RAIDERS!!!

[Pepito_That_Ese]

Damn Woodson is one of my favorites player, and he better report to the camp as soon as possible. I dont think he is the best corner in the league but in this times even players who didnt even put the pads yet are paid like they are the best players in the league (Kellen Winslow is a good example)
The Raiders should give him the damn money, cuz he worth it, great CB's are hard to find today in the NFL.
Philip Buchanon has the tools to become a premier cover CB but he is nowhere near Woodson when it comes to play the run. Woodson tackles like a SS, thats amazing.
To answer yo question, If Woodson comes back the secondary will be fine, they have good depth on every positions.

[E`S`T]

INTERESTING THOUGHT PROCESS PEPITO..I, ON THE OTHER HAND, DO NOT THINK THEY SHOULD GIVE WOODSON ANY BIG TIME MONEY. I THINK HE HASN'T PERFORMED UP TO PAR WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE OF HIS INJURIES AND ATTITUDE. HE IS GETTING UP THERE IN AGE AND LOCKING HIM UP FOR 5-7 YRS WOULD COST THE RAIDERS ALOT..THEY COULD USE THAT $$$ TO PURSUE OTHER FREE AGENTS IN THE FUTURE OR SIGN SOME OF THERE YOUNGER PLAYERS TO ENSURE THEY STAY. I THINK ASUMUNGA AND BUCHANNON ARE YOUNG AND ATHELTIC ENOUGH TO TAKE HIS SPOT. WOODSON KINDA LOST HIS STEP LAST YR. I THINK BUCHANNON AND ASUMUNGA ARE BUDDING STARS. BUCHANNON IS DAMN GOOD AT RETURNING PUNTS AND ASUMUNGA HAS ALRIGHT COVERAGE. BUT WHO KNOWS, AL DAVIS IS KINDA CRAZY AND ERRATIC WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING DECICSIONS. I JUST HOPE HIS HOLDOUT DOSEN'T AFFECT THE CHEMISTRY OF THE TEAM.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT GANNON?? I AM KINDA IN THE MIDDLE. THE RAIDERS ARE PAYING HIM 7 MILLION THIS YR.. 7 MILLION!! HE BETTER PRODUCE OR I'D STICK COLLINS IN THERE IN A HEART BEAT. WHO DO U THINK IS THE BETTER QB?? I KNOW COLLINS HAS A BETTER ARM....

[Pepito_That_Ese]

Ur probabbly right, givin big bucks 2 Woodson is not the best idea cuz he has some durability concerns, hes 1 of my favorites players of my favorite team so you know I want to keep him haha. But yeah a 7-year deal with max money wouldnt be wise cuz even if he switches to safety in 3 or 4 years I wouldnt want to spend that much money on a safety.

Gannon was a good player, he was the heart & soul of the team 2 years ago, I got a lot of respect for him, but he is gettin old and he comes back from a shoulder injury so U know its goin to be hard for him to play at the level he had 2 years ago. But if he can win ball games it would be nice to see him play one last season with the Raiders and finish his Raiders stint (and maybe his career) on a better note than last year.
As for Collins, he is a good QB with a nice arm, I think the Raiders have some nice days ahead of them with Collins under center and a some speedy youngsters in Porter, Gabriel, Morrant, Francis, Curry (who is the one of the best player in camp according to Tim Brown) plus TE's Johnson, Jolley and Williams, and one of the best and deepest O-Line in football.
So I would let Gannon start the season and let him play as long as he can win games (and I hope he can cuz it would be sad to watch him finish his career on the bench) and next year no matter what give the starting job to Collins

[E`S`T]

MAN O' MAN, THE RAIDERS REPORTEDLY ARE OFFERING WOODSON MONEY TO BECOME THE HIGHEST PAID CORNER IN THE LEAGUE. GOOD OR BAD MOVE. WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, IF HE SIGNS, THE DEAL COULD BE WORTH OVER 65 MILLION. NOT TO MENTION THE LUXURY TAX THAT WILL ALSO BE ADDED IF HE SIGNS. I THINK THIS IS A BAD MOVE. IN MY OPINION HE ISN'T THE CALIBER PLAYER HE SHOWED SIGNS OF BEING AND HIS ATTITUDE IS A LITTLE SHADY. WHAT ARE PPL'S THOUGHTS???

[Pepito_That_Ese]

Thats a shitload of money, I dont know if thats a good move, a huge contract like that can kill the salary cap room.

[E`S`T]

WHERE U AT GTS??? GOOD GAME BUT ULTIMATELY THE 9ERS LOST. SO. I'LL LET U SAY SOMETHING FIRST....NO EXCUSES THOUGH...

