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These concepts are socially constructed and have been given much weight. What are your thoughts?

Postby bgcasper » June 21st, 2007, 9:34 pm

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NICKELS wrote:PERON , CAN YOU TAKE THIS ONE ?? ..............LOL :lol: :lol:

RICHBOY QUOTE "

Yeh most of africans are black but if i ever seen a white african i wouldnt say oh he is half black because he from Africa.

ARE THERE ANY NATIVE WHITE AFRICAN TRIBES ???? :lol: :lol:


hahah, nah homie Ima let you school the youngsta. the colors is metaphors, just like some blacks call each other niggas. mufuckas dont want to get all scientifical with it all the time talkiin bout he is negroid, and he is a cacausoid or mongloid...thats why we got simple colors.

now entire nation have been created by mixed people who got both caucasian mongoloid and negroid genes the otoman empire and what yall call arabs are a mix..now concerning native white african tribes u seems to have short knowledge of what goin on in the ''poor''world like your president ..in fact .. native tribes from north africa are white !!!!!the concept of a pure race is a pure joke !!!!therefore u calling yourself different physycali thats a fact but on my book when shit gos down most of what u call ''your people ''would fly thru the sky and drop bomb allover poormans land with and for the white mans ...mohamed ali a hero by refusing to fight in viet nam was breakin out of that categorie therefore are u a cop nickels ????
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Postby MiChuhSuh » June 21st, 2007, 10:15 pm

perongregory wrote:but how they havin this ho ass bitch agelina jolie play a half black woman, why coouldnt they get a real mix? that ho dont look black.


neither does Alicia Keys without a tan and braids:
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Postby MiChuhSuh » June 21st, 2007, 10:21 pm

NICKELS wrote:FATJOE ABOUT 80 % WHITE AND HAS BLOND HAIR AND COLORED GREEN EYES , I SEEN HIM IN PERSON , HE WONT GROW HIS HAIR HES ASHAMED - MIXED WHITE IS STILL WHITE TO ME ...................HES GOT STR8 HAIR ALL OVER HIS ARMS AND KNECK


I have an afro on my nuts

off topic? maybe.

just pointing out how arbitrary categorization is, the "boundaries" are up to an individual, there is no indisputable line

remember on September 10, 2001, most Arabs were Caucasian....
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Postby MiChuhSuh » June 21st, 2007, 10:41 pm

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perongregory wrote:but how they havin this ho ass bitch agelina jolie play a half black woman, why coouldnt they get a real mix? that ho dont look black.

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LOL at that title:
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On a side note, I don't care what she was looking like that day, I would WRECK that chick

I would hit that so hard whoever could pull me out would be the next king of England
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Postby TheReal » June 22nd, 2007, 6:04 am

NICKELS wrote:LETS SAY BLACK CULTURE IS NOT POPULAR 10 YEARS FROM NOW , AND WE START GETTING A BAD REPUTATION AGAIN , ON OUR RACE , HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL STILL WANT TO ACT BLACK OR CLAIM THEY GOT BLACK IN THEM...........BECAUSE THAT CLAIMIN PEOPLE DOWN WITH BLACKS STARTED AFTER THE PANTHERS STARTED LAYING IT DOWN .....BEFORE THAT ALL RACES TREATED BLACKS BAD


From an historical perspective, black culture has always been popular. People have always been fascinated by huge portions, or small portions, of black culture, since the days of slavery, on up until now, with its ebbs and flows, and guess what? During the days of this country's darkest oppression of black folks, you still had plenty of mixed black folks, or just light-skinned black folks, who weren't and aren't dark-skinned as you purport to be, who was still loyal to the black race, and were freedom fighters for the black race.

You see, you have just ordinary light skinned black folks, then you have those who fall under the category of being "mixed" in the sense that they have one parent that is codified upon under the black identity, whereas the other parent is classified racially, as other. And within both of those groups of black folks, you have produced black freedom fighters for the cause, such as Thurgood Marshall, Adam Clayton Powell, Jr., Malcolm X, Dr. Daniel Hale Williams, Booker T. Washington, Farrakhan, Frederick Douglass, Bob Marley and the like, who were light skinned, heavily mixed blacks, with two parents either classically identified and codified as being black, or those with one white parent, BUT THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS WERE, AND STILL ARE RELEVANT TO THE BLACK EXPERIENCE!

And mind you, again, many of these folks claimed the black identity, during a time-WHEN IT WAS HIGHLY UNPOPULAR!

Just because someone's a darker skinned black person, doesn't mean that they are more racially conscious than a black person who's light, or heavily mixed. For in the end, when it comes to linking up, I'D RATHER RIDE WITH LIGHT SKINNED MALCOLM ANY DAY, THAN WITH DARK SKINNED CLARENCE THOMAS!

I'd rather ride with Huey Newton any day, THAN WITH ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS, or LARRY ELDERS!!!!

The point I'm making is, being black, and having that black soul, and black consciousness, transcends skin color, because in both light-skinned black folks category, and darker skinned black folks category, and in between-YOU HAVE YOUR CONSCIOUS FOLKS, AND YOUR SELLOUTS!

