Proud To Be White (And it's long over-due.)

[Quepolo3]

Que polo

I do agree that economic status is a factor but I would not ally myself with some one just because they share the same economic class as me.Money is just a one of the factors of power in the US. There other aspects like connections,political affiliation,education etc,.

But I dare not to think that whites would view us the same just because you share the same economic class as them,they surely would take you more seriously if you have more money , but when you have a higher income what kind of business are you in,Blacks in the US do not have a vast array of corporate rapport.
Would you share the same corporate field,same union ,same fraternity,
Even with local issues that arise in the white and black community you see the difference when blacks are trying to make a change.
whites go to the town hall meetings, most blacks go to the community center.

They were rich Creoles ,blacks,and mulattoes in Cuba who fought for independence but the blacks and rich blacks at that still ended up not having that much political influence.

@ViciousRidah- As always, you bring up some great points. When I speak on economics, I'm not saying that whites accept us strictly for economic reasons, but that they view us differently. I do think that it is one of the main reasons that the seperation exists. Economics is what is dividing everyone now. Even white communities won't acccept their own, if they are not in the same financial class. Something similar to the elite mindset. Even in the black community, when a black person gets paid, do they typically stay in the same neighborhoods, no most of them move into the upper scale white neighborhoods and never look back. Back in the day, when there was segregation, they couldn't do that. Wealthy black people were forced to stay in the community and their financial resources would stay in the community and help. Now we have no uppper income bracket. Desegregation was the biggest destroyer of the black community than anything else, except for crack.

There will always be those that stay divided due to race, there is no doubt about that. However, I travel often and I see more neighborhoods that are racially mixed that ever before. I don't think that people necessarily live next to one another because they want to, but that economics dictates it. White flight still exists.

[ViciousRidah]

Que polo

I do agree that economic status is a factor but I would not ally myself with some one just because they share the same economic class as me.Money is just a one of the factors of power in the US. There other aspects like connections,political affiliation,education etc,.

But I dare not to think that whites would view us the same just because you share the same economic class as them,they surely would take you more seriously if you have more money , but when you have a higher income what kind of business are you in,Blacks in the US do not have a vast array of corporate rapport.
Would you share the same corporate field,same union ,same fraternity,
Even with local issues that arise in the white and black community you see the difference when blacks are trying to make a change.
whites go to the town hall meetings, most blacks go to the community center.

They were rich Creoles ,blacks,and mulattoes in Cuba who fought for independence but the blacks and rich blacks at that still ended up not having that much political influence.

@ViciousRidah- As always, you bring up some great points. When I speak on economics, I'm not saying that whites accept us strictly for economic reasons, but that they view us differently. I do think that it is one of the main reasons that the seperation exists. Economics is what is dividing everyone now. Even white communities won't acccept their own, if they are not in the same financial class. Something similar to the elite mindset. Even in the black community, when a black person gets paid, do they typically stay in the same neighborhoods, no most of them move into the upper scale white neighborhoods and never look back. Back in the day, when there was segregation, they couldn't do that. Wealthy black people were forced to stay in the community and their financial resources would stay in the community and help. Now we have no uppper income bracket. Desegregation was the biggest destroyer of the black community than anything else, except for crack.

There will always be those that stay divided due to race, there is no doubt about that. However, I travel often and I see more neighborhoods that are racially mixed that ever before. I don't think that people necessarily live next to one another because they want to, but that economics dictates it. White flight still exists.

No doubt, I would definitely think blacks need to get some funds to move up in life.I wouldn't necessarily say that we need whites to accept us, we would probably need to meet at a common ground.That's the problem of always wanting whites to accept you,that may not happen, but what people need to do is at least have whites be cordial and have respect towards blacks,thus and therefore there would be a better atmosphere for both whites and blacks in this country to do business with each other.

You dropped a jewel about rich upper class blacks not being able to move into rich neighborhoods.I know about the housing clauses certain counties and cities had, that didn't allow blacks looking to apply for a loan that usually stated they were not eligible for them in certain neighborhoods.

But blacks did have certain affluent neighborhoods to move into, I think certain places like DC and Harlem were they were some rich blacks. Not all upper class blacks couldn't move into a certain neighborhood because not all were segregated if i'm correct, well I can't speak on how it was for blacks buying houses in the south back then.

