT IT-THEY ISSUED A GREEN LIGHT ON ALL BLACKS AND HAVE BEEN PRETTY OUT IN THE OPEN WITH IT-1.BY ATTCKING BLACKS IN PRISON 2.BY ALLIANCES WITH THE WHITE BOYZ 3. BY KILLING MEXICANS WHO ACT BLACK IN PRISON 4. BY RE-INSTATING JIM CROW IN PRISON AMONGST SURENOS. 5. BY ACTIVELY CAUSING FRICTION IN HOODS -(IE AVENUES..A DIRECT ORDER FROM A MEMBER OF THE MM)...WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO TO GET YOU TO BELIEVE THEY HAVE DECLARED WAR?I FIND IT FAR FROM SNEAKY TO ACTIVELY ENGAGE IN WAR AND ISSUE A DECLARATION OF WAR -YET YOU ARE AS THE UNITED STATES WAS BEFORE 9-11..........NOW THIS THING WAR OR WHATEVER CAN GO 2 WAYS---BLACKS CAN ACCEPT IT AND TARGET THE PERPRETATORS OF THE WAR(SURENOS-THE MM) OR THEY CAN GET READY FOR AN ENTIRE WAR WITH THE LATINO POPULATION

THATS GOOD I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE WHO THEY WERE BORN TO BE AND NOT ACT LIKE SOMETHING THERE NOT

[mrph]

Dont trip Sam,lol. Well dogg Im sure the ES.MKN's do ride on the 42/43GC's, 48GC's and AGC's put I also know all thoughs fools ride back on MKN. As for the WS.MKN's thoughs fools dont ride on HPS no more, atleast I havent heard anything lately.They might go put in work on the ES.

NOBODY RIDES ON HPS. NOT MKN NOT ATC NOBODY. HPS BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH AND THEY HAVE VALUES AND RESPECT, MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR ALOT OF THE GANGS IN THE AREA. AND IN CASE YOU WANT TO KNOW YES I DO KNOW THEM PRETTY GOOD

[mrph]

QVole Listo. What happened to the black vatos who were part of ATC in the old days? I thought they became crips? Alrato. Paz[/quote]


ATC WAS STARTED BY BLACKS AND HISPANICS ADDICTED TO CRIME KINGS AND THEN I GUESS THEY WANTED TO TURN INTO A GANG BUT THEY STILL TALK TO THE BLACK GUYS THAT WERE FROM ATC BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF THE BLACK GUYS FROM ATC GOT INTO ROLLING 30 CRIP GANG AND ATC AND THEM ARE TIGHT WITH EACH OTHER

[mrph]

HEY VATOS LET ME JUST SAY US MEXICANS ARE THE BEST BC WE GET BACKED UP BY OUR LATINO BROTHERS,NO TE METAS CON NOSOTROS,PINCHE MAYATES.

HA HA HA THATS FUNNY AND TRUE

[KINGFEAR62]

What mexican gang hates blacks the most?? And what blood and crip gangs beef with mexican gangs the most??

[destinyryder28]

I am sure glade people are talking about this topic. I know that the tension has many reason behind it. I don't claim to know everthing , but check out this book City of Quartz it might help you gain perspective. By reading it I was able to see how certian areas in La county /california add least are set up in manner were such tension are a given. pluse you add that manstream media when they do cover either group they only present generalaztions. Lately I feel that the mainstream madia is useing news as the means to push legislations / Idea's of hate. How does it relate to the topic you ask by consently say hispanics are the majority it creates a level of fear for blacks community. The fear then envokes a flight or fight responces in the individual. So depending on the persons level of fear it will determine the path they take. Look at the enviorments most of both groups live in on daily basis. They are taught through their life experences to fight for what they want in life . So now the person that their fighting for that job, house, money, places in the world is no longer one of their own its that brown/ black brother or sister. Both sides see the other side as the problem... I might get flack for this but I think both sides are to blame. Right know the reason behind the tension is less important then how do we fix it as whole.How about listening to those doing the work to heal both our communities such as bo tyler from unity one or a number of comminty leaders. IT time we wake up and see what the enemy is doing to both communities.If you have ask me who the enemy is then your one those individuals that lives a shealter lifestyle.

lets keep real both sides can learn from each other.. one love

[doja]

im with it

[dmills]

What mexican gang hates blacks the most?? And what blood and crip gangs beef with mexican gangs the most??