[GTS]

U GUYS GOT US NO EXCUSES. THAT LAST TOUCHDOWN THE RAIDERS GOT AFTER WE SCORED ALMOST HAD ME AND MY RAIDER HOMIE SCRAPPIN. WE HAVE SOME HOLES TO FILL, JUST AS ALL TEAMS DO THIS EARLY IN THE SEASON. COLLINS AND TUIASASOPO PLAYED GOOD. TOO EARLY TO TELL, BUT WHAT U THINK, DOOBIE?

[Conman]

^^^Check it out GTS....expect big things from the Raiders this year. I was impressed by the O-line (missed the 1st quarter, but they looked good through out). The D is going to be better then average and will keep teams honest.

49ers, need help....QB would be nice. Allinall, good game.

[GTS]

MISS ME WITH THAT SHIT CONMAN. COME BACK TO REALITY, GIVEN UP 30 PTS TO THE 49ERS WHO ARE "WEAK" IN RAIDERS EYES, DOESN'T MEAN GOOD THINGS FOR U. YOU WON'T BE OVER .500!

[Conman]

^^^Preseason, starters only play 1st quarter....the shit is real...Raiders will have a decent D this year that will keep teams on their toes, 49ers got calls that were straight bull shit (remember the interception at the end of the half)...didn't matter though, we still got the field goal.

49ers they got lucky the 3rd string gave them those points
It was what 13 - 6 at half time. 49ers won't finish at .500....wasted franchise.

[GTS]

THAT'S THE THING ABOUT RAIDER FANS, THEY HAVE TO DISCREDIT OTHER TEAMS CAUSE THEIR TEAM AINT SHIT. I'M DONE WITH THIS THREAD, BUT IT WAS A GOOD GAME, RAIDERS WON, SO WE'LL SEE IN A COUPLE WEEKS WHEN THE REAL SEASON STARTS.

[E`S`T]

EASY FELLAS, EASY...THE RAIDERS LOOKED GOOD BUT SO DID THE 9ERS. JUST THINK OF THE OUTCOME IF T.O AND GARCIA WERE THERE...ALSO, TOO MANY PENALTIES FOR THE RAIDERS..SAME OL STORY...WE HAD LIKE 12 PENALTIES FOR A BOAT LOAD OF YARDS. THE "EXPERTS" (ESPN) PICK THE RAIDERS NOT TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, AND ONE WENT EVEN AS FAR AS SAYING THE RAIDERS WERE GONNA GO 6-10...WE'LL SEE THOUGH, I'D LOVE TO PROVE THEM WRONG. I'M STILL SCEPTICAL ABOUT GANNON. I THINK WITH TURNERS PASS HAPPY OFFENSE, COLLINS COULD GET THE BALL DOWN FIELD TO THE SPEEDY RECEIVERS. WE NEED TO SPREAD THE FIELD, AND HAVE A FULL TIME RB...THIS "RB BY COMMITTEE" BUISNESS HAS ONLY WORKED WITH DENVER (REMEMBER OLANDIS GARY AND GARY ANDERSON) MOST TEAMS HAVE A FEATURE BACK. SO, THERE ARE QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED. BUT REGARDLESS, I'LL BE DRUNK EVERY RAIDER GAME

[GTS]

DOOBIE, I AGREE WITH ALL YOU'VE SAID ON THE GAME AND THE RAIDERS. I THINK COLLINS SHOULD BE YOUR QB THIS YEAR. HE LOOKED GOOD IN THE POCKET. HONESTLY BY THE TIME THE 3RD QUARTER HIT THE TECATE'S WERE CATCHING UP WITH ME, SO MY MEMORY WASN'T ALL THERE, I JUST NO I WAS PISSED AFTER THE GAME.

[Conman]

GTS, stop taking shit so personal....

Raiders won, that is all that counts. F what ESPN and the analysts think, the Raiders (if healthy and if the D gels) will have a shot at the playoffs.

You are right, Collins should start and Gannon should be the #2.

[E`S`T]

SEEMS LIKE COLLINS ARM IS A LITTLE CRISPER AND STRONGER THAN GANNONS..WELL HIS ARM IS STRONGER AND CRISPER THAN GANNONS..WHAT DO PPL THINK ABOUT THEIR SCHEDULE?? I WAS LOOKING AT IT TODAY AND THOSE LOOK LIKE TOUGH GAMES AHEAD...DURING AND INTERVIEW, GANNON SEEMED TO HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THIS SEASON. HE REPORTED TO CAMP 10 LBS. LESS THAN HIS EVER BEEN AND HIS DEDICATION SEEMS TO BE RENEWED. I DONT KNOW WHAT THE DEAL WITH WOODSON IS BUT EVER SINCE NORV TURNER CAME IN, THE PLAYERS SEEM TO BE ON THIS NEW ATTITUDE TYPE JAZZ. I HOPE THIS 'TUDE CARRIES THROUGHOUT THE SEASON. I JUST HOPE THEY FEATURE JERRY PORTER MORE IN THEIR OFFENSE...AND WHOS GONNA BE THE RB THIS YR?? WHEATLY, ZEREOUE, OR HAMBRICK????