Notwithstanding, as I said before-WHO CARES ABOUT WHAT A JUDGE RULED ON, AND NOT RULED ON? Our unity as a people, and how it metamorphisized, is much deeper, in a spiritual sense, than what was determined by a gavel. Don't get caught up into the judge's gavel, for as I said before in the previous post-WHAT WHITE FOLKS INTENDED FOR EVIL, ONE CAN SAY THAT GOD INTENDED FOR GOOD!

Black folks in other countries, who don't have such traditionally codified laws when it comes to race, will generally refer to someone who is half-black and white, or whatever, as black, whether they be from Europe, Africa, or the Caribbean. Like this one Ghanaian guy said to me: "In my country, if you're part Ghanaian, you are full Ghanaian, therefore black."

Hell, Sade in an interview, even admitted that she was black, and mind you, her mother was a white British woman, and her father an black African man.

Not only that, even mexicans and latinos, are allowing those who are part black and mexican, and especially those who are part white (or just white, I guess), to choose sides, and embrace the mexican identity; and the same goes for native americans (mainly and primarily, when it comes to white folks, not black folks)-but the only group of people, with so much time on their hands, who are arrogantly (and proud of it) regressing and jettison off significant portions of their army, all in the name of myopic and shortsighted interests, ARE BLACK FOLKS!

I guess we became so free in this country, or have obtained such a modicum of freedom in this country, to where we feel so secure and overly chauvinistic in our black pride, to where get beside ourselves with the little power that we do have, and begin to play games, and abuse other members of the family.

Of course if you're ligther in this country, from an historical bent, you may have, or downright had it, BETTER THAN BLACK FOLKS IN THIS COUNTRY WHO WERE DARKER SKINNED, WITHOUT A DOUBT!! I also know that you had plenty of lighter skinned negroes, throughout their history, who had it easier, but nevertheless stepped up, and used their "light skin privilege," to bust down doors of opportunity-SO THAT THEY CAN LET THE REST OF THE BLACK FOLKS IN!

Furthermore, you had light skinned black folks, despite instances of them being treated better (which contains a modicum of truth in that), nevertheless, suffering from the same pangs of slavery as their darker brethren or "full-black" brothers and sisters! Hell, Crispus Attucks, the one whom they claim to have died first during the American Revolutionary War, had a price on his head, by his slavemaster. Yes this man was a runaway, and guess how he was classified as? A MULATTO!

For this man to want to escape slavery, despite being a MULATTO, just goes to show me that his experience as black man, and as a slave, under the barbarous system of slavery-MADE NO GENETIC, NOR ANY INTENSE COLOR LINES, SEEING AS HOW THIS MULATTO MAN CONSIDERED IT OPPRESSIVE ENOUGH TO WANT TO ESCAPE!

The same goes with Frederick Douglass, who was a MULATTO! He hated slavery, his experiences during slavery, and despite being a MULATTO, he was still treated like a NIGGER, to where he wanted to escape to freedom. As a result of him escaping, he became a fiery anti-slavery crusader and abolitiionist.

And there are other examples and anecdotes that I can use, that is so numerous, it will take up whole chapters of books.

In the end, lighter skinned black folks, despite receiving a modicum of benefits, because they were light skinned, if during the days of jim crow and segregation, they were determined, or discovered to be black, they would suffer equally the same fate of their darker brethren, despite the urban legends and myths that are propagated to the contrary. Lighter skinned black folks were enslaved, had to sit in the back of the bus; use "colored only" facilities; etc.-JUST LIKE DARKER SKINNED BLACK FOLKS!

So naw man, in the end, black folks better be careful, when it comes to this issue, as it relates to who we're going to jettison off, despite the fact the fact that those we're jettisoning off, claim the black identity. Let's not cut off our noses just to spite our faces, while getting caught up into extreme bouts of emotionalism.

As a people, we need all of the troops, and to siphon those off who want to be apart of the army, by way of their badge of african genes-WILL ONLY PRODUCE NEGATIVE RESULTS, AND THE CONTINUAL DOWNWARD SPIRAL, OF THE OVERALL COLLECTIVE, BLACK COMMUNITY!

Simply put, be careful what you pray/ask for, because in the end, you may just get, what you cry out for, and are getting it right now, in small increments, if you know what to look for...

Yeah, black culture has always been popular, or arrogated, but we as black folks, in our overall history in this country, especially from a genetic standpoint-NEVER BEEN ALL THAT POPULAR, AS WE MAY WANT TO BELIEVE, LIVING IN THIS EPIC OF TIME!
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Postby Cold Bear » June 22nd, 2007, 7:04 am

perongregory wrote:
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perongregory wrote:I hear what you sayin nickels but what if that race war popped off tomm., what would mixed people do?


HIDE ...............LOL :lol: :lol:


they gonna have to pick a side if that was to arise, so what would be the criterion?


For males probably fathers side... your last name, what you go through life as being such as how you are identified what you look like more, or what you identify yourself as.
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Postby MiChuhSuh » June 22nd, 2007, 8:05 am

^ naw, a lot of Chicanos choose their "mother's side" as in Aztec and hate Spaniards

almost all half white/half black kids "choose" to be black
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Postby Cold Bear » June 22nd, 2007, 8:18 am

Chicanos don't count really because even though their origins are of mixed quality, they are not biracial in the classic sense, with the mother being one race and the father being another.