There are more neighborhoods that are becoming more integrated due to gentrification.Upper class Blacks and upper class whites are now living in the same neighborhood as of today, and for the first time we see whites moving to Black neighborhoods, in full force.

Places like Harlem and DC have whites moving into black neighborhoods.And blacks and whites both have money and are moving into neighborhoods that were once criminal nests.
But they are also totally wealthy black neighborhoods across the country example is ,Buckhead GA.So you can have it both ways move to a rich integrated neighborhood or rich black neighborhood.

The point is that economic class ain't going to change everything.Its only a part of it.

[CaliBoy97]

@Christina and everyone else......

As my African studies professor once said,

"Black pride is not necessarily taking pride in just the accomplishments, but theacknowledgement of the struggles associated with being black."

With that being said, it would be politically incorrect to celebrate "white pride" on the basis that whites, at least those that landed in the U.S didn't achieve this greatness by pure altruism. To celebrate U.S. White pride is also to celebrate the destruction the bugfalo, a source of food and clothing for Native Americans. It's also a celwbration of slavery, a celebration of Jim Crow, a celebration of "white's only" resturants. In other words its not just the good you celebrate but the bad. Because U.S whotes had an advantage of being successful at the expense of others merely being proud of being white is to indirectly glorify that.

Black Pride is the reversal. Because blacks were the disadvantaged group since the 1600's to be proud of being black is to acknowledge the success from struggle. Its about the success of black leaders fighting for equality. Its abouy lifting the apartheid in Africa.

Thomas Edison known for creating the light bulb was given credit but a black man designed the inner mechanism that allows the conduction of electricity to light up (under the supervision of Edison). There were many accomplishments blacks had down that never came to light due to racism.

I say all this to say that I am not saying dont be proud, but understand that when you say "white pride" you also acknowledge the bad to

[Silencioso]

The people who say "white pride" are generally racists. That's my only problem with "white pride". Non racist whites take pride in their ethnic groups - Irish, Italian,Polish etc. - or even their region/city. But not their "race".

[Silencioso]

@Christina and everyone else......

As my African studies professor once said,

"Black pride is not necessarily taking pride in just the accomplishments, but theacknowledgement of the struggles associated with being black."

With that being said, it would be politically incorrect to celebrate "white pride" on the basis that whites, at least those that landed in the U.S didn't achieve this greatness by pure altruism. To celebrate U.S. White pride is also to celebrate the destruction the bugfalo, a source of food and clothing for Native Americans. It's also a celwbration of slavery, a celebration of Jim Crow, a celebration of "white's only" resturants. In other words its not just the good you celebrate but the bad. Because U.S whotes had an advantage of being successful at the expense of others merely being proud of being white is to indirectly glorify that.

Black Pride is the reversal. Because blacks were the disadvantaged group since the 1600's to be proud of being black is to acknowledge the success from struggle. Its about the success of black leaders fighting for equality. Its abouy lifting the apartheid in Africa.

Thomas Edison known for creating the light bulb was given credit but a black man designed the inner mechanism that allows the conduction of electricity to light up (under the supervision of Edison). There were many accomplishments blacks had down that never came to light due to racism.

I say all this to say that I am not saying dont be proud, but understand that when you say "white pride" you also acknowledge the bad to

So "white pride" has negatige bagage attached to it but "black pride" is pure and noble? Good luck getting a working class or poor white person to believe that.

I think by definition "(fill in the race) Pride" is an expression of the positive aspects of a group and an assertion of their basic humanity and natural rights. The idea that whites have to embrace their negative history but other racial groups don't ,simply doesn't work in a healthy multiracial society.

Again, my problem with "white pride" is that the people that say it are almost always racist.

[MCD]

@Christina and everyone else......

As my African studies professor once said,

"Black pride is not necessarily taking pride in just the accomplishments, but theacknowledgement of the struggles associated with being black."

With that being said, it would be politically incorrect to celebrate "white pride" on the basis that whites, at least those that landed in the U.S didn't achieve this greatness by pure altruism. To celebrate U.S. White pride is also to celebrate the destruction the bugfalo, a source of food and clothing for Native Americans. It's also a celwbration of slavery, a celebration of Jim Crow, a celebration of "white's only" resturants. In other words its not just the good you celebrate but the bad. Because U.S whotes had an advantage of being successful at the expense of others merely being proud of being white is to indirectly glorify that.

