Reports offer grim forecast for young black men

[perongregory]

i don't know about area codes and such, but they did a report and it stated blacks with more ethnic sounding names (basically ghetto names), were more likely to be turned down than blacks with "regular" names ,e.g., james, jon,bob, etc.

[MiChuhSuh]

i don't know about area codes and such, but they did a report and it stated blacks with more ethnic sounding names (basically ghetto names), were more likely to be turned down than blacks with "regular" names ,e.g., james, jon,bob, etc.

What determines "ethnic" and "regular" and can you post a link or something?

Actually I just want to see what they consider "ethnic" lol would be fun to see

I.E. James is Hebrew/Jewish, so is John and Jonathan, a lot of "English" names are from another ethnicity, in this case Jews in the Bible

[perongregory]

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... i_97873146

http://www.post-gazette.com/lifestyle/2 ... 25fnp2.asp

http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/ ... 763-1.html

http://diversity.monster.com/afam/articles/name/

There's alot of stuff on this. Try searching the plausibility of what some of these black people say (they're not all paranoid). Don't just decide to side with the racists ("blame eschewers") because you want things to be a certain way. And yes, many English names can be traced back to Hebrew, but the average person doesn't know the etymoplogy of the names, so it's irrevelant that you and me know this.

[whoknows]

don't u know that the hating is so bad by these white folks that when ever we turn in some paper work they are looking at our phone numbers, zipcodes and names and determining that we are black and denying us shit because of that.

Either you're mad paranoid or ignorant.

Phone numbers and names determine you're black?

Ya okay.

You realize Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, West Los Angeles, and Compton all share the 310 area code?

You realize anyone could name their kid anything?

I know a black family whose last name was "Whiteside." I repeat, WHITEside lol

I know a white girl name Shanika.

Besides knowing for a fact or seeing you in person, you can't determine being black from the things you listed.
If anything, it's easy to tell Asians. Try applying as "Jang Yu Lee" and not have people know right away you're Asian lol (not my name by the way, but a common one regardless)

judas u seriously need to stop... u keep trying to prove me wrong but it ain't working....

here biatch....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/ ... 5685.shtml

http://lasvegas.about.com/cs/relocation ... rhoods.htm

http://www.nhi.org/online/issues/116/Novek.html

now go sit in the corner u dunce....

[whoknows]

judas, i ain't talking about area codes on phone numbers either dumb ass...

also peep some the stuff perongregory posted he provided some good info...

as a matter of fact judas just stop replying to anything i post cause u an ignorant fuck...

[MiChuhSuh]

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3495/is_2_48/ai_97873146

http://www.post-gazette.com/lifestyle/2 ... 25fnp2.asp

http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/ ... 763-1.html

http://diversity.monster.com/afam/articles/name/

There's alot of stuff on this. Try searching the plausibility of what some of these black people say (they're not all paranoid). Don't just decide to side with the racists ("blame eschewers") because you want things to be a certain way. And yes, many English names can be traced back to Hebrew, but the average person doesn't know the etymoplogy of the names, so it's irrevelant that you and me know this.

Good articles

I really just wanted to see two things, which is why I asked for the articles - to see what they consider "black" and "white" names, and to laugh at their ignorace because you're right, they don't know the etymology of the names

Wonder what to name my kid...

Boy - Edmington III

Girl - Abigail Emilia-Marie Junior

['X']

Whoknows, this 'suburbia' you speak of??? You dont even know me like that... So be easy... Talkin about 'suburbia' yea now I live in the suburbs, but back then, shit, I aint even gonna speak on it. But assume Not. Because you know not.

u is talking about u are a manager with all these white people under u but where are the brothers? why u ain't hired none?

Ouch!!!


So you peeped that to huh?

[A Ghost]

don't u know that the hating is so bad by these white folks that when ever we turn in some paper work they are looking at our phone numbers, zipcodes and names and determining that we are black and denying us shit because of that.

Either you're mad paranoid or ignorant.

Phone numbers and names determine you're black?

Ya okay.

You realize Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, West Los Angeles, and Compton all share the 310 area code?

You realize anyone could name their kid anything?

