Most Racist Country in the Western World

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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby razbojnik » July 17th, 2008, 12:23 pm

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I agree. :P

No offense Vanessa. :)

Also, god damn it, stop playing with me, I wasn't talking about the standard of living. Of course it's lower. I was talking about the fact that you compared the American ghetto to the Macedonian one. This isn't a ghetto, btw, it's just a lower standard apartment. Macedonians don't live in ghetto's in Stip, only the Roma aka Radanski Pat where all the scrap metal shacks are..

This is the closest thing that I can found that's similar to Radanski Pat, except it's in Africa but it's the same shit different continent:

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The standard is of course lower, but the fact that you compared the American ghetto to the Macedonian one is what ticked me off. Sorry for going at you like that.

Vanessa wrote:Yeah, that's equivalent to the ghetto's in North America when you take into consideration the cultural and economic differences.


Anyways...

I am fishing for reasons to mention him lol.. He pisses me off alot but damn I find him to be an extraoridinary individual not alot of North Americans or Europeans are involved in so much violent shit in their lives and on such an occasional basis...

He trained for 5 years in a club, it was run by Mirco Opelovski which trained my dad under military type training except it was Shotokan Karate...

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M. Opelovski yeah that's him. My dad also sparred with Iliya Jorga which is like 10th dan right now and founded his own style in Karate. They were good friends, both of them, my dad made a portrait painting of him when he came to my dad's house...

These are some of the training techniques involved:

Routine hitting to the body using both arms and legs. Similar to this:



Mica, which was a self defense learning system type of thing where 7 or 8 guys gather around you and start punching and kicking you all over the body and you would have to block it.

They also did the running on the stomach thing routinely as well.

Kumite/free sparring is what he concentrated on mostly, and it was done without any gear, so you would punch a person's face with your bare hand but it would have to be controlled and not full strength..

Besides that, he was in the army and I think special forces as well, idk what group though at the time.. And I forgot what else..

They also ran in circles nonstop for a long time...

In the army, they didn't hit them like in the video or maybe they did who knows, but it was harsh strict training.. My dad got kicked out for beating the fuck and nearly killing the drill sargent but he did it for a good reason. This is where my mom and my dad met, of course my dad was 20 years old and my mom was 10 at the time but that's not the point.. My grandfather(mother's father) was an officer in the army and was in charge for all of the Stip municipality in terms of recruitment, and besides that my grandfather and my dad were good friends.. My grandfather died of Hepititis B when my mom was only 17 years old. My grandmother, mother's mother, her mother died of Tubercolosis when my grandma was 12 or 13 years old. My father's father, my grandfather, died in 2004 of a heart attack. You know the pain my dad and I felt because we weren't able to see him for the last time or even go to his funeral becuse of our financial situation.. Ahem..

Yeah. Besides that my dad travelled all around Europe, he watched over some rich guy's house in Switzerland in the Alps and has been in Sicily for what IDK but yeah..

He's been in all types of fights --- one on one, outnumbered, outnumbered fighting alongside others, knife fights, gun fights, bar fights, brawls, riots, you name it. Every single weapon you can think of he's used it, well not literally but as in umm the surrounding enviroment..

He was grade 8, my uncle(father's brother) was grade 5 and they were walking somewhere. All of a sudden my father notices my uncle is not beside him, and my uncle screams for his help. Some assholes my father's age at the time starting beating my uncle for no reason. My dad gets so friggin pissed he takes out this shoehorn and fucks them all up cuts them on the face and shit and they think it's a knife so they run.. Then he uses a black board to fuck up 4 fighters from Skopije because he fucked up some of their friends before that..

On and this is a good idea too, an ambush: They throw a blanket on a guy and beat him with baseball bats and shit while he's trying to get it off. :D

He has been arrested 7 or 8 times according to him for fighting amongst other things and he has been let go each time through his connections but there has been plenty of more times where he has done shit like this and the police didn't come or they didn't catch him... ;)
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby razbojnik » July 17th, 2008, 12:27 pm

KK Rabotnicki was his club. KK = Karate Klub

Btw the reason why it ticked me off is cause you made it seem just because it's a different country living in a worse ghetto than in the USA doesn't make a difference, aka cultural differences. Economic is different. They are not equivelent. You just can't bring in economics and standard of living of a country when talking about ghettos. A human being is a human being, regardless of the country's wealth.

