Nuestra Familia aka the NF

[TVo]

Ok, stop posting shit unless you can back it up, Prove it. VST may have been around in So Cal in 1973, which I doubt, nobody would call themselves that in L.A.
I have talked to older homies, even older than me and I'm 37 and no one can ever recall VST untill the 80's, hell most Norteno Varrios in San Jose didn't become big until the late 70's. THeres no way in hell there was any VST varrio in 1973. I'm calling you on your BS, stop posting lies

[KollmarVago408]

im not makin anything up .. VST is an old ass varrio , ive met o'gs in their 50's ... ask J he'll tell u ..

[~J~]

I'll say... TVo knows what's up!

As far as VST the first San Jo Sureno varrio... I think it kicked off in the late 70's in the SSSJ. yeah, they should have Veteranos in their 50's by now... if I can confirm the picture I saw was VST I seen from the late 70's to early 80's they look to be "Chicanos" [VST isnt the EastLos Vicky's Town.]

TVo is probably right, most of the older San Jo Norteno varrios seem to be established in the late 70's as far as I know... like VNH~VHS~VL (WSM)~EHP~VMF etc... to name a few others.

VL (WSM)~EHP may have been around in the mid 70's and VHS possibly the early 70's? but I think ES Fresno was the birth of the Norteno varrios in the early 70's.

The Hells Angels/Motorcycle gangs were the only established San Jose gangs in the early 70's as I understand it.

TVo, school me on the early San Jo-South Bay Norteno varrio scene...

[KollmarVago408]

VST IS ALREADY ON ITS 3RD GENERATION .. MY HOMIES GRANDFATHER WAS FROM VST SO WAS HIS DAD AND SO IS HE .... AND GUESS WHAT THEIR ALL CHICANOS ..... ...

[TVo]

First of all, the hoods in the early 70's didn't even call themselves varrios. The gangs back then were more of the fifites style gangs and had no north or south affiliation and like J said there was alot fo biker influence, as it should since the Hells Angels started in Oakland as did the Blank Panthers and close the to bay wa the Casser Chavez movement. So there were lots of radical thinking against the establisment. Most of the gangs in So cal were named aptley as well.
One of the oldest gangs in So Cal are the Black Angels (Ontario?), as well as White Fence as well as Hoyo Maravilla. No Varrio in thier name.
Early San Jo gangs were names like Latin Dukes, Latin Lords, The Aztecs, Spades, so on and so forth. Homies back then wore sir jackets, not flannels and pendletons.
Varrio Sureno Town did not exist in the 70's. If it did, its was not called VST and it was not a Sureno hood as hardly anyone knew what that was anyway. Norte/Sure in the Bay Area didn't jump off til the 80's. I can't pretty much Garuantee back then there was not a BAY AREA born sureno.

[TVo]

just to somewhat add on, this is a pretty cool link. The dude has photos of vintage gang tagging dating back to the 1950's. Of course, all L.A. areas.
But just check out the names "Mighty Squires", "Royal Saints" and "Happy Valley Cobras" and an "Avenues" placa from 1955.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/80643375@N ... 333288415/

[KollmarVago408]

i dont know if VST was a sureno gang back then but they have been around since the 70's wether it was claiming sur or just being a neutral varrio ..

[KollmarVago408]

ey Tvo what can you say about oaklands South Side Locos gang ... I heard they were some crazy ass riders ????

[TVo]

I dunno much about Oakland but theres alot of shit going down hard there. Not only Norte/Sure but also Border Brothers, not quite sure if there the same ones as Texas which is a prison gang in Tejas. The thing about Oakland is its so diverse that you have all kinds of ethnic gangs. Chicano, Black, Asian and all of them blast each other. Perhaps someone else can speak on the gangs in Oaktown.

[~J~]

First of all, the hoods in the early 70's didn't even call themselves varrios. The gangs back then were more of the fifites style gangs and had no north or south affiliation and like J said there was alot fo biker influence, as it should since the Hells Angels started in Oakland as did the Blank Panthers and close the to bay wa the Casser Chavez movement. So there were lots of radical thinking against the establisment. Most of the gangs in So cal were named aptley as well.
One of the oldest gangs in So Cal are the Black Angels (Ontario?), as well as White Fence as well as Hoyo Maravilla. No Varrio in thier name.
Early San Jo gangs were names like Latin Dukes, Latin Lords, The Aztecs, Spades, so on and so forth. Homies back then wore sir jackets, not flannels and pendletons.

Okay, if I get you right... these early 70's gang names were the predecessor name to was would be renames varrio so and so, when they started establishing under the Norte flag in the late 70's.