I know a black family whose last name was "Whiteside." I repeat, WHITEside lol

I know a white girl name Shanika.

Besides knowing for a fact or seeing you in person, you can't determine being black from the things you listed.
If anything, it's easy to tell Asians. Try applying as "Jang Yu Lee" and not have people know right away you're Asian lol (not my name by the way, but a common one regardless)

Actually stuff like that does occur. There was a study done by a professor at a college that was black. He wanted to see if he could get hired or not just by the way he talked.

First he tried to talk as "white" as he could and they told him they had some positions available.

Then he hung up, waited then called back and talked in slang and tried to talk as "black" as he could and they told him they no positions available.

Then he did it a third time with a spanish accent and they refused him once more. So basically the experiment meant:

White=Job

Black=No Job

Hispanic=No job

Not only that but people around here say they can tell what race someone is just by their phone number. For example a lot of people here say that if there is a phone number that begins with 990- then it belongs to someone black because it's a Cricket phone.

It sounds pretty racist but it happens. Not only that if you tell somebody your address they can automatically tell if you arew most likely going to be black or white.

[se11]

what's BS is that u tellin brotha's that if u can make it anybody can, which is a lie.

if you tell every black man that, your dooming your entire race.

u is talking about u are a manager with all these white people under u but where are the brothers? why u ain't hired none?

he's a manager. he's hiring who he thinks will get his buisiness done the best. if a black kid with a 9 XL hoody and a du rag comes into his office, would he hire them? would YOU hire them? whoever he hires is his buisness. literally.

what's bull shit is that we have brothers that make it and become black managers like your self but they ain't hiring other brothers.

brother dont have to "cut otha brothas a break". if they feel a white, asian, latino, samoan, hawiian, tongang, arab, whatever is going to do the job better than a black guy, then they can hire whoever they want. you feel that because your black, black managers should hire you? if the boss thinks you'll probably wind up coming in late 3 times a week, doing a half assed job, and getting customers mad your not going to get a job. it's not about skin color; its about presentation, attitude, and politness.

[Common Sense]

At a time when the U.S. economy is on the upswing and more people are finding work, young African American men are falling further behind.

Agreed.

The U.S. Census Bureau estimates there are about 5 million black men in America between the ages of 20 and 39. The new books, and an earlier one from Harvard, find them losing ground in mainstream American society, despite advances made by black women, presumably part of the same socioeconomic experience.

Black women are doing far better than black. They have become the new head of household due to years of absent fathers.

This vexing problem, caused by a variety of social ills, is equally vexing when scholars consider what causes it.
Among the studies' findings:
Rates of imprisonment for young black men escalated throughout the 1990s and continued climbing well into the current decade. About 16 percent of black men in their twenties who were not college students were either in jail or in prison.

So true. Many young black males consistently fail to realize that they have been put on notice over a decade ago, that they will spend more than half their life time in prison, if the trippin' don't stop. I feel this is true partly from the glamourization of ghetto fabulous living. You have generations of fools raising fools. It's almost impossible to break that cycle unless one goes and lives somewhere else.

* African Americans are seven times more likely to go to prison or jail than whites.

I agree. I feel it's a mixture of justice system racism and being stupid. The crimes that some of these young people commit are just plain stupid.

* Almost 60 percent of black male high school dropouts in their early thirties have spent time in prison.

Agreed.

* The percentage of young jobless black men continues to increase, part of a trend that generally hasn't abated in decades. In 2000, about 65 percent of black male high-school dropouts had no jobs, either because they couldn't find work or because they were in jail. By 2004, the studies found that number had grown to 72 percent. The numbers for young black men were higher than for whites and Hispanics similarly affected.

There's discrimination already set in for blacks males thanks to the media and hollywood, but a black male with minimal education and limited social skills, will have a hard time.

“The 1990s were an eye-opener,” said Harry Holzer, a professor of public policy at Georgetown University. “You had the strongest labor market in 30 years; all things being equal, those were good times for African Americans. A lot of black moms were entering the labor market, but the dads kept dropping out.”

Let's not forget the percentage of men that don't want to work, don't want to re train, do not want to put in the painful grinding work of trying to legally get ahead and prosper. Women are getting theirs, they have children to raise ...alone.

