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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby mayugastank » January 15th, 2010, 3:23 pm

Coup wrote:Eme flipped that slutty bitch and the FBI are going to flip her back...

I always heard or read that the SD sur's had direct connects to the Mexicans....the nixxas in SD always were able to get good prices and top shit...those old prison fucks are trying to get in deep...instead of getting their feet wet they are trying to make long lasting moves....

I remember years ago the reports of the eme gunners that worked for the Mexicans that were killed by the Mexican feds....dudes tried to press the Mexicans on their shipments...go through eme or dont come through Cali or some shit....it didn't work but they are still trying...

I gotta agree with thewestside on this....eme cant successfully press these dudes with no major leverage...sur hoods will tell eme to fu-- off if the cartels come pushing the weight to them directly...isnt that how the Mexicans came to power??? Columbians starting payin their Mexican shippers in weight rather then cash...now they got shit damn near on lock





SD and ARELLANO CONNECTIONS


AFO Enforcer and Mexican Mafia Member Faces New Drug Charges

United States Attorney Karen P. Hewitt announced today the unsealing of five criminal complaints charging a total of 12 individuals with federal drug trafficking and firearm violations. The charges stem from an undercover investigation conducted by the San Diego Violent Crimes Task Force - Gang Group into the illegal activities of the Mexican Mafia prison gang and associated Latino street gangs in the San Diego area.

Four of the five complaints charge 11 defendants, including Mexican Mafia member Jose Alberto “Bat” Marquez, with Conspiracy to Distribute Methamphetamine. Marquez, who is currently in federal custody, was indicted in the Southern District of California in 2002 for conspiracies to import and distribute marijuana and cocaine as part of the Arellano-Felix drug trafficking organization; as noted in the 2002 indictment, Marquez acted as an enforcer, bodyguard, and caretaker of stash houses for the Arellano-Felix organization. Marquez was extradited from Mexico to the United States in January 2007. The complaint alleges that in April 2007 Marquez orchestrated a methamphetamine deal involving at least two other Mexican Mafia associates, despite being in federal custody.

All four drug trafficking complaints charge that the defendants knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other and others to distribute 50 grams and more of methamphetamine. The complaints also allege that, in addition to ties to the Mexican Mafia, several of the defendants have ties to various San Diego street gangs, including: South Side Mob, Logan Heights Red Steps, Shelltown, and Del Sol. Also charged in the complaints are Julia Morones, Maria Madriaga, Brian Mark Smith, Juan Manuel Velarde, Marco Corrado, Ruben Santos, Roland Montemayor, and Jorge Lopez-Herrera.

The fifth criminal complaint charges Mario Bejar, a member of the Old Town National City street gang, with being a Felon in Possession of a Firearm, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 922(g)(1) and 924. The complaint alleges that Bejar, an individual with felony convictions in San Diego County for attempted robbery and robbery, did unlawfully possess and sell a Mauser 98K 8 mm rifle.

The defendants are expected to be arraigned in federal court on Friday, June 6, 2008, at 1:30 p.m. before Magistrate Judge Leo S. Papas.
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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby mnjmc » January 15th, 2010, 9:04 pm

EME IS NOT A FACTOR IN TIJUANA.

Even when they were back in the 90s the most they ever did was run a squad of killers. What you fail to understand is that the Arellanos had plenty of those and the only reason Popeye had in special place was from what happened in Puerto Vallarta.

With all the articles you posted you seem to forget that all the EME members you mentioned in those articles all have one thing in common, THEY ARE ALL IN PRISON. And they were in have been in prison for years already.

Now you mention that article from Tony Rafael, which is very slanted, to make what he has been researching, which is EME, seem more important than it really is. Tony Rafael has a whole blog pretty much dedicated to EME, he talks about other subjects but he fancies himself an expert on EME. He even wrote a book about them, as you have said. Tony, like you, likes to pump the importance of EME's role in the Tijuana cartel. EME's job in the AFO was to kill people, the Arellanos also paid their gunmen with cocaine which they would smuggle across the bother and get customers to buy from them, but never has the Arellanos allowed an EME hit squad to run drug smuggling operations. EME members were part of the Arellanos back then, but they never were much more than hired guns. Tony does the same shit you do which is bring up old cases to make it seem like EME is still in deep with the Arellanos which is false.

mayugastank wrote:THE ARTICLE ABOVE NAMES KNOWN MEXICAN MAFIA MEMBER AND MEMBER OF BARRIO LOGAN HEIGHST AS THE NEW LEADER OF THE TJ CARTEL. IF YOU CHECK THE PREVIOUS POST YOULL NOTICE THAT HE WAS THE SAME MAN ARRESTED FOR THE MURDER OF THE CARDINAL IN MEXICO


None of the people in that Article were EME members. Gustavo Rivera Martinez may have been born in California but he was never never part of EME. Also he was never a contender to run what was left of the AFO, not to mention he was arrested 2008. The AFO is run today by Fernando Sanchez Arellano aka "el Ingeniero" no one in law enforcement dispute that. Outside of the of BAT and Popeye and there crew who can you name that is working with the Arellanos right now? All the people connected to BAT and Popeye are in Prison, they do not matter.

Another thing is that the Arellanos were never one of the most powerful organizations in the world. They were hyped up pretty good because they were outside the power of structure in Mexico. One thing a would give them credit for is that they managed to survive the onslaught by the government and the much more powerful Sinaloa Cartel. At their height the Arellanos controlled the all the BAJA border, but the Sinaloans when they were in harmony controlled it from Arizona, New Mexico, and a chunk of Texas. And they still managed to get dope through the BAJA border.

