King Tut controversy.

These concepts are socially constructed and have been given much weight. What are your thoughts?

Postby Anonymous20 » July 16th, 2005, 1:04 pm

blakman wrote:

But did you know that the original Iraqis or what used to be called Mesopatamia were black people.


There is no evidence of that. Most African scholars will not state that. Now, I am sure that there are those that believe that, and probably some notable people might claim that, but the overwhelming authority will not state that.


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What people need to know is, how words are used to confuse the masses of the people. Take for example the U.S government! They say that the new largest minority in the counrty are now latinos. :roll: Since when as Latino become a race? I would really like to know when latinos became a race. For most people it doesn't even occur to them that to be latino, you have to come from a spanish speaking country and to partake in the culture of that spanish speaking country. That's all it takes!! Again, I say that use of words is offen used to confuse people.



Actually the US Cenus bureua treats the Hispanic category completely different. Hispanic is the only category that you can select, and then pick Black or White too. And they have been doing this for years.

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Now, the middle east!! :roll: Can somebody please tell me where it's in the middle of? :?: Again,I will tell you that it is a play on words to confuse people! If there is a middle east,there also needs to be a middle west, a noth and a middle south! But, we all know that no such thing exist!! :lol: What people don't realize is, that the middle east used to be attached to the African continent, but over time, it got detached from the continent. What we now call the middle east, is really North east Africa. :o



The middle east is called the middle east because to the Europens, the Asian continent was the area of Oriental, or meaning East or Far East, and the area accros the Atlantic was Occidental meaning to the west, and the middle East is a central location. Their perpective. Has anyone ever seen a map of the world by Australians, or China. Every region has a different perpective of the world.

blakman wrote:But like everthing else they have done to africa like,lie cheat, steal,distort,hide and manipulate, they feel like they have to seperate egypt from africa and african history because, that is the only way to uphold the idea of white supremacy and to continue to perpetuate the idea of black inferiority!!


One reason why northern Africa is called the Middle East, is because of Arab colonialism and slavery. The Arabs had been invading and attacking northern Africa from the year 600 AD. Blaming white people or Europeans for the distorted perception Africa is a joke historically. Yes, since the 1400s, the French, English, the Beligiums, and Portuguese messed Africa up in the last 550 years. Yes they engaged in the first stages of white supremacy. But if we look at history, it was the Arabs that laid down the foundation for African slavery, it was the Arabs that colonized northern Africa, it is the Arabs that are enslaving Africans today, it was the Arabs that never left northern Africa and because of their occupation northern Africa has become the Middle East.

But lets not deviate too much from the topic of King Tuts race, What was he? Who realy knows? any other photos. or quote from the leading experts.?
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Postby blakman » July 16th, 2005, 2:33 pm

alonso wrote:
One reason why northern Africa is called the Middle East, is because of Arab colonialism and slavery. The Arabs had been invading and attacking northern Africa from the year 600 AD. Blaming white people or Europeans for the distorted perception Africa is a joke historically. Yes, since the 1400s, the French, English, the Beligiums, and Portuguese messed Africa up in the last 550 years. Yes they engaged in the first stages of white supremacy. But if we look at history, it was the Arabs that laid down the foundation for African slavery, it was the Arabs that colonized northern Africa, it is the Arabs that are enslaving Africans today, it was the Arabs that never left northern Africa and because of their occupation northern Africa has become the Middle East
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You are right, about the fact that the arabs laid the foundation for what Africa and Africans have had to go through with the europeans!! But when I say that white people did this and white people did that, that I am including Arabs with the europeans, even though I understand that Arabs are a lot like latinos were you have some white arabs,some black arabs, but most arabs, are for the most part, a mixed group of people!!!