Holzer also cited state child-support systems and more aggressive enforcement of laws against “deadbeat dads,” late or delinquent on support payments.

Dads need to get on the ball. How can a dad not want to feed, clothe, and emotionally support their child, regardless of what they feel about the mother.

But for Holzer, the biggest problem is the large number of imprisoned men. “When you have a system where one-third of African American men are in the criminal justice system, you’re going to have problems.”

Fools always feel they can beat the system. You have to be a genius today to get away with crime, at least for a lengthy period of time. It's takes a smart man to be a professional criminal, most fools don't even want to go to school, so you know where that's going to lead.

He says solutions will be rooted in education and employment. “I think we need to emphasize three broad approaches: first, a range of education, training and youth development, especially in middle school and high school, to prevent boys from disconnecting and to prepare them for the labor market.''

You ask a young man: What do you want to do?
1. Basketball player (<1%make it)
2. Rapper/ enertainment. (figures unknown to me)

‘Self-fulfilling prophecy’
Otherwise, Holzer senses the persistence of a chilling condition among young black American men, what might be called pre-emptive despair.

Agreed.

“You see this disconnection problem, with young boys in their adolescent years starting to drift away,” he said.

Agreed.

“The girls are graduating more. But it's almost as if these young boys look down the road and sense a bleak future and they disconnect early — a self-fulfilling prophecy.”

Many young fellows want to take the easy route. They can make it today in America if they try.

[MiChuhSuh]

don't u know that the hating is so bad by these white folks that when ever we turn in some paper work they are looking at our phone numbers, zipcodes and names and determining that we are black and denying us shit because of that.

Either you're mad paranoid or ignorant.

Phone numbers and names determine you're black?

Ya okay.

You realize Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, West Los Angeles, and Compton all share the 310 area code?

You realize anyone could name their kid anything?

I know a black family whose last name was "Whiteside." I repeat, WHITEside lol

I know a white girl name Shanika.

Besides knowing for a fact or seeing you in person, you can't determine being black from the things you listed.
If anything, it's easy to tell Asians. Try applying as "Jang Yu Lee" and not have people know right away you're Asian lol (not my name by the way, but a common one regardless)

Actually stuff like that does occur. There was a study done by a professor at a college that was black. He wanted to see if he could get hired or not just by the way he talked.

First he tried to talk as "white" as he could and they told him they had some positions available.

Then he hung up, waited then called back and talked in slang and tried to talk as "black" as he could and they told him they no positions available.

Then he did it a third time with a spanish accent and they refused him once more. So basically the experiment meant:

White=Job

Black=No Job

Hispanic=No job

Not only that but people around here say they can tell what race someone is just by their phone number. For example a lot of people here say that if there is a phone number that begins with 990- then it belongs to someone black because it's a Cricket phone.

It sounds pretty racist but it happens. Not only that if you tell somebody your address they can automatically tell if you arew most likely going to be black or white.

What did he use to define "talking white"

I seriously doubt anyone "talking white" would have been hired if we had some hardcore white Alabama/deep Georgia whites in there

Ied gitterunn fastarren ah jackrabbit-hoppinnonn-a buttert'skilletten-June-ah'noon

lol I doubt hiring much less UNDERSTANDING real "white talk"
I bet reading that took some time didn't it? I have actually seen a letter written like that, on paper

I think this has more to do with the confusion of "white talk" with "proper English" (for example my post is in "proper English" and not "white slang")

"White slang" is the hardest to understand out of all slangs I have ever encountered, and while more of America is exposed to black slang I never hear much of white slang

Recently there's some more "redneck" and "Larry the Cable Guy" stuff coming out but that isn't nearly as hardcore as some of these guys.

[MiChuhSuh]

O and since I'm in the state of the beach boys I can't forget

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE

That's soooo TOOOOOOOTALLLY RAAD

TUBULAR MAAAAAAAAN


RRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHTEOUS

Ya, I'm sure any employer would hire an interviewee like that

O and in Northern Cali whites

"Chillax" dude
that's hecka, hella, hecka, hella.......

lol

[BlaKK]

Whoknows you dumb nigga. I dont have any "Brothas" under my belt Cuz I have no jurasdiction in regards to who gets hired in my department, The hiring coordinator does... So what the fuck am I to do? Listen nigga dont get slapped.

