Black Venezuelan President Offers Free Gas 2 Poor in US

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[quote="Jakk"]I Like Chavez and Castro there relly cool
1. hes not black hes Brown
2. hes a very wise man
3. hes a good leader for the People like castro
4. hes helping poor people in his own country too
5. Look for your self
chavez and castro hugging
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Chavez and Castro Best friends 4 life
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1.THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BROWN RACE AND IF IM BASING HIM ON HIS ACTUALL SKIN COLOR HIS OLIVE! NOT BROWN BROWN IS VERY DARK!

AS FAR AS HIS RACE HIS AMERINDIAN POINT BLANK ALL AMERINDIANS DON'T REFER TO THEMSELVES AS BROWN ITS CRAZY

[MiChuhSuh]

Well and one thing i want to throw in.....Navajo do NOT understand Chinese. So much is for sure.

Actually, many many linguistic academics would disagree with you.

http://www.1421.tv/pages/evidence/conte ... enceID=202

¡¤ Navajo elders understand Chinese (Jim Tanner and John Ting)
¡¤ Zuni understand Japanese (Jim Tanner and Nancy Yaw Davis).
Similarities between Zuni and Jomon of Japan (F Lizuka)
¡¤ Lake Tahoe. "Ta Ho" is Chinese for "Big Lake." (Jeff Spira and KK Tan)
¡¤ Native American people of the Klamath River region can still identify Chinese words and intonations (Michael Pincus)
¡¤ Yosemite - Yo Se Mi Te taken together in Chinese means magnificent mountain, beautiful place. It's now a national park in Northern California;
Suisan Bay - Sui is water & San is hill; taken together Suisan is ¡®Water & Hill Bay¡¯. Located in Northern California near Sacramento - Ben Young
¡¤ On the arrival of the Europeans to the east coast of American they heard the local Indians speak of ¡®moccocine¡¯ being the skin stiched foot wear. The Mongolian word for their foot wear is ¡®managocine¡¯ which translated into English means ¡° Our foot wear¡± (Dorsha Unkow)

Ive read those links and have to admit, that they re interesting.
It may be true, that people from other parts of Asia migrated to America (which also those links do not prove, it is just a theory by now)

One thing that confuses me though is that it is despite the fact that it maybe true, that lets say, Japanese people migrated to America, it is very unlikely that Native Americans, even if some oft them are related to Japanese, still would understand the language.
This contradicts every linguistical logic, because if they migrated a few thousand years ago, like it is stated on the site, the language would have changed so dramatically, that they would definitely not be able to understand anything of it anymore.

An example: We all speak english which originated due to the mixing of at least 4 different languages: Latin (Romans), Celtic(the "natives" of England), German(Anglo-Saxons) and Danish (Vikings).
English started to develope the way we know it approximately 1000 Years ago.

No one in this forum would be able to understand to understand a single word of original Old English, cause languages change drastically over the Centuries.
I once had a Linguistic Course in College and scientists state, that it "only" takes a language ca. 500 Years of development to change so much that the speakers of this language will not able to understand the old version of it.
So if we take this into consideration, it is impossible that native americans are able to understand asian languages from thousands of years ago, even if they descended partially from them.
But it might be possible, that they understand certain phrases or words by incident.

To put a long story short. Ill read more about this theory cause it is interesting.
But also, what would it change if there was a Migration of Japanese/Chinese people to Northern America?
Native Americans are of Asian origin anyways, it doesnt make a difference to me if of Sibirian origin or Japanese.

I believe I can answer your question. The linguistics (or anything else in a society) change most rapidly due to interactions with other peoples. That is why English changed, there were several forms who interacted. However, the people in the Americas, more or less, became isolated. Most are believed to have come from Mongolia, but some from China, and even one tribe (I think the only one) to have Viking ancestors. But anyways, since there were only a few languages represented here in the Americas, the changes were mostly about dialect and/or slang with new words invented altogether, rather than language itself "changing".