[E`S`T]

MISSED THE COWBOYS GAME..HOW DID THEY LOOK?? I KEEP HEARING ABOUT COLLINS ARM STRENGTH...ALOT OF PENALTIES AGAIN. WHAT WERE PPLS THOUGHTS??

[GTS]

DIDN'T SEE THE WHOLE GAME, BUT COLLINS LOOKED ACCURATE FROM WHAT I SAW, ESPECIALLY ON THE LONG BALL.

[Conman]

^Yeah, Collins looked good, but Gannon was ok too. He was quick on his feet and avoided a few sacks...he would have ate those last year.

Watch out for Porter, he is going to become the top WR this year.

Cowboys need to do something at QB. I actually like them for some reason and they could be exciting in that division.

[E`S`T]

LOOKS LIKE WOODSON IS GOING TO SIGN A ONE YEAR OFFER AND THEN MAYBE THEY WILL TALK ON A LONG TERM DEAL. THIS NEW 4-3 DEFENSE HE NEEDS TO LEARN AND CATCH UP. I HOPE THE RAIDERS CRUSH THE CARDINALS. ALSO, ROBERT GALLERY IS MOVING TO GUARD. GOOD OR BAD MOVE???

[Conman]

Raiders need Wood...Buchanan to me is done and will be a liability.

According to Sapp, Gallery has been kicking everybody's ass on the Raider D-line. Moving him at the G-spot will probably strengthen that side for Gannon (or Collins).

The RB spot has me concerned. Wheatley is not as explosive as I thought and it looks like Fargas is the only one with fresh legs. Something is going to give.

WR wise, we are on point. I like the way Collins keeps them deep, hell Tuaposio(helluva spellcheck) even got out a long ball on the Cowboys.

[E`S`T]

no excuses,...sloppy play, too many penalties and turnovers, big disappointment..

[Conman]

The only positives are that Whitted & Gabriel are going to be good weapons down the line.

[olo]

Given em some time. They will be okay. They came back and almost won. Pittsburgh is a good team.

[Conman]

Got Tampa Bay this Sunday....Gruden didn't create this offense this time. Let's see how Brad Johnson deals with this Raider D...he better study Bledsoe's mistakes...LOL

[Conman]

The Bucs didn't know what hit them....I am not going to get to on it yet, but it looks like the Raiders can move themselves in the drivers seat in the AFC West...look at the big picture-

Chiefs - O-3
Diego - 1-2 (weak as hell)
Broncos - 2-1 (with no running game...the lil fag Griffin couldn't run on Diego, wait till the Raiders get him.

Haters don't get mad when what I write comes to be.....

[GTS]

RAIDERS LOOKED PRETTY DESCENT AND SHOULD RUN THE TABLE IN THE SORRY ASS AFC WEST.

[E`S`T]

GANNON, BROKEN VERTEBRATE. OUT AT LEAST 6 WEEKS. PERSONALLY, I THINK THEY SHOULD CUT HIM. THIS IS PORTER AND WOODSONS LAST SEASON UNDER CONTRACT AND THIS COULD FREE UP 7 MILLION.

AND COLLINS HAS A STRONG ARM BUT A HELLA SLOW RELEASE. IT SHOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THE RAIDERS SCHEDULE TURNS OUT. THEY HAVE A HARD OCTOBER COMING UP AND I EVEN IF THEY FALL BY THE WAYSIDE, MY JOY LIES IN THE FACT THAT KC IS A FUC_EN FRAUD AND A JOKE.

AND AS FOR THE 49ERS, MAN I FEEL SORRY FOR THEM. ITS PAST THE POINT OF CLOWNING, THEY LOOK LIKE THE RAIDERS OF LAST YR. SHOULD GET A GOOD DRAFT PICK THOUGH....

[GTS]

I'M NOT EVEN GONNA COMMENT ON THE WAY THE 9ER'S PLAYED AGAINST SEATTLE. ITS SAD, BUT I KNEW IT WOULD HAPPEN THIS YEAR.

[Conman]

RAIDERS LOOKED PRETTY DESCENT AND SHOULD RUN THE TABLE IN THE SORRY ASS AFC WEST.

^^:o Well I be damned, you have finally come to your senses. Denver is still a threat, but one our D will handle thoroughly...

[over it]

raiders is just in a slump right now, they pull out of it

[Conman]

Time to get out of that slump...

KC looked pretty good on Monday
Denver even though they are weak are finding a way to win.

Got to get with Indy on Sunday...

[Conman]

The last 3-weeks the Raiders have looked horrible. I am disappointed in the way Kerry Collins is playing....and yesterdays game was the worst shit I have seen in years.