Over here and you sware like everythings all good and gravy loc, Like I aint been thru dirt, I just came through. And I aint even gonna lie, hell motha-fuckin yeah im on top. And there aint shit anybody can do to stop that, or take that from me...

When I choose who to hire from an already alterd list of potential employees, I dont look at race, I look for who's best suited for the job, The better they do the better I do. Nigga thats the buisness. And thats what its goin' be.

[Y.G.]

Whoknows you dumb nigga. I dont have any "Brothas" under my belt because I have no jurasdiction in regards to who gets hired in my department, The hiring coordinator does... So what the fu-- am I to do? Listen nigga dont get slapped.

Over here and you sware like everythings all good and gravy loc, Like I aint been thru dirt, I just came through. And I aint even gonna lie, hell motha-fuckin yeah im on top. And there aint shit anybody can do to stop that, or take that from me...

When I choose who to hire from an already alterd list of potential employees, I dont look at race, I look for who's best suited for the job, The better they do the better I do. Nigga thats the buisness. And thats what its goin' be.

SO BASICALLY YOUR BITCH ASS IS A PUPPET AT PUNK ASS BEST BUY

[UmanH-ay]

Whoknows you dumb nigga. I dont have any "Brothas" under my belt because I have no jurasdiction in regards to who gets hired in my department, The hiring coordinator does... So what the fu-- am I to do? Listen nigga dont get slapped.

Over here and you sware like everythings all good and gravy loc, Like I aint been thru dirt, I just came through. And I aint even gonna lie, hell motha-fuckin yeah im on top. And there aint shit anybody can do to stop that, or take that from me...

When I choose who to hire from an already alterd list of potential employees, I dont look at race, I look for who's best suited for the job, The better they do the better I do. Nigga thats the buisness. And thats what its goin' be.

this what this country is all about, but matter a fact, all countries, its all up for the best man for the job, who has the most potential and skills as Blakk said

[perongregory]

skills for that BS. All you do is walk around and state some memorized facts to customers, or ring they shit up. If you listen to se11 he talkin some discrimination shit sayin blacks gonna be up in best buy with 2XXL T's and shit when you gotta wear a uniform in the first place. Who's more suited for that kinda retail store job? A white person cause you feel he seems less threatening to customers, and cause you think he's gonna be a better worker than a black because of stereotypes? A test can't predict the actual full potential of someone. If you don't give a mufucka a job cause you feel he's gonna be late , due to some innate racist shit on your part, it aint all good. You gotta give everyone a fair chance.

[UmanH-ay]

skills for that BS. All you do is walk around and state some memorized facts to customers, or ring they shit up

if i were to say skills, it would be like "speech skils" and you know being able to clearly communicate to customers (if this happens to be at best buy) being patient

[perongregory]

see but right there you already basing your shit of some stereotypes. Why should some white dude have more sway over me because the employer feels that since I'm black I'm more likely to fly off the handle? The language stuff, well...I sorta agree with you but I don't see the problem with speaking Ebonics as long as you're not using slang. People understand Ebonics. And if you don't agree, well then all those white southern people shouldn't be working at their Best Buys, cause they speak some a dialect similar to Ebonics. But if you're speaking Ebonics laced with slang and Calo and shit, well those are real esoteric dialects, that mainstream society is not familiar with.

[UmanH-ay]

im not sure where you say im baseing my statement on stereotypes, i was just been quite general with comment about skills and all.

[perongregory]

My bad. I guess I read into your statement more than I should've. I'm just saying you can't look at stereotypes and then say, well to avoid the predisposition that this individual of this race has to acting in this manner, I'm not gonna hire him/her. Becuase, you have no definite proof that, that particular dude is gonna be like that. You smell me?

[UmanH-ay]

i gotcha^^

[BlaKK]

Whoknows you dumb nigga. I dont have any "Brothas" under my belt because I have no jurasdiction in regards to who gets hired in my department, The hiring coordinator does... So what the fu-- am I to do? Listen nigga dont get slapped.

