THE INFAMOUS MM MEMBER POPEYE BARRON

[mayugastank]

Mexican drug cartel gunman arrested for attempted murder

New York, January 29, 2008—The Committee to Protect Journalists urges Mexican authorities to fully investigate the alleged involvement of Alfredo Araujo Avila, a top hit man for the Arellano Félix drug cartel, in the shooting of editor J. Jesús Blancornelas a decade ago. Araujo was arrested Saturday in Tijuana by the Mexican military, according to international news reports.

As part of President Felipe Calderón’s administration’s crackdown on drug trafficking, soldiers stormed a house in Tijuana and arrested Araujo after an anonymous tip-off, said Reuters. Mexican law enforcement officials have described Araujo as one of the top assassins of the powerful Arellano Félix drug cartel. According to The New York Times, he is a U.S. citizen.



Araujo, known as “Popeye,” is among the suspects in the murder of Roman Catholic Cardinal Juan Posadas Ocampo, shot on May 24, 1993, while sitting in his car at Guadalajara airport, The Associated Press reported. Mexican authorities have also named Araujo as a suspect in the 1997 murder attempt against Blancornelas, founder and editor of the weekly Tijuana-based magazine Zeta. Blancornelas’ bodyguard, Luis Valero, was killed in the attack, and Blancornelas was gravely wounded.

“We are encouraged by the prospect of justice in the assassination attempt against
Zeta’s founder,” said CPJ Executive Director Joel Simon. “We urge Mexican authorities to ensure that Araujo’s involvement in the shooting against Blancornelas is fully investigated. Violence against journalists will never cease until authorities prove they will go after the perpetrators.”

The shooting attack against Blancornelas was prompted by an investigative piece in Zeta describing how the Arellano Félix cartel recruited gunmen from violent street gangs in San Diego’s Barrio Logan neighborhood. The leader of the Barrio Logan assassins was a veteran gangster named David Barron Corona, who earned the Arellano Félix family’s loyalty by saving two of the brothers from an ambush. Blancornelas published an article identifying Barron Corona as one of the top cartel enforcers.

A few weeks later, Barron Corona and a team of assassins ambushed Blancornelas while he was on his way to work. The assassination attempt failed only because Barron Corona was killed by one of his own gunmen when a bullet ricocheted and struck him in the eye.

Blancornelas died of natural causes in November 2006.

Created in 1980, Zeta is one of the only publications to regularly run investigations on organized crime, drug trafficking, and corruption in Mexico’s northern states, where self-censorship is rampant. The cost of Zeta’s coverage of crime along the U.S.-Mexico border has been high: Héctor Félix Miranda, co-founder of the magazine, was assassinated in 1988, and co-editor Francisco Ortiz Franco was murdered in 2004. Adela Navarro Bello, the weekly’s general director, was given an International Press Freedom Award by CPJ in 2007.


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[mayugastank]

POPEYE BARRON WAS A MEMBER OF THE EME, HE WORKED UNDER THE TUTELAGE OF HUERO LEON SHERM,AND BAT MARQUEZ --2 EME HEAVYWEIGHTS. BAT ACTING AS POPEYES CAPTAIN CONTROLLED THE ENTIRE SHIPPING OPERATION OF MARIJUANA AND COCAINE IN TIJUANA FOR THE ARELLANO -FELIX CARTEL. THE MM HAS COME A LONG WAY FROM A SIMPLE PRISON GANG.

[MadIP]

THOSE DUDES WERE DEEP, AINT NO BLOOD OR CRIP EVER DONE WORK FOR A CARTEL, THEY JUST SLANG ROCKS

[cliffard]

AINT NO BLOOD OR CRIP EVER DONE WORK FOR A CARTEL

what about freeway rick?

[Richboy17]

Waterhead Bo a crip at age 25 was moving thousands of kilos of cocaine with top Colombian traffickers in the 80's. He was the one who but Rayful Edmonds supposbly biggest drug dealer on the East Coast on the map. What about Charles Cosby and Griselda Blanca or Ike Atkinson. There are many more.

[mayugastank]

Waterhead Bo a crip at age 25 was moving thousands of kilos of cocaine with top Colombian traffickers in the 80's. He was the one who but Rayful Edmonds supposbly biggest drug dealer on the East Coast on the map. What about Charles Cosby and Griselda Blanca or Ike Atkinson. There are many more.

DAM YOU NAME A FEW SMART NIGGERS IN TEH DRUG TRADE OUT THE 3+ MILLION DRUG RELATED CRIMINAL BLACKS IN THE PRISON POPULATION. NICKEL BAG AND 20 ROCKS FOR SALE AT EVERY STREET CORNER ,CATCHING LIFE SENTEN CES FOR SHOOTING SOMEONE OVER A DIME BAG!! STEALING RAIDERS COATS AND NEW NIKES AND GETTING A 1000 YEARS FOR IT IN THE PEN. GOD DAM SHAME THAT REAL INTELLIGENT CRIMINALS IN TEH BLACK COMMUNITY ARE SO RARE BECAUSE WITH THEIR VICIOUSNESS THE CRIPS AND BLOODS COULD CONTROL EVERYTHING,TOO BAD THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO ORGANIZE, ARE TOO SELFISH TO EVER COMMIT TO AN IDEA OR PLAN AND HAVE NO LOYALTY TO A VISON, ARE LACKING INTELLIGENCE, IF NIGGERS IN AFRICA THE MOST FURTILE LAND IN THE WORLD ARE STARVING TO DEATH RIGHT UNDER A LAND WERE YOU CAN DROP A SUNFLOWER SEED ,NOT WATER IT,WALK AWAY AND COME BACK A FEW MONTHS LATER TO A FOREST OF SUNFLOWER PLANTS IT SHOWS YOU THAT THE AFRICAN PEOPLE IN GENERAL ARE UNINTELLIGENT.

[cliffard]

not like all mexicans then, youre loyal, intelligent, committed to a cause, unselfish etc, never commit BS petty crime in any shape or form.
what a load of fuckin nonsense. all races have more petty criminals than high rollers, economics dictate this. obviously hispanics are gonna have better links to the drug market in LATIN america (the clue is in the name) than afro-americans. africa the most fertile land on the planet, what the sahel/sahara region which is probably the driest region on the planet? behave yourself.
i read your posts, you obviously read a lot and check out a lot of different sources. i cant believe that you go for the simplistic BS that you wrote in that last post, bang your head off the nearest hard surface and try again.

[Azure9920]

Waterhead Bo a crip at age 25 was moving thousands of kilos of cocaine with top Colombian traffickers in the 80's. He was the one who but Rayful Edmonds supposbly biggest drug dealer on the East Coast on the map. What about Charles Cosby and Griselda Blanca or Ike Atkinson. There are many more.

DAM YOU NAME A FEW SMART NIGGERS IN TEH DRUG TRADE OUT THE 3+ MILLION DRUG RELATED CRIMINAL BLACKS IN THE PRISON POPULATION. NICKEL BAG AND 20 ROCKS FOR SALE AT EVERY STREET CORNER ,CATCHING LIFE SENTEN CES FOR SHOOTING SOMEONE OVER A DIME BAG!! STEALING RAIDERS COATS AND NEW NIKES AND GETTING A 1000 YEARS FOR IT IN THE PEN. GOD DAM SHAME THAT REAL INTELLIGENT CRIMINALS IN TEH BLACK COMMUNITY ARE SO RARE BECAUSE WITH THEIR VICIOUSNESS THE CRIPS AND BLOODS COULD CONTROL EVERYTHING,TOO BAD THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO ORGANIZE, ARE TOO SELFISH TO EVER COMMIT TO AN IDEA OR PLAN AND HAVE NO LOYALTY TO A VISON, ARE LACKING INTELLIGENCE, IF NIGGERS IN AFRICA THE MOST FURTILE LAND IN THE WORLD ARE STARVING TO DEATH RIGHT UNDER A LAND WERE YOU CAN DROP A SUNFLOWER SEED ,NOT WATER IT,WALK AWAY AND COME BACK A FEW MONTHS LATER TO A FOREST OF SUNFLOWER PLANTS IT SHOWS YOU THAT THE AFRICAN PEOPLE IN GENERAL ARE UNINTELLIGENT.

You have honestly no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Africa, lol. I suggest you take a geography class, just for starters.

[mayugastank]

Popeye the sailor man (coot coot), I said popeye the sailor man! Latinos are just as lazy and unsophisticated as Blacks mayugastank. The only difference is that the Latinos have source for cocaine and heroin while the Blacks [most of them] have to rely on you guys.