Black Pride is the reversal. Because blacks were the disadvantaged group since the 1600's to be proud of being black is to acknowledge the success from struggle. Its about the success of black leaders fighting for equality. Its abouy lifting the apartheid in Africa.

Thomas Edison known for creating the light bulb was given credit but a black man designed the inner mechanism that allows the conduction of electricity to light up (under the supervision of Edison). There were many accomplishments blacks had down that never came to light due to racism.

I say all this to say that I am not saying dont be proud, but understand that when you say "white pride" you also acknowledge the bad to

[CaliBoy97]

I don't think you understand me.

White pride takes on a different connotation just as White-German pride. Because despite the accomplishments there is also the negatives that taint this pride. For U.S whites, its slavery and the taking of the indigenous peoples lands. For German whites it was the Holocaust. I am sorry but the fact is there are a lot of whites since the early centuries who made success at the expense of others. Hell, the only thing in my opinion to be proud of is the decleration of independence. IMHO

[CaliBoy97]

I want to further add to the comment of "Or black pride is pure and noble?"

First off African-American aggression is a byproduct of systemic injustice. I mean if you continue to mistreat any living creature it will eventually fight back. Similarly, through centuries of injustice came black nationalism, nation of islam and black panthers. All groups focusing past and current racial injustices. Although African-American heritage shares some negative press, it is only a byproduct of 450+ years of oppression IMHO

[MCD]

I want to further add to the comment of "Or black pride is pure and noble?"

First off African-American aggression is a byproduct of systemic injustice. I mean if you continue to mistreat any living creature it will eventually fight back. Similarly, through centuries of injustice came black nationalism, nation of islam and black panthers. All groups focusing past and current racial injustices. Although African-American heritage shares some negative press, it is only a byproduct of 450+ years of oppression IMHO

I wrote a long ass reply under my quote but it got erased somehow. But what I wanted to say was your professor's comment basically sums it up.

The white people who are for some reason angry with the terms "Brown/Black Pride" want so bad for their own version "White Power" to be socially acceptable. But the argument of equating the terms is completely flawed. Brown/Black Pride arose as a tool not to impose racial superiority, but to empower groups of people that were blatantly discriminated against and even subjected to racially motivated violence.

Outside of Brown/Black pride (which is instinctively perceived as latino/african-american pride respectively) you may have Mexican Pride, Boricua Pride, Nicoy pride, or maybe even Kenyan/Ethiopian pride. So how about this, instead of adopting the term used by racist fringe groups, white people should look into their family's national origin. White people aren't just white, they are Spanish, Italian, slavic, Russian, English, etc. If you really must be proud of your background, pick one and roll with it! It's far more acceptable than using a term with racist connotation.

If you're mixed...well, most mixed people I meet do not identify with or embrace any particular culture because it's pointless, they would be representing 5 or 6 different countries and in most cases their parents have the same mindset.

To advocate the accepted use of "White Power" which itself has been a tool to impose racial superiority is simply inconsiderate. Use your damn common sense and like I said, choose a nationality if you really must show pride.

[CaliBoy97]

I want to further add to the comment of "Or black pride is pure and noble?"

First off African-American aggression is a byproduct of systemic injustice. I mean if you continue to mistreat any living creature it will eventually fight back. Similarly, through centuries of injustice came black nationalism, nation of islam and black panthers. All groups focusing past and current racial injustices. Although African-American heritage shares some negative press, it is only a byproduct of 450+ years of oppression IMHO

I wrote a long ass reply under my quote but it got erased somehow. But what I wanted to say was your professor's comment basically sums it up.

The white people who are for some reason angry with the terms "Brown/Black Pride" want so bad for their own version "White Power" to be socially acceptable. But the argument of equating the terms is completely flawed. Brown/Black Pride arose as a tool not to impose racial superiority, but to empower groups of people that were blatantly discriminated against and even subjected to racially motivated violence.

Outside of Brown/Black pride (which is instinctively perceived as latino/african-american pride respectively) you may have Mexican Pride, Boricua Pride, Nicoy pride, or maybe even Kenyan/Ethiopian pride. So how about this, instead of adopting the term used by racist fringe groups, white people should look into their family's national origin. White people aren't just white, they are Spanish, Italian, slavic, Russian, English, etc. If you really must be proud of your background, pick one and roll with it! It's far more acceptable than using a term with racist connotation.