And again you don't know what happened to EL Guero's wife. It had nothing to with EME, it didn't even had anything to with the AFO either. The person that had Guero's wife killed was Miguel Felix Gallardo, I know that is their uncle but it still had nothing to do with the Arellanos.

From what I'm reading from you it seems as if you like to automatically assume that the gunners or even someone even born in California, like Gustavo Rivera Martinez, is an EME member. I will give you a chance though.

One last question.

IN THE YEAR 2010 TEN IS THERE ANY EME MEMBER CURRENTLY ACTIVE WITH THE ARELLANOS IN A HIGH LEADERSHIP POSITION?

DO NOT BRING UP OLD CASES AND ARTICLES
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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby mayugastank » January 18th, 2010, 5:34 am

None of the people in that Article were EME members. Gustavo Rivera Martinez may have been born in California but he was never never part of EME. Also he was never a contender to run what was left of the AFO, not to mention he was arrested 2008. The AFO is run today by Fernando Sanchez Arellano aka "el Ingeniero" no one in law enforcement dispute that. Outside of the of BAT and Popeye and there crew who can you name that is working with the Arellanos right now? All the people connected to BAT and Popeye are in Prison, they do not matter.

This guy was a well known Shelltown gang member. He was brought along with Bat Marquez and voted on in 1994 to become an EME member. Bat proposed about 7 guys that night and only 2 were initiated. He was not known to the members in the room at the time and they felt he was TOO UNKNOWN and not verifiable. The guys indcuted that night were Barron Corona and Popeye Araujo. Bat Marquez would eventually fall arrested for a parole violation leaving his name in the air for the next 5 years as a policy was instituted banning any new membership due to the lack of credentials the fairly new members had and do to their poor quality. According to Rene Enriquez. Bat Marquez again floated his name while in prison and kites were sent out getting ahold of his credentials. He along a handful of members were the only known members of the EME to be made a new member from 1993-2000. Another was the killer of the AMERICAN ME movie JOKER. POPEYE ARAUJO was and is a fairly new arrestee. He was arrested in 2008. He had been part of the AFO for 2 decades he is a WELL KNOWN EME member and their is no denying his closeness to the Arellanos. The transcript of the hotel tapes are about 10,000 pages long I will post some of what I have said here. Another factor -I have to say the Arellanos are close to the EME is the death of a member in a boating accident. In the aftermath of his death well known shelltown and Gamma members were said to have rushed the funeral parlor and stole his body. Its kinda hard to deny that Surenos are all over the mix in TJ doing hits -moving weight and actively participating with the AFO. Barron -Corona, was a cousin to the Arellanos so the blood ties are their.MORE TO COME...............
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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby mayugastank » January 18th, 2010, 6:21 am

FBI adds L.A. gang member to 10 Most Wanted list
Jose Luis Saenz is suspected of killing four people, including his girlfriend, since 1998. He allegedly is an enforcer for a Mexican drug cartel.
October 21, 2009|Richard Winton
A Los Angeles gang member and Mexican drug cartel enforcer who, authorities say, killed four people, including the mother of his child, is now on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted fugitive list.

Jose Luis Saenz, a Cuatro Flats gang member, shot and killed two rivals from the East LA Trece gang in a Boyle Heights housing project a decade ago, authorities say. He then allegedly kidnapped, raped and killed his girlfriend -- who was also the mother of his infant daughter -- because he feared that she would talk to authorities.




Detectives with the Los Angeles Police Department have searched for Saenz since then. Last year, a video emerged of a smiling man calmly walking up to a Whittier-area front door and rubbing his hands together. Moments later the gunman executed a 38-year-old victim who apparently owed money to a drug cartel. When Los Angeles County sheriff's homicide detectives showed the video to LAPD investigators, they said it was Saenz.


Saenz "is one of the worst offenders I have ever seen," said Special Agent Scott Garriola, a 22-year FBI veteran. "He's got a long career of killing, and that's just what we know about."

Federal agents and detectives say Saenz -- who goes by "Zapp," "Smiley" and "Toro" -- has transformed from a gang member to a drug cartel enforcer over the last decade. Authorities say he has vowed to kill any police officer who pursued him.

Standing nearly 6 feet tall and bearing several tattoos, including the word Flats on his right arm, Saenz allegedly committed the first killings on July 25, 1998, when he and another gang member went to the Aliso Village housing project.

According to detectives, they pretended to be there for a drug buy but were really planning an ambush. The reason, authorities say, was because East LA Trece gang members had beaten the second gunman a week earlier. Authorities allege Saenz executed Josue Hernandez and Leonardo Ponce.

Saenz then fled from the scene and hid in the apartment of his girlfriend, Sigreta Hernandez, authorities said. On Aug. 5, however, Saenz allegedly kidnapped her and drove her to a house in an unincorporated area of Los Angeles. Saenz then allegedly raped her and shot her in the head. His grandmother discovered the woman's body.

Prosecutors have charged Saenz with three counts of murder, one count of kidnapping and one count of rape, and have secured a warrant for his arrest. Despite a hefty reward offered by the Los Angeles City Council, Saenz was not seen again until last year.

In August 2008, two members of the Lott Stoner gang were stopped in Missouri by a state trooper while driving a rental vehicle. Inside a secret panel, $620,000 was found. The money, which was confiscated, was wrapped and marked with the name "Toro," according to the FBI. Two months later, one of the gang members was killed at his Whittier-area home. Investigators suspect Saenz did not believe police took the money.

Unbeknownst to