REALLY, YOUR THE ONE WHO PAINTS ALBANIANS AS ORGANIZED CRIME GROUPS WHEN THEY HAVE NO COHESSIVENESS, NO STRUCTURE AND ARE LIL MORE THEN GANGS OF 20 TO 30- PEOPLE WHO WITH ONE BLOW FROM LAW ENFORCEMNET ARE FINISHED, THEY HAVE NO WAY TO SELF REPLICATE -AND DON T FOLLOW THE IDEAS OF OMERTA, FAMILY STRUCTURE AND ORGANIZATION. MEXICANS ON THE OTHER HAND DO. THEIR ARE 2 REASONS FOR TEH DRUG WAR IN MEXICO NOW. CHAPO GUZMAN AND ARELLANO FELIX-SINALOA CARTEL GANG WAR, THE LATTER BEING ALLIED WITH THEIR AMERICAN COUNTERPARTS THE EME. THE ARELLANO -FELIX ARE PRETTY MUCH FINISHED . AND TO TELL TEH TRUTH THEY ARENT REALLY AN ORGANIZATION WITH A CODE. BLOOD OATH AND REAL DEFINED STRUCTURE. THEIR RUTHLESSNESS AND BUSINESS ACUMEN CAME FROM AMERICAS OWN (EME), WHO IN TURN TOOK THEIR CUE FROM THE PIONEERING ITALIANS. ALOT FO YOU GUYS DONT EVEN STUDY WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT . CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS AND GOVERMENTS IN RUSSIA -ALBANIA AND MEXICO TO SOME DEGREE ARE JUST A INTERMINGLING OF GOVERMENT AND MILITARY CORRUPTION -THEIR IS NO LOYALTY, TO A SET STANDARD OF BEHAVIOR, I.E. NO SNITCHING, VENGANCE FOR THE DEATH OF A BROTHER , KEEPING FAMILIES AWAY FROM RETRIBUTION. GROUPS LIKE FARC IN COLUMBIA ACTUALLY WORK IN COLLUSION WITH GOVERMENT PRINCIPLES . MANY OF THE RUSSIAN -ALBANIAN CRIMINAL GROUPS HAVE SOME TYPE OF POLITICAL ASPIRATION , ISLAM OR SOME SHIT. HOW CAN YOU CONSIDER THEM CRIME GROUPS WHEN THEY DONT HAVE AN OATH TO A SET DECORUM? WILL THE RUDAJ FAMILY BE KNOWN IN 20 YEARS ? COSA NOSTRA HAS BEEN BOMBARDED ON ALL FRONTS -IN ITALY AND AMERICA BECAUSE OF THEIR STRENGTH, ORGANIZATION AND CONTINUING LOYALTY TO AN IDEA. ALTHOUGH YOU SAID IN ANOTHER FORUM THAT ITALIANS ARE RATS YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR HAVE BEEN THOUSANDS OF MAFIOSO -WHO DID NOT SNITCH. ANYONE FACING A LIFE SENTENCE WILL PRESUMBLY THINK ABOUT SNITCHING , ITALIANS HAVE BEEN HIT HARDER THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY. AND THEY ARE STILL HERE. ITS NOT A GROUP SO MUCH AS AN IDEA -A CONVICTION, A BELIEF -MUCH AS A RELIGIOUS FERVOR. THE EME INSPIRED THE SAME RELIGIOUS FERVOR IN ITS MEMBERS -AND THEY HAVE KILLED TO ENFORCE THESE BELIEFS OF HONOR . WHAT IS ALBANIAN CULTURE ANYWAY? NAME ONE SELF RECUPERATING ALBANIAN CRIME GROUP . PLEASE DONT TELL ME ABOUT ALEX RUDAJ, BECAUSE THEIR IS NO RUDAJ CARTEL OR ORGANIZATION TODAY. THEIR CONTINUES TO BE A NUESTRA FAMILIA ,EME, AND ITALIAN COSA NOSTRA . AND THEIR WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN THE CASE OF THE LATTER 2 , BECAUSE OF OUR BEING SO CLOSE TO THE UNITED STATES . IN 50 YEARS THEIR PROBABLY WONT BE A COSA NOSTRA IN THE USA NOT THRU ANY FAULT OF THEIR OWN BUT SIMPLY BECAUSE THEIR ARENT HARDLY ANY FULL BLOODED ITALIANS LEFT IN THIS COUNRTY. IT JUST SEEMS POINTLESS TO ME TO EVEN ARGUE MY POINT WHEN YOU DONT EVEN -REGARD MY ARGUEENT THAT TO BE AN ORGANIZED 'CRIME GROUP' YOU MUST HAVE AN OATH , BE SELF RECUPERATING ,HAVE A STRUCTURE AND BE FREE FROM POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS THAT CORRUPT THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR. IS THEIR HONOR IN RATTING ON A RIVALS DRUG SHIPMENTS SO IT CAN GET BUSTED BY COPS YOU PAY -OFF. THIS IS THE SET DECORUM IN COLUMBIA. WHY???? BECAUSE THEIR IS NO CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION LIKE AMERICAS (EME) OR COSA NOSTRA, WITH A SET STANDARD OF BEHAVIOUR.

[mayugastank]

not like all mexicans then, youre loyal, intelligent, committed to a cause, unselfish etc, never commit BS petty crime in any shape or form.
what a load of fuckin nonsense. all races have more petty criminals than high rollers, economics dictate this. obviously hispanics are gonna have better links to the drug market in LATIN america (the clue is in the name) than afro-americans. africa the most fertile land on the planet, what the sahel/sahara region which is probably the driest region on the planet? behave yourself.
i read your posts, you obviously read a lot and check out a lot of different sources. i cant believe that you go for the simplistic BS that you wrote in that last post, bang your head off the nearest hard surface and try again.

I NEVER SAID SUCH -I WILL TELL YOU THOUGH THAT IT IS MY BELIEF THAT BLACKS DONT HAVE THE VISION OR COMMITTMENT TO CREATE ORGANIZED CRIMINAL ENTERPRISES. I HOPE SINCE MY LAST STATEMENT WAS SO SEETHROUGH WITH RACISM YOU WONT VIEW MY BELIEF THRU EYES OF BIAS, AND MY STATEMENTS AS MERELY THOSE OF AN IGNORANT BIGOT. I WILL TAKE THE EXAMPLE OF THE CRIPS AND BLOODS. NUMBERING IN THE THOUSANDS, THEIR IS NO STRUCTURE TO THEM -CRIPS KILL CRIPS AND BLOODS KILL BLOODS, ITS PRETTY MUCH EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF. ONCE IN PRISON -THEY DROP THEIR GANGBANGING AND UNITE UNDER TEH UMBRELLA OF BEING BLACK -YET DESPITE THIS GROUPS LIKE THE BGF -HAVENT METAMORPHYSED INTO ORGANIZED CRIMINAL CONSPIRACIES. TEH EXAMPLE AS BLACKS BEING TO STRONG WILLED TO EVER ACCEPT ANOTHER MAN TELLING HIM WHAT TO DO HAS BEEN USED , I GUESS THAT HAS WHATS KEPT THE AFRICAN NATION IN A CONSTANT STATE OF WAR. GOVERMENTS AND MAFIAS ARE SIMILIAR IN THAT MEN FROM DIFFERENT TRIBES,FAMILIES ,BACKGROUNDS COME TOGETHER WITH AN IDEA TO UNIFY -SOLIDIFY,S TOP LAWLESSNESS( KILLING GANG BOSSES,SNITCHING AND BASICALLY DROPPING THE INDIVIDUALITY OF MAN TO THE COHESSIVENESS OF A GROUP). UNITY OF PUROPOSE IS WHAT MAKES ORGANIZATIONS STRONG, WHETHER IT BE THE HOME DEPOT CORNERING THE MARKET ON HOME IMPROVEMNET SALES OR THE MAJOR OIL COMPANIES FIXING THEIR PRICES TO NEVER HAVE MORE THAN A FEW CENTS DIFEFRENCE BETWEEN TEH COMPETING GAS STATIONS=>OPEC. I BELIEVE IT TAKES A CERTAIN CULTURAL ELEMENT OF FAMILY UNITY AND GROUP THINK TO BE ABLE TO CREATE SUBSTANTIAL AND POWERFUL CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS. THE ARUGMENT HAS BEEN MADE BY BLACKS THAT BLACKS DONT STICK TOGETHER-AND IT HAS SHOWN THRU WITH GROUPS LIKE THE CRIPS AND BLOODS .MINIATURE FORMS OF GOVERMENT, TO DEVELOP AND CHANGE .

