Eurasian OC bust in Las Vegas

[thewestside]

An organized crime strike force has unveiled the results of their two year investigation into a Eurasian crime ring that may have stolen millions. Nearly two dozen suspects were rounded up in Las Vegas and in California.

Law enforcement officials released specifics Tuesday about what they say is a massive fraud and counterfeiting operation.

Two suspects are still on the run, but the task force made up of FBI, Secret Service Agents, and detectives from Metro and Henderson, along with other agencies, did a remarkable job of scooping up nearly everyone they wanted to nab.

In all, 22 suspects were arrested, 15 were named Tuesday on federal charges. 10 will face state charges and while the allegations do not involve violent crime, lawmen were taking no chances.

Many of the agents who staged lightning-fast raids all over the Las Vegas valley on Monday morning carried heavy firepower, just in case. The suspects never saw it coming. At least one was literally yanked out of the shower and slapped with cuffs.

The crimes outlined in the previously sealed indictment are non-violent but law enforcement sources say eastern European mobsters who have flooded Las Vegas in recent years are known to exhibit extreme violence.

"We don't know what to believe when you are dealing with people who will commit these types of crimes for their gain. These are prolific criminals in our community. We take them very seriously and they are capable of anything," said Metro Deputy Chief Greg McCurdy.

Along with Metro Police, the FBI, Secret Service, and other agencies assigned to the Organized Crime Strike Force participated in an afternoon news conference to spell out the work that's been done over the past two years to nab this many suspects.

U.S. Attorney Greg Brower explained how the crime ring would recruit employees at casinos and restaurants to help them steal credit and debit card information, which was then used to create counterfeit cards.

"Counterfeit cards, which were then used to unlawfully obtain hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cash and other items here in the Las Vegas area," he said.

Brower said the ring stole more than $1.5 million, that they know of, but admits it could be a lot more.

Other law enforcement sources say Eurasian organized crime groups have been known to rip off more than a million dollars in a single weekend in Las Vegas, which suggests there are other targets still out there under investigation.

Brower hinted that there's a lot more to come because this kind of fraud is so prevalent in southern Nevada, "These indictments and arrests are the first results from the area here today. Let me be clear about this; the identity theft and credit card fraud problem is very significant here in Las Vegas."

I-Team sources say Las Vegas has organized crime groups from Bulgaria, Albania, Armenia, Russia, and other countries, but those groups are now in the crosshairs of law enforcement and have been under surveillance for a long time.

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story ... 0&nav=168Y

Indictment -

http://www2.lasvegasnow.com/docs/org_cr ... tments.pdf

Photos of defendants -

http://photos.lasvegasnow.com/thumbnails.php?album=197

[AlbaniaUnited]

I-Team sources say Las Vegas has organized crime groups from Bulgaria, Albania, Armenia, Russia, and other countries, but those groups are now in the crosshairs of law enforcement and have been under surveillance for a long time.

I have so much more to learn about Albanian organized crime god damnit, it never ends!

[thewestside]

I-Team sources say Las Vegas has organized crime groups from Bulgaria, Albania, Armenia, Russia, and other countries, but those groups are now in the crosshairs of law enforcement and have been under surveillance for a long time.

I have so much more to learn about Albanian organized crime god damnit, it never ends!

You have a lot to learn on many things. I knew you would latch onto that one word - Albanian - out of the entire article. How long will it be before you start proclaiming that Albanians dominate the organized crime scene in Las Vegas?

[AlbaniaUnited]

I-Team sources say Las Vegas has organized crime groups from Bulgaria, Albania, Armenia, Russia, and other countries, but those groups are now in the crosshairs of law enforcement and have been under surveillance for a long time.

I have so much more to learn about Albanian organized crime god damnit, it never ends!

You have a lot to learn on many things. I knew you would latch onto that one word - Albanian - out of the entire article. How long will it be before you start proclaiming that Albanians dominate the organized crime scene in Las Vegas?

As soon as ONE official in Las Vegas says it, I will write it on here over and over again. So far, I thought that Albanian organized crime was non existent in Las Vegas. Now, it is possible that most of those defendants are Albanian but I am only assuming, because if the y in all of there names was mistaken for a j by the police officials who wrote down their names then the last names are Albanian. But if they spelled it correctly then none of them are Albanian.

[AlbaniaUnited]

Nope, just checked the indictment court thing, they spelled it right. Only Paulette Vartan and/or Gergena Hristova could be Albanian.

[thewestside]

As soon as ONE official in Las Vegas says it, I will write it on here over and over again. So far, I thought that Albanian organized crime was non existent in Las Vegas. Now, it is possible that most of those defendants are Albanian but I am only assuming, because if the y in all of there names was mistaken for a j by the police officials who wrote down their names then the last names are Albanian. But if they spelled it correctly then none of them are Albanian.

