The Biggest Jewish mass murderer in History!

[Sentenza]

What happened Sentenza,you thought i wasnt going to see if you responded?LOL
Why did i have a feeling you were going to use the lay-low-for-a-few-days-tactic?

Yea, you scare the shit out of me.

[shadoworder]

Getting owned?
Well whatever, yes you are right, Cubans are NO ethnicity but a nationality.
Iranians aswell. There are many different ethnicities in Iran & Cuba.
And its the same with Jews.

But i give you that the term ethnicity is very inprecise, since it usually refers to a race related concept of social groups (which in case of jews is not true as i have proven, cause jews are not related racially).

Iran Ethnic groups:

Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%
http://www.indexmundi.com/iran/ethnic_groups.html

Cuba Ethnic groups:

mulatto 51%, white 37%, black 11%, Chinese 1%

http://www.indexmundi.com/cuba/ethnic_groups.html

Ethnicity and Nationality while they technically mean slightly different things,are almost always used interchangably,and cubans and iranians are usually referred to as Ethnic groups,check out the US Census definition:Ancestry refers to a person’s ethnic origin or descent, "roots," or heritage, or the place of birth of the person or the person’s parents or ancestors before their arrival in the United States[b]
and from the same website you posted :
Isreali ETHNIC groups
Jewish 80.1% (Europe/America-born 32.1%, Israel-born 20.8%, Africa-born 14.6%, Asia-born 12.6%), non-Jewish 19.9% (mostly Arab) (1996 est.)
http://www.indexmundi.com/israel/ethnic_groups.html
[b]from websters dictionary for JEW:
An ethnic group with certain cultural and religious traditions.
and jews can be broken down into distinct groups too:
The two dominant Jewish ethnic groups in Israel are the Ashkenazim (the term comes from the old Hebrew word for Germany), which now includes Jews from northern and eastern Europe (and, later, their descendants from America); and Sephardim (the term comes from the old Hebrew word for Spain), which now includes Jews of Mediterranean, Balkan, Aegean, and Middle Eastern lands.
http://countrystudies.us/israel/49.htm
You havent proven a damned thing,you have refuted almost nothing that Ive said.Even examples that I have shown you directly from jewish sources you choose to dismiss,not only do you know more about Jews then i do,but you seem to know more about jews then jews themselves! Im not denying that Judaism is a religion as well,but its more then just that ESPECIALLY to jews themselves,look at all the famous people who practice other religions but define themselves as jewish like record producer Rick Rubin(practicing Buddhist)or talk show legend Larry King(Xtian)or that dude from the Beastie Boys(also Buddhist)
If I converted to another religion,lets say Wicca,I would never describe myself or identify myself as a Catholic Wiccan.
and heres some DNA evidence that jews are more then Just a Religion:
Recently published research in the field of molecular genetics -- the study of DNA sequences -- indicates that Jewish populations of the various Diaspora communities have retained their genetic identity throughout the exile. Despite large geographic distances between the communities and the passage of thousands of years, far removed Jewish communities share a similar genetic profile. This research confirms the common ancestry and common geographical origin of world Jewry.

Jewish men from communities which developed in the Near East -- Iran, Iraq, Kurdistan, Yemen -- and European Jews have very similar, almost identical genetic profiles.

"Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."
(M.F. Hammer, Proc. Nat'l Academy of Science, May 9, 2000)

The basis of this new field of population research is the study of the Y-chromosome, which is passed virtually unchanged from father to son. The rare mutations -- which are changes in the non-coding portion of its DNA -- can serve as markers, which can distinguish peoples. By studying the genetic signatures of various groups, comparisons can be made to determine the genetic relationships between the groups.

Y-chromosome research of the Jewish people began as an outgrowth of the study of Cohanim -- the Jewish priestly family. These studies showed a very high genetic affinity among present-day Cohanim, indicating that they do have a common paternal ancestor, estimated to have lived some 3,000 years ago. (See The Cohanim/DNA Connection)

MOST RECENT RESEARCH

The most recent genetic research consists of obtaining DNA samples, and doing laboratory analysis and comparison of the DNA markers on the Y-chromosome -- which is passed from father to son, and on the mtDNA (mitrocondrial DNA) -- which is passed intact from mother to son and daughter. This genetic anthropology promises to be particularly informative for tracking the history of Jewish populations, and helping to resolve the debate on the origins and migrations of Jewish communities in the Diaspora.

The researchers proposed to answer the question whether the scattered groups of modern Jews can be identified as the descendants of the ancient Hebrews of the Bible, or whether their common ancestry has been diluted through influx of converts and through intermarriage so that little remains of their "Jewish genes."

The complex recorded history of dispersal from the Land of Israel and subsequent residence in and movements between various countries in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East is expected to produce a complex pattern of genetic relationships among Jewish populations as well as between them and the non-Jewish peoples among whom they lived.

