Are Italians considered to be white?

These concepts are socially constructed and have been given much weight. What are your thoughts?

Re: Are Italians considered to be white?

Postby Sentenza » April 8th, 2010, 1:13 pm

skollyman wrote:
Silencioso wrote:
skollyman wrote:then what are they moron cause they aren't white like me!


What's this "white like me" sh*t? It cracks me up how anglo-saxon and other germanic types think they're the arbitrators of whiteness. Like you get to say who is and isn't white. Italians are European Caucasoid people, mostly mediteranean and some indo-european ancestry. They have pale, tan or olive complexions generally. That sounds white to me.


lol tanned and olive skin isn't white stupid thats why they are tanned and olive skinnned why do italians want to be white so bad anyway they are arabic they should be proud of it same with the other mediteranean people ask anyone with a brain if they think italians are white and they will say " no "


Really? This is the long time Cosa Nostra Mafia Boss Bernardo Provenzano. Tell me if you think he looks like an Arab. And he is sicilian.

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Or what about the ex coach of the Italian Soccer team?

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http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Trapattoni

And i can show you Italians who look like Arabs. Only tells us one thing: They mixed, just like everyone else.
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Re: Are Italians considered to be white?

Postby Silencioso » April 8th, 2010, 1:14 pm

Yeah, well, Pink, peach and red (typical Northern Euro skin tones) aren't white either, if you want to nit pick.

I think it's understood that "white" as a term of skin color basically means "light" not literally albino white. As a race term "white" means Europeans and other unmixed Caucasoid people. Italians qualify as "white" by both definitions.

Don't be jealous just 'cause they can get a tan without risking 3rd degree burns from the sun> LOL
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Re: Are Italians considered to be white?

Postby perongregory » April 8th, 2010, 6:56 pm

God, be quiet.
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Re: Are Italians considered to be white?

Postby MMRbkaRudog » April 8th, 2010, 8:42 pm

A Skolly, I got a super tan today! I am now African-American! :lol: JK Soembody please ban this troll!
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Re: Are Italians considered to be white?

Postby Azure9920 » April 8th, 2010, 9:06 pm

Combined data from two large mtDNA studies provides an estimate of non-Caucasoid maternal ancestry in Italians. The first study sampled 411 Italians from all over the country and found five South Asian M and East Asian D sequences (1.2%) and eight sub-Saharan African L sequences (1.9%). The second study sampled 465 Sicilians and detected ten M sequences (2.2%) and three L sequences (0.65%). This makes a total of 3% non-white maternal admixture (1.3% Asian and 1.7% African), which is very low and typical for European populations, since Pliss et al. 2005, e.g., observed 1.8% Asian admixture in Poles and 1.2% African admixture in Germans.


Plaza et al. (2003) Joining the Pillars of Hercules: mtDNA Sequences Show Multidirectional Gene Flow in the Western Mediterranean. Ann Hum Genet; 67:312

Similar data from the Y-chromosome reveals Italians' even lower non-Caucasoid paternal admixture. Both studies obtained samples from all over the mainland and islands. No Asian DNA was detected anywhere, but a single sub-Saharan African E(xE3b) sequence was found in the first study's sample of 416 (0.2%), and six were observed in the second study's sample of 746 (0.8%). The total is therefore a minuscule 0.6%, which decreases to 0.4% if only Southern Italians are considered and 0% if only Sicilians are considered. Again, these are normal levels of admixture for European populations (e.g. Austrians were found to have 0.8% E(xE3b) by Brion et al. 2004).

Semino et al. (2004) Origin, Diffusion, and Differentiation of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups E and J: Inferences on the Neolithization of Europe and Later Migratory Events in the Mediterranean Area. Am J Hum Genet; 74:1023-1034

Two subclades of North African Y-chromosome haplogroup E3b (labeled E-M81 and E-M78β) have been given an estimated age of ~5000 years, making them useful in detecting historical admixture from Berbers. These markers exist at combined frequencies of 1.5% in Northern Italians, 2.2% in Central Italians, 0% in Southern Italians, 1.4% in Sardinians and 1.4% in Sicilians. Additionally, North African mtDNA haplogroup U6 occurs at a rate of 0.6% in Sicilians and is absent everywhere else in Italy (Plaza et al. 2003). This suggests that gene flow from Carthaginian and Moorish colonists was minimal.

Cruciani et al. (2004) Phylogeographic Analysis of Haplogroup E3b (E-M215) Y Chromosomes Reveals Multiple Migratory Events Within and Out of Africa. Am J Hum Genet; 74:1014-1022
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Re: Are Italians considered to be white?

Postby Trevier » July 26th, 2010, 2:05 pm

*shameless bump*

Of course they're considered to be racially White.
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Re: Are Italians considered to be white?

Postby choppalou » February 23rd, 2011, 9:55 am

dumbest question i have ever heard!

no they think they are black!

of course they are white!
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