Those mid to late 70's days in San Jo-South Bay had a real Lowrider movement, as I understand it.

I heard through the grapevine from an old timer from "Sal Si Puedes" and I'm assumming he was talking about the 50s-and maybe the 60s, that the San Jose Pachucos really were not like the ones from LA.

[~J~]

i dont know if VST was a sureno gang back then but they have been around since the 70's wether it was claiming sur or just being a neutral varrio ..

That's a good way of putting a possible take on VST.

[pistolslanga]

I dunno much about Oakland but theres alot of shit going down hard there. Not only Norte/Sure but also Border Brothers, not quite sure if there the same ones as Texas which is a prison gang in Tejas. The thing about Oakland is its so diverse that you have all kinds of ethnic gangs. Chicano, Black, Asian and all of them blast each other. Perhaps someone else can speak on the gangs in Oaktown.

surenos hated by blacks/asians/nortenos, some asians will hang with surenos, most homies though dont like em, from what i see, the whole norteno vs sureno is crackin up there, but its not crazy, most of the crazy comes from drug crews/projects/drug wars blacks vs blacks, same ol shit, but the norteno vs sureno isnt some joke, its crackin though.

[pistolslanga]

I dunno much about Oakland but theres alot of shit going down hard there. Not only Norte/Sure but also Border Brothers, not quite sure if there the same ones as Texas which is a prison gang in Tejas. The thing about Oakland is its so diverse that you have all kinds of ethnic gangs. Chicano, Black, Asian and all of them blast each other. Perhaps someone else can speak on the gangs in Oaktown.

surenos hated by blacks/asians/nortenos, some asians will hang with surenos, most homies though dont like em, from what i see, the whole norteno vs sureno is crackin up there, but its not crazy, most of the crazy comes from drug crews/projects/drug wars blacks vs blacks, same ol shit, but the norteno vs sureno isnt some joke, its crackin though.

blacks and nortenos get along, asians dont do shit, i aint seen many asians around there ha, you might see a couple claiming some weird ass "Long's Dragon Chu-Fung Kick gang", but theyre jokes.

[KollmarVago408]

i knew a guy from SSL who got shot in a gas station .. oakland is on some crazy shit right now ..

[MMRbkaRudog]

Whats happenin, homies?
I've been reading most of this gigantic thread and thought I would chime in, I'm 36yrs old now, so I guess you can call me a Veterano or OG, or whatever.
I'm put in my work and happily retired.
I grew up in Sunnyvale and can remember how banging was back in the 80's and 90's. This thread has been mostly about San Jo but there there quite a few other hoods in other towns as well.
Biggest Sunnyvale gang which went back to the late 70's was V.V.S (Varrio Via Sol)
Our clicka was V.G.F st Varrio Grande Fir St. East Side S-Vale
Back in the day the main rivals of S-Vale was Mountain View (V.M.V) and WS Santa Clara (V.T.V Varrio TecatosVille) Alviso (BALS) Barrio Alviso Locos
Even Milpitas had a lil click called "Sunny Hills", I think.
But city on city and Hood on hood beef died down in the early 90's and a lot of the younger homies banned together against the Sureno incursion.

We used to go all over though, we kicked it in San Jo, Salas, Modesto, Mountain View, Santa Clara, we had homies all over and there weren't really
any Surenos, not even the "paisa" kind. The only ones we had heard about was Poco Way and that was it.
The hoods I remember in San Jo were: Lomas, CPL, East Side Hoods, BMLs, Palmas, Horseshoe, NSP (North Side Posse), Varrion Brown Pride, VSJ and to go back even farther there used to be the East Side Boys and San Jose Boys which were gangs of mixed homies, Chicano, Filipinos, etc.

Heres a piece of History for you, a long time ago I chillen with a homie from CPL and their original name was Latin Lords in the 70's.
Conversely, the Sunnyvale Gang that would become V.V.S was called EPPA. The leader of V.V.S , a homie named "Chuco" RIP, later became
president fo the South Bay chapter of the Dukes Car Club.
HWD in Hayward and FMT from Fremont were also some big varrios.
Gilas at one time I think was called Varrio 500 or something like that because they were 500 deep in Gilroy.

Why do you think so many eNe's hated Alviso? Did they always start stuff with others? I heard Colonia Maravilla was Capitol Park's 1st generation, & now there is LLLS. Los Latin LordS or locos, are supposedly related to CPLS. I think Varrio 500 is ESG.