If you're mixed...well, most mixed people I meet do not identify with or embrace any particular culture because it's pointless, they would be representing 5 or 6 different countries and in most cases their parents have the same mindset.

To advocate the accepted use of "White Power" which itself has been a tool to impose racial superiority is simply inconsiderate. Use your damn common sense and like I said, choose a nationality if you really must show pride.

You absolutely right! You brought up points I forgot to mention.

Brown/Black/Native American pride historically was basically about overcoming injustices done to them in a highly racist America. But yes thank you for bringing up those points.

[MCD]

No problem, jus clearing it up for people who want to scream "double-standard" when it's obvious why White Power is unacceptable. And truth be told, if you need to say "White" because you have no clue which particular culture of white people you originate from (spanish, italian, etc), you probably don't need to be expressing ethnic or racial pride anyways.

[Tacobender]

wow!! According to this thread everybody is a G.D. racist.

[HungryWolf]

Man, what's going on here????

Blacks this, whites that, Germans here, Mexicans there. Pride, hate, whatever. U ppl gotta recognize that u can't change what u are. Speaking for me I am white and I am German. There comes a certain heritage with that fact. But there is absolutely nothing at all to be proud of this things and absolutely nothing to be ashamed of as well. U know why? Because the only things u could be proud of is of the things u do urself. Same is true for the things u should be ashamed of. For example being proud of the thing u accomplished in live or be ashamed for the mistakes u made.

Get over that race and nation stuff. I as a German know exactly what I am talking about...

[Christina Marie]

Man, what's going on here????

Blacks this, whites that, Germans here, Mexicans there. Pride, hate, whatever. U ppl gotta recognize that u can't change what u are. Speaking for me I am white and I am German. There comes a certain heritage with that fact. But there is absolutely nothing at all to be proud of this things and absolutely nothing to be ashamed of as well. U know why? Because the only things u could be proud of is of the things u do urself. Same is true for the things u should be ashamed of. For example being proud of the thing u accomplished in live or be ashamed for the mistakes u made.

Get over that race and nation stuff. I as a German know exactly what I am talking about...

Funny you say "we" should get over any "pride" in ones race or nationality but you keep bringing up your German heritage. Hmmmmmmmmm

[HungryWolf]

Well, cut that out and my main point will be exactly the same. Apart from that: Having a certain ethnic influence on your personality doesn't mean u have to be proud of it. Acceptance is the thing. So, don't try to twist my words.

[Christina Marie]

Well, cut that out and my main point will be exactly the same. Apart from that: Having a certain ethnic influence on your personality doesn't mean u have to be proud of it. Acceptance is the thing. So, don't try to twist my words.

As long as a person acts straight with me I don't give a shit what race they are. However I AM also proud of my heritage, I am second generation American Russian Doukhobor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doukhobor and German Jew. I wasn't twisting you're words around. Maybe you should take more care to say what you mean then.

[Tacobender]

Well, cut that out and my main point will be exactly the same. Apart from that: Having a certain ethnic influence on your personality doesn't mean u have to be proud of it. Acceptance is the thing. So, don't try to twist my words.

why is it okay to go around imposing white guilt ? be proud of your heritage. The rest of us are. some of my best friends are white.

[HungryWolf]

[quote="HungryWolf"]There comes a certain heritage with that fact. But there is absolutely nothing at all to be proud of this things and absolutely nothing to be ashamed of as well[/

Christina, how more clear has my message to be? But I agree with u in One Point: if One comes straight and correct I don't care bout his race or nationality. But same is also true if he doesn't. That might be a difference.

Tacobender: i am Not imposing white guilt, nor am I imposing white pride. The Color of Ur Skin is just a matter of fact u can't change. Like I said, it's just about acceptanc. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Christina Marie]

There comes a certain heritage with that fact. But there is absolutely nothing at all to be proud of this things and absolutely nothing to be ashamed of as well[/

Christina, how more clear has my message to be? But I agree with u in One Point: if One comes straight and correct I don't care bout his race or nationality. But same is also true if he doesn't. That might be a difference.

Tacobender: i am Not imposing white guilt, nor am I imposing white pride. The Color of Ur Skin is just a matter of fact u can't change. Like I said, it's just about acceptanc. Nothing more, nothing less.