And half white / half black kids choose to be black because of the same reasons Nickels has said, because white society or white eyes deems an individual to be 'black' even if they have just a little bit of African heritage. due to society's pressures they choose blackness because that is what society at large views them as, or has them classified in order to preserve racial hierarchy / divisions. Also I have a friend who 'passes' who does not identify as black but mixed, being that he looks more white or latino, though his mother is dark.
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Postby NICKELS » June 22nd, 2007, 8:47 am

BGCASPER AND MICHUSUH .....YOU TWO DO NOT SOUND BLACK , I CAN TELL BY YOUR POST , YOUR MINDFRAME IS FROM A OUTSIDERS VIEW..... AND YOU DUMB AZZ WHOEVER SAID THERE IS NATIVE WHITE AFRICANZ YOU SHOULD NOT BE ON HERE POSTING SOUNDING THAT STUPIDDDDDD :roll: :roll: , THERE ARABS WHO MIGRATED TO NORTH AFRICA ....FROM ARABIA " DUMB AZZ .....DAMN GO LEARN SOMETHING BEFORE YOU GET ON HERE , .......ESPECIALLY AFRICAN HISTORY WHILE POSTIN WITH BLACK PEOPLE , ........NOT ALL BLACK ARE IN AFRICA , THEY IN OTHER PLACES ...THEY ALL LEFT AFRICA AT DIFF TIMES OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS , SAME GENETIC CONNECTION , ...AUSTRALIA , POLYNESIA , FIJI , INDIA , SAME PEOPLE DIVIDED BY EUROPEAN ANTHROPOLOGY CATEGORIES - ETC. ...YOU ARE NOT POSTING NOTHING WE HAVE NOT HAD GIANT DEBATES ON ALREADY , YOUR LATE WITH YOUR COMMON KNOWLEDGE , ......STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY WHATS BLACK IF YOUR NOT BLACK.....

WHEN BLACKS LOVE THERE SELVES LIKE OTHER RACES , THERE CONSIDERED A HATE GROUP , THEY DONT GO ATTACKING OTHER RACES , BUT SPEAK A LOT OF BLACK UNITY AND PRIDE , NOW THERE HATE GROUPS.

WHEN OUR CULTURE BECAME INTERNATIONALLY POPULAR , THEY WANTED US TO DROP THE WORD BLACK OFF OF IT CALL IT URBAN OR HIPHOP , WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY LABLED US AND OUR CULTURE THAT WAY............NOW EVERYBODY WANTS A PIECE OF US OR OUR LIFESTYLE OR MINDFRAME , NOW THERE COOL WITH US , AND WILL JUSTIFY A WAY TO BE AROUND US ,

NOW WE ALL GOOD I WANT TO SHARE YOUR CULTURE , VIBE OFF YOUR PEOPLE ........" NOT ALL PEOPLE BUT A WHOLE LOT ARE LIKE THIS "
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Postby NICKELS » June 22nd, 2007, 8:51 am

Cold Bear wrote:Chicanos don't count really because even though their origins are of mixed quality, they are not biracial in the classic sense, with the mother being one race and the father being another.

And half white / half black kids choose to be black because of the same reasons Nickels has said, because white society or white eyes deems an individual to be 'black' even if they have just a little bit of African heritage. due to society's pressures they choose blackness because that is what society at large views them as, or has them classified in order to preserve racial hierarchy / divisions. Also I have a friend who 'passes' who does not identify as black but mixed, being that he looks more white or latino, though his mother is dark.


WHEW THANK YOU , COLD BEAR , DAMN SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN THE REAL WORLD .......NOT JUST TALKING OUT THERE AZZ , WISHING LIFE WAS FANTASY
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Postby A Ghost » June 22nd, 2007, 9:40 am

MiChuhSuh wrote:
MiChuhSuh wrote:
perongregory wrote:but how they havin this ho ass bitch agelina jolie play a half black woman, why coouldnt they get a real mix? that ho dont look black.

Alicia Keys on TRL
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LOL at that title:
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On a side note, I don't care what she was looking like that day, I would WRECK that chick

I would hit that so hard whoever could pull me out would be the next king of England
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Im gonna stick around here for a while :shock: :lol: :wink:
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Postby bgcasper » June 22nd, 2007, 10:26 am

NICKELS wrote:BGCASPER AND MICHUSUH .....YOU TWO DO NOT SOUND BLACK , I CAN TELL BY YOUR POST , YOUR MINDFRAME IS FROM A OUTSIDERS VIEW..... AND YOU DUMB AZZ WHOEVER SAID THERE IS NATIVE WHITE AFRICANZ YOU SHOULD NOT BE ON HERE POSTING SOUNDING THAT STUPIDDDDDD :roll: :roll: , THERE ARABS WHO MIGRATED TO NORTH AFRICA ....FROM ARABIA " DUMB AZZ .....DAMN GO LEARN SOMETHING BEFORE YOU GET ON HERE , .......ESPECIALLY AFRICAN HISTORY WHILE POSTIN WITH BLACK PEOPLE , ........NOT ALL BLACK ARE IN AFRICA , THEY IN OTHER PLACES ...THEY ALL LEFT AFRICA AT DIFF TIMES OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS , SAME GENETIC CONNECTION , ...AUSTRALIA , POLYNESIA , FIJI , INDIA , SAME PEOPLE DIVIDED BY EUROPEAN ANTHROPOLOGY CATEGORIES - ETC. ...YOU ARE NOT POSTING NOTHING WE HAVE NOT HAD GIANT DEBATES ON ALREADY , YOUR LATE WITH YOUR COMMON KNOWLEDGE , ......STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY WHATS BLACK IF YOUR NOT BLACK.....