I think everyone here knows that is exactly what you would do. But you'll be waiting a while I think. The fact is, Eurasian criminals have been in Las Vegas for a long time now. Under the definition of "Eurasian organized crime," that can include people from any number of Russian and Eastern European countries, including Albanians. But leave it to you to single Albanians out of all those people from various countries and just be itching to proclaim them dominant. Same old story. You aren't really interested in organized crime. Just organized crime that happens to involve Albanians. And in this case, you automatically assume that most of the defendants are Albanian, even though there is no reason to think so.

[AlbaniaUnited]

As soon as ONE official in Las Vegas says it, I will write it on here over and over again. So far, I thought that Albanian organized crime was non existent in Las Vegas. Now, it is possible that most of those defendants are Albanian but I am only assuming, because if the y in all of there names was mistaken for a j by the police officials who wrote down their names then the last names are Albanian. But if they spelled it correctly then none of them are Albanian.

I think everyone here knows that is exactly what you would do. But you'll be waiting a while I think. The fact is, Eurasian criminals have been in Las Vegas for a long time now. Under the definition of "Eurasian organized crime," that can include people from any number of Russian and Eastern European countries, including Albanians. But leave it to you to single Albanians out of all those people from various countries and just be itching to proclaim them dominant. Same old story. You aren't really interested in organized crime. Just organized crime that happens to involve Albanians. And in this case, you automatically assume that most of the defendants are Albanian, even though there is no reason to think so.

You see this is your problem. Look at your last sentence, "And in this case, you automatically assume that most of the defendants are Albanian, even though there is no reason to think so." Now is that really what I said? Is it? If you go back up and read I said IF the police fcuked up one their names and mistaked the 'Y's' for 'J's" then most of the defendents could be Albanians because those names with a J instead of a Y are Albanian names. I read the court indictment thing and it turns out they spelled their names right and I retracted the possibility of them being Albanian as I wrote up there. I stated two women in the case that could be Albanian because of their last name. You see, this is what you do. You take something that I say and TOTALLY fcuking change it around and answer to your own version of my statement.

The police said that crime groups from Albania are operating in Las Vegas and I said as soon as he comes back one day and says they are dominate, I will say it again and again. Until that day, I wont.


Are you going to actually make real arguements or do you just want to fcuk around like you are now? Honestly, I like debating with your brain dead self but I dont like going back and forth about stupid shit such as what I really said and what you claim I said. Take time to read every word I write or you will get mixed up. I give you the credit of reading all of your posts word for word so do the same if you want to form a debate. If you dont, go fcuk yourself. Bitch ass hoe

[thewestside]

You see this is your problem. Look at your last sentence, "And in this case, you automatically assume that most of the defendants are Albanian, even though there is no reason to think so." Now is that really what I said? Is it? If you go back up and read I said IF the police fcuked up one their names and mistaked the 'Y's' for 'J's" then most of the defendents could be Albanians because those names with a J instead of a Y are Albanian names. I read the court indictment thing and it turns out they spelled their names right and I retracted the possibility of them being Albanian as I wrote up there. I stated two women in the case that could be Albanian because of their last name. You see, this is what you do. You take something that I say and TOTALLY fcuking change it around and answer to your own version of my statement.

The police said that crime groups from Albania are operating in Las Vegas and I said as soon as he comes back one day and says they are dominate, I will say it again and again. Until that day, I wont.


Are you going to actually make real arguements or do you just want to fcuk around like you are now? Honestly, I like debating with your brain dead self but I dont like going back and forth about stupid shit such as what I really said and what you claim I said. Take time to read every word I write or you will get mixed up. I give you the credit of reading all of your posts word for word so do the same if you want to form a debate. If you dont, go fcuk yourself. Bitch ass hoe

There were many points of argument in my previous post, most of which you chose to ignore because you know I'm right. One of them was that you saw the word "Albanian" in the report, out of many ethnicities involved, and you zeroed in on that. Than you assumed, or at least were hoping for even the possibility, that most of the defendants were Albanian. And there is the problem. Everything else about the article, including the specific charges as well as Eurasian OC in Vegas in general, was of no importance to you. You only care about how Albanians are involved and how long it will be before you can decalare them to be the dominant group in the area.

[AlbaniaUnited]

There were many points of argument in my previous post, most of which you chose to ignore because you know I'm right. One of them was that you saw the word "Albanian" in the report, out of many ethnicities involved, and you zeroed in on that. Than you assumed, or at least were hoping for even the possibility, that most of the defendants were Albanian. And there is the problem. Everything else about the article, including the specific charges as well as Eurasian OC in Vegas in general, was of no importance to you. You only care about how Albanians are involved and how long it will be before you can decalare them to be the dominant group in the area.

Oh you are truely a moron, how you live with yourself I do not know.