[mayugastank]

REALLY, YOUR THE ONE WHO PAINTS ALBANIANS AS ORGANIZED CRIME GROUPS WHEN THEY HAVE NO COHESSIVENESS, NO STRUCTURE AND ARE LIL MORE THEN GANGS OF 20 TO 30- PEOPLE WHO WITH ONE BLOW FROM LAW ENFORCEMNET ARE FINISHED, THEY HAVE NO WAY TO SELF REPLICATE -AND DON T FOLLOW THE IDEAS OF OMERTA, FAMILY STRUCTURE AND ORGANIZATION. MEXICANS ON THE OTHER HAND DO. THEIR ARE 2 REASONS FOR TEH DRUG WAR IN MEXICO NOW. CHAPO GUZMAN AND ARELLANO FELIX-SINALOA CARTEL GANG WAR, THE LATTER BEING ALLIED WITH THEIR AMERICAN COUNTERPARTS THE EME. THE ARELLANO -FELIX ARE PRETTY MUCH FINISHED . AND TO TELL TEH TRUTH THEY ARENT REALLY AN ORGANIZATION WITH A CODE. BLOOD OATH AND REAL DEFINED STRUCTURE. THEIR RUTHLESSNESS AND BUSINESS ACUMEN CAME FROM AMERICAS OWN (EME), WHO IN TURN TOOK THEIR CUE FROM THE PIONEERING ITALIANS. ALOT FO YOU GUYS DONT EVEN STUDY WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT . CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS AND GOVERMENTS IN RUSSIA -ALBANIA AND MEXICO TO SOME DEGREE ARE JUST A INTERMINGLING OF GOVERMENT AND MILITARY CORRUPTION -THEIR IS NO LOYALTY, TO A SET STANDARD OF BEHAVIOR, I.E. NO SNITCHING, VENGANCE FOR THE DEATH OF A BROTHER , KEEPING FAMILIES AWAY FROM RETRIBUTION. GROUPS LIKE FARC IN COLUMBIA ACTUALLY WORK IN COLLUSION WITH GOVERMENT PRINCIPLES . MANY OF THE RUSSIAN -ALBANIAN CRIMINAL GROUPS HAVE SOME TYPE OF POLITICAL ASPIRATION , ISLAM OR SOME SHIT. HOW CAN YOU CONSIDER THEM CRIME GROUPS WHEN THEY DONT HAVE AN OATH TO A SET DECORUM? WILL THE RUDAJ FAMILY BE KNOWN IN 20 YEARS ? COSA NOSTRA HAS BEEN BOMBARDED ON ALL FRONTS -IN ITALY AND AMERICA BECAUSE OF THEIR STRENGTH, ORGANIZATION AND CONTINUING LOYALTY TO AN IDEA. ALTHOUGH YOU SAID IN ANOTHER FORUM THAT ITALIANS ARE RATS YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR HAVE BEEN THOUSANDS OF MAFIOSO -WHO DID NOT SNITCH. ANYONE FACING A LIFE SENTENCE WILL PRESUMBLY THINK ABOUT SNITCHING , ITALIANS HAVE BEEN HIT HARDER THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY. AND THEY ARE STILL HERE. ITS NOT A GROUP SO MUCH AS AN IDEA -A CONVICTION, A BELIEF -MUCH AS A RELIGIOUS FERVOR. THE EME INSPIRED THE SAME RELIGIOUS FERVOR IN ITS MEMBERS -AND THEY HAVE KILLED TO ENFORCE THESE BELIEFS OF HONOR . WHAT IS ALBANIAN CULTURE ANYWAY? NAME ONE SELF RECUPERATING ALBANIAN CRIME GROUP . PLEASE DONT TELL ME ABOUT ALEX RUDAJ, BECAUSE THEIR IS NO RUDAJ CARTEL OR ORGANIZATION TODAY. THEIR CONTINUES TO BE A NUESTRA FAMILIA ,EME, AND ITALIAN COSA NOSTRA . AND THEIR WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN THE CASE OF THE LATTER 2 , BECAUSE OF OUR BEING SO CLOSE TO THE UNITED STATES . IN 50 YEARS THEIR PROBABLY WONT BE A COSA NOSTRA IN THE USA NOT THRU ANY FAULT OF THEIR OWN BUT SIMPLY BECAUSE THEIR ARENT HARDLY ANY FULL BLOODED ITALIANS LEFT IN THIS COUNRTY. IT JUST SEEMS POINTLESS TO ME TO EVEN ARGUE MY POINT WHEN YOU DONT EVEN -REGARD MY ARGUEENT THAT TO BE AN ORGANIZED 'CRIME GROUP' YOU MUST HAVE AN OATH , BE SELF RECUPERATING ,HAVE A STRUCTURE AND BE FREE FROM POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS THAT CORRUPT THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR. IS THEIR HONOR IN RATTING ON A RIVALS DRUG SHIPMENTS SO IT CAN GET BUSTED BY COPS YOU PAY -OFF. THIS IS THE SET DECORUM IN COLUMBIA. WHY???? BECAUSE THEIR IS NO CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION LIKE AMERICAS (EME) OR COSA NOSTRA, WITH A SET STANDARD OF BEHAVIOUR.

I am not going to tell you about Alex Rudaj. But there is a huge difference between the Albanian American mafia and the Albanian mafia everywhere else in the world except for Austalia [there its the same as America].

In America, the Albanian mafia is not structured the way it is in Europe for example. In Europe, the entire Albanian mafia is linked to the big base in the Albania-Kosova-Western Macedonia triangle. The bosses back home set up heroin networks everywhere. These networks dont consist of 20-30 members like Rudaj. They contain 100 members each and there are hundreds of these groups spread through out Europe, the middle east and south America.

The typical structure of the Albanian Mafia is hierarchical. Concerning "loyalty", "honor" and clan traditions, (blood relations and marriage being very important) most of the Albanian networks seem to be "old-fashioned" and comparable to the Italian Mafia networks of thirty or forty years ago. Infiltration into these groups is thus very difficult. Heroin networks are usually made up of groups of fewer than 100 members, constituting an extended family residing all along the Balkan route from Eastern Turkey to Western Europe. The Northern Albanian Mafia which runs the drug wholesale business is also known by the name of "The Fifteen Families."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ ... tschke.htm



Its funny how you think the Mexicans have more honor and loyalty then the Albanians. The Albanian mafia is known to be incomparably violent and air tight when it comes to infiltration. The Mexicans are only the significant gangsters they are in America because they amount to like 10% of the population. Not because you guys have honor. If the Albanians numbered even 2% of America, they would surpass everyone. But they dont, they are like 0.005%. As for the snitching and FARC thing you talked about. Albanians dont have to set that code like your others. Our national code the Kanun already stressed those coades among many other codes of conduct through out life. You are very ignorant like virtually all people about who Albanian people are.

ALBANIAN CRIMINAL GROUPS HAVE SOME TYPE OF POLITICAL ASPIRATION , ISLAM OR SOME SHIT.

If you knew anything about Albanian, you would know that most Albanians are irreligious. I'm Catholic myself but I could care less about the bible or anything. Its all BS to me. The only church I go to is the one in Lac, Albania and only because its a special type of church with a special story. Albanians believe in their nationality. Ask any Albanian in the world, what matters more, religion or your nationality and they will laugh at you before saying fcuk you and religion.

As for aspiration. The Mexicans and Italians have aspiration to be criminals because they arent nationalists or fanatics. They have nothing going on when it comes to self identity. This is our aspiration btich. Next time find out what your talking about.








This is me right here.

And heres my friend

And my other friend who had his done

I SAID RELIGIOUS OR POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS ,FROM SEVERAL LINKS YOU PROVIDED IT SAYS THAT THE ALBANIAN CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS HAVE DIRECT LINKS TO POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS,THAT DRUG PROCEEDS WERE DONATED TO THE CAUSE. IT ALSO MENTIONS THE ALBANIANS AS DRUG CORRIEURS FOR MAJOR ITALIAN MAFIAS. YOU CAN NOT BE A CRIMINAL GROUP AND HAVE ASPIRATIONS THAT ARE POLITICAL. SUCH AS FARC IN COLUMBIA. WHICH I WOULD SAY AMOUNT TO PRETTY MUCH EVERY ALBANIAN CRIME GROUP --ALOT OF THEIR SIIMILIARITIES ARE EVIDENT . NOW TO MAKE MY ARGUMENT, WOULD TEH ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES OF THE IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY DURING ITS BATTLE FOR IRELAND MAKE THEM A CRIME GROUP?? THE IRA WAS THE MODEL FOR REPLICATING A NATIONAL FIGHT FOR RECOGNITION BY EVERY MODERN TERRORRIST GROUP . THEIR OATH AND BELIEFS WERE NEVER CRIMINAL IN NATURE. SIMPLY ONE OF UNIFYING IRELAND AND GOVERNING THEIR OWN AFFAIRS. THE IRA ARE NOW A RECOGNIZED VOICE IN IRISH AFFAIRS , THUS IT IS TO SAY THAT ALTHOUGH CRIMINAL ACTS WERE COMMITTED THEIR ULTIMATE GOAL WAS A LEGITIMATE RECOGNIZING OF THEIR CONCERNS AND AMBITIONS. POLITICAL NOT CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND? EVERY NATION AT ONE TIME HAS HAD POLITICAL REVOLUTIONS AND CHANGING OF THE GUARD. ALTHOUGH THEY MAY HAVE COME TO PROCURE ARMS THROUGH ILLEGAL VENUE --THEIR BUSINESS WAS POLITICAL NOT CRIMINAL. GROUPS LIKE THE EME,COSA NOSTRA, NF, DONT HAVE POLITICAL AMBITIONS -THEIR GOAL IS THE FURTHERANCE OF A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION THAT IS UNPOLITICAL!! TEHY TAKE AN OATH TO SERVE SUCH GROUP -AND ARE BOND BY THIS BLOOD OATH. THE CASE YOU MAKE FOR ALBANIAN CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS CAN BE MADE SURELY MORE EASIER FOR THE REBEL COLUBIAN GROUP FARC WHO HOLD WAY MORE POWER THEN ANY ALBANIAN CRIME GROUPS -OR MAYBE YOU DENY THIS OBVIOUS FACT!!! FARC SEEKS TO CONTROL ASPECTS OF THE COLUMBIAN GOVERMENT AND WANT LEGITIMATE RECOGNITION OF THEIR DEMANDS BY THE REST OF THE WORLD. THEY HAVE NO QUALMS ON KILLING IN FURTHERING THIS BELIEF, BUT AGAIN THEIR IS NO BLOOD OATH TO A WAY OF LIFE AND IN FACT THEY ROUTINELY HIJACK DRUG SHIPMENTS THAT DONT CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR POLITICAL BELIEFS,AND INFORM ON THEIR RIVALS REGULARLY SO AS TO REMAIN TOP DAWGS -----CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS LIKE COSA NOSTRA DONT ASPIRE TO BE RECOGNIZED-OR LEGITIMIZED FOR THEIR CRIMINAL ACTS IN FACT THEY OPERATE UNDER CLOUDS OF SECRECY ---NAME ONE OTHER GROUP BESIDES THE ONES I LISTED THAT ARE SUCH