WHEN BLACKS LOVE THERE SELVES LIKE OTHER RACES , THERE CONSIDERED A HATE GROUP , THEY DONT GO ATTACKING OTHER RACES , BUT SPEAK A LOT OF BLACK UNITY AND PRIDE , NOW THERE HATE GROUPS.

WHEN OUR CULTURE BECAME INTERNATIONALLY POPULAR , THEY WANTED US TO DROP THE WORD BLACK OFF OF IT CALL IT URBAN OR HIPHOP , WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY LABLED US AND OUR CULTURE THAT WAY............NOW EVERYBODY WANTS A PIECE OF US OR OUR LIFESTYLE OR MINDFRAME , NOW THERE COOL WITH US , AND WILL JUSTIFY A WAY TO BE AROUND US ,

NOW WE ALL GOOD I WANT TO SHARE YOUR CULTURE , VIBE OFF YOUR PEOPLE ........" NOT ALL PEOPLE BUT A WHOLE LOT ARE LIKE THIS "
noi aint blacki aint white i aint yellow i aint mexican and imnot racist !!!and arabs moved with the invasion of the otoman empire and those white tribes in africa were there before the arabs and they are not arabs !!!!now U CHECC YOUR HISTORY PUNK!!!!!
HERE U GO AFRICAN GUIDE BERBER TRIBES THEY AINT ARAB U PUNK ...THEY ARE WHITE PEOPLE LIVIN IN NORTH AFRICAN MOUNTAIN
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Postby Sentenza » June 22nd, 2007, 10:28 am

Isnt Zidane Berber too?
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Postby TheReal » June 22nd, 2007, 12:06 pm

I consider anyone black, who has african ancestry, acknowledges it, and will identify with the black race.

All that talk about white folks creating the system of racial identification, and whatnot, still doesn't take away from the historical legacy of black identity, that I posted in my previous threads on this post.

I just had to put that on the record.
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Postby NICKELS » June 22nd, 2007, 12:20 pm

YOU DUMB AZZ , BERBERS WERE ORIGINALLY A AFRICAN PEOPLE BEFORE MIXING WITH ARABS & OTHERS , THEY ORIGINALY WERENT WHITE DUMB AZZ , THEY HAVE BEEN MIXING FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS - EVERY AFRICAN HISTORIAN CAN TELL YOU THAT GO DEEPER IN STUDY

VIETCONG - CUBAN , YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT LITTLE DIC

Berbers are non-Arabic tribes. Throughout the centuries Berbers have mixed with many ethnic groups, mostly Arabs. Because of this, Berbers have come to be identified by linguistics instead of racial basis. The Berber language has 300 closely related dialects. A number of tribes have their own distinct language. Some of the largest Berber tribes are Rif, Kabyle, Shawia, Tuareg, Haratin, Shluh, and Beraber. The written language is not commonly taught and is rarely used.
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Postby NICKELS » June 22nd, 2007, 12:24 pm

Sentenza wrote:Isnt Zidane Berber too?
Berbers are traditionally Muslim, and societies are quite fragmented. Berbers have had a constant struggle for power in North Africa with Arab tribes for centuries. The Barbary Coast of North Africa was named after the word Berber, and was known as a place where Arab and Berber pirates would prey on ships on the Mediterranean Sea. Traditionally, Berbers raised sheep and cattle. However, some Berbers subsist by working in flourmills, doing woodcarving, quarrying millstones, and making pottery or jewelry. Women were generally involved with housework, weaving, and pottery. Berbers generally live in rural areas. Their housing is usually clay huts or tents made out of goat hair. In larger villages, however, houses are made of stone. TODAY, most Berbers are migrant workers who work in SPAIN OR FRANCE.

AND FAR AS ZIDANE BEING BERBER OR MIXED WITH .
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Postby NICKELS » June 22nd, 2007, 12:30 pm

TheReal wrote:I consider anyone black, who has african ancestry, acknowledges it, and will identify with the black race.

All that talk about white folks creating the system of racial identification, and whatnot, still doesn't take away from the historical legacy of black identity, that I posted in my previous threads on this post.

I just had to put that on the record.


HEY REAL , NOW DO YOU CONSIDER ZIDANE , ITALIANS , ARABS , OR WHO EVER ELSE .......TO BE BLACK IF THEY ACKNOWLEGE HAVING SOME BLACK IN THERE ANCESTRY ???? EVEN THOUGH THERE OF ANOTHER RACE ??