Like people have told me that I wouldn't last 5 minutes in some ghetto in the US I invite them to try and find a place to live amongst the scrap metal shacks.. The smell alone will drive the most fucked up person from an American ghetto away, and you will leave with some desiese for sure... :D
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby razbojnik » July 17th, 2008, 12:33 pm

FUCK! The reason I mentioned my grandfather is because my father went to him to re-enlist.

As you know, Yugoslavia had a conscription military system which meant that once you turned 18 you are shipped off to the army. My dad got kicked out after 4 months, which meant that he had to re-enlist to finish his bid.

Btw the drill sargeant reached for his gun so my dad went into action. Later on the drill sargeant was sent to some place in Serbia to train there this way my dad and this guy wouldn't kill eachother after the incident.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby razbojnik » July 17th, 2008, 12:44 pm

Kyo wrote:
razbojnik wrote:
Azure9920 wrote:Yeah, that's equivalent to the ghetto's in North America when you take into consideration the cultural and economic differences.


Hehe you bastard you made me write a book. :D Stop conning me damn it I take you seriously. :P


Man u r a sherm head lol


My head does not look like a mushroom because the shape of a mushroom is like a penis, so thus mine looks more like some old guy's sagging balls than a mushroom.

Get back to topic damn it...

Most racist country in the western world has to be AMERICA!!!!!! Every race vs. eachother.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby razbojnik » July 17th, 2008, 12:54 pm

I also forgot to mention my dad trained 5 years in Skopje or in a club it doesn't matter..

He regularly continued training with some friends here or maybe at Cherkezo's club idk..

He knew Cherkezo, where my mom trained, as well as Rozata(the guy on the picture I posted is his son so same nickname basiclly) and Ico Black.

Oh and Slave Oazata..

Well.. My dad's friend, which is also an fine and martial artist, Kiril Kazendzivski, lived in the same building as Slave Ivanovski so they got to see him........

So yeah. At the age of 15 he started training Shotokan Karate, at the age of 18 he went to the army, he got kicked out, went back in, served time in special forces, then at the age of 22 he married my brother and sister's mother, he got divorced, at the age of 35 he married my mother and had me. :D He's 50 now. He's also a grand daddy from some relation he had with some woman 1 or 2 years before marrying his ex wife, his daughter has a 3 year old girl, aka im an uncle.. :D

So yeah:

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And cheers:

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Now back to topic. Who agree's with me America is the most racist nation in the Western world???
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby Silencioso » July 18th, 2008, 1:59 pm

I definately don't agree, especially if you expand "Western" to include European dominated Latin American countries like Brazil and Colombia. The level of racism and colorism in those countries is way beyond the US. You almost never see black people in high positions there. The racism in some W. European cointries like France and Spain is worse than the U.S.

Canada, the Scandinavian countries and maybe the UK are the only western countries less racist than the U.S. IMO
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby Young Deuce » July 21st, 2008, 10:39 am

most racist country? hmmmm...probably some central amreican country like guatemala....they terrorize the shit out of the indigeous people....
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby Azure9920 » July 21st, 2008, 11:19 am

Young Deuce wrote:most racist country? hmmmm...probably some central amreican country like guatemala....they terrorize the shit out of the indigeous people....


Nah bro, the Americans murder every minority on sight in the world according to Raj....
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby razbojnik » July 21st, 2008, 6:29 pm

Azure9920 wrote:
Young Deuce wrote:most racist country? hmmmm...probably some central amreican country like guatemala....they terrorize the shit out of the indigeous people....


Nah bro, the Americans murder every minority on sight in the world according to Raj....


When did I say that? Quote me.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby razbojnik » July 21st, 2008, 6:31 pm

And no, it's not about the native population of the country(those born there) being racist to minorities. I'm not talking about racism alone. But yet again, EVERY RACE IS RACIST TOWARDS ANOTHER RACE IN THE USA. Not just whites on blacks and vice versa. This being asians on arabs, blacks on hispanics, arabs on hispanics, asians on hispanics, arabs on whites, blacks on whites, you name it...