Fact is, whether we admit it or not....we ALL stereotype according to race

[HungryWolf]

Fact is, whether we admit it or not....we ALL stereotype according to race

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-racial-stereotypes.php

Have a look at those stereotypes. Most of them r making members of other races down. So, would u say that "we ALL stereotype according to race" is a good thing?

But anyway, maybe I am just not getting ur point. Tell me about why u r proud of ur race, so I might understand ur point of view.

[Tacobender]

Tacobender: i am Not imposing white guilt, nor am I imposing white pride. The Color of Ur Skin is just a matter of fact u can't change. Like I said, it's just about acceptanc. Nothing more, nothing less.

then why is it blacks especially make so much issue about skin color? they cannot ever talk about human rights without identifying their color.

[HungryWolf]

then why is it blacks especially make so much issue about skin color? they cannot ever talk about human rights without identifying their color.

Well, I don't know. Maybe someone who acts like this should answer this question... But I don't believe in generalizing things. I just don't like to say "all blacks this and all whites that". It's manly because I don't wanna be treated like that, so I don't treat other ppl like that.

[Christina Marie]

Fact is, whether we admit it or not....we ALL stereotype according to race

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-racial-stereotypes.php

Have a look at those stereotypes. Most of them r making members of other races down. So, would u say that "we ALL stereotype according to race" is a good thing?

But anyway, maybe I am just not getting ur point. Tell me about why u r proud of ur race, so I might understand ur point of view.

I am proud of MY HERITAGE if you actually read my post. And I am proud of both sides for different reasons. Both are spiritual warriors

[HungryWolf]

I am proud of MY HERITAGE if you actually read my post. And I am proud of both sides for different reasons. Both are spiritual warriors

Oh, then why is this thread called "Proud To Be White"? Being white is a matter of race, not heritage. Anyway, u stereotype ur ancestors as spiritual warriors. So, does this make u a spiritual warrior as well? For me, it is like this: I am happy to be male (coz I got used to it and I enjoy it), it's OK for me to be white (coz I can't change it anyway) and I got used to the fact that I am of German nationality (coz it can be trouble sometimes). I accept those things, coz I can't change them (Well, Michael Jackson actually could, but this is another story). Idealization of things that r a matter of fact makes no sense to me.

[Tacobender]

Fact is, whether we admit it or not....we ALL stereotype according to race

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-racial-stereotypes.php

Have a look at those stereotypes. Most of them r making members of other races down. So, would u say that "we ALL stereotype according to race" is a good thing?

But anyway, maybe I am just not getting ur point. Tell me about why u r proud of ur race, so I might understand ur point of view.

so you're sayin' it aint cool to be proud of being a man or an American?

[Tacobender]

I am proud of MY HERITAGE if you actually read my post. And I am proud of both sides for different reasons. Both are spiritual warriors

Oh, then why is this thread called "Proud To Be White"? Being white is a matter of race, not heritage. Anyway, u stereotype ur ancestors as spiritual warriors. So, does this make u a spiritual warrior as well? For me, it is like this: I am happy to be male (coz I got used to it and I enjoy it), it's OK for me to be white (coz I can't change it anyway) and I got used to the fact that I am of German nationality (coz it can be trouble sometimes). I accept those things, coz I can't change them (Well, Michael Jackson actually could, but this is another story). Idealization of things that r a matter of fact makes no sense to me.

(forget that last post) it was supposed to go on this comment not the last one,, couldn't edit it.)

so you're sayin' it aint cool to be proud of being a man or an American?

[HungryWolf]

so you're sayin' it aint cool to be proud of being a man or an American?

Nah, man. U don't understand my point of view. I am just saying that u can't be proud of things u can't change, coz they r a matter of fact. I'd rather say I am happy to be a man and I enjoy it. But being proud of it? I don't know – a wish doesn't make an erection, u know what I mean?

[Tacobender]

so you're sayin' it aint cool to be proud of being a man or an American?

Nah, man. U don't understand my point of view. I am just saying that u can't be proud of things u can't change, coz they r a matter of fact. I'd rather say I am happy to be a man and I enjoy it. But being proud of it? I don't know – a wish doesn't make an erection, u know what I mean?[/quote

I dont lnow... I think there is some confusion as what it means to be "proud"

[HungryWolf]

OK, I looked the word up and there really might be a cultural difference in the usage of the word "proud". That's why I asked Marie to explain it to me. So, Tacobender, maybe u could tell me the proper meaning?