Of course I zeroed in on the Albanian part. Im totally surprised there is Albanian crime groups in Las Vegas. TOTALLY surprised! Even more surprised then when they caught those Albanian drug dealers in Winnipeg.

Yes I did state that there was a possibility that most of the defendents were Albanian... so what? Whats your point?

They were charged with skimming, identity theft and other things. Forgive me for not reading the entire court statements against them.

[thewestside]

Of course I zeroed in on the Albanian part. Im totally surprised there is Albanian crime groups in Las Vegas. TOTALLY surprised! Even more surprised then when they caught those Albanian drug dealers in Winnipeg.

You shouldn't be surprised. Like I said, mobsters from various Russian and eastern European countries (including Albania) have been in Las Vegas for quite a while now.

Yes I did state that there was a possibility that most of the defendents were Albanian... so what? Whats your point?

I've already stated my point many times. It's that instead of having any real interest in the indictment itself, or organized crime in Las Vegas in general, your only real interest is how and to what extent Albanians are involved. There could be a case with 20 defendants, and if one of them is Albanian, you will only look into them and discount the other 19. It's you having this tunnel vision about Albanian OC which I have mentioned you having many times before. It effects what you choose to read about, as well as your ability to be objective in judging what you read.

[AlbaniaUnited]

You shouldn't be surprised. Like I said, mobsters from various Russian and eastern European countries (including Albania) have been in Las Vegas for quite a while now.

Yes, I should be surprised, until this indictment I didnt think that any Albanians lived in Las Vegas at all. This is more surprising then the Winnipeg thing.

I've already stated my point many times. It's that instead of having any real interest in the indictment itself, or organized crime in Las Vegas in general, your only real interest is how and to what extent Albanians are involved. There could be a case with 20 defendants, and if one of them is Albanian, you will only look into them and discount the other 19. It's you having this tunnel vision about Albanian OC which I have mentioned you having many times before. It effects what you choose to read about, as well as your ability to be objective in judging what you read.

Okay you done? Are you trying to convince me that I care about Albanian organized crime more then any other? Because I will tell everyone out loud, 'I care more about Albanian OC then any other OC crime group in the world'. There. But I dont only care about the Albanian mafia. Like I said, I started out reading about Al Capone. That is when I started reading on the mafia and learning about it. Al Capone lead to Lucky Luciano who lead to Albert Anastasia who lead to John Gotti. Then I typed Albanian mafia on google and started reading up on them. At first I thought nothing of it, I knew a big percentage of Albanians turned to crime as I have witnessed through out my life time but I thought it was nothing big time. The farther I went, the more interested I got. As so on, I still read about the Russian mafia and Chinese mafia and still read about the group I started with, the Italians. I know all about the Russian mafia and their bitch wars, the mafia during communism, their involvment with the government, how they took advantage of the collapse, the taxing of businesses and American business men, the oil scams and conspiracies, the Vor y Zakone and what they have to do in order to stay a Vor, not have a family, reject their brothers, sisters, mothers, etc... The Chinese mafia, Hong Kong, how deeply they are involvedi n countrfeiting, all their rituals about helping one another or [according to their ritual ceremony] they will be cut by a thousand swords or by five lightning bolts, The china town wars and activites, the China Town massacre, their activities in Europe as well as throught out the world. how they started as a movement to over throw the government, how they turned into a criminal organization, The Italians, in america especially, their rituals, sayings, Al Capone where he lived [7244 South Prarie Avenue], John Gotti, his son, all of that. You dont know anything about what I know or what I read about. I know more then you think but I am not as interested in other groups as I am in Albanian groups.

[thewestside]

Okay you done? Are you trying to convince me that I care about Albanian organized crime more then any other? Because I will tell everyone out loud, 'I care more about Albanian OC then any other OC crime group in the world'. There. But I dont only care about the Albanian mafia. Like I said, I started out reading about Al Capone. That is when I started reading on the mafia and learning about it. Al Capone lead to Lucky Luciano who lead to Albert Anastasia who lead to John Gotti. Then I typed Albanian mafia on google and started reading up on them. At first I thought nothing of it, I knew a big percentage of Albanians turned to crime as I have witnessed through out my life time but I thought it was nothing big time. The farther I went, the more interested I got. As so on, I still read about the Russian mafia and Chinese mafia and still read about the group I started with, the Italians. I know all about the Russian mafia and their bitch wars, the mafia during communism, their involvment with the government, how they took advantage of the collapse, the taxing of businesses and American business men, the oil scams and conspiracies, the Vor y Zakone and what they have to do in order to stay a Vor, not have a family, reject their brothers, sisters, mothers, etc... The Chinese mafia, Hong Kong, how deeply they are involvedi n countrfeiting, all their rituals about helping one another or [according to their ritual ceremony] they will be cut by a thousand swords or by five lightning bolts, The china town wars and activites, the China Town massacre, their activities in Europe as well as throught out the world. how they started as a movement to over throw the government, how they turned into a criminal organization, The Italians, in america especially, their rituals, sayings, Al Capone where he lived [7244 South Prarie Avenue], John Gotti, his son, all of that. You dont know anything about what I know or what I read about. I know more then you think but I am not as interested in other groups as I am in Albanian groups.