[mayugastank]

No I dont not know that FARC is more powerful then any Albanian group. FARC can be compared to the KLA [UCK] which is [was] Europes biggest heroin machine. They were primarily responsible for the Albanian take over of Albanian heroin. While the FARC mainly sells cocaine at production and wholesale level. The KLA obtains its heroin at almost zero prices and have the resources through out Europe to reach retail value on its heroin. One such example would be Princ Dobroshi. His organization was planted through out the northern Balkan route. Where he sold the heroin in many places from Bulgaria to Sweden. The KLA has resources with the man who controls the poppie fields in Afghanistan, Usama Bin Laden. The guy even attended a meeting between Albanian, Algerians and others. You have no idea what the KLA's resources are. You are just ignorantly running your mouth now.

Secondly, they are still a criminal organization. It doesnt matter what their aspirations are. Albanians are very proud people as you can see. The Albanian mafia is in favor in an uprising in the Albanian lands in the Balkans. They suceeded in Kosova and will do so in Macedonia. The conflicts only increase their scope and power. The Kosova war increased not only the activities of the Albanian mafia but of every mafia in the Balkans and Italy. Even the Ndrangheta was fueled by that war. So what will happen when another breaks out? Maybe the cocaine route will be changed this time

Thirdly, your being too picky about defining the word mafia. Okay so some Mexican prison gang have absorbed the Italian structure of the mafia. So what? What is your point in all of this? Albanians dont have that blood oath into a gang thing. It does not exist in AOC. So what? I am glad Albanians arent pledging allegiance to a criminal organization and are instead pledging loyalty to our own people and uprising. That is why I am so fascinated with the Albanian mafia in the first place.

AND THEIR IT IS THERE! FARC WOULD BE THE BIGGEST CRIMINAL GROUP PERIOD IN YOUR EYES THEY HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME BELIEFS AND ASPIRATIONS AS THE KLA -THEY SEEK A UNIFIED COLUMBIA THAT RECOGNIZES ITS INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.........ITS LIKE THE SAYING THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS -THE IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY SOLD DRUGS AND TRADED ARMS IN FURTHERANCE OF ITS STATED GOAL OF A FREE IRELAND . SHOULD YOU BE TAKING YOUR ARGUMENTS TO A POLITICAL DISCUSSION RATHER THEN A CRIMINAL ONE? UNLESS I AM MISTAKEN THE GOAL OF THE KLA ISNT A REVOLVING CRIMINAL STATE OF ALBANIA OR IS IT?? THATS WHY THE KLA ISNT A MAFIA. OR FARC ONE. THEY SEEK A UNIFIED COUNTRY THAT RECOGNIZES CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR AS BEING A DESTABILIZER OF NATURAL GOVERMENT. THE IRA-FARC -KLA , DONT WANT A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION. THEY SEEK FREEDOM FOR THEIR PEOPLE,,, YOUR TALKING POLITICS.DUDE!!!NOT O.C....................................THESE PEOPLE SEE CRIME AS A WAY OF FURTHERING POLITICAL GOALS --AND THEIR IS NO POLITICAL GOVERMENT I KNOW THAT ACTUALLY WANTS A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION RUNNING THINGS. PEOPLE LIKE THE KLA , IM SURE HAVE SYMPATHIZERS IN GOVERMENT AND DOCTORS -LAWYERS ,EVERYDAY FOLK WHO LOVE THEM AND AGREE WITH THEIR BEHAVIOUR TO FURTHER THE CAUSE OF YOUR PEOPLE. MY FRIEND WAS A NICARAGUAN, WHO ADMIRED THE CONTRAS FOR TAKING A STAND AGAINST THE SANDINISTAS. NEVERMIND THAT THE ARMS THEY BOUGHT WERE BOUGHT WITH COCAINE SMUGGLED INTO THE USA. WERE ARE THESE CONTRAS NOW? ERASED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH BUDDY...GONE! OR THE IRA?? LOL..........THEIR COPS IN IRELAND NOW ENFORCING THE LAW! FUCK YOU MAKE A STUPID ASS ARGUMENT ,,,TAKE YOUR DISCUSSION TO POLITICAL CHAT,

[cliffard]

I WILL TELL YOU THOUGH THAT IT IS MY BELIEF THAT BLACKS DONT HAVE THE VISION OR COMMITTMENT TO CREATE ORGANIZED CRIMINAL ENTERPRISES

ricky ross, waterhead bo, third world (43 gangster crip), jamaican yardie clicks, BMF, nicky barnes, rayful edmond, bumpy johnson etc etc...
i see what your saying about the BGF not providing an organised leadership for imprisoned crips and bloods in the way that la eMe (or even the NF) has for mexicans in the prison system, but then the AB, as deadly as they are havent formed an umbrella organisation for whites outside either.

TEH EXAMPLE AS BLACKS BEING TO STRONG WILLED TO EVER ACCEPT ANOTHER MAN TELLING HIM WHAT TO DO HAS BEEN USED , I GUESS THAT HAS WHATS KEPT THE AFRICAN NATION IN A CONSTANT STATE OF WAR.

africa is in a mess for a whole heap of reasons, just to name two big historical ones a great deal of wealth both in the form of goods and people has been extracted from africa for the benefit of other nations, colonial boundaries were imposed on africa that lumped different and antagonistic tribes together in the same nation state, they had no desire to advance each other.
but yes corruption is rife, its not limited to africa though.
out of interest are you from the big hispanic varrio in long beach?

[mayugastank]

I WILL TELL YOU THOUGH THAT IT IS MY BELIEF THAT BLACKS DONT HAVE THE VISION OR COMMITTMENT TO CREATE ORGANIZED CRIMINAL ENTERPRISES

ricky ross, waterhead bo, third world (43 gangster crip), jamaican yardie clicks, BMF, nicky barnes, rayful edmond, bumpy johnson etc etc...
i see what your saying about the BGF not providing an organised leadership for imprisoned crips and bloods in the way that la eMe (or even the NF) has for mexicans in the prison system, but then the AB, as deadly as they are havent formed an umbrella organisation for whites outside either.

TEH EXAMPLE AS BLACKS BEING TO STRONG WILLED TO EVER ACCEPT ANOTHER MAN TELLING HIM WHAT TO DO HAS BEEN USED , I GUESS THAT HAS WHATS KEPT THE AFRICAN NATION IN A CONSTANT STATE OF WAR.

africa is in a mess for a whole heap of reasons, just to name two big historical ones a great deal of wealth both in the form of goods and people has been extracted from africa for the benefit of other nations, colonial boundaries were imposed on africa that lumped different and antagonistic tribes together in the same nation state, they had no desire to advance each other.
but yes corruption is rife, its not limited to africa though.
out of interest are you from the big hispanic varrio in long beach?

