What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

These concepts are socially constructed and have been given much weight. What are your thoughts?

Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby whiskeyjack » July 8th, 2008, 11:36 am

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whiskeyjack wrote:and what do u guys even mean? canada had slavery in the new world the same as america and any other country in the new world, the issues i see in this country in the new world setting are more closely similar to what goes on in america then anything elsewhere in the world... america aint solving shit

When our cable channels are 75% american and when more then 75% of the kids are running around acting like americans, when my country joined NAFTA and started ripping us off, that essentially made us even more country men that you think, because my countries leaders signed into your maifest destiny crap agenda you guys got going on...


Blacks I know LOVE going to Canada because the whites up there are not like the whites down here.

FACT.


duh, but vacationing in canada still aint solving shit
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby EmperorPenguin » July 8th, 2008, 1:03 pm

I'd like to know what Reparations plan to solve? Or at least contribute to solving? What's in place that's going to help us all collectively move forward? I ask this because the Canadian government recently gave Reparations to the native americans of this country for the forced interment in Catholic Schools. With it came an official apology on behalf of the Government. Now of course nothing has changed. The Government still plods along doing it's thing. Some native groups have come out and said that it's helped them heal, some have come out and said it hasn't, some have even come out and asked for more money to help put in place support groups to show them the proper way to spend the money they have received sparking more debate as to why the Government has been spending money all along to support groups that have been in place for decades to help native americans. Really, it's made those that are sympathetic more sympathetic, it's made those that don't care about the situation sleep just a little better at night, and it's made those that harbour hatred towards natives, or natives towards white, hate that much more.

So, what's the plan really?
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby A Ghost » July 8th, 2008, 1:21 pm

EmperorPenguin wrote:I'd like to know what Reparations plan to solve? Or at least contribute to solving? What's in place that's going to help us all collectively move forward? I ask this because the Canadian government recently gave Reparations to the native americans of this country for the forced interment in Catholic Schools. With it came an official apology on behalf of the Government. Now of course nothing has changed. The Government still plods along doing it's thing. Some native groups have come out and said that it's helped them heal, some have come out and said it hasn't, some have even come out and asked for more money to help put in place support groups to show them the proper way to spend the money they have received sparking more debate as to why the Government has been spending money all along to support groups that have been in place for decades to help native americans. Really, it's made those that are sympathetic more sympathetic, it's made those that don't care about the situation sleep just a little better at night, and it's made those that harbour hatred towards natives, or natives towards white, hate that much more.

So, what's the plan really?


In actuality whites are never going to give blacks reparations.

Whether they are deserved or not is another topic, but it's never going to happen anyways. Whites would never do that.
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby A Ghost » July 8th, 2008, 1:21 pm

EmperorPenguin wrote:I'd like to know what Reparations plan to solve? Or at least contribute to solving? What's in place that's going to help us all collectively move forward? I ask this because the Canadian government recently gave Reparations to the native americans of this country for the forced interment in Catholic Schools. With it came an official apology on behalf of the Government. Now of course nothing has changed. The Government still plods along doing it's thing. Some native groups have come out and said that it's helped them heal, some have come out and said it hasn't, some have even come out and asked for more money to help put in place support groups to show them the proper way to spend the money they have received sparking more debate as to why the Government has been spending money all along to support groups that have been in place for decades to help native americans. Really, it's made those that are sympathetic more sympathetic, it's made those that don't care about the situation sleep just a little better at night, and it's made those that harbour hatred towards natives, or natives towards white, hate that much more.

So, what's the plan really?


In actuality whites are never going to give blacks reparations.

Whether they are deserved or not is another topic, but it's never going to happen anyways. Whites would never do that.
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby EmperorPenguin » July 8th, 2008, 2:37 pm

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EmperorPenguin wrote:I'd like to know what Reparations plan to solve? Or at least contribute to solving? What's in place that's going to help us all collectively move forward? I ask this because the Canadian government recently gave Reparations to the native americans of this country for the forced interment in Catholic Schools. With it came an official apology on behalf of the Government. Now of course nothing has changed. The Government still plods along doing it's thing. Some native groups have come out and said that it's helped them heal, some have come out and said it hasn't, some have even come out and asked for more money to help put in place support groups to show them the proper way to spend the money they have received sparking more debate as to why the Government has been spending money all along to support groups that have been in place for decades to help native americans. Really, it's made those that are sympathetic more sympathetic, it's made those that don't care about the situation sleep just a little better at night, and it's made those that harbour hatred towards natives, or natives towards white, hate that much more.

So, what's the plan really?


In actuality whites are never going to give blacks reparations.

Whether they are deserved or not is another topic, but it's never going to happen anyways. Whites would never do that.