[MMRbkaRudog]

Whats happenin, homies?
I've been reading most of this gigantic thread and thought I would chime in, I'm 36yrs old now, so I guess you can call me a Veterano or OG, or whatever.
I'm put in my work and happily retired.
I grew up in Sunnyvale and can remember how banging was back in the 80's and 90's. This thread has been mostly about San Jo but there there quite a few other hoods in other towns as well.
Biggest Sunnyvale gang which went back to the late 70's was V.V.S (Varrio Via Sol)
Our clicka was V.G.F st Varrio Grande Fir St. East Side S-Vale
Back in the day the main rivals of S-Vale was Mountain View (V.M.V) and WS Santa Clara (V.T.V Varrio TecatosVille) Alviso (BALS) Barrio Alviso Locos
Even Milpitas had a lil click called "Sunny Hills", I think.
But city on city and Hood on hood beef died down in the early 90's and a lot of the younger homies banned together against the Sureno incursion.

We used to go all over though, we kicked it in San Jo, Salas, Modesto, Mountain View, Santa Clara, we had homies all over and there weren't really
any Surenos, not even the "paisa" kind. The only ones we had heard about was Poco Way and that was it.
The hoods I remember in San Jo were: Lomas, CPL, East Side Hoods, BMLs, Palmas, Horseshoe, NSP (North Side Posse), Varrion Brown Pride, VSJ and to go back even farther there used to be the East Side Boys and San Jose Boys which were gangs of mixed homies, Chicano, Filipinos, etc.

Heres a piece of History for you, a long time ago I chillen with a homie from CPL and their original name was Latin Lords in the 70's.
Conversely, the Sunnyvale Gang that would become V.V.S was called EPPA. The leader of V.V.S , a homie named "Chuco" RIP, later became
president fo the South Bay chapter of the Dukes Car Club.
HWD in Hayward and FMT from Fremont were also some big varrios.
Gilas at one time I think was called Varrio 500 or something like that because they were 500 deep in Gilroy.

Why do you think so many eNe's hated Alviso? Did they always start stuff with others? I heard Colonia Maravilla was Capitol Park's 1st generation, & now there is LLLS. Los Latin LordS or locos, are supposedly related to CPLS. I think Varrio 500 is ESG.

[pistolslanga]

i knew a guy from SSL who got shot in a gas station .. oakland is on some crazy shit right now ..

oaklands always been like that, since the 70s ha

[pistolslanga]

ey but kollmar, i been at school for a minute, i seen a grip of nortenos acutuallly ha, whats your word, i seen some nortenos today deep by the C buildin area by the clocktower/field

[KollmarVago408]

theres SSL in 53rd Street ... i think ?

[KollmarVago408]

yeah theres alot of Nortenos in INDY .. I kick it By The Library and after school we always leave from the back ... its to dangerous to walk home from the front where theres that stop bus .. some dude got shot there a long time ago plus the samoas be kickin it there hella deep..

[MMRbkaRudog]

Brown Pride was a quasi Norteno click, The used to wear brown panos but kicked it with nortenos. Definitely not Surenos.
Hell, way back in the day, homies used to wear panos of all colors. Some neighborhoods even had their own color. You would see old San Jo cholo with blue pendletons and old sureno cholos wearing red pendletons, this was in the 70's. Way before the Eme/NF war trickled down onto the Calles.
From what I understand NSP turned into VSJ, I guess some of the homies didn't like the "posse" name since it sound too hip hop or black, isn't that ironic with the way youngsters are nowadays. I think East Side Hoods changed name to something else as well.

Are you talking about Brown Pride Homies? If that's the Posse I'm thinking of, then they're still around & definately have members still into rap. I think ESH broke up.

[KollmarVago408]

TWO SURENOS FROM POCO WAY GOT KILLED ON TUEDAY IN THEIIR OWN VARRIO ... EVERYBODY SAYS IT WAS PALMAS BUT WHO KNOWS ....

[KollmarVago408]

EYY J WS CLANTONE STILL HAS A HOLD ON HORSESHOE PARK FROM WHAT IVE HEARD

[pistolslanga]

yeah theres alot of Nortenos in INDY .. I kick it By The Library and after school we always leave from the back ... its to dangerous to walk home from the front where theres that stop bus .. some dude got shot there a long time ago plus the samoas be kickin it there hella deep..

haha, i was up there earlier and hella security stopped and were tryna get nortenos out the lunch area n shit by the field, they were walkin out n i was just walkin right in the middle of their pack smoking a blunt i was tryna keep down haha, fools looked at me for a second and looked away, you mighta seen me arounds school? was wearin L.A. hat blue plaid blue jeans and white/blue pumas, but ha, just wanted to let you know tho, because that shit was akward they werent hittin me up, n you guys aint tryna just confront em?


shit just be me but fukk enemies, confront em even if they deep, fukk em.

but ay, imma have a blunt or two on monday, hit me up

[KollmarVago408]

THATS WHAT NORTENOS DO , HIT YOU UP WHEN THEIR LIKE 5 DEEP BUT WHEN THEIR BY THEM SELFS THEY JUST MUGG YOU AND WHEN U LOOK AT THEM THEY LOOK AWAY HAHA .... ILL SEE YOU AROUND ...