That's why I got my own personal issues with arabs!! Before 9/11, the arabs really did not like or respect black people all over the country, even when we were spending our hard earned money in their shops. But after 9/11 happened, all of a sudden they're out here call me and my boys "brother" and telling me,that we minorities need to stick together! I had to tell him:"Look Habeeb :lol: .....no, but for real though Habeeb, just last week you were giving me bad looks and following me around like I stole something, but now, you want to call me your brother"!! :roll: I had to tell him to get the fu ck out of my face, before I hit him in the jaw for saying something like that!!! :evil: So yes I know all about the arabs man!! I just count them along with white people, that's all.
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Postby Anonymous20 » July 17th, 2005, 11:23 pm

well i wouldnt put Arabs in a white category, they are a mix of Mongoloid (asian) and Cacausoid (white) with some traces of Negroid (Black) in some of the population. Many white think of Arabs as "sand niggers" but they are certainly their own ethnicity and identity with nations stretching from Northern Africa to Iraq.

But what are some other thoughts on King Tut.
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Postby Fatestar » July 17th, 2005, 11:39 pm

A great majority of Arabs are Caucasian. Even though some are Mongoloid (Asian), and some Arabs exhibit a combination of Mongoloid and Caucasoid (Caucasian) features.
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Postby TheReal » August 5th, 2005, 6:23 am

alonso wrote:But what are some other thoughts on King Tut.


*I think that the bust of King Tut, that the french had created, as well as what the egyptians had created, along with the computer graphic design of Tut, in the Discovery Documentary, has a little bit of truth in each of them.

I personally believe that Tut was what we would consider today, a mulatto, or someone who's biracial, or multi-racial, with black ancestry. The reason why I feel that he has black ancestry in him, is because of his grandmother Queen Tye.

To me, this is an obvious black woman.

Not only that, my features are similar to that of Tuts bust (not the image constructed by the french), with full lips, pointed nose and straight hair, acquiline and somewhat high cheek bones, yet I'm still black. As a matter of fact, I have a friend whose from Eritrea, with curly brown hair, who has thin lips and a pointed nose, similiar to Tut's.

And his sister (who I am presently dating) has a cafe au lait type/mariney type of complexion, with brownish/reddish straight/wavy hair, that goes midway down her back. And also, she herself has acquiline features. So in the end, I do believe that the construction of Tut, created by the French, could've been more forthcoming in it's presentation, especially as it related to skin complexion, and race.


Additionally, the head structure of Tut, and how it's shaped, from what I've been able to witness, is a shape that is common amongst sub saharan black african folks primarily: just look at Duane Martin, and to a lesser extent, Tupac Shakur's cranial structure. It always appeared as if this cranial structure was negroid...
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Postby TheReal » August 5th, 2005, 6:28 am

And by the way, in the above post, when I mentioned the Eritrean ethnic group, just know that these folks are really Ethiopians, who within the last century, separated themselves from Ethiopia, and created their own nation...
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Re: King Tut controversy.

Postby razbojnik » September 10th, 2008, 10:44 am

Where the fuck did Gonzo go???
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Re: King Tut controversy.

Postby Sentenza » September 10th, 2008, 3:20 pm

Considering the fact that i was standing in front of his corpse last year i would say he looked to me as if he was arab looking, but i am not an expert on anthropological issues.

Other then that, concerning the question if ancient egyptians were black or not...
Some people claim that because the name of ancient Egypt was "Khemet", which means black land, all the people living there were black.
This is not true. I learned in Egypt, that that term refers to the flood of the Nile and the fertile black mud that it left behind on the shores on which the farmers grew their stuff, which made the land look black. Hence "black land".
That ancient Egyptians would base the name for their country on colour of skin and give it a racial touch doesnt make sense to me, since race and colour of skin did not play any role whatsoever in the world until the colonial era. This sounds to me as if people try to apply our modern scheme of thinking on the past.
But of course it is also stupid when white supremacist historians try to take away from the black-african influence on ancient egypt by claiming they were white. Either way it is stupid, causae no one gave a damn back then.
We just have to look at ancient wall paintings and hieroglyphs and it is not hard to tell that you had both, black and arab/light skinned people all over Egypt. And unlike some racists, historical evidence is not biased and doesnt lie.
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