For the sake of keeping the ball rolling, let's say whites, or the Government, or a large group get together and decide they're going to. What are the goals on both sides, and what in the end is it going to do for race relations? The only I've ever heard about Reparations in the States, and even in Canada for that matter is an actual dollar amount. That's it. That isn't going to change a thing.

That's one of the major problems with the new Reparations the Canadian Government just gave out. Studies have shown that a large portion of the native population, especially on reserves suffer from alcoholism and gambling. Now, what happens when an alcoholic gets a hold of $33,000 in a day? Is he healed of his problems and his demons that the Canadian Government has contributed to? No, he gets really, really, really drunk. Giving a chunk of money to anyone for emotional damage won't fix them (though $33,000 does get you a good shrink) and it doesn't hold the culprit accountable. I understand some people think it's a way to hold certain people accountable and an apology but I think it's a step in the wrong direction when it comes to fixing race relations. Whether Whites are willing to do it or Blacks are willing to accept it, at the end of the day it's not an easy fix, no one is going to turn to the other and say "Ok, so we're even now right?" Not happening, there needs to be some serious dialog, and unfortunately that still won't heal some people.
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby whiskeyjack » July 8th, 2008, 3:04 pm

penguin your talking to yourself, ghost is just learning of hyper segragation....
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby A Ghost » July 8th, 2008, 3:06 pm

whiskeyjack wrote:penguin your talking to yourself, ghost is just learning of hyper segragation....


please, I already know about redlining and all that BS, I said props because I didnt know about the authors he said.
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby EmperorPenguin » July 8th, 2008, 4:21 pm

whiskeyjack wrote:penguin your talking to yourself, ghost is just learning of hyper segragation....



I don't care what one does or doesn't already know. I'm just trying to strike up more conversing and Ghost replied to my post so I figured 'WTF'. I've never had a problem chatting with Ghost before so why would I now? You on the other hand.....
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby Kara Ben Nemsi » September 15th, 2008, 9:53 am

If you're going to be fair about it, wouldn't they need to include the whites that were slaves in the U.S. before the Civil War? And though the Northern African raiding and enslavement of a couple million whites off the coasts of Europe, which took place at the same time the transatlantic slave trade was occurring, didn't take place in the U.S.; should they be held responsible for reparations?
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby razbojnik » September 16th, 2008, 6:04 am

Kara Ben Nemsi wrote:If you're going to be fair about it, wouldn't they need to include the whites that were slaves in the U.S. before the Civil War? And though the Northern African raiding and enslavement of a couple million whites off the coasts of Europe, which took place at the same time the transatlantic slave trade was occurring, didn't take place in the U.S.; should they be held responsible for reparations?


Good point...
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby Mcminister » October 1st, 2008, 5:20 pm

Kara Ben Nemsi wrote:
If you're going to be fair about it, wouldn't they need to include the whites that were slaves in the U.S. before the Civil War? And though the Northern African raiding and enslavement of a couple million whites off the coasts of Europe, which took place at the same time the transatlantic slave trade was occurring, didn't take place in the U.S.; should they be held responsible for reparations?


why should they
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby Kara Ben Nemsi » October 4th, 2008, 11:28 am

Mcminister wrote:Kara Ben Nemsi wrote:
If you're going to be fair about it, wouldn't they need to include the whites that were slaves in the U.S. before the Civil War? And though the Northern African raiding and enslavement of a couple million whites off the coasts of Europe, which took place at the same time the transatlantic slave trade was occurring, didn't take place in the U.S.; should they be held responsible for reparations?


why should they


If you're content with Darwin's theory that we're nothing more than warring gorillas (Western Lowland Gorillas versus the Eastern Lowland Gorillas.. lol) and that that's a GOOD thing, then by all means go ahead and may great winds come to your aid for there's therefore no ultimate purpose or meaning to this reality in the end, no ultimate right or wrong exists anyway so why not? It just means the Eastern Lowland Gorillas (blacks) were able to gain a type of dominance, via the implementation of a particular ideological construct (e.g. modern liberalism), over the Western Lowland Gorillas (whites) which they exploited for gain for a time. Congratulations on your victory.

However, if you think there's more to life and that the truth should be respected then here's my response: Slavery is the antithesis of liberty. Far worse than simple moral repugnance, slavery is morally evil. Given that fact, one would think that an accurate historical account of slavery would be taught to the American people as a means of binding us together. Instead, a skewed history of slavery is presented whereas white slavery is ignored or revised to fit the modern liberal construct so as to divide us into the oppressors (whites) versus the oppressed (blacks). Of course now that the fake indians (e.g. mountain gorillas) are coming to power, we'll eventually have to join you Eastern Lowland Gorillas as minorities and resort to the same tactics but that's another thread.