They don't murder every minority on sight, now your just talking shit. Racism overall is the highest in the USA. Discrimination, too, when you think about it, nationality, religion, sex, age, race, weight, you name it...
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby razbojnik » July 21st, 2008, 6:32 pm

Damn it Vanessa stop messing with me babe come on.. ;) You keep getting everything the wrong way..
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby Young Deuce » July 21st, 2008, 6:56 pm

wtf is wrong with u man???
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby razbojnik » July 21st, 2008, 7:01 pm

Young Deuce wrote:wtf is wrong with u man???


Alot.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby ukrainian » December 5th, 2008, 12:32 am

Azure9920 wrote:Yeah, that's equivalent to the ghetto's in North America when you take into consideration the cultural and economic differences.



wow...... ukrainian slums make the p.j.'s of usa look like a nice place
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby VostokSila » December 5th, 2008, 7:08 am

Most racist country is Russia. I am not proud of it but it is true.

Now to go off topic and reply to some stuff I saw in razbojnik's post.

The photo of your grandmothers house remind me alot of many buildings in my neighburhood. I do not live in Russia now, I live in israel. But the house you shown me is very common sight, even here, where GDP per capita is like 20,000+ people live in old buildings with many problems. lol back in Russia I wont even start tell you of the stuff we had there lol.

I can tell you about article I read or something with this guy who works in 3rd world countries and has been to African nations and all.. he sais that in Siberia he has seen the worst poverty.. hospitals having dirt floors. The big block buildings typical of Russia are just shacks built into cement. People freezing in winter.

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photo is not of sibiria but some area in Russia, this is common all over the former USSR lands Ukraine, Belarus, Kavkaz etc..

Ofcourse now things are getting better.. it is not what it was 10 or 15 years ago. But still. And not all of siberia is like this.. but most of it.

Your father sounds like an intersting man. I know why you feel like you must tell about him and show who he is, you have good reason. Azure, american ghetto's are not that bad poverty-wise compared to the rest of the world, the most run down resident buildings in american slums are considered to be luxury (realy luxury) in other lands.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby cliffard » December 9th, 2008, 4:58 pm

sorry raz cant agree with you there, whenever english football teams get champions league/uefa cup ties in eastern europe the black english lads get bad abuse...called ni**ers, bananas thrown, monkey noises. like england was twenty five years ago. cant imagine that happening in the usa, not saying its perfect though by any means.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby VostokSila » December 10th, 2008, 1:50 pm

...called ni**ers, bananas thrown, monkey noises. like england was twenty five years ago. cant imagine that happening in the usa, not saying its perfect though by any means.


This is racism? hahahahahha
Racism is when you go in big groups shouting insults at other races then catching anyone of that race and beating him almost and somtimes to death. That is racism, and that is what is happening in Russia to the Kavkaz nationalites and foreign black exchange students.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby cliffard » December 10th, 2008, 1:59 pm

VostokSila wrote:Racism is when you go in big groups shouting insults at other races then catching anyone of that race and beating him almost and somtimes to death

we had that shit too, but like i said, twenty plus years ago...its died down now compared to how it was
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby whiskeyjack » December 11th, 2008, 8:27 am

the russian far east, is pretty racist

For example if you go to Khabarvsk the local population will hate on you if you speak and language but russian, and i wouldnt want to be black there

Ive noticed too that alot of the russianized koreans get on the hating boat against non-russians, but at the same time they take flak for not be white russians.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby Azure9920 » December 11th, 2008, 12:00 pm

ukrainian wrote:
Azure9920 wrote:Yeah, that's equivalent to the ghetto's in North America when you take into consideration the cultural and economic differences.



wow...... ukrainian slums make the p.j.'s of usa look like a nice place


"Your father sounds like an intersting man. I know why you feel like you must tell about him and show who he is, you have good reason. Azure, american ghetto's are not that bad poverty-wise compared to the rest of the world, the most run down resident buildings in american slums are considered to be luxury (realy luxury) in other lands."

Neither of you understand what I meant by that at all. Of course the poverty in ex. Ukraine would be far poorer than in the United States, but when you take into account that the average person there is likely to make maybe $4000 a year, you'll see why. Even Russia, with around 14.5 thousand dollars per year average doesn't come close to anywhere near the average US income. To put it simply; If the average person in the United States earned as much money as someone in the Ukraine, the poverty stricken people in say, inner city Chicago would be comparably poor to the impoverished of the Ukraine.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby Silencioso » December 11th, 2008, 12:42 pm

"To put it simply; If the average person in the United States earned as much money as someone in the Ukraine, the poverty stricken people in say, inner city Chicago would be comparably poor to the impoverished of the Ukraine."