If you knew as much about the Russians and Italians as you claim, in both Europe and the U.S., you wouldn't make the false claim that the Albanians are as powerful or more powerful. You may have studied these other groups at one time but it is now evident that the vast bulk of your reading is about Albanians only. And that would be fine if you had the ability to be objective. But you don't. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Because you are Albanian, you get some sort of a sick ethnic pride out of Albanian organized crime. You glorify Albanian mobsters. You want them to be the most powerful everywhere they are because it's an ego boost for you. It's this warped and wishful thinking that has spawned your desire to convince others of Albanian superiority, which in turn has led to you dragging this board away from real discussions about organized crime to petty ethnic pissing matches. Now others have had a part in this as well, as I have simply by responding to you, but you are far and away the main problem. And you will continue to be a problem until your mentality changes. But I don't expect that to happen any time soon, if ever.

[AlbaniaUnited]

If you knew as much about the Russians and Italians as you claim, in both Europe and the U.S., you wouldn't make the false claim that the Albanians are as powerful or more powerful. You may have studied these other groups at one time but it is now evident that the vast bulk of your reading is about Albanians only. And that would be fine if you had the ability to be objective. But you don't. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Because you are Albanian, you get some sort of a sick ethnic pride out of Albanian organized crime. You glorify Albanian mobsters. You want them to be the most powerful everywhere they are because it's an ego boost for you. It's this warped and wishful thinking that has spawned your desire to convince others of Albanian superiority, which in turn has led to you dragging this board away from real discussions about organized crime to petty ethnic pissing matches. Now others have had a part in this as well, as I have simply by responding to you, but you are far and away the main problem. And you will continue to be a problem until your mentality changes. But I don't expect that to happen any time soon, if ever.

Keep talking about my characteristics when its supposed to be about organized crime. Then you complain about getting off topic.

The Albanian mafia in Europe is more powerful then the Italian mafia. That much is known, they are active in more states and involved heavier in drug trafficking, prostitution and arms and human trafficking then the Italian mafia.

[thewestside]

Keep talking about my characteristics when its supposed to be about organized crime. Then you complain about getting off topic.

I want to talk about organized crime. So do most other people on this board. It's your personality and characteristics that have taken away this board from organized crime discussion to ethnic pissing matches. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

The Albanian mafia in Europe is more powerful then the Italian mafia. That much is known, they are active in more states and involved heavier in drug trafficking, prostitution and arms and human trafficking then the Italian mafia.

That much is known? By who? Show me one definitive and reputable source that says Albanians are "more powerful," are active "in more states," are are "involved heavier" in drug trafficking, prostitution, and human trafficking than the Italians. You can't. You simply read statisitcs about Albanians and assume that they are the biggest because you want them to be. Same old story over and over again.

[AlbaniaUnited]

I want to talk about organized crime. So do most other people on this board. It's your personality and characteristics that have taken away this board from organized crime discussion to ethnic pissing matches. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

So why dont you go and tell Faciulina the same thing? Look at the stuff he says, Italians could wage a war with the Albanian mafia in the Balkans. Ndrangheta controls 40% of heroin, Camorra killed more then the Russians, Albanians, IRA, Colombians and Mexicans together.

Oh thats right, your a moron who doesnt give two fcuks about anything except hyping Italians and proving to us that Italians still got it.

That much is known? By who? Show me one definitive and reputable source that says Albanians are "more powerful," are active "in more states," are are "involved heavier" in drug trafficking, prostitution, and human trafficking than the Italians. You can't. You simply read statisitcs about Albanians and assume that they are the biggest because you want them to be. Same old story over and over again.

The Albanians control the overwhelming majority of heroin in Europe
They are the second largest traffickers of cocaine
They are bigger arms dealers then the Italians and debatable between them and Russians


They are involved in human smuggling more then the Italians
They are involved in prostitution more so then the Italians.
They are involved in car theft more.

http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=1085
Belgian Police: Albanian Mafia Dominates Western Europe

according to the Belgian police department specialized for Albanian organized crime, Albanian mafia clans dominate, leading in the illegal trade, including human trafficking and the sale of cocaine and heroin.




What else do you want? I mean get real...

[thewestside]

So why dont you go and tell Faciulina the same thing? Look at the stuff he says, Italians could wage a war with the Albanian mafia in the Balkans. Ndrangheta controls 40% of heroin, Camorra killed more then the Russians, Albanians, IRA, Colombians and Mexicans together.