The truth is that slavery was not a construct of white people but of cultural attitudes of earlier times, especially amongst the rich, in most societies including Arabic, Black, Chinese, and Indian societies most long before the United States was ever a nation.

Slavery was an institution of the times practiced by all races and it was European nations, beginning with the Quaker inspired abolition movement (e.g. Christians) that took the sacrificial determined steps to stop slavery in their countries and eventually expand the scope to stamping out slavery worldwide.

The truth is that whites slaves were America's first slaves, were slaves for life, and their slavery was hereditary (their children were born into slavery). Whites were auctioned on the block with children sold and separated from their parents and wives sold and separated from their husbands where they were worked to death in the sugar mills of Barbados and Jamaica and the plantations of Virginia.

As Michael A. Hoffman explains in 'They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America and Industrial Britain', "Bound Whites in early America called themselves slaves and nine-tenths of the White slavery in America was conducted without indentures of any kind but according to the so-called "custom of the country," as it was known, which was lifetime slavery administered by the White slave merchants themselves."

In George Sandys laws for Virginia, Whites were enslaved "forever." The service of Whites bound to Berkeley's Hundred was deemed "perpetual." These accounts have been simply left out of many "standard reference works" because this authentic history no longer is politically correct in today's modern liberal social construct.

Yet white slavery was an extensive operation and only around the start of the 18th century do we begin to encounter more "servitude" on the basis of a contract of indenture. But even in that period there was kidnapping of Anglo-Saxons into slavery and the numbers may surprise you. North Africans alone are estimated to have enslaved a million white Europeans who were cruelly treated. And we haven't even broached the subject of convict slavery.

So we see how modern liberalism rewrites history based on social or cultural edict to fit their social ideological construct to justify using state power to accomplish their transcendentalized aims rather than rely on accuracy, reason, rationality, logic, and most of all: the truth.
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby Mcminister » October 8th, 2008, 9:22 pm

okay answer my question straight....y u tryna kick a history lesson
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby razbojnik » October 11th, 2008, 10:32 am

Mcminister wrote:okay answer my question straight....y u tryna kick a history lesson


Cause you're a jag off and he knows it.
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby Lonewolf » December 15th, 2008, 1:58 pm

F*CK REPARATIONS!

I WANT A REFUND
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby Lonewolf » December 15th, 2008, 3:49 pm

I WANT MY MONEY BACK FOR ALL YOU COUNTY NEE'GGAS
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby MiChuhSuh » December 15th, 2008, 9:40 pm

Lonewolf wrote:I WANT MY MONEY BACK FOR ALL YOU COUNTY NEE'GGAS


Damn it's really a cycle, you need to change your name to werewolf.

Months of solid, intelligent conversation, followed by three days of howling rants. Unless you're just getting kicks out of this.
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby Lonewolf » December 17th, 2008, 12:35 pm

MiChuhSuh wrote:
Lonewolf wrote:I WANT MY MONEY BACK FOR ALL YOU COUNTY NEE'GGAS


Damn it's really a cycle, you need to change your name to werewolf.

Months of solid, intelligent conversation, followed by three days of howling rants. Unless you're just getting kicks out of this.


ha ha ha, WEREWOLF, that's a good one compa, i'll considerate, ha ha ha
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby Silencioso » December 19th, 2008, 2:06 pm

n actuality whites are never going to give blacks reparations.

IT'S NOT UP TO WHITES TO GIVE BLACK AMERICANS REPARATIONS. THAT WOULD BE THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB. AND I AGREE, THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO GIVE BLACK PEOPLE REPARATIONS. EVEN WITH A BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THEY'LL GIVE MULTI BILLION DOLLAR BAILOUTS TO THE PRIVATE BUSINESS SECTOR BUT NOT TO REGULAR CITIZENS. THEY SUCK. I'D SUGGEST THAT BLACK AMERICANS MAKE PEACE WITH THIS ISSUE AND MOVE ON.
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Re: What Have You Done To Support Reparations?

Postby Lonewolf » December 20th, 2008, 12:46 am

Silencioso wrote:n actuality whites are never going to give blacks reparations.

IT'S NOT UP TO WHITES TO GIVE BLACK AMERICANS REPARATIONS. THAT WOULD BE THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB. AND I AGREE, THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO GIVE BLACK PEOPLE REPARATIONS. EVEN WITH A BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THEY'LL GIVE MULTI BILLION DOLLAR BAILOUTS TO THE PRIVATE BUSINESS SECTOR BUT NOT TO REGULAR CITIZENS. THEY SUCK. I'D SUGGEST THAT BLACK AMERICANS MAKE PEACE WITH THIS ISSUE AND MOVE ON.


^ ^ THAT'S RIGHT. . QUIT ALREADY WITH THE ANGRY BLACK MAN SINDROME AND MOVE ON!!!
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