YES I UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR HAVE DEFINETLY BEEN BLACKS WHO HAVE BEEN CATEGORIZED AS ORGANIZED CRIME--EVERY RACE HAS THEM - THE FOLLOWERS OF THE TALIBAN WOULD BE CONSIDERED ANOTHER ONE SINCE THEY ARE THE MAIN SOURCE OF HERIONE -BUT AT WHAT POINT DO WE STOP CONSIDERING ORGANIZED CRIMINALS ,ORGANIZED CRIME GROUPS?? PABLO ESCOBAR THE WORLDS MOST PROFILIC AND SUCCESSFUL GANGSTER IN TERMS OF $$$, HAD CREATED A QUASI -ORGANIZATION HE MODELED AFTER AMERICAS COSA NOSTRA, THE CARTELS FUNDING OF TRANQUILANDIA -THE BIGGEST DRUG BUST EVER, WAS ORGANIZED BY HIM TAKING THE MODEL OF AMERICAS ITALIAN MAFIA COMMISSSION. ANY TRACE OF HIS ORGANIZATION IS GONE -WHAT HE SOUGHT TO DO HAS FELL APART , AND COLUMBIA IS IN A STATE OF ONE UPMANSHIP ,WERE WHOEVER CAN WIPE OUT THE TOP GUY BECOMES THE NEXT BIG DOG. THAT ISNT LONG TERM STRATEGIC PLANNING . THE ITALIAN PEOPLE HAVE A UNIQUE CULTURE THAT HAD MAFIAS IN ITS HISTORY FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS -THAT IS WHY THEY ARE AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE STRONGEST ORGANIZING FORCE IN CRIME. ITS THEIR TRADITION AS MUCH AS SPAGHETTI AND MEATBALLS. THIS TRADITION IS MODELED ON SECRECY, FAMILIAL TIES , ORGANIZATION AND BELIEFS IN CODES OF OMERTA AND HONOR. AS MUCH AS WE LIKE TO SAY THAT THEY SNITCH ALL THE TIME , THIS IS A HUNDRED + YEAR OLD ORGANIZATION IN THE USA WHO HAS HAD VERY FEW SNITCHES IN THEIR RANKS COMPARED TO THEIR NUMBERS AND HISTORY. THEY HAVE HAD THOUSANDS OF MEMBERS. AND ABOUT 100 VERIFIABLE SNITCHES. WHAT I AM SPEAKING OF IS A CONTINUING CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION , ONE THAT LOOSES LEADERS -HAS SOLDIERS LOCKED UP , GOES THRU LAW ENFORCEMENT CHANGES , BUT CONTINUES TO REPLENISH ITS MEMBERSHIP AND CONTINUES TO ADAPT . THE STABILITY OF LA COSA NOSTRA IS WHAT HAS MADE IT WHAT IT IS. ITS RULE OF OMERTA IS BROKEN --BUT IT STILL IS THE SAME RULE. THEIR ARE GROUPS LIKE THE EME WHO HAVE CHANGED IN STRUCTURE AND ABILITY OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS --ABOUT 1992 ,THEY BEGAN ORGANIZING GANGS TO DO THEIR DEEDS AND ALL THE BIG RICO TRIALS IN LA HAS FOCUSED ON THEM AS OF LATE. JUST BEAR IN MIND THAT THIS ORGANIZATION IS 60 YEARS OLD COMPARED TO LA COSA NOSTRAS -500 YEAR HISTORY . WHAT STARTED OUT AS A PRISON GANG HAS EMERGED AS THE 2ND BIGGEST ORGANIZING FORCE IN AMERICA. THEY HAVE SHOWN UP IN MEXICOS CARTEL WAR( READ THE ARTILCLE I POSTED ON POPEYE BARRON, BAT MARQUEZ AND A LATINO GANG IN SAN DIEGO(BARRIO LOGAN 13), IN FACT THE MAJOR HITTERS IN THE 1990S FOR THE ARELLANO FELIX WERE THE SOLDIERS UNDER POPEYE BARRON AND BAT MARQUEZ , THESE GUYS HIT JUDGES ,ATTORNEY GENERALS,NEWSPAPER MEN . AND HAD CONNECTIONS ALL THRU SAN DIEGOS GANG WORLD. THEY ORDERED A NEWSMAN WHO HAD DIVULGED THE EMES MAJOR HITTERS FOR THE ARELLANO -FELIX CARTEL SHOT DOWN ON THE STREETS OF CHULA VISTA. BAT MARQUEZ WAS TAPED IN A LOS ANGELOS HOTEL ROOM , TRYING TO ROUSE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE EME THAT THE TIME HAD COME TO ASERT AUTHORITY IN TIJUNAS UNDERWORLD WERE THE DRUGS REALLY WERE AND THAT HE NEEDED FREE ACCESS TO MAKE NEW MEMBERS ON HIS OWN TO GIVE HIM AUTHORITY OVER MEMBERS OF THE VARRIOS CHICANO GANGSTERS WHO HAD FLED LAW ENFORCEMENT IN MEXICO,THIS FROM A PRISON GANG ?! ANYWAYS HOPE I MADE MY POINT ON WHAT CONSTITUTES A CRIME GROUP

[cliffard]

mayugastank i dont doubt what you said in the post above, i personally think la cosa nostra, that is the italian mafia IN AMERICA has had its day. they've become isolated from the traditions of community and distrust of outsiders that leads to their law of omerta, rico cases that can be built over many many years thru wiretaps etc that ensure LONG sentences, usually lifers and the fact that the younger italian americans through no fault of their own have become softer and more americanised than their predecessors...whereas in the past if you got hit with 50 years you would NOT inform due to being looked after in the jail, fear for your family (this is no longer a factor, the us government has made sure witsec works), and adherence to the code that you mentioned, now theyre as ready to roll over as the next man. the clannishness that defined LCN is now gone, you cant compare them to the organisation that was almost a rival government, a state within a state in the 1950s and 1960s.
the sicilian mafia in italy and europe is still very powerful and dangerous, they permeate the italian government and state and have done for over a hundred years.
mexican mafia on the other hand is becoming more powerful, mexico is a hard country where life is cheap drugs are easy to obtain cheaply by western standards and in bulk, an excellent way to make ridiculous amounts of money as you are on the very porous border of the largest drug market in the world, then corrupt your own institutions...its happening already in mexico. fuck that, its already happened in mexico!
the only thing is they are not alone, other large criminal organisations re coming out of mexico so i can see internecnine war between mexicans/chicanos becoming a worse problem than you say it is with blacks.
if your in long beach pushin a line on all blacks and orientals and not warring with any other 13 hoods, i can see how this unity thing looks to you, but you must know that just like blacks kill more blacks, its the same with the mexican hoods, even with the eme at the top guiding things. as you get more powerful, your internal conflicts become more severe.

[alexalonso]

POPEYE BARRON WAS A MEMBER OF THE EME, HE WORKED UNDER THE TUTELAGE OF HUERO LEON SHERM,AND BAT MARQUEZ --2 EME HEAVYWEIGHTS. BAT ACTING AS POPEYES CAPTAIN CONTROLLED THE ENTIRE SHIPPING OPERATION OF MARIJUANA AND COCAINE IN TIJUANA FOR THE ARELLANO -FELIX CARTEL. THE MM HAS COME A LONG WAY FROM A SIMPLE PRISON GANG.

I dont consider this an advancement of La Eme or a new area of adaptation that the Mexican Mafia accomplished. What it was, San Diego gang members that live close to the border of Mexico were able to make connections with Mexican Cartels. Nothing more. It was a short lived relationship that only benefitted a few San Diego carnals like Raul "Huero Sherm" Leon and Jose "DingBat" or "Bat" Marquez. Both of them are washed up in the feds now. No other Eme members were doing this, just the San Diego ones.

[alexalonso]

David Popeye Barron and Jose Bat Marques were actually involved in the actual hits that they were doing in Mexico. Wouldn't you think that we are making millions, lets get our best Logan Heights shooters to do the dirty work while we take care of all the financial business .Popeye was shot and killed during a hit they were doing for the Arrellano-Felix cartel and he was killed in the shootout. Although there are some that believe that Bat killed Popeye.

[BakalaKing]

POPEYE BARRON WAS A MEMBER OF THE EME, HE WORKED UNDER THE TUTELAGE OF HUERO LEON SHERM,AND BAT MARQUEZ --2 EME HEAVYWEIGHTS. BAT ACTING AS POPEYES CAPTAIN CONTROLLED THE ENTIRE SHIPPING OPERATION OF MARIJUANA AND COCAINE IN TIJUANA FOR THE ARELLANO -FELIX CARTEL. THE MM HAS COME A LONG WAY FROM A SIMPLE PRISON GANG.

I dont consider this an advancement of La Eme or a new area of adaptation that the Mexican Mafia accomplished. What it was, San Diego gang members that live close to the border of Mexico were able to make connections with Mexican Cartels. Nothing more. It was a short lived relationship that only benefitted a few San Diego carnals like Raul "Huero Sherm" Leon and Jose "DingBat" or "Bat" Marquez. Both of them are washed up in the feds now. No other Eme members were doing this, just the San Diego ones.

Well its known the eme works with the mexican cartels in the tijuana area, i dont know if its the whole eme or part, but they are doing it. Then u talk about popeye barron rip, like it was a thing of 2, some gang members of logan heights 30s started working for the mexican drug cartels, in these days must be whole gangs do this, like the barrio azteca in the texas border. The thing is how many bloods and crips have even had a relation with cartels ? 0. Why cartels are gonna work with dudes that dont even run theyre own city ? The east la area all run by mexicans, and the south central area that use to be a blood crip powerhouse, now its mostly mexicans, were several crip blood hoods have been kicked out by surenos, they dont run everything, like why surenos are gonna run imperial courts when its 80 % black, just like the crips and bloods dont run estrada courts, but outside of imperial courts theres sureno gangs, not the case outside estrada courts. The bloods crips hoods survive in there turfs but are not challenging the mexican gangs and that means they cannot over take them. In the florencia 13 east coast crip war, the florencia caused panic, making the east coast crip run except for the six pack, and they killed innocents, but some was mistaken identity, like the bloods and crips have done several times, and they dont come flying the race card, and thats why 100 florencia guys was arrested and none of the ecc becuz of who was causing the drama. The 3 black figures of drug trade like freeway rick, mostly were lucky dudes, who happen to make money with good connects, but they werent a mob. So the mexicans run the la drug trade now, not all the streets since there are still crips and blood hoods holding there own, but whos knows in 20 years ? So the surenos are the ones mobbin, the crips and bloods are just gangsta on rap songs.

