The way I look it is like this . . . Educate your kids by example first of all.
If you're going to try and teach them not to steal or lie, but then you go lie about shit in front of them or cheat on something, well you know what? Them kids lear from you, more so than anybody else. If you're going to use the belt and mean language on them, guess what? They're going to learn up hos to use it themselves. If you're going to say to them that drugs are no good, but then turn around and down that can or bottle, well gues what? They're going to see that you're full of shit. By the same token, they're going to test you, and if you're going to let them act up without you taking the time to smack them a good one, then they're going to keep acting up. I say teach them the best you can ~> by example and dicipline when "really" needing to. Kids now don't have no respect because they don't have any fear of their parents or the law, and they grow up to be all focked up in their attitude because us adults can't step up and do what needs to be done sometimes. Now, don't get me all wrong, I'm not for using the belt or your hands on them just because or for any reason, hell no! That's not what I'm saying, because indeed some parents take it to the extreme and end up screwing their kids up more than they care to acknoledge, but what I am saying is "don't take anything off the table" when it comes to your kids, because if you don't have take responsibility for them, then guess what? ~> Somebody else just might, and the outcome can be a real nasty reality awakening.