I have told him you stupid idiot! Repeatedly. Just like I have you. But it doesn't make any difference. You both insist on posting BS about Albanians and Italians just because you belong to those two ethnic groups. And like I said before, maybe if I wasn't correcting you all the time, I would have more time to correct him. So here's an idea, quit posting stupid shit every day and maybe I'll correct Faciulina more often.

The Albanians control the overwhelming majority of heroin in Europe

True. Roughly 80% of it.

They are the second largest traffickers of cocaine

There is no clear or convincing evidence to make that claim.

They are bigger arms dealers then the Italians and debatable between them and Russians

There is no clear or convincing evidence to make that claim. And you posting a couple photos proves nothing.

They are involved in human smuggling more then the Italians

There is no clear or convincing evidence to make that claim.

They are involved in prostitution more so then the Italians.

There is no clear or convincing evidence to make that claim.

They are involved in car theft more.

There is no clear or convincing evidence to make that claim.

http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=1085
Belgian Police: Albanian Mafia Dominates Western Europe
according to the Belgian police department specialized for Albanian organized crime, Albanian mafia clans dominate, leading in the illegal trade, including human trafficking and the sale of cocaine and heroin.

The Albanians are certainly powerful in Western Europe but to use the word "dominate" is a big overstatement. To "dominate" means to enjoy a controlling position. As far as the Albanians have come, they have not supplanted the Italians in Western Europe, or the Russians in Eastern Europe for that matter. How can they be "leading in the illegal trade," including cocaine, if the Italians control roughly 80% of the supply? They can't. You have to be careful how you use the word "dominate." Do Albanians dominate the heroin trade? Yes, because they have a controlling position in it. Do the Italians dominate the cocaine trade? Yes, because they have a controlling position in it. But if you actually understood organized crime in Europe, you would know that no one group (not even the Italians, Albanians, or Russians) dominate in any given area outside their home countries. The Italians are the most powerful in Western Europe but that doesn't mean they dominate the area. The Russians are the most powerful in Eastern Europe but that doesn't mean they dominate the area. Bottom line, as I've said so many times, you have to look at all of the available evidence rather than just one statement from one law enforcement agency, which happens to say what you want to hear, and taking it at face value. By doing so, you are no different than Faciulina who likes to break out the article that claims the 'Ndrangheta is Europe's "leading crime machine" or whatever.

[AlbaniaUnited]

I have told him you stupid idiot! Repeatedly. Just like I have you. But it doesn't make any difference. You both insist on posting BS about Albanians and Italians just because you belong to those two ethnic groups. And like I said before, maybe if I wasn't correcting you all the time, I would have more time to correct him. So here's an idea, quit posting stupid shit every day and maybe I'll correct Faciulina more often.

Yeah you tell him shit, your either playing ignorant and stupid or you really are.

They are the second largest traffickers of cocaine

There is no clear or convincing evidence to make that claim.[/quote]

The fact that the Balkan route was stated as emerging and significant in the cocaine trade, the 4 tonnes frederik sent over, the 12 tonnes that albanians sent over again, the almost 500 kilos found in a front company in Macedonia, the Italian official stating that there is a flood of cocaine in ther country because of Albanian American criminals, the fact that the Albanians have deep contacts in Colombia and South America including Mexico as well. The fact that they even bring over cocaine experts to try and grow the stuff there selves, the fact that Belgium special forces say they lead the trade in sale of heroin and cocaine in Western europe..

They are bigger arms dealers then the Italians and debatable between them and Russians

There is no clear or convincing evidence to make that claim. And you posting a couple photos proves nothing.[/quote]

The photos were to help you visualize the amount of arms the Albanian mafia has. All of the weapons looted from the former communist army in 1997, the guns bought for the KLA, the guns available through Albanian weapon companies [the case with the Afghans], the amount of corruption in Albanian which makes it easy for an Albanian boss to just make a phone call and have the army bring him weapons if needed [not an exhaggerationg at all]. Your a joke if you think the Albanians arent the biggest arms dealers.

They are involved in human smuggling more then the Italians

There is no clear or convincing evidence to make that claim.[/quote]

Yeah I mean just about all immigrants in Italy are coming from Albania but no evidence is there right? The fact that Belgium argues that the Albanian mafia might be responsible for all the illegal immigrants in their countr [100,000]. There is no evidence though, who do the Italians smuggle? and where? Once your in Italy, your in Europe...

They are involved in prostitution more so then the Italians.

There is no clear or convincing evidence to make that claim.[/quote]

The fact that the Albanians took away prostitution even in Milan. Jesus freaking shit! Your un fcuking believable. If the Italians were more involved in prostitution around Europe, they would at least have hold on it in Milan.

They are involved in car theft more.