[H572DSTA]

Waterhead Bo a crip at age 25 was moving thousands of kilos of cocaine with top Colombian traffickers in the 80's. He was the one who but Rayful Edmonds supposbly biggest drug dealer on the East Coast on the map. What about Charles Cosby and Griselda Blanca or Ike Atkinson. There are many more.

DAM YOU NAME A FEW SMART NIGGERS IN TEH DRUG TRADE OUT THE 3+ MILLION DRUG RELATED CRIMINAL BLACKS IN THE PRISON POPULATION. NICKEL BAG AND 20 ROCKS FOR SALE AT EVERY STREET CORNER ,CATCHING LIFE SENTEN CES FOR SHOOTING SOMEONE OVER A DIME BAG!! STEALING RAIDERS COATS AND NEW NIKES AND GETTING A 1000 YEARS FOR IT IN THE PEN. GOD DAM SHAME THAT REAL INTELLIGENT CRIMINALS IN TEH BLACK COMMUNITY ARE SO RARE BECAUSE WITH THEIR VICIOUSNESS THE CRIPS AND BLOODS COULD CONTROL EVERYTHING,TOO BAD THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO ORGANIZE, ARE TOO SELFISH TO EVER COMMIT TO AN IDEA OR PLAN AND HAVE NO LOYALTY TO A VISON, ARE LACKING INTELLIGENCE, IF NIGGERS IN AFRICA THE MOST FURTILE LAND IN THE WORLD ARE STARVING TO DEATH RIGHT UNDER A LAND WERE YOU CAN DROP A SUNFLOWER SEED ,NOT WATER IT,WALK AWAY AND COME BACK A FEW MONTHS LATER TO A FOREST OF SUNFLOWER PLANTS IT SHOWS YOU THAT THE AFRICAN PEOPLE IN GENERAL ARE UNINTELLIGENT.

oh my god as soon as somebody just name one black who was big in the drug game you get a nervous breakdown and your racial inferiority complex comes out to play

nobody denies that mexican are the biggest drug trafficers in the world calm down dude

so blacks are the only one who got a drug problem ? the biggest population in the ca prisons are mexicans and they aint in for multibillion drug deals they are in for the same crime you just accused black people...selling rocks for a few dollaz to make a living

so africans are dumb because africa is fucked up ? mexico is one of the most fucked up countries in the world but thats not because mexicans are dumb itz because it got a long history of whites who sold out this country and seed the roots of curuption....same with africa

so the economical backround says whos smart and whos not ? people in south korea are smarter than people in north korea ?

[youngspade]

He should be banned @mugya

[alexalonso]

POPEYE BARRON WAS A MEMBER OF THE EME, HE WORKED UNDER THE TUTELAGE OF HUERO LEON SHERM,AND BAT MARQUEZ --2 EME HEAVYWEIGHTS. BAT ACTING AS POPEYES CAPTAIN CONTROLLED THE ENTIRE SHIPPING OPERATION OF MARIJUANA AND COCAINE IN TIJUANA FOR THE ARELLANO -FELIX CARTEL. THE MM HAS COME A LONG WAY FROM A SIMPLE PRISON GANG.

I dont consider this an advancement of La Eme or a new area of adaptation that the Mexican Mafia accomplished. What it was, San Diego gang members that live close to the border of Mexico were able to make connections with Mexican Cartels. Nothing more. It was a short lived relationship that only benefitted a few San Diego carnals like Raul "Huero Sherm" Leon and Jose "DingBat" or "Bat" Marquez. Both of them are washed up in the feds now. No other Eme members were doing this, just the San Diego ones.

Well its known the eme works with the mexican cartels in the tijuana area, i dont know if its the whole eme or part, but they are doing it. Then u talk about popeye barron rip, like it was a thing of 2, some gang members of logan heights 30s started working for the mexican drug cartels, in these days must be whole gangs do this, like the barrio azteca in the texas border. The thing is how many bloods and crips have even had a relation with cartels ? 0. Why cartels are gonna work with dudes that dont even run theyre own city ? The east la area all run by mexicans, and the south central area that use to be a blood crip powerhouse, now its mostly mexicans, were several crip blood hoods have been kicked out by surenos, they dont run everything, like why surenos are gonna run imperial courts when its 80 % black, just like the crips and bloods dont run estrada courts, but outside of imperial courts theres sureno gangs, not the case outside estrada courts. The bloods crips hoods survive in there turfs but are not challenging the mexican gangs and that means they cannot over take them. In the florencia 13 east coast crip war, the florencia caused panic, making the east coast crip run except for the six pack, and they killed innocents, but some was mistaken identity, like the bloods and crips have done several times, and they dont come flying the race card, and thats why 100 florencia guys was arrested and none of the ecc becuz of who was causing the drama. The 3 black figures of drug trade like freeway rick, mostly were lucky dudes, who happen to make money with good connects, but they werent a mob. So the mexicans run the la drug trade now, not all the streets since there are still crips and blood hoods holding there own, but whos knows in 20 years ? So the surenos are the ones mobbin, the crips and bloods are just gangsta on rap songs.

Its not well known that La Eme works with the Mexican Cartels. There are about 200 Mexican Mafia members. You tell me how many of them are working with the Cartels. Very few if that. In the past only Popeye Barron and Bat Marquez have been linked. Who else?

[jeff]

there's been other instances where eme and the cartels worked together. here's some recent examples:

http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_2138446 ... ican-mafia

http://www.examiner.com/article/doj-mex ... ars-prison

[xxx]

They're blenty of blacks doing life sentences in the Feds under the C.C.E act.

During the 80s, Columbians controlled trafficking all the way to the streets. Blacks & Columbians were the major players in the game.

When the Government shut down Florida, the Columbias brought Mexican Nationals into the fold and delegated the last stage of trafficking/smuggling to them. New trade route.

Before that, Mexicans had little influence in the drug trade.

As far as petty criminals, 90% of California state prisoners are in there over stupid petty shit. All them dudes ain't in there for organized drug smuggling. They in there for drug addict BS.

LA Street Gangs specialize in petty crimes. Only a few (crip/blood/chicanos) making major moves. They're more dudes strung off on meth and heroin then balling off it.

[alexalonso]

there's been other instances where eme and the cartels worked together. here's some recent examples:

http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_2138446 ... ican-mafia

http://www.examiner.com/article/doj-mex ... ars-prison

I read the first article and I dont see who is a Mexican Mafia member. I know that the title of the articles says that, but is a a validated Eme?

[Christina Marie]

POPEYE BARRON WAS A MEMBER OF THE EME, HE WORKED UNDER THE TUTELAGE OF HUERO LEON SHERM,AND BAT MARQUEZ --2 EME HEAVYWEIGHTS. BAT ACTING AS POPEYES CAPTAIN CONTROLLED THE ENTIRE SHIPPING OPERATION OF MARIJUANA AND COCAINE IN TIJUANA FOR THE ARELLANO -FELIX CARTEL. THE MM HAS COME A LONG WAY FROM A SIMPLE PRISON GANG.

I dont consider this an advancement of La Eme or a new area of adaptation that the Mexican Mafia accomplished. What it was, San Diego gang members that live close to the border of Mexico were able to make connections with Mexican Cartels. Nothing more. It was a short lived relationship that only benefitted a few San Diego carnals like Raul "Huero Sherm" Leon and Jose "DingBat" or "Bat" Marquez. Both of them are washed up in the feds now. No other Eme members were doing this, just the San Diego ones.

Well its known the eme works with the mexican cartels in the tijuana area, i dont know if its the whole eme or part, but they are doing it. Then u talk about popeye barron rip, like it was a thing of 2, some gang members of logan heights 30s started working for the mexican drug cartels, in these days must be whole gangs do this, like the barrio azteca in the texas border. The thing is how many bloods and crips have even had a relation with cartels ? 0. Why cartels are gonna work with dudes that dont even run theyre own city ? The east la area all run by mexicans, and the south central area that use to be a blood crip powerhouse, now its mostly mexicans, were several crip blood hoods have been kicked out by surenos, they dont run everything, like why surenos are gonna run imperial courts when its 80 % black, just like the crips and bloods dont run estrada courts, but outside of imperial courts theres sureno gangs, not the case outside estrada courts. The bloods crips hoods survive in there turfs but are not challenging the mexican gangs and that means they cannot over take them. In the florencia 13 east coast crip war, the florencia caused panic, making the east coast crip run except for the six pack, and they killed innocents, but some was mistaken identity, like the bloods and crips have done several times, and they dont come flying the race card, and thats why 100 florencia guys was arrested and none of the ecc becuz of who was causing the drama. The 3 black figures of drug trade like freeway rick, mostly were lucky dudes, who happen to make money with good connects, but they werent a mob. So the mexicans run the la drug trade now, not all the streets since there are still crips and blood hoods holding there own, but whos knows in 20 years ? So the surenos are the ones mobbin, the crips and bloods are just gangsta on rap songs.

Its not well known that La Eme works with the Mexican Cartels. There are about 200 Mexican Mafia members. You tell me how many of them are working with the Cartels. Very few if that. In the past only Popeye Barron and Bat Marquez have been linked. Who else?