In fact, there are only four somewhat accredible claims to contact with the Americas before Colombus's rediscovery, and two of them are Chinese. One by monks in the 500s, and one by famed explorer Zheng He. Architectural findings indicate the pottery of Mayans resembles Chinese old pottery, and the Aztecs have a legend of a visitor resembling Zheng He. The next claim is Viking, but that is in Newfoundland, which was deserted when Vikings came.

The final claim is what I believe to be the most interesting. There are several Middle Eastern characteristics of some Native Americans, and thus several groups are claiming discovery, but the Egyptian one is the most convincing. Archaeologists to Egyptian tombs found cocaine in some form or another in some sealed tombs, and in the body tissue of several mummies (in the tissue, not like packs hidden there, but that the mummy once used cocaine previously). Later, a famous historian rebuilt an Egyptian ship and sailed it the same way they did at the time, and failed to reach America the first two times, but the time succeeded using the triangle current. This current is natural and in fact, Colombus himself reported that bodies of "strange, foreign men would oft drift" to the shore of the Carribeans.

There are several interesting links, but in general, the Indians were isolated, and the fact that these links are so astounding goes to show just how isolated they were, it's hard to believe there was contact.

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Well elaborated, but still i am not convinced. Keep in mind that Native Americans have been separated for maybe 10,000 years. Way enough time to develop totally different to the cultures they originated from.
Well you mentioned to many things to go into all of them, but as far as i know Archeologists are stating that the Vikings have been driven off New Foundland with force-cause they found evidence of fights- and never returned because they were extingiushed.
And Indian Languages have had exchange among themselves. You know, the Aztec language differs a lot from the Navaho language for example.
Keep in mind that in Europe it did not even take 10,000 years to develop this variety of languages, so why should pre-colonial America be different to Europe and "stand still" linguistic wise for such a long time?

The explorer Zheng He is still a legend. Few doubt that he existed, but what he did and where he went still is in the centre of many fairy tales and even scientifically not much has been proven about him. The guy is a legend and like always many rumors are spread around legends. I read about him on that website AncientTribesofAmerica linked and even they said that they did not find 100% evidence about wether he went there or not.
The Egyptian evidence: Why Do ancient Greeks not mention these links Egyptians supposedly had with America? Nothing is stated about this in their writings and they had first class access to the Egyptians. Why does Herodotus not mention anything?
Where is evidence in Egyptian Cartography? Why were Romans not able to sail anywhere when they had way more sophisticated ships which were able to smash the egyptian fleet easily in the battle of Actium 31 bc?
How did the guy sailing with egyption technique emulate the food supply of that time? They were not able to conserve food at that time to avoid starvation.
I know this is no evidence but it makes the Theory very questionable.
I really strongly doubt this Theory, but of course it could be true cause i do not know everything. It is just that evidence is weak for it by now cause it is all speculations because they did not find any 100% evidence.

And the last thing: Ancient mentions this site where they claim, that different native tribes understand languages of different asian languages (Chinese, Japanese Cambadian, Vietnamese if i remember correctly). This would mean that people from all these countries would have migrated to America since all these languages differ too much from each other. They do not understand each other which means that would have had to influence America each on his own.

Peace

[kverdugazo]

Chavez is a f'in idiot! Are you guys actually serious? He's one of the biggest bullshiters of all time. He hired some public relations guy to help his image here in USA but the truth is he's a lying crazy bastard. I lived in Venezuela so I know how it is down there. The only reason he was relected was because of fraud..now he has most of his people "Chavistas" in power in most of the Venezuelan states down there. He's a crook! He has stolen the land and businesses of many Venezuelans who oppose him thats why a lot have moved over here over the past few years. If you voted against him in the last election last year you might be out of a job. He has already locked up a ton of people who oppose him down there and he acts all nice and cute in front of the cameras and talks about Bush because it's the cliché thing to do. Don't believe the hype!

[kverdugazo]

Ah and by the way Chavez ain't gonna give shit to the poor here in the US he says all the same bullshiz to the poor people in VZLA but in reality they don't get shit. He talks a whole bunch of bs talking about "freedom" for Vzla yet he's taking it away little by little. Trust me if any of you were venezolano you'd know what I'm talking about.

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ARE YOU A SPANISH DOMINICAN?