The research was based on samples from 29 populations, 7 Jewish, categorized into five major divisions: Jews, Middle-Eastern non-Jews, Europeans, North Africans, and sub-Saharan Africans.


The findings were that most Jewish communities do indeed seem to be genetically similar.........

http://www.aish.com/societywork/science ... _Genes.asp

[shadoworder]

What happened Sentenza,you thought i wasnt going to see if you responded?LOL
Why did i have a feeling you were going to use the lay-low-for-a-few-days-tactic?

Yea, you scare the shit out of me.

Anyway none of your pathetic arguments takes away from the fact that numerous RUSSIAN JEWS served under Josef Stalin and PARTICIPATED IN THE MASS MURDER OF MILLIONS!
In fact in your honor sentenza,just as i did with Lazar m Kaganovich,im going to,from time to time,post facts about other jewish mass murderers some who also served under Stalin like levranti Beria,others like Hungarian Butcher Bela kun.That way hopefully some people(especially the youth) will see your peoples shameless promotion of the Holocaust as the politically-motivated sham that it is.

[Sentenza]

and from the same website you posted :
Isreali ETHNIC groups
Jewish 80.1% (Europe/America-born 32.1%, Israel-born 20.8%, Africa-born 14.6%, Asia-born 12.6%), non-Jewish 19.9% (mostly Arab) (1996 est.)
http://www.indexmundi.com/israel/ethnic_groups.html

So as i understand it they stress the fact that all these jews have different backgrounds and are therefore not genetically related.
So they apply the "ethnicity is a racially not related social group" theory.

[Sentenza]

In fact in your honor sentenza,just as i did with Lazar m Kaganovich,im going to,from time to time,post facts about other jewish mass murderers some who also served under Stalin like levranti Beria,others like Hungarian Butcher Bela kun.

I am honoured that you do this

That way hopefully some people(especially the youth) will see your peoples shameless promotion of the Holocaust as the politically-motivated sham that it is.

Lets presume i d be a Jew. Would it make sense for me to denie the fact that jews are genetically related? From your point of view it should, since YOU said that Jews themselves claim that.
But i am no Jew, i am Christian. And i am not of semitic origin, like most oriental jews are, but of german origin and the Holocaust DID take place in the name of a fucked up ideology and theres no way in hell you can change that. But this is no relativization to other atrocities of history.

If someone capitalizes the Holocaust its their disgrace, not mine, since i am strictly against those people that committed it.
You are not, thats the difference between us. And thats why you get all pissed off about those people.

[shadoworder]

and from the same website you posted :
Isreali ETHNIC groups
Jewish 80.1% (Europe/America-born 32.1%, Israel-born 20.8%, Africa-born 14.6%, Asia-born 12.6%), non-Jewish 19.9% (mostly Arab) (1996 est.)
http://www.indexmundi.com/israel/ethnic_groups.html

So as i understand it they stress the fact that all these jews have different backgrounds and are therefore not genetically related.
So they apply the "ethnicity is a racially not related social group" theory.

I post all these links and quotes to back up what im saying and this is is all you give as a response??
You know what,If you are happy with your country and people being unjustly singled out and demonized again and again and again and again then theirs no point in me wasting my time with you.Believe what you want.

[perongregory]

I have a lot of jewish friends and when you ask them their background they say oh russian, italian, polish, german, etc. never Jewish. Even my close Jewish friend said Ashkenazi Jews call make their religion a race and when the time suits them to be white then they say they're white. The truth is, doesn't matter how much Ashkenazis claim that their religion is a ethnic group, jews are a religion. Thats why you have east African jews, south African jews, Mexican, Indian (from India), and even Chinese jews. If they are a ethnic group all christians are an ethnic group, even though they span from the darkest African in the congo to the whitest European Scandinavia.

[Sentenza]

I have a lot of jewish friends and when you ask them their background they say oh russian, italian, polish, german, etc. never Jewish. Even my close Jewish friend said Ashkenazi Jews call make their religion a race and when the time suits them to be white then they say they're white. The truth is, doesn't matter how much Ashkenazis claim that their religion is a ethnic group, jews are a religion. Thats why you have east African jews, south African jews, Mexican, Indian (from India), and even Chinese jews. If they are a ethnic group all christians are an ethnic group, even though they span from the darkest African in the congo to the whitest European Scandinavia.

Never mind bothering this guy with facts. He wants to believe that, so let him dream.

[streetsIswatchin]

Jews are a people...they can look like many other people because they, as a religion can be joined. i dont know if they are a race but they are definetly a people...where ever they have been they have not been fully excepted into the surrounding majority...not in any country this world has ever known. Except the country that they founded israel.
I've never really known any jews myself but i wonder why....for thousands of years they've been disliked by so many people.