Thats just logic Al

[xxx]

How many la eme are on the streets to be dealing with cartels?

Paisas and Southsiders are doing all the middle man dealing. La eme are lazy trying to tax instead of hustle. La eme uses and taxes Surenos and Cartels use Paisas. Cartels sit in Mexico, la eme sit in prison cells.

[youngspade]

How many la eme are on the streets to be dealing with cartels?

Paisas and Southsiders are doing all the middle man dealing. La eme are lazy trying to tax instead of hustle. La eme uses and taxes Surenos and Cartels use Paisas. Cartels sit in Mexico, la eme sit in prison cells.

Well said

[ViciousRidah]

Twelve years ago, Jose Saenz was an LAUSD dropout and run-of-the-mill tagger known on the Eastside of Los Angeles as Smiley, a nod to the way he flashed his trademark brilliant grin. At age 22, he sidled up to two young Eastside men peddling dope on North Clarence Street in Boyle Heights, pretending to be friend not foe. When Smiley got real close, he yanked out a hidden gun and killed Josue Hernandez and Leonardo Ponce, two members of the East L.A. 13 gang.


Worried about a Prizzi's Honor–style scenario, police believe, Smiley feared that those close to him knew too much about the double murder — honor killings, in his mind, required after his two victims beat up his teenage buddy, Juan Pena. So 11 days after the Clarence Street murders, on a hot August afternoon in 1998, police say, Smiley raped and executed the woman who had intimate knowledge of him: his pretty, dark-haired, estranged girlfriend, Sigreda Fernandez, 21, mother of his 2-year-old baby girl.

Saenz was not one of those tortured kids who saw beyond the grimy walls and corruption inside Pico-Aliso and dreamed of escape. Even as a sly youngster, he was mired in it. Families lived in fear at the projects, controlled by several gangs, including the Cuatro Flats. In fact, the Cuatro Flats crime organization arose in 1942 soon after the projects — a disastrous social experiment that urban planners insisted would lift up the poor — were erected.

For years, nobody has had a death wish strong enough to rat out Smiley for these killings, save for young Juan Pena. Dying several years ago of childhood leukemia, he fingered his blood brother Saenz for the executions on North Clarence Street.

But Smiley, with his intense black eyes and his quick, deviant mind, vanished from the local cops' radar for 10 years — to Mexico for some of that time, the FBI says, where he morphed from East L.A. tagger and Cuatro Flats gang member to a connected, Mexican-cartel drug "soldier" — simply put, a high-level executioner, and then trafficker, operating on both sides of the U.S.-Mexican border.

Many facts are unknown and long periods of time inside Mexico remain a mystery. But U.S. authorities believe Saenz hooked up in northern Mexico with former Cal State Los Angeles business student Rolando Ontiveros, a nattily dressed product of private schools with a sharp brain, who used his education to ill ends south of the border.

Like Rolo, Smiley rose to operate in high-end international drug smuggling circles, where million-dollar coke transactions went down. He sometimes used Tijuana bars as a base, crossing to the U.S. regularly with a bogus Mexican passport to do business with dealers in L.A. and Orange counties, and in other states.

On these streets in 1998, Smiley decided to return the insult done to his youthful gangster friend, 14-year-old Pena, who'd been attacked by East L.A. 13 gangbangers Hernandez and Ponce. LAPD Detective Chavarria says that as Pena looked on, the smiling Saenz casually approached the two young men as if to buy drugs, then shot Ponce in the chest, thigh and back and Hernandez three times in the head.

According to Rene Enriquez, a former Mexican Mafia leader, the key operators move easily between Southern California and Mexico, principally Mexican-American men heavily drawn from Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino and San Diego counties.

"[Saenz] was pretty much on the run when he left here," says Los Angeles Police Department homicide detective Ron Chavarria, investigating the 1998 Clarence Street murders attributed to Smiley. "He didn't have a car or anything. Then, years later, he is an established drug dealer."

In the intervening years, "He did something to get himself to that level. People are deathly afraid of this guy. You mention this guy's name and [potential informants] are done. They don't want to talk about him."

It is now known that during that time Smiley, today 34, partied under the noses of LAPD and city and county police agencies throughout Southern California with his drug-dealer pals, frequenting nice, suburban Long Beach–area bars like Lakewood's Elephant Club, Hollywood Boulevard hot spots, and chic Southern California watering holes.


Life was fine. At one point Smiley was ferried around by a chauffeur employed by his gangster buddy Oscar Torres, a Los Angeles Hummer limo–service owner, who wore upscale clothes, lived as "Sam" in a quiet, suburban equestrian community in Whittier — and sold prodigious quantities of coke to feed Southern California's habit.

Garriola believes that Smiley is "involved in murder, as well as enforcement for the cartels. ... The money we found was earmarked for [Smiley]. Torres lost it and Torres was murdered." He says "squads" of Americans work here, enforcing Mexican cartels' deals. Cartels train Americans in outlaw camps in Mexico, where Smiley apparently was welcomed. According to the California Department of Justice, Mexican crime lords desire these recruits because they can easily cross the border and operate throughout California, using cartel training, including surveillance and ambush techniques.

Ontiveros was one of 43 reputed Mexican Mafia members and associates indicted in 1999 by a Los Angeles County grand jury for racketeering, murder, assault with a dangerous weapon and drug trafficking. Federal authorities believe Ontiveros helped plot to kill drug dealer Richard Serrano at his Montebello auto body shop in 1998 — details that poured from the mouth of former Cal State L.A. student and Mexican Mafia associate Max Torvisco, who cut a plea deal and is now in federal prison.

Assistant United States Attorney Bob Dugdale says, "[Ontiveros] worked his way through the Lott gang to become a leader and eventually a soldier."

There is one deeply troubling hint that Rolo may have had friends in high places. In 1999, the cops nearly closed in on Rolo, according to an anonymous law enforcement source who cannot be named because he fears department reprisal. But when the LAPD's Eme Task Force — named for La Eme, or the Mexican Mafia — showed up at his apartment in Bunker Hill Towers, Rolo was gone, a fact that left cops unnerved and jumpy.

"Someone tipped him off," says the source. Yet only a handful of law enforcement officials knew about the raid on Rolo. LAPD Internal Affairs reportedly began an investigation, whose secret outcome will probably never be known.

Police believe that Rolo Ontiveros fled to Mexico, and rumors drifted back that he had opened up restaurants there, while keeping his hand in the drug trade in Southern California, along with his Cuatro Flats gang pal Saenz, and his Lott gang pals, Torres and Bello.

"They were all in it deep," says Gonzales, a small woman who sounds tough, and is. "These guys are intelligent. They are not dumb asses. They didn't look like your typical shave-your-head baggy-pants gangster. They went to high-dollar clubs. They were trendy. That was the image they were looking for. They know what the laws are. What police can and cannot do. How to avoid detection."

Homicide detective Chavarria began hearing rumors that Smiley was in Los Angeles and had brazenly walked into LAPD's Hollenbeck station and used the ATM, set up inside so residents of tough Hollenbeck, with its small stucco homes and numerous gangs, could feel safe while getting cash.

Another informant says Saenz had plastic surgery to change his face. Chavarria heard that Saenz was killed in Mexico by drug cartels.

Smiley was becoming a legend who moved silently between the First and Third Worlds, an elusive go-between supplying the U.S. drug appetite and negotiating Mexico's violent drug wars.

"His homeboys put that out," Chavarria scoffs. "They would say he was shot and killed in a shoot-out in Mexico. It was all BS."

But unsettling news about Saenz kept dribbling in. A woman in Boyle Heights had been kidnapped for money, a crime rarely seen in Los Angeles, yet harrowingly similar to the crisis in Mexico, where thousands of kidnappings have occurred. She was released unharmed after a large, undisclosed amount was paid to her abductors. Chavarria heard about it all later, and street rumors pointed to Saenz.

"None of the cars were registered in his [real] name," says Detective Gonzales. "He had no ties to anything. We talked to many of the neighbors and they had no idea. They just knew him as Sam. There were multiple people who said, 'Nice guy, we never would have known.' "

Detectives also found a high-tech system of monitors that would later provide chilling video evidence pointing directly to his friend Smiley as Torres' killer.

Anthony Limon, the victim found shot in the back, told detectives that he'd agreed as a favor to limo-service owner "Sam" to ferry around four guys in his Hummer limo that night, picking up the first three and taking them to a spot in the Long Beach area — the upscale Elephant Bar Restaurant in suburban Lakewood — where they picked up Smiley. Then it was on to El Parral Club in working-class South Gate, then several hours cruising in Hollywood, then back to Lakewood.

It was all about that vast amount of cash sitting back in Missouri, confiscated three months earlier by the St. Charles County cops, who pulled Torres over. "There was some money owed and a timetable," Garriola says. "Oscar didn't meet it."