CAUSE FROM WHAT I SEEN IN THOSE CONFLICTS ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SPANISH IN ORIGIN LIVING IN VENZ,AND HIGH IN SOCIAL RANKINGS.

I SAW WHEN THEY KIDNAPPED HIM OUT OF OFFICE AND HIS STAFF REPLACE WITH WHITE HISPANICS HMMMM AND BERON LOOKED LIKE A DICTATOR HIMSELF.


BASICALLY ALL LATIN AMERICAN PRESIDENTS ARE BULSHITTERS THEN LOOK AT YOUR COUNTRY THE RICH ONLY PROSPER THE % OF WHITES IN DR IS LOW BUT YET YOU CAN NEVER GET A BLACK DR PRESIDENT OR DO'T YOUR PEOPLE TRUST BLACK DOMINICAN REPS IN OFFICE.


QUESTION- ARE THE BLACK PEOPLE IN THE DR LOOK AT AS HAITIANS?
QUESTION- AND WHY DO EAST INDIANS GET BETTER TREATMEANT THAN BLACK DOMINICAN REPS DO AND THEY HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN THERE AS LONG AS ANY AFRICAN ON THE ISLAND ITSELF BUT THERE SEEN AS D.R CITIZENS AND HAITIAN-DOMINICAN REPS ARE SIMPLY HAITIAN!


QUESTION 3 HOW DO DOMINICAN REP MIGRANTS TO PR LOOK AT AFRO-PUERTO RICANS IN THE AREAS \OF LOIZA, CARONLINA AND MAYAGUEZ?

[kverdugazo]

Well actually I was born here in USA but my mom is dominicana... but to answer your questions... Dominicans and haitians don't look the same at all. In the DR you can definetely tell the difference... atleast I can. A lot of dominicans don't like haitians for one reason or another... (past wars, etc...) me personally I like haitianos cuzz they're humble nice people. As far as Vzla goes... it's not just the rich "white" people it's also the younger generation... white, black, or indian 1/2 of the people down there want him(Chavez) out. Even the ones that voted for him or "NO" for the referendum have changed their minds cuzz they see what a crazy hipocrite bastard he is. I'm never against empowering the poor people and helping them progress but you can't do that by taking away from others that might have a little more or by taking away the rights of people. The only people who really like him are the poorest of the poor who have been tricked by him waving $$ at them and making false promises. I think some of the programs down there are good but the main goal of the government in VZLA is what I'm against and the Opposition down there. The robolucion down there is all bs

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Well actually I was born here in USA but my mom is dominicana... but to answer your questions... Dominicans and haitians don't look the same at all. In the DR you can definetely tell the difference... atleast I can. A lot of dominicans don't like haitians for one reason or another... (past wars, etc...)

come on now you know thats b.s but of course you can say that cause 95% of haiti is black and i seen haitian ppl and it aint all what ppl say.

there is a program that comes on pbs they were doing traveling in the caribbean= called global trekker

they were in haiti, dr,trinidad jamaica and etc throughout the caribbean!


and i seen no difference in many dominican reps and haitians besides the dominican republicans who maybe were east indian(india) and some who were white! and some african and spanish mixes.




i don't know about the wars but the people who were fighting the wars in the dr were spainards i forgot the guys name who led the war it was not the dominican reps you see today. this spanish man wanted to claim the dr side back for spain and he did.


i guess worshipping spanish people in spanish speaking countries tops everything else!

this goes for all nations that were colonized by spain you celbrate independance from them but yet you keep their social customs.

since your in america where you live do haitians and dominican republicans clash

[Silencioso]

Chavez doesn't look very black. Even his hair looks more like the kind kinky hair white people sometimes have - Irish, Jewish etc. - than actual African hair.

[kverdugazo]

Chavez ain't black... I don't know who said that bullshiz... they're black venezolanos, white venezolanos, and everything in between...Venezuelans are mostly of Spanish decent however they're a lot of italian decent and the indians that were already there and some of the african slaves that were brought over. Chavez es un animal k no tiene madre hijueputa!

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Chavez es un animal k no tiene madre hijueputa!

Ok, but feel free to explain why you think that.