Yeah, but they don't. So what's your point? Look how much worse the poverty is in Mexico compared to the US. And Mexico is one of the "richer" third world nation.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby Azure9920 » December 11th, 2008, 4:35 pm

Silencioso wrote:"To put it simply; If the average person in the United States earned as much money as someone in the Ukraine, the poverty stricken people in say, inner city Chicago would be comparably poor to the impoverished of the Ukraine."

Yeah, but they don't. So what's your point? Look how much worse the poverty is in Mexico compared to the US. And Mexico is one of the "richer" third world nation.


Like I said earlier, that makes them comparable.

Maybe you guys just don't understand. Nevermind.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby razbojnik » December 15th, 2008, 4:54 pm

Azure9920 wrote:
Silencioso wrote:"To put it simply; If the average person in the United States earned as much money as someone in the Ukraine, the poverty stricken people in say, inner city Chicago would be comparably poor to the impoverished of the Ukraine."

Yeah, but they don't. So what's your point? Look how much worse the poverty is in Mexico compared to the US. And Mexico is one of the "richer" third world nation.


Like I said earlier, that makes them comparable.

Maybe you guys just don't understand. Nevermind.


No, it doesn't. Cultural differences is not a factor, a human being is a human being. If you meant Americans are too lazy to work and rely on America's social and welfare system, and in a third world country that cannot simply provide it to anyone requiriing it, where people that want to work can't because there's literaly no jobs available, and Americans will just...

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That's literally paradise for alot of people coming from poverty ridden third world countries.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby cliffard » December 16th, 2008, 1:50 pm

where is that top photo taken from razbojnik? thats not macedonia surely?
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby Azure9920 » December 16th, 2008, 2:32 pm

razbojnik wrote:
Azure9920 wrote:
Silencioso wrote:"To put it simply; If the average person in the United States earned as much money as someone in the Ukraine, the poverty stricken people in say, inner city Chicago would be comparably poor to the impoverished of the Ukraine."

Yeah, but they don't. So what's your point? Look how much worse the poverty is in Mexico compared to the US. And Mexico is one of the "richer" third world nation.


Like I said earlier, that makes them comparable.

Maybe you guys just don't understand. Nevermind.


No, it doesn't. Cultural differences is not a factor, a human being is a human being. If you meant Americans are too lazy to work and rely on America's social and welfare system, and in a third world country that cannot simply provide it to anyone requiriing it, where people that want to work can't because there's literaly no jobs available, and Americans will just...

Compare

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To

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That's literally paradise for alot of people coming from poverty ridden third world countries.


Don't bring your stupidity into conversations please.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby boantza » December 16th, 2008, 3:38 pm

dude... razbojnik made a point... and i subscribe that ideA...

PROOVE HE WAS WRONG
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby MiChuhSuh » December 16th, 2008, 10:23 pm

razbojnik wrote:An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. - Ghandi

Tite quote.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby Sentenza » December 17th, 2008, 4:30 am

cliffard wrote:where is that top photo taken from razbojnik? thats not macedonia surely?


Looks like Nairobi and some east european country.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby VostokSila » December 17th, 2008, 12:05 pm

east european country.


lol.. it is american.. notice the street sign saying POMEROY.
East europe is a little worse.. something like this..

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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby Azure9920 » December 17th, 2008, 2:31 pm

boantza wrote:dude... razbojnik made a point... and i subscribe that ideA...

PROOVE HE WAS WRONG


No, he didn't make a point. He brought some stupid ignorant hate towards a country he blatantly knows nothing about, and tried to work it into a point. He didn't say anything about my point, he worked around it and added a bunch of BS that has nothing to do with it at all.
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby whiskeyjack » December 18th, 2008, 9:49 am

VostokSila wrote:
east european country.


lol.. it is american.. notice the street sign saying POMEROY.
East europe is a little worse.. something like this..

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shit that looks like okhutsk lol
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Re: Most Racist Country in the Western World

Postby whiskeyjack » December 18th, 2008, 10:23 am

i dont know if you can compare america to eastern europe cuase in north america your dollar provides from care and social services then in eastern europe
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