ME AND YOU HAVE DIFF WAYS OF LOOKING AT BEING BLACK , YOU MAKE EASY TO CLAIM BLACK , I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO BE BORN BLACK. TIMES IS CHANGING TO ME .
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Postby bgcasper » June 22nd, 2007, 1:07 pm

NICKELS wrote:YOU DUMB AZZ , BERBERS WERE ORIGINALLY A AFRICAN PEOPLE BEFORE MIXING WITH ARABS & OTHERS , THEY ORIGINALY WERENT WHITE DUMB AZZ , THEY HAVE BEEN MIXING FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS - EVERY AFRICAN HISTORIAN CAN TELL YOU THAT GO DEEPER IN STUDY

VIETCONG - CUBAN , YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT LITTLE DIC

Berbers are non-Arabic tribes. Throughout the centuries Berbers have mixed with many ethnic groups, mostly Arabs. Because of this, Berbers have come to be identified by linguistics instead of racial basis. The Berber language has 300 closely related dialects. A number of tribes have their own distinct language. Some of the largest Berber tribes are Rif, Kabyle, Shawia, Tuareg, Haratin, Shluh, and Beraber. The written language is not commonly taught and is rarely used.
lolol as far as i know berber came from he word barbarians and came from goth and vandals and many barbarians type of tribes that did settle there 3000bc lolol and they were white and they were there way before muslim religion in that area .. and actually they are not known to be good muslim and was among the people that stood against the muslim when they engage in a war against their queen kahina along with them u had jewish tripes and the berber were animist !!!!and they did fight hard against the otoman and they tatoo their wife wich is against coran ...again their way of writting have nothing to do with weither muslim or any mesopotamik civilisation they use runes like norther warriors so quit the bs with them being originated in africa u dummm sissy ass ..they are and african tribe since 3000bc and they are white !!!!! lolol and concerning cuba and viet nam lolol uncle sam still bleed from viet dicks and cuba for a small island did bang hard on yall lololol leave me alone with those nationalist shit i aint proud of nothing but what i did so never gave a fucc about all that racist bs
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Postby NICKELS » June 22nd, 2007, 1:23 pm

YOUR RIGHT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW !?!?....Berbers Kingdoms and Tribes WERE ORIGINALLY BLACK AFRICANS ,

BEFORE INTERMINGLING AND MIXING , GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF EUROPEAN SCHOLARS AZZ ABOUT THE HISTORY OF AFRICA , HAVE YOU NOTICE THEY DONT THE MENTION RACIAL MAKE UP OF BERBERS OF ANCIENT TIMES THOUSAND OF YEARS AGO , THEY ONLY TALK OF TODAYS PRESENT RACIAL MAKE UP , READ DEEPER ...ABOUT AFRICAN HISTORY , OF BLACK PEOPLE

Berber is derived from the Roman term for barbarians. ANY RACE OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE ........

Berbers Kingdoms and Tribes WERE NATIVE BLACK AFRICANS IN EARLY TIMES


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Gaetulians: One of the three largest African desert tribes, they live to the south of the coastal kingdoms of Numidia and Mauretania. Their success as warriors lie in their mobility and their ability as riders of horses. Unlike other African desert tribes they tend to live in wooden fortified strongholds in places of strategic importance, although no large settlements are known to exist.



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Mauretania: Mauretania is the land of the Maures or the Moors. Ruled by King Boccus II, a grandson of King Jurgurtha of Numidia and a half-cousin of Juba I of Numidia, Mauretania, as its name signifies, is the land of the Mauri or more commonly the Moors. Some writers call these people Berbers, or the Barbary Coast as the area is infested with pirates. Like Numidia there were two tribes of Mauretania. The western tribe inhabiting the area around the Atlas Mountains, was known as the Tingitana tribe, while the more civilised eastern tribe was part of that western Numidian tribe known as the Massaesyli. This was the part of Numidia that was given to King Bocchus I after the defeat of King Jurgurtha of Numidia by the Romans in 106 BC. United by Bocchus, Mauretania repeatedly suffers from the raids of their southern neighbours the Gaetulians. A fertile land, Mauretania produces large amounts of corn and also has large quantities of timber. The best troops are cavalry, but a force of infantry made up of freedmen and mercenaries also exists.



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Numidia: The Kingdom of Numidia is traditionally divided into two great tribes, the traditionally pro-Roman Massaesyli in Western Numidia and the anti-Roman Massyli in Eastern Numidia, immeadiately adjacent to the Roman province of Africa, each with their own royal family. At its greatest height Numidia stretched from the borders of Mauretania in the west to the borders of Cyrenacia in the east, completely surrounding Africa Province. Since the death of king Massinissa in 148 BC the kingdom has shrunk. The main towns of Numidia are Theveste, Lambaesis, Cirta and Hippo. Juba I, the great-great grandson of Massinissa and the head of the Massyli tribe is the present king ruling from Cirta. The royal house of Massyli have long had ambitions to unite all of Northern Africa, including Mauretania and Roman Africa under their sway. Numidia also suffers from raids from their southern neighbours the Gaetulians and to a lesser extent from the nomadic Garamentes, further to the south-east. Due to the extensive horse resources of Numidia, the best troops are cavalry, but a force of infantry made up of freedmen and mercenaries also exists.