[MMRbkaRudog]

Brown Pride was a quasi Norteno click, The used to wear brown panos but kicked it with nortenos. Definitely not Surenos.
Hell, way back in the day, homies used to wear panos of all colors. Some neighborhoods even had their own color. You would see old San Jo cholo with blue pendletons and old sureno cholos wearing red pendletons, this was in the 70's. Way before the Eme/NF war trickled down onto the Calles.
From what I understand NSP turned into VSJ, I guess some of the homies didn't like the "posse" name since it sound too hip hop or black, isn't that ironic with the way youngsters are nowadays. I think East Side Hoods changed name to something else as well.

Hell, way back in the day, homies used to wear panos of all colors. Some neighborhoods even had their own color. You would see old San Jo cholo with blue pendletons and old sureno cholos wearing red pendletons, this was in the 70's. Way before the Eme/NF war trickled down onto the Calles.

Yeah. you're a little bit older then me but didnt cholos wear a lot more of the neutral colors up into the early 90's.

If I'm not mistaken, some members of Lords and JSP Orginials, graffiti crews and NSP established VSJ around 1990.

I knew an NSSJ Filipino dude who moved to Sunnyvale and got into Outlaw Brothers, do you anything about was happen with them or CWA?

East Side Hoods has been gone for sometime from what has been said.

JSP started in the 1980's, & I think Lords to. VSJ I think did start in the 1990's. VSJ was in NS 1st? They were in ES a while back. I still see CWA wearing their colors.

[pistolslanga]

THATS WHAT NORTENOS DO , HIT YOU UP WHEN THEIR LIKE 5 DEEP BUT WHEN THEIR BY THEM SELFS THEY JUST MUGG YOU AND WHEN U LOOK AT THEM THEY LOOK AWAY HAHA .... ILL SEE YOU AROUND ...

ha, im always wearin a LA hat, even though alll these weenie ass punk b1tch teachers enforce the no hat bs like its some serious shit, that principal fat white b1tch with whiskers gave me a referal on my 1st day of school becuase i was wearin a hat haaha

[KollmarVago408]

ALL THAT SHIT ABOUT NOT WEARING RED OR BLUE ISNT GONNA STOP THE GANG BANGING ...I JUST WEAR SOME GRAY LEVIS AND MY WHITE CORTEZ ... GOT MY ASS JUMPED AT THE SEARS IN THE EASTRIDGE MALL BUT IM STILL HERE ...LOL ..

[pistolslanga]

ALL THAT SHIT ABOUT NOT WEARING RED OR BLUE ISNT GONNA STOP THE GANG BANGING ...I JUST WEAR SOME GRAY LEVIS AND MY WHITE CORTEZ ... GOT MY ASS JUMPED AT THE SEARS IN THE EASTRIDGE MALL BUT IM STILL HERE ...LOL ..

yeah IHS gots stupid ass rules

[MMRbkaRudog]

as for that comment about me lying and trying to pump up surenos reputation in san jo ... KVT is a legit varrio and your welcome to come by anyday ....
why are surenos using Shark Attire ? VST Has been around since the 70's , VLT . SSP have also been around for a long time .. some nortenos take what ever they hear and believe it ... as far as clantone the've been around since 1993 ......

How is it a legit varrio? Who started it, creeper? Wouldn't doubt it was started by fakes, like vst was.

[MMRbkaRudog]

Looks like he has ESSJ on his chin, but he's supposed to be from WSSJ.

[KollmarVago408]

KVT IS DEEP WE GOT HOMIES LOCKED UP FOR PUTTIN NORTENO SIX FEET DEEP .. MY HOMIE CHOKO LOCKED UP RIGHT NOW MY HOMIE RAMMY LOCKED UP RIGHT NOW .. MY HOMIE GLOOMY , SPANKY , BIRDY , MUGSY , CRAWLER , RAYA , MONSTER , KATO , DESTRO , D-ROY , PACO , THE HOMIE RINKLE , LIL GUERO , DANNY , BLACKY , GHOST , SMARTY , DEXTER , RATON , DUCKEY , CYCO AND A FEW OTHER I FORGOT TO MENTION ..