Over here and you sware like everythings all good and gravy loc, Like I aint been thru dirt, I just came through. And I aint even gonna lie, hell motha-fuckin yeah im on top. And there aint shit anybody can do to stop that, or take that from me...

When I choose who to hire from an already alterd list of potential employees, I dont look at race, I look for who's best suited for the job, The better they do the better I do. Nigga thats the buisness. And thats what its goin' be.

SO BASICALLY YOUR BITCH ASS IS A PUPPET AT PUNK ASS BEST BUY

I know exactly what the capitalists system is all about, I am no Puppet, Dumb ass nigga. Mad cuz you aint never had a job. Broke ass ho punk Bitch Nigga. And quit typin in caps too Bitch, nigga you aint built like that.
Retarded ass nigga over here. Need to get his neck split.

['X']

see but right there you already basing your shit of some stereotypes.

Excactly, why dude only description of Blacks going to a interview is the way he described it?

[se11]

skills for that BS. All you do is walk around and state some memorized facts to customers, or ring they shit up. If you listen to se11 he talkin some discrimination shit sayin blacks gonna be up in best buy with 2XXL T's and shit when you gotta wear a uniform in the first place. Who's more suited for that kinda retail store job? A white person cause you feel he seems less threatening to customers, and cause you think he's gonna be a better worker than a black because of stereotypes? A test can't predict the actual full potential of someone. If you don't give a mufucka a job cause you feel he's gonna be late , due to some innate racist shit on your part, it aint all good. You gotta give everyone a fair chance.

whos going to get the job at an interview? a black kid with a tall tee, a du rag, pants hanging off their ass, talking slang or ANYBODY ELSE who comes in and presents themself a little bit nicer?

[se11]

Whoknows you dumb nigga. I dont have any "Brothas" under my belt because I have no jurasdiction in regards to who gets hired in my department, The hiring coordinator does... So what the fu-- am I to do? Listen nigga dont get slapped.

Over here and you sware like everythings all good and gravy loc, Like I aint been thru dirt, I just came through. And I aint even gonna lie, hell motha-fuckin yeah im on top. And there aint shit anybody can do to stop that, or take that from me...

When I choose who to hire from an already alterd list of potential employees, I dont look at race, I look for who's best suited for the job, The better they do the better I do. Nigga thats the buisness. And thats what its goin' be.

SO BASICALLY YOUR BITCH ASS IS A PUPPET AT PUNK ASS BEST BUY

I know exactly what the capitalists system is all about, I am no Puppet, Dumb ass nigga. Mad because you aint never had a job. Broke ass ho punk Bitch Nigga. And quit typin in caps too Bitch, nigga you aint built like that.
Retarded ass nigga over here. Need to get his neck split.

this is why so many black people dont have jobs. because when somebody does nobody is happy for him. no "nice work" or "way to climb the ladder" or dont say anything. instead its "your a sellout" and "hire black people". worry about yourself and not other people.

[A Ghost]

Ied gitterunn fastarren ah jackrabbit-hoppinnonn-a buttert'skilletten-June-ah'noon

O and since I'm in the state of the beach boys I can't forget

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE

That's soooo TOOOOOOOTALLLY RAAD

TUBULAR MAAAAAAAAN


RRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHTEOUS

Northern Cali whites


"Chillax" dude
that's hecka, hella, hecka, hella.......

GGAAA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

And What the fuck is a Hecka??

see but right there you already basing your shit of some stereotypes. Why should some white dude have more sway over me because the employer feels that since I'm black I'm more likely to fly off the handle? The language stuff, well...I sorta agree with you but I don't see the problem with speaking Ebonics as long as you're not using slang. People understand Ebonics. And if you don't agree, well then all those white southern people shouldn't be working at their Best Buys, cause they speak some a dialect similar to Ebonics. But if you're speaking Ebonics laced with slang and Calo and shit, well those are real esoteric dialects, that mainstream society is not familiar with

Esoteric??

Esoteric Johnson!?

That mutha fucka owes me $20!!