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Garamantes: The largest African desert tribe, operating from the desert city of Garama in the south. Their region is known as Phasania. The southern desert region is notoriously barren and the Berber tribes survive by knowing the location of drinkable water. In battle they rely almost exlusively upon showering their enemies with javelins then sweeping them aside with sudden ferocious infantry charges. They mainly fought on foot in ranks armed with pikes and their throwing missiles tend to be javelins.



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Augilae: One of the three largest African desert tribes, operating from the desert city of Augila in the south. They operate as far north as the coast of the Middle Sea and divide Cyrenaica from Egypt. The southern desert region is notoriously barren and the Berber tribes survive by knowing the location of drinkable water. Their success as warriors lie in their mobility and their ability as riders of camels. In battle they rely almost exlusively upon showering their enemies with javelins then sweeping them aside with sudden ferocious infantry charges in formation with pikes.



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Postby TheReal » June 22nd, 2007, 1:35 pm

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TheReal wrote:I consider anyone black, who has african ancestry, acknowledges it, and will identify with the black race.

All that talk about white folks creating the system of racial identification, and whatnot, still doesn't take away from the historical legacy of black identity, that I posted in my previous threads on this post.

I just had to put that on the record.


-HEY REAL , NOW DO YOU CONSIDER ZIDANE , ITALIANS , ARABS , OR WHO EVER ELSE .......TO BE BLACK IF THEY ACKNOWLEGE HAVING SOME BLACK IN THERE ANCESTRY ???? EVEN THOUGH THERE OF ANOTHER RACE ??

*No, because I will respect the racial designation, and codification, concerning their identity, and what their own society classifies as being black, white, etc.

We, in this country, who are of african descent, whether we be dark-skinned, light-skinned, or in between, have a foundation, a culture, and collective struggles, under the banner of one identity. Folks who are codified and classified as black, in other countries, that are predominantly black, will classify those who are half black, as those who are black, just like themselves.

White folks didn't need to push this one upon us, for almost every darker race naturally have done this, when it comes to dealing with those who are half, and half. Usually the darker race absorbs the identity of the person, with some exceptions mind you.

-ME AND YOU HAVE DIFF WAYS OF LOOKING AT BEING BLACK , YOU MAKE EASY TO CLAIM BLACK , I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO BE BORN BLACK. TIMES IS CHANGING TO ME.

*Me saying that Bob Marley is black, isn't the same as me making him an honorary black man, seeing as how HE WAS BORN A BLACK MAN, despite his father being a white man. Louis Farrakhan doesn't have to become an honorary black man, despite his father being rumored to be a white man, seeing as how HE WAS BORN A BLACK MAN!

Arabs, Italians, some berbers (because Tuaregs, who are berbers, in my eyes, are black), arabs and the like, again, are outside of the cultural rubric, when it comes to how we have traditionally, classified ourselves racially.

In the end, I stick by my position...
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Postby NICKELS » June 22nd, 2007, 1:41 pm

HERE YOU GO DUMB AZZ , FROM A EUROPEAN GENETIC EXAMPLE

THERE BLACK - AFRO ASIATIC

In general, genetic evidence appears to indicate that most north Africans (whether they consider themselves Berber or Arab) are predominantly of Berber Afro-Asiatic origin, and that populations ancestral to the Berbers have been in the area since the Upper Paleolithic era. Significant proportions of both the Berber and Arabized Berber gene pools derive from more recent migration of various Africans, and all other intruders who have left their genetic footprints in the region. Merriam-Webster defines "Berber" as "a branch" of the "Afro-Asiatic family".

For many centuries the Berbers inhabited the coast of North Africa from Egypt to the Atlantic Ocean. Over time, the coastal regions of North Africa saw a long parade of invaders, settlers,[3] and colonists including Phoenicians (who founded Carthage), Greeks (mainly in Cyrene, Libya), Romans, Vandals and Alans, Byzantines, Arabs, Ottomans, and the French and Spanish. Most if not all of these invaders have left some imprint upon the modern Berbers as have slaves brought from Southern Europe to the Barbary Coast by Barbary pirates (one estimate places the number of Europeans brought to North Africa during the Ottoman period as high as 1.25 million)[2]. Interactions with neighboring Sudanic empires, sub-Saharan Africans, and nomads from East Africa also left vast impressions upon the Berber peoples.Kingdom has attracted controversy in the past: particularly at the time of the 2001 Census where the existence and nature of such a classification, which appeared on the Census form, became more widely known than general.
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Different classifications, both formal and informal, are used in the UK. Perhaps the most accepted is the National Statistics classification (identical to that used in the 2001 Census in England and Wales) which contains the following groups.