I'd have to say the Highland Park Aves. and just about any gang in the Hawaiian gardens area. As for black gangs I'd have to say the BPS by far. As far as I know they are the only black gang in LA that has a policy in place of no mexicans allowed in their turf period. Ecc is fueding with F13 but I don't know how far that beef goes.

[abc543@]

IM PALMDALE OUR SCHOOL IS DIVIDED ...MEXICANS 1 SIDE BLACKS ON THE OTHER

[dubcity]

it doesnt matter -if he was guatemalan or whatever-it wont end for me and my raza till my people pull yours out of cars and spray paint them brown-you can say most mexicans kill mexicans - i know it to be true but we are doing some serious karma to you guys go look under the title race and ethnicity-and black/mexican tensions--i posted about 15 black men killed in the last few months…

Lol @ Suretos Christ here making death threats and posting death statistics for the black man! You come across more like Anti-Christ than Jesus Christ!

i stand by my own-and when the video of that man getting beat by the mob of animals was played in LA county the MM ordered your peoples death-its been going on ever since-is it funny now? …

WHAT? man you smoking! The MM extort and victimize their own #%@&#%@ people! What’s funny (ironic) is that the organization you are praising for fueling this brown on black feud has killed far more Mexican families than Latino gang members have killed black families! Just ask Rene Enriquez who quit because he could no longer stomach the Latino on Latino violence perpetrated by the MM.

wanna paint some more latinos black?i remeber that devilish laugh your people had when they were doing this to my RAZA-maybe 100 cheryl greens will even it out-please--try to paint it like wewas doing the shit for rodney king -truth is martin lawrence was right -mexicans only wanted free shit-........how many brothas have caught lead over that lil incident?instead of apologizing for your peoples actions you wanna cover it up -justify it and try to paint us as all in it together-what a crock of shit!60 mexican older men jacked in pasadena by blacks and its just a simple robbery -notmotivated by race?fu-- you-----go read my posts and topics --come back and tell me it aint boiling your blood when you read about the old man 50 yrs old in Compton that was rolled on by mexican gangsters and blown away or the family in watts having a BBQ and alittle baby in the mix and getting shot up and killed by Mexicans…

No it doesn’t boil my blood man, every black man in or around LA knows that those murders have already been answered by 204th street and others, so shit is tit for tat man!

Did your blood boil last year to hear about the Six Asian male juveniles in San Francisco that beat that Latino youth in Chinatown leaving him unconscious?

Or better yet how did you feel about the two white teens in Texas that beat the fu-- out of that Mexican dude, sodomized his ass with a pipe and doused his ass with bleach.


Alot of groups are #%@&#%@ up, bitch slapping Mexicans these days, any thoughts why

hondxtly your just an animal and not 100 niggas are worth a life sentence for one of my people!are mexicans begging for police protection in county jail like jesse jackson and al sharpton did for yours >what a bunch of wankstas!!oh please save us !!lol,that shit had me rolling -all these supposed bad ass crabs and slobs begging to save their life spared!real mufaking Gzzz,,,studio gangsters-cry when it gets real-believe me you are gonna bow down even more then you doing now -you will be slaves again-yall dont have the heart for battle ---go cry to al sharpton--what a joke!!sissy ass fools-peeing down your legs--doesnt it embarass you to have your toughest people pisssing in fear??pansy ass hoes

u got info wrong, obviously cuz u a nerd on the internet, the dudes that wuz cryin for protection were non-active blacs, they were not crip or blood, they wuz blacs in there for petty shit that had no gang affiliation, they were getting attaced, the crips is holdin it down and always have, the ese's got smashed during those riots when they tried to push a line, u dont know bout the frontlines cuz u a geek and u look like a fucin homosexual from yo picture u can't ce serious? why u still postin here after everybody seen yo goofy lookin ass lookin like a gay ass whiteboy nerd rofl

why the ese's stay gettin smasehed in the county and the pen and in these streets? why they stay followin orders and getting taxed like some hoes? u call that gangsta? taking orders from another person? i call that a followin ass HOE ha ha ha