There is no clear or convincing evidence to make that claim.[/quote]

Yes there is, the fact that there are hundreds and thousands of brand new cars in Albania with European license plates... If the Italians steal a car? Where would they send it? To Albania? Get outta here, we do that ourselves. To Russia? They steal more cars then Italians as well and maybe even more then Albanians.

http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=1085
Belgian Police: Albanian Mafia Dominates Western Europe
according to the Belgian police department specialized for Albanian organized crime, Albanian mafia clans dominate, leading in the illegal trade, including human trafficking and the sale of cocaine and heroin.

The Albanians are certainly powerful in Western Europe but to use the word "dominate" is a big overstatement. To "dominate" means to enjoy a controlling position. As far as the Albanians have come, they have not supplanted the Italians in Western Europe, or the Russians in Eastern Europe for that matter. How can they be "leading in the illegal trade," including cocaine, if the Italians control roughly 80% of the supply? They can't. You have to be careful how you use the word "dominate." Do Albanians dominate the heroin trade? Yes, because they have a controlling position in it. Do the Italians dominate the cocaine trade? Yes, because they have a controlling position in it. But if you actually understood organized crime in Europe, you would know that no one group (not even the Italians, Albanians, or Russians) dominate in any given area outside their home countries. The Italians are the most powerful in Western Europe but that doesn't mean they dominate the area. The Russians are the most powerful in Eastern Europe but that doesn't mean they dominate the area. Bottom line, as I've said so many times, you have to look at all of the available evidence rather than just one statement from one law enforcement agency, which happens to say what you want to hear, and taking it at face value. By doing so, you are no different than Faciulina who likes to break out the article that claims the 'Ndrangheta is Europe's "leading crime machine" or whatever.[/quote]

The Italians control 80% of it coming into Europe. The Albanians control the majority of the rest if not the complete rest. Some areas the Albanians are going to out sell the Italians in cocaine...

I have looked at the available evidence. You havent. So what if the Ndrangheta was stated as Europes leading crime machine what the fcuk does that mean? Are you trying to say that the Ndrangheta lone can exceed the entire Albanian mafia in Europe? As a faction, the Ndrangheta is Europe leading crime machine. They are the strongest and fastest expanding faction in the Italian mafia and AS A FACTION it is the most powerful crime faction in Europe. But the Albanian mafia doesnt have factions like the Italians. And even so, that article never stated just how the Ndrangheta is Europes leading crime machine, they just had that as the banner, and didnt they have just under it "legacy of the Kosovo war?" or something, or was that another article..

Anyway we are talking about the entire groups in comparison. The Albanians vs the Italians vs the Russians in Europe. Today, the Albanian mafia is the most powerful, they are in more states and are deeper in more activities then the Italians... Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Greece, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, Kosova, Croatia, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Austria, Germany, Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, with Russia, Hungary, Slovenia, France, Czech republic, Slovakia, Switzerland, Holland. The Albanians are powerful on both sides of Europe. Unlike the article Faciulina posted up, you actually had a government source who claimed them to be dominant and they explained how and why they are...

[VostokSila]

with Russia

you said that they operate in Russia many times now.. where? and what do they do? except for that Begjhet fella I mean.

[Faciulina]

yeah ahahaahahahahahah albanian mafia blah blah blah blah albanian this and that looooooooooooooool italian mafia just shit on albanian chickenthieves moron ITALIAN MAFIAM CONTROL THE WHOLE COCAINE AND LARGE HEROIN THEY CONTROL MORE WEAPONS THEY CONTROLS GAMBLING PUBLIC WORKS GARBAGE CONSTRUCTION FIRMS CIGARETTES SMUGGLING MORE THAN ALBANIANS albanians are stronger only in prostitution because the mafia doesn't control it because it's a business for no-balls chickenthieves
i can post tons of articles saying the NDRANGHETA is the strongest in europe and it's only a faction of te italian mafia looooooooool take the facts moron albanian mafia is not in romania and several states you claimed they are you have no any proof to say it i posted an article saying the italian mafia is stronger than albanian even in the balkans looooooooool suck my dick bitch

[AlbaniaUnited]

with Russia

you said that they operate in Russia many times now.. where? and what do they do? except for that Begjhet fella I mean.

Oil scams, bank frauds, money laundering, political corruption.. I already told you on the PM about this.