WHITE

White: British
White: Irish
White: Other (Specify background)

MIXED

Mixed: White and Black Caribbean
Mixed: White and Black African
Mixed: White and Asian
Mixed: Other

ASIAN

Asian: Pakistani
Asian: Indian
Asian: Bangladeshi
Asian: Other

BLACK

Black or Black British: Black Caribbean
Black or Black British: Black African
Black or Black British: Other

CHINESE

Chinese or Other: Chinese
Chinese or Other: Other
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Postby TheReal » June 22nd, 2007, 1:44 pm

NICKELS wrote:HERE YOU GO DUMB AZZ , FROM A EUROPEAN GENETIC EXAMPLE

THERE BLACK - AFRO ASIATIC

In general, genetic evidence appears to indicate that most north Africans (whether they consider themselves Berber or Arab) are predominantly of Berber Afro-Asiatic origin, and that populations ancestral to the Berbers have been in the area since the Upper Paleolithic era. Significant proportions of both the Berber and Arabized Berber gene pools derive from more recent migration of various Africans, and all other intruders who have left their genetic footprints in the region. Merriam-Webster defines "Berber" as "a branch" of the "Afro-Asiatic family".

For many centuries the Berbers inhabited the coast of North Africa from Egypt to the Atlantic Ocean. Over time, the coastal regions of North Africa saw a long parade of invaders, settlers,[3] and colonists including Phoenicians (who founded Carthage), Greeks (mainly in Cyrene, Libya), Romans, Vandals and Alans, Byzantines, Arabs, Ottomans, and the French and Spanish. Most if not all of these invaders have left some imprint upon the modern Berbers as have slaves brought from Southern Europe to the Barbary Coast by Barbary pirates (one estimate places the number of Europeans brought to North Africa during the Ottoman period as high as 1.25 million)[2]. Interactions with neighboring Sudanic empires, sub-Saharan Africans, and nomads from East Africa also left vast impressions upon the Berber peoples.Kingdom has attracted controversy in the past: particularly at the time of the 2001 Census where the existence and nature of such a classification, which appeared on the Census form, became more widely known than general.
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Different classifications, both formal and informal, are used in the UK. Perhaps the most accepted is the National Statistics classification (identical to that used in the 2001 Census in England and Wales) which contains the following groups.

WHITE

White: British
White: Irish
White: Other (Specify background)

MIXED

Mixed: White and Black Caribbean
Mixed: White and Black African
Mixed: White and Asian
Mixed: Other

ASIAN

Asian: Pakistani
Asian: Indian
Asian: Bangladeshi
Asian: Other

BLACK

Black or Black British: Black Caribbean
Black or Black British: Black African
Black or Black British: Other

CHINESE

Chinese or Other: Chinese
Chinese or Other: Other


Was this addressed to Bgcasper?
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Postby NICKELS » June 22nd, 2007, 1:47 pm

THE REAL - I SEE BOB MARLEY AS MIXED , IT TOOK TWO DIFF RACES TO MAKE BOB , I WOULD NEVER IGNORE THE OTHER RACIAL PART OF A MIXED PERSON OR BI-RACIAL , AS IN TIGER WOODS OR HALLE BERRY OR DEREK JETER , I RESPECT THERE MIX , IT WOULD BE WRONG TO JUST CALL ED THEM ONLY ONE OF THERE PARENTS ....THATS AN INSULT

WE JUST HAVE TO DIFFERENT BELIEFS ABOUT OUR RACE ....
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Postby NICKELS » June 22nd, 2007, 1:48 pm

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Postby TheReal » June 22nd, 2007, 1:56 pm

NICKELS wrote:THE REAL - I SEE BOB MARLEY AS MIXED , IT TOOK TWO DIFF RACES TO MAKE BOB , I WOULD NEVER IGNORE THE OTHER RACIAL PART OF A MIXED PERSON OR BI-RACIAL , AS IN TIGER WOODS OR HALLE BERRY OR DEREK JETER , I RESPECT THERE MIX , IT WOULD BE WRONG TO JUST CALL ED THEM ONLY ONE OF THERE PARENTS ....THATS AN INSULT

WE JUST HAVE TO DIFFERENT BELIEFS ABOUT OUR RACE ....


To refer to yourself as being black, as the definition is defined in this country, isn't the same as ignoring and denying your other racial mix. Black folks in this country, whether they be dark-skinned, light skinned, or somewhere in between, never denied the fact that they may have had native-american blood, white blood, or whatever else type of blood in them. Why? Because to consider yourself "black" traditionally hasn't denoted purity of african blood, but the fact that you do have african blood.

Instead, black folks chose to identify with folks who are likeminded, when it comes to their sharing similar experiences, culture, and struggles, which isn't a bad thing, but a positive thing. I don't over think this thing, similar to how puerto ricans, or other latinos, don't over think the racial mix they contain, but yet they maintain their ethnic/racial solidarity, based on common denominators.

Black folks use to heavily operate this way as well, and us operating this way, has allowed us to forge ahead, mounting movements and protests that wouldn't have come about, if our people were fractured and fragmented.