Dumb ass nigga. Mad because you aint never had a job. Broke ass ho punk Bitch Nigga.[b] And quit typin in caps too Bitch, nigga you aint built like that.
[b]Retarded ass nigga over here. Need to get his neck split.

AAAHH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!


Damn Blakk you need to start posting more again...

[BlaKK]

Non-sense... I recon somebody saying that the most well suited employees are white employees, Another ill omed fucked up ass accusation... You speak as if you are some fool. And half of you are ignorant and too incoherent to heed the facts, completly oblivious to the subject. Niggas over here talkin about bieng a slave to Best Buy? You dumb ass nigga youre the slave to the system, Now watch the government roll you up like a fat ass blunt, and smoke yo retarded ass, while you rot in your own shit, blinded by the facts at hand. You see I entered the buisness with a pre-meditated agenda that I and I will carry out, forsurely, Im not one of 'them' iliterate nieve best buy employee, Who absorb all the bull-shit profit talk spoken through the hierarchy, I know precisely what the fu-ck is up, and take it to head, People Over Profit... I discearn, BS from fact, Lie from truth... Trust and Believe... So lets not get fuckin stupid.

I refuse to be another statistic to the bald headed white man. Fuck affirmitive action, I dont need help from NOBODY just open up the door, and I'll get that shit myself... Need not to feed off the white mans hand, Like a fuckin slave bird. I came up on my own terms... Nobody gave me shit. So get that clear nigga. Folk over here speakin utter ludacris... Fu-ck White help... Fu-ck un-employment... And motherFuck Wellfair.... Go your own, get your own, hold your own, pull your own. Point blank.

[BlaKK]

Quit actin like a little Ho ass, Beggin for retribution... Like Rasta once said "rebuke the hand that feeds you, for it is a lie"

[MiChuhSuh]

[GGAAA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

And What the fu-- is a Hecka??

lol some of my friends moved to North Cali - Bay area, Fremont, Davis, etc.

They out of nowhere started saying "hecka" and "hella"

as is "heck of" or "hell of" but not in proper grammer

example: that's hecka tight

I think it's more than just whites in NorthCal saying that but it's mostly them

[whoknows]

see but right there you already basing your shit of some stereotypes.

Excactly, why dude only description of Blacks going to a interview is the way he described it?

cause the muhfucka racist.....

he ain't say shit bout them skin heads, gothics and punk rockers in stores with they white make-up, black lipstick, piercings all in they face, spikes in their hair, satanic jewelery and trenchcoats.

shit them muhfuckas b scaring me looking like vampires and devils.

he should know you can't judge people by what they wear. look at that homeland security guy doyle he dressed in a suit but the muhfucka up on child porn charges. the muhfucka pro'lly a pedophile.

[whoknows]

Whoknows you dumb nigga. I dont have any "Brothas" under my belt because I have no jurasdiction in regards to who gets hired in my department, The hiring coordinator does... So what the fu-- am I to do? Listen nigga dont get slapped.

Over here and you sware like everythings all good and gravy loc, Like I aint been thru dirt, I just came through. And I aint even gonna lie, hell motha-fuckin yeah im on top. And there aint shit anybody can do to stop that, or take that from me...

When I choose who to hire from an already alterd list of potential employees, I dont look at race, I look for who's best suited for the job, The better they do the better I do. Nigga thats the buisness. And thats what its goin' be.

who u screamin on ho cake? u need 2 take it down a notch 4 real, cause u might b tough on screen but suburbia ain't runnin shit.. so b easy.

[UmanH-ay]

see but right there you already basing your shit of some stereotypes.

Excactly, why dude only description of Blacks going to a interview is the way he described it?

cause the muhfucka racist.....

he ain't say shit bout them skin heads, gothics and punk rockers in stores with they white make-up, black lipstick, piercings all in they face, spikes in their hair, satanic jewelery and trenchcoats.

shit them muhfuckas b scaring me looking like vampires and devils.

he should know you can't judge people by what they wear. look at that homeland security guy doyle he dressed in a suit but the muhfucka up on child porn charges. the muhfucka pro'lly a pedophile.

read what i said before, i said i was being quite general with my comment