[Faciulina]

Anyway we are talking about the entire groups in comparison. The Albanians vs the Italians vs the Russians in Europe. Today, the Albanian mafia is the most powerful, they are in more states and are deeper in more activities then the Italians... Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Greece, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, Kosova, Croatia, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Austria, Germany, Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, with Russia, Hungary, Slovenia, France, Czech republic, Slovakia, Switzerland, Holland. The Albanians are powerful on both sides of Europe. Unlike the article Faciulina posted up, you actually had a government source who claimed them to be dominant and they explained how and why they are...

ahahahahahahahah there was not a goverment source idiot it was a simple journal news nothing else i can post tons of it about italian mafia... italian mafia is present in more states than albanians i should just show you the world map becuse it's impossible to find a country where they are not present several countries they are in form of money laundering several are litterally owns by them like aruba island that belong to sicilian mafia LOL in russia the italian mafia very active it controls gazprom and several banks it has link with putin i doubt there are albanian gangs in russia that's your BS in most of the states you listed there are albanian citizens but it doesn't mean there is albanian mob idiot ahahahahahahah

[thewestside]

The fact that the Balkan route was stated as emerging and significant in the cocaine trade, the 4 tonnes frederik sent over, the 12 tonnes that albanians sent over again, the almost 500 kilos found in a front company in Macedonia, the Italian official stating that there is a flood of cocaine in ther country because of Albanian American criminals, the fact that the Albanians have deep contacts in Colombia and South America including Mexico as well. The fact that they even bring over cocaine experts to try and grow the stuff there selves, the fact that Belgium special forces say they lead the trade in sale of heroin and cocaine in Western europe..

This is what is called circumstantial evidence. The Albanians may be the second biggest cocaine traffickers in Europe and they may not be. Without more conclusive evidence, one can't say either way. But as always you are happy to ASSUME that's what it means because it's one more thing related to Albanian organized crime you can brag about.

Once again, if the Italians control 80% of the cocaine trade and their main smuggling routes into Europe are through Western European countries, how could the Albanians lead the trade of cocaine there? This is what I mean by you having to look into some of the statements by law enforcement rather than just taking it at face value all the time. But you were happy to do so because they said what you wanted to hear. However, if law enforcement were to say that Italians or some other group lead the heroin trade somewhere in Eastern Europe you would immediately dimiss it, as I would I. But you would dismiss it because it wouldn't be what you want to hear while I would dismiss it because it doesn't accord with the other known facts.

The photos were to help you visualize the amount of arms the Albanian mafia has. All of the weapons looted from the former communist army in 1997, the guns bought for the KLA, the guns available through Albanian weapon companies [the case with the Afghans], the amount of corruption in Albanian which makes it easy for an Albanian boss to just make a phone call and have the army bring him weapons if needed [not an exhaggerationg at all]. Your a joke if you think the Albanians arent the biggest arms dealers.

Well, thanks for the visual aids but it still doesn't prove anything. Once again you make a statement that you can't prove and then offer photos and your own reasoning as the only support for it. The Albanians are certainly among the biggest but you've offered nothing to show that they are the biggest. And to say they are bigger than the Russians is quite a claim.

The Italians control 80% of it coming into Europe. The Albanians control the majority of the rest if not the complete rest. Some areas the Albanians are going to out sell the Italians in cocaine...

First, it was the Albanians have the biggest piece of the remaining 20%. Now the Albanians could possibly control the entire remianing 20% huh? You just go from ASSUMPTION to ASSUMPTION.

I have looked at the available evidence. You havent. So what if the Ndrangheta was stated as Europes leading crime machine what the fcuk does that mean? Are you trying to say that the Ndrangheta lone can exceed the entire Albanian mafia in Europe? As a faction, the Ndrangheta is Europe leading crime machine. They are the strongest and fastest expanding faction in the Italian mafia and AS A FACTION it is the most powerful crime faction in Europe. But the Albanian mafia doesnt have factions like the Italians. And even so, that article never stated just how the Ndrangheta is Europes leading crime machine, they just had that as the banner, and didnt they have just under it "legacy of the Kosovo war?" or something, or was that another article..

You haven't looked at the available evidence. You find a report and you READ INTO IT what you want. You cherrypick statements from law enforcement. If they say something that you like, you accept it as fact. If they say something you don't like, you reject it. The article stating the 'Ndrangheta is "Europe's leading crime machine" doesn't mean anything to me. It's just a headline that someone like Faciulina puts up, just as you put up headlines that state Albanians are the foremost group.

Anyway we are talking about the entire groups in comparison. The Albanians vs the Italians vs the Russians in Europe. Today, the Albanian mafia is the most powerful, they are in more states and are deeper in more activities then the Italians... Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Greece, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, Kosova, Croatia, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Austria, Germany, Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, with Russia, Hungary, Slovenia, France, Czech republic, Slovakia, Switzerland, Holland. The Albanians are powerful on both sides of Europe. Unlike the article Faciulina posted up, you actually had a government source who claimed them to be dominant and they explained how and why they are...

Both the Italians and Russians are in most of those countries. You still have failed to provide proof, other than indirect evidence and your own faulty and biased reasoning, how the Albanians have surpassed either group.

[AlbaniaUnited]

This is what is called circumstantial evidence. The Albanians may be the second biggest cocaine traffickers in Europe and they may not be. Without more conclusive evidence, one can't say either way. But as always you are happy to ASSUME that's what it means because it's one more thing related to Albanian organized crime you can brag about.

