Dr. Gonzo wrote: Capo wrote:
Hey check this out. All types of people are on those drawings hahahttp://www.catchpenny.org/race.html
But about race it is hard to completely define a skin color or certain people once again in a little box, it just doesn't exist. People are gonna try finding new and new characteristics (or boundaries) to try n categorize but it doesnt go that way, it's never gonna end. Like I said, I don't believe skin color was an issue back then and they were all over it like this is going. There were black, persian, meds, whatever you wanna name it mixing and since Egypy was a big empire I think it's natural other people often went there for merchandising and all, like a crossroad of neighbouring peoples. These discussions always come out like this. And some people go even as far to think that just coz theire skin color ressembles, they can relate to the culture and egyptian heritage, that's BS.
Of course the ancient Egyptians at one point were black they were conquered by the Nubians but that was near the end of ancient Egyptian civilization not beginning of their rule.
I'm just saying this race issue is getting completely stupid. Who's black, who's white, who's who, what color, just trying to define imaginary boundaries right there you know you can't get to the bottom of this. The egyptians didn't even believe in skin color and their society reflected that, the paintings and all, the colors, it mainly revolved around nationality, not with this stupid concept of 'race' which doesnt even exist.
This said, we might ask, "What color were the ancient Egyptians?" Being on the continent, Egypt has always been an African civilization though it straddles two regions, Africa and the Middle East. It's fairly clear that the cultural roots of ancient Egypt lie in Africa and not in Asia. Egypt was a subtropical desert environment and its people had migrated from various ethnic groups over its history (and prehistory), thus it was something of a "melting pot," a mixture of many types of people with many skin tones, some certainly from the Sub-Saharan regions and others from more Mediterranean climes. It is impossible to categorize these people into the tidy "black" and "white" terms of today's racial distinctions. The Egyptians are better classified using evidence of their language and their material cultures, historical records, and their physical remains because so-called "racial" identification has been elusive, much for the reasons cited above. Skulls have been measured and compared and DNA tests attempted in various forms, but conclusions are few. Skulls are more similar to those found in the Northern Sudan and less similar to those found in West Africa, Palestine, and Turkey. It seems that there has been some genetic continuity from Predynastic time through the Middle Kingdom, after which there was a considerable infiltration into the Nile Valley from outside populations. That the Egyptians by and large were dark is certain, and many must have been what we today call "black."
It is apparent that the ancient Egyptians did not make racial distinctions themselves, but rather ethnic distinctions based on nationality. Tomb paintings depicting captive Nubians may show them as being very dark, but this is an artistic convention stereotyping a nationality, and to conclude there were therefore no very dark Egyptians would be a non sequitur. Similarly, the skin tones in art depicting the Egyptians themselves adhere to convention rather than an absolutely accurate description of reality. Tutankhamun is variously shown as being black as in the guardian statues found in his tomb, and brown or beige as in the lotus bust (see photos above).
There has been a spate of controversy of late between "Afrocentric" authors and their critics, but the truth is that Egyptologists are not involved in some massive conspiracy of lies designed to subjugate black populations, as has often been charged. Indeed, most modern Egyptologists are rather taciturn when it comes to the subject of race. Nor have the black Africans been "robbed" of their legacy. Civilization as it exists today is the culmination of the historical development of mankind, layer upon layer from ancient times to modern, each group contributing its share to the whole. Through human interaction, whether by trade or warfare, ideas, reform, and invention are assimilated, adapted, and again dispersed. It's the nature of history regardless of ethnicity. To make petty and arbitrary distinctions based on human physical appearance is divisive and can only lead to wanton racist misuse. No good can come of it beyond establishing immediate and limited familial ties; beyond this the discussion of race has no place in science. We can safely conclude that the ancient Egyptians were of various skin colors, few of which were light judging by the climate.
The bottom line, is egyptians were a mixed people (like everybody is deep down, but with characteristics of the neighbouring people), not 'black', not 'persian' or whichever other fuckin name you wanna call it just to make racist divisions. I don't understand this whole thing about race man, if the egyptians themselves didn't go by race (they went by nationality, religion) and that we're talking about them, why are we trying to apply race and skin color to their civilization?