[shadoworder]

I have a lot of jewish friends and when you ask them their background they say oh russian, italian, polish, german, etc. never Jewish. Even my close Jewish friend said Ashkenazi Jews call make their religion a race and when the time suits them to be white then they say they're white. The truth is, doesn't matter how much Ashkenazis claim that their religion is a ethnic group, jews are a religion. Thats why you have east African jews, south African jews, Mexican, Indian (from India), and even Chinese jews. If they are a ethnic group all christians are an ethnic group, even though they span from the darkest African in the congo to the whitest European Scandinavia.

Listen i respect your opinion because at least you are saying this based on your own experiences,and not dismissing what ive said without offering anything that remotely resembles a counter argument like sentenza.But my case has been different,every jewish person ive ever known would define themselves as Jewish regardless of what religious belief they followed.im not going to say that their arent jews who think differently and who say that they are a religion only,but they are definitely a tiny minority who are going against jewish history and tradition as well.yes their is a jewsih religion,but their is also a jewish people too,who predate the religion,after all in the old testament/torah they are referred to as gods 'Chosen people' why would God have a Chosen people??wouldnt it instead be a chosen religion??and wouldnt they have been encouraged if it were a religion to go out and convert as many people as possible??thats certainly not what happened.your analogy of xtians being an ethnic group is way off,whats the definition of ethnic group:a social group or category of the population that, in a larger society, is set apart and bound together by common ties of race, language, nationality, or culture.
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-90 ... 0Group&ct=

that definition could not apply to any xtian group,but it fits jews to a T.xtains are spread all over the world because of Conversion,jews on the other hand because they fled to other countries after the destruction of the Second Temple.plus did read what i posted about those DNA studies that show that jews all come from a common middle eastern ancestor thousands of years ago??lets think about this for a second...if they did a similar tests on Catholics or protestants would they get similar results??I mean come on now
those DNA results are not consistent with a mere religous community,but consistent with what ive been saying,that they are an ethnic group
here read it again:Recently published research in the field of molecular genetics -- the study of DNA sequences -- indicates that Jewish populations of the various Diaspora communities have retained their genetic identity throughout the exile. Despite large geographic distances between the communities and the passage of thousands of years, far removed Jewish communities share a similar genetic profile. This research confirms the common ancestry and common geographical origin of world Jewry.

Jewish men from communities which developed in the Near East -- Iran, Iraq, Kurdistan, Yemen -- and European Jews have very similar, almost identical genetic profiles.

"Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."
(M.F. Hammer, Proc. Nat'l Academy of Science, May 9, 2000)

The basis of this new field of population research is the study of the Y-chromosome, which is passed virtually unchanged from father to son. The rare mutations -- which are changes in the non-coding portion of its DNA -- can serve as markers, which can distinguish peoples. By studying the genetic signatures of various groups, comparisons can be made to determine the genetic relationships between the groups.

Y-chromosome research of the Jewish people began as an outgrowth of the study of Cohanim -- the Jewish priestly family. These studies showed a very high genetic affinity among present-day Cohanim, indicating that they do have a common paternal ancestor, estimated to have lived some 3,000 years ago. (See The Cohanim/DNA Connection)

MOST RECENT RESEARCH

The most recent genetic research consists of obtaining DNA samples, and doing laboratory analysis and comparison of the DNA markers on the Y-chromosome -- which is passed from father to son, and on the mtDNA (mitrocondrial DNA) -- which is passed intact from mother to son and daughter. This genetic anthropology promises to be particularly informative for tracking the history of Jewish populations, and helping to resolve the debate on the origins and migrations of Jewish communities in the Diaspora.

The researchers proposed to answer the question whether the scattered groups of modern Jews can be identified as the descendants of the ancient Hebrews of the Bible, or whether their common ancestry has been diluted through influx of converts and through intermarriage so that little remains of their "Jewish genes."

The complex recorded history of dispersal from the Land of Israel and subsequent residence in and movements between various countries in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East is expected to produce a complex pattern of genetic relationships among Jewish populations as well as between them and the non-Jewish peoples among whom they lived.

The research was based on samples from 29 populations, 7 Jewish, categorized into five major divisions: Jews, Middle-Eastern non-Jews, Europeans, North Africans, and sub-Saharan Africans.


The findings were that most Jewish communities do indeed seem to be genetically similar.........
http://www.aish.com/societywork/science ... _Genes.asp

Here are two Definitions from two more Jewish sources:

Jew: this is a term derived from a geo-political designation; Jews are identified with the country of Judea and its nation; this indicates ethnic and national identity rather than just belief or practice.
Muslim: this term denotes believers in Islam, in submission to the will of Allah, of God, the term is neither ethnic, like Jew, nor confessional like Christian.

- Prof. S. Daniel Breslauer, Professor of Religious Studies, University of Kansas
http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/jews.html#howcan

It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship.
http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

[shadoworder]

Never mind bothering this guy with facts. He wants to believe that, so let him dream.[/quote]

Talking about yourself??

[Sentenza]

It ll take a long answer to express my point of view and i cant be bothered right now, but ill do it in the next days. In your honour shadoworder

[thebasher]

DAMN