Once again, if the Italians control 80% of the cocaine trade and their main smuggling routes into Europe are through Western European countries, how could the Albanians lead the trade of cocaine there? This is what I mean by you having to look into some of the statements by law enforcement rather than just taking it at face value all the time. But you were happy to do so because they said what you wanted to hear. However, if law enforcement were to say that Italians or some other group lead the heroin trade somewhere in Eastern Europe you would immediately dimiss it, as I would I. But you would dismiss it because it wouldn't be what you want to hear while I would dismiss it because it doesn't accord with the other known facts.

No I would not dismiss it. If Serbia stated that the Italians lead the heroin trade there it would not surprise me. Because the Italians would get the heroin from Albanians or themselves. Just like the Albanians in Western Europe can lead the sale of cocaine but will be getting the cocaine from the Italians. Or themselves to a lesser extent.

And that news report was from a dossier released by Belgian special authorities that was published by the 'Belgium weekly' news agency.

Well, thanks for the visual aids but it still doesn't prove anything. Once again you make a statement that you can't prove and then offer photos and your own reasoning as the only support for it. The Albanians are certainly among the biggest but you've offered nothing to show that they are the biggest. And to say they are bigger than the Russians is quite a claim.

Well the Russians are defined by many groups, Ukrainians, Tajikistanis, Russians, Kazakhistanis, etc... The Russians themselves are still significant suppliers and sellers of arms in Europe but have been over rated because of the ethnicities they all call Russian. But even that being established and said, it is debatable between who is a bigger supplier of arms, the Albanians or Russians. Both of them surpass the Italians.

First, it was the Albanians have the biggest piece of the remaining 20%. Now the Albanians could possibly control the entire remianing 20% huh? You just go from ASSUMPTION to ASSUMPTION.

I said they control the majority if not all the rest of the remaining 20%. Like I explained, the Albanians is the only criem group after the Italians that have enough contacts in South America to be able to make huge purchases and have the means to send the stuff to Albania where it is brought to Europe. The Russians have links as well but not at the visible degree the Albanians do. Also, much of the cocaine the Russians are responsible for bringing in are brought to and sold in Russia, not Europe.

You haven't looked at the available evidence. You find a report and you READ INTO IT what you want. You cherrypick statements from law enforcement. If they say something that you like, you accept it as fact. If they say something you don't like, you reject it. The article stating the 'Ndrangheta is "Europe's leading crime machine" doesn't mean anything to me. It's just a headline that someone like Faciulina puts up, just as you put up headlines that state Albanians are the foremost group.

The sources I bring in arent just headlines. My link was originally said by Belgian authorities who released a dossier for public knowledge. The article that Faciulina brought in just had a headline saying, "Ndrangheta is Europe's leading crime machine'. It doesnt explained how or why. And that was the last time they said it, on the headline.

And I dont reject officials unless they say something extremely far fetched like Albania is growing cocaine. Then I do without a doubt reject his words completely because such ignorance should not be coming from law enforcement officials.

Both the Italians and Russians are in most of those countries. You still have failed to provide proof, other than indirect evidence and your own faulty and biased reasoning, how the Albanians have surpassed either group.

So what? Your uniting the Italians and Russians against the Albanians now by saying that they are in most of those countries. My point was that those countries are in Eastern and Western Europe. The Albanians have bases and networks in all of them. They lead the most profitable business by double, heroin. The Italians and Russians have strong bases on one side and lacking on the other side. The Albanians are the group that is powerful and extremely active on both sides. Can the Russians be called stronger then the Albanians in Western Europe? No. Can the Italians be called stronger in Eastern and North Eastern Europe? No. Its debatable whether they even match the Albanians in Western Europe and according to Belgian authorities, they dont. This is all of the available evidence and consideration you need to know thewestside.

[Faciulina]

And that news report was from a dossier released by Belgian special authorities that was published by the 'Belgium weekly' news agency

ahahahahahh LOOOOl this article was written in a blog moron it's not truth byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2008/03/albanian-mafia.html
ahahahahah it's a stupid byzantin blog the ndrangheta is BY FAR the strongest in belgiul it own litterally large part of bruxelles and anversa the italian mafia even killed the belgian president some years ago

[AlbaniaUnited]

And that news report was from a dossier released by Belgian special authorities that was published by the 'Belgium weekly' news agency

ahahahahahh LOOOOl this article was written in a blog moron it's not truth byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2008/03/albanian-mafia.html
ahahahahah it's a stupid byzantin blog the ndrangheta is BY FAR the strongest in belgiul it own litterally large part of bruxelles and anversa the italian mafia even killed the belgian president some years ago

MAYBE THE BLOG GOT IT FROM THE ORIGINAL SOURCE YOU FCUKING IDIOT! LIKE ALL OTHER THINGS THAT BLOGS POST UP! FCUKING MORON, GET A CLUE.