Yes we have different views on race, and yet I still appeal to you, in that you don't throw the baby out of the bath water.
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Postby bgcasper » June 22nd, 2007, 2:06 pm

NICKELS wrote:THE REAL - I SEE BOB MARLEY AS MIXED , IT TOOK TWO DIFF RACES TO MAKE BOB , I WOULD NEVER IGNORE THE OTHER RACIAL PART OF A MIXED PERSON OR BI-RACIAL , AS IN TIGER WOODS OR HALLE BERRY OR DEREK JETER , I RESPECT THERE MIX , IT WOULD BE WRONG TO JUST CALL ED THEM ONLY ONE OF THERE PARENTS ....THATS AN INSULT

WE JUST HAVE TO DIFFERENT BELIEFS ABOUT OUR RACE ....



so according to u this man have more africandescent than bob ???
well if he make sum reggae and i cc his ass on a cover ill go for bob :wink: Image
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Postby NICKELS » June 22nd, 2007, 2:22 pm

BG CASPER YOUR A DUMB AZZ , DONT THEY TEACH YOU ANYTHING OVER SEAS ...YOUR CONFUSING MY POST WITH THE REAL IDEA OF SEEING WHAT BLACK IS ....

BOB MARLEY IS HALF BLACK , THAT MAN IS YOUR WHITE ARABIC BOYFRIEND , :P
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Postby NICKELS » June 22nd, 2007, 2:26 pm

WHY ARE YOU POSTING IN AMERICAN FORUM , TRYING TO LEARN FROM BLACK GANGS OR AMERICANGANG LIFESTYLE , AND TAKE IT BACK TO YOUR EUROPEAN FRIENDS AND FRONT LIKE YOU KNOW ABOUT AMERICA........STOP SUKING BALLZ AND CONCENTRATE ON YOUR COUNTRY AND INFATUATION WITH THESE IMAGINARY NATIVE WHITE AFRICANS.

NEXT YOUR GOING TO SAY ALL MAN ORIGINATED FROM WHITE AFRICANS TOOO , HUH ....YOUR A TRUE CLOWN
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Postby MiChuhSuh » June 22nd, 2007, 2:27 pm

NICKELS wrote:HERE YOU GO DUMB AZZ , FROM A EUROPEAN GENETIC EXAMPLE
ASIAN

Asian: Pakistani
Asian: Indian
Asian: Bangladeshi
Asian: Other



CHINESE

Chinese or Other: Chinese
Chinese or Other: Other


WHAT the F*CK DOES "CHINESE OR OTHER" MEAN?

Are you serious? What does a non-Paki, non-Indian, non-Bangladashi, non-Chinese Asian supposed to put, Asian other or Chinese other?

If this is how they take statistics they need to go back to high school
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Postby NICKELS » June 22nd, 2007, 2:31 pm

THERE BLACK - AFRO ASIATIC

In general, genetic evidence appears to indicate that most north Africans (whether they consider themselves Berber or Arab) are predominantly of Berber Afro-Asiatic origin, and that populations ancestral to the Berbers have been in the area since the Upper Paleolithic era. Significant proportions of both the Berber and Arabized Berber gene pools derive from more recent migration of various Africans, and all other intruders who have left their genetic footprints in the region. Merriam-Webster defines "Berber" as "a branch" of the "Afro-Asiatic family".

For many centuries the Berbers inhabited the coast of North Africa from Egypt to the Atlantic Ocean. Over time, the coastal regions of North Africa saw a long parade of invaders, settlers,[3] and colonists including Phoenicians (who founded Carthage), Greeks (mainly in Cyrene, Libya), Romans, Vandals and Alans, Byzantines, Arabs, Ottomans, and the French and Spanish. Most if not all of these invaders have left some imprint upon the modern Berbers as have slaves brought from Southern Europe to the Barbary Coast by Barbary pirates (one estimate places the number of Europeans brought to North Africa during the Ottoman period as high as 1.25 million)[2]. Interactions with neighboring Sudanic empires, sub-Saharan Africans, and nomads from East Africa also left vast impressions upon the Berber peoples.Kingdom has attracted controversy in the past: particularly at the time of the 2001 Census where the existence and nature of such a classification, which appeared on the Census form, became more widely known than general.

READ IT AGAIN , MY PONIT MADE NUFF SAID ...........THERE IS NO NATIVE WHITE AFRICAN TRIBE , THERE ARE PRESENTLY TODAY DESCENDANTS OF INVADERS FROM OUTSIDE AFRICA WHO BREEDED OUT THE ORIGIANL AFRICAN PEOPLE WHO NAME WAS CHANGED TO THE BERBER BY EUROPEANS , WICH MEANS BARBARIAN ........TOPIC CLOSED :twisted:
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Postby NICKELS » June 22nd, 2007, 2:34 pm

MiChuhSuh wrote:
NICKELS wrote:HERE YOU GO DUMB AZZ , FROM A EUROPEAN GENETIC EXAMPLE
ASIAN

Asian: Pakistani
Asian: Indian
Asian: Bangladeshi
Asian: Other



CHINESE

Chinese or Other: Chinese
Chinese or Other: Other


WHAT the F*CK DOES "CHINESE OR OTHER" MEAN?

Are you serious? What does a non-Paki, non-Indian, non-Bangladashi, non-Chinese Asian supposed to put, Asian other or Chinese other?

If this is how they take statistics they need to go back to high school


THATS WHAT THEY PUT ON PAPERS , IN EUROPE AND AMERICA ....OTHER ,

I GUESS THEY MEAN FILIPINOS AND POLYNESIANS ETC ., CRAZY BUT THATS WHAT THEY PUT FOR MIXED ASIANS .....SAD
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