A month after Torres' murder, Smiley's cousin Johnny Prado, who can be clearly seen in the video, was arrested for murder and attempted murder, and last November he went to prison for 26 years. His friends told police that he was an industrious construction worker, but Chavarria says he couldn't get away from the East L.A. gangs. "When they get older, they still have an allegiance," he says. "If they are called upon, they have to step up." Smiley is still out there, crossing back and forth between Mexico and California, cashing in and spreading mayhem. "It is like chasing a ghost," Chavarria notes.

Bogart Bello's grave site at the Calvary Mortuary in East Los Angeles is on a hill that overlooks the Virgin of Guadalupe Church on 3rd Street and gang territory where he grew up with his childhood friends Torres and Ontiveros. His tombstone reads: "Forever Living On The Top," an homage to his Lott gang. Most of those buried nearby are long dead, and visitors are few. But Efrain Bello tends his brother's site religiously.

In 2008, Bello was found dead in the backseat of his Audi Q7 on Chamberlain Street in Mission Hills, a stone's throw from the Ronald Reagan Freeway. After police turned up few clues, a detective hired by Efrain discovered that Bello and Smiley had just been involved in a drug deal in which Smiley disliked the quality of the coke and "took it as a great disrespect."

Chavarria and Gonzales believe Smiley kidnapped and probably killed Bello, but LAPD Foothills Division homicide supervisor Jim Freund says, "We can't prove that he was kidnapped. That came from the brother. ... Obviously someone dropped him off in the position" in which he was found, lying in his backseat with a bag pulled over his head.

The killer of his daughter's mother has won silence on the streets of Southern California. Short of a confession from Smiley, Bello's death will go down as accidental, a reminder that the cross-border drug carnage in America's cities — fueled by Smiley and young boys who grow up to be like him, and their willing customers — is never fully measured.

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http://www.laweekly.com/2010-06-17/news ... cartels/5/

That above is an example that some LA Surs have connections to Mexican Cartels, I am sure some La Eme members would have connections to it as well.

http://thedailyjournalist.com/theinvest ... gone-wild/
Elias Johnson, a spokesman for the Pinal County Sheriff’s Office in Arizona, said in a phone conversation that there had been a substantial increase of drug smuggling entering along the border between Arizona and Mexico, as never seen in the past.

“The amount of drug distribution doubled this year,” Johnson said. “It went from $92,000 U.S.D. a few years back, to confiscating in 2011 about $1.2 million U.S.D..”

All the drugs pass through a detailed process of distribution before they are ready to be sold in the U.S. market.

“Most of the drugs are stashed in drop houses or trailers,” Johnson said. “These drugs are then broken and sold as illegal narcotics and distributed to different locations in the US, reaching as far as Ohio and all the way to New York.”

Johnson further stated that among the drugs ententering through Texas and Arizona they have also found detailed maps showing where U.S. gang-affiliated mafias like the New Mexican Mafia (Arizona) or La eMe (California) with alliance of Mexican cartels, distribute their narcotics through different routes across the U.S. However some of these alliances are in dangerous feuds with Los Zetas.

The notorious paramilitary Cartel Los Zetas known for its cruelty in eastern Mexico is under constant surveillance by the Central Intelligence Community and Department of Homeland Security.

The Cartel of Los Zetas controls the border separating Texas and Mexico, while its rivals the biggest drug organization in Mexico ‘the Sinaloa Cartel’ controls the drug trade bordering Arizona and California.

In certain regions in Texas, ‘Los Zetas’ is not present according to Luzz Marquez, Deputy Sheriff in El Paso, Texas.

“Los Zetas is not at the Juarez/El Paso Border,” said Marquez.” The Juarez Cartel and Sinaloa move dope through the El Paso area.”

The U.S. gangs that help the Sinaloa Cartel and the Juarez Cartels are also different than in Arizona, but dangerous nonetheless.

“The gangs affiliated with the Sinaloa group are the Artistas Asesinos and the Mejicles,” Marquez said. “They both fight with the Barrio Azteca from Juarez.”

In recent months, there has been a noticeable increase in efforts to fight drug trade, thanks to the government’s cooperation with local enforcement.

“We are working with local and Federal agencies to attack at the source, instead of the people who buy the drugs from them,” Johnson said.

Marquez said that their office also works well with local Border Patrol and the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol. They support each other’s investigations and share intelligence with each other about different crime operations.

But despite the help provided, if things were not bad enough, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Fire-arms and Explosives was caught running a sting operation trying to smuggle a significant number of weapons (about 2,000) mostly AK47’s on behalf of Mexican drug cartels.

Robert Farago the founder of the website the Truth About Guns, said in a phone conversation that the whole sting was a mess…a Federal mess presently in court.

“As far as we know and according to all the trials in court recently, there is strong evidence to suggest that the C.IA., F.B.I and D.E.A were also involved in this operation,” Farago said.

The A.T.F. suggested the weapons were destined to help reinforce the Mexican Government in their quest to fight drug cartels, but Farago suggested the A.T.F. is using this as an excuse to hide the obvious.

“It doesn’t make any sense,” said Johnson. “If the Mexican Government needed weapons they would fly a few commercial airliners to China and get their firearms for cheaper.”

For Farago the most likely explanation is that the U.S. Federal agencies involved in the scandal were helping reinforce the Sinaloa Cartel and other cartels to fight against the vicious “Los Zetas.”

“I have a close friend that works for the C.I.A. and he told me the U.S. Government is scared of Los Zetas,” Farago said. “Los Zetas has a lot of power in Mexico and our Government is afraid they will take over the corrupted Mexican Government.”

But for Angelica Martinez-Duran, PhD candidate in the department of Political Science Department at Brown University, some of the statements proposed from Farago are not safe and lack clarity.

“Drug trafficking organizations already have extended corruption networks within the government,“ Martinez-Duran said. “However, it is unrealistic to think that one organization can completely take over a government.”

Martinez-Duran also said that the U.S. may have knowledge of these connections, but she doesn’t think it intercedes with foreign policy, unless a high ranking official were accused of helping one organization beyond reasonable doubt.

Concerning ‘Operation Fast and Furious’, Martinez-Duran also disagreed with Farago’s view about the outcome of the situation.

“What is clear about Operation Fast and Furious is that arms that were nominally aimed at following and indicting criminal organizations ended up being used in criminal acts by these very same organizations,” Martinez-Duran said.

Martinez-Duran added that whether this was a part of a bigger plan to help one criminal organization (we cannot yet say that was the case), the operation revealed the basis, the “weak” basis upon which “intelligence” operations are established and monitored and of course makes evident that arms flow easily and quickly among criminal organizations.

Through recent drug dilemmas, the dangerous tension on the borders is escalating. Whether or not the U.S. Government is helped reinforce a criminal enterprise to defeat another is unclear. But if so, it would be equal to smuggling guns to the Taliban to defeat Al-Qaeda.

As far as the State of Ohio, for Farago, the city of Cleveland is a referral point for distribution of meth, cocaine and marihuana. The origins are in Mexico.

Lieutenant Anne R. Ralston, a spokesperson for the Ohio State Highway Patrol, said in an e-mail, that drug traffickers transport illegal narcotics through Ohio on a regular/daily basis.

She said drugs move across the county. So as a result of where Ohio sits in relation to the rest of the country illegal narcotics pass trough Ohio on our major east/west and north/south Interstates.To fight the problem the Department of Homeland Security (D.H.S.) and the Ohio State Highway Patrol (O.S.H.P.) are fighting to keep communities safe from drugs.

“The O.S.H.P. works diligently to remove these dangerous drugs from our roadways as we know drugs are not only coming through Ohio,” continued Ralston “,but often times the drugs are destined to Ohio communities.”

Interstate I-35 is the main vein of traffic leading to major cities. The highway starts in the south and crosses into other states were drugs are distributed.

Marquez said there are major cities in TX used to store and ship contraband out, which I-35 goes through. Interstate I-35 is also the route back into Mexico with currency and weapons.

A thin line holds the Mexico-U.S. foreign connection. For Martinez-Duran relations will continue to be tense especially around issues like firearms headed to Mexico and the lack of effort on the part of the U.S. Government to curb U.S. demand on drugs.

Outcomes will depend on who wins elections both in Mexico and the US. However, Martinez-Duran thinks that even with big political changes on the horizon, current policies and relations will not change radically.

Even though the tensions are visible, for both Marquez and Johnson, it seems clear that drug smuggling is at no end point .

“With the amount of limited enforcement available to fight the drug distribution,” Johnson said, “it is inaccessibly hard to inspect 70 miles of land without having smugglers passing contraband across the Mexican border into Arizona almost daily.”

As for Marquez the way to stop the drug smuggling has ultimately become “The million dollar question.”

Farago opts for legalizing drugs, as that would take a direct financial hit on illegal narcotics and could slowly erode the core of drug cartel trade Martinez-Duran agrees.

“The only way to really stop the smugglers would be to eliminate the illegal market and the demand for drugs that allows them to exist,” Martinez-Duran said. “That requires reconsidering the current drug prohibition regime.”

Unlike the past, when Italian-Mafias dominated the drug scene, what seems clear now, is that the Mexican criminal enterprises dominate the U.S. drug trade. When you have the D.H.S. claiming that Los Zetas is a bigger threat than Al-Qaeda, and possibly helping fund a rival cartel to defeat them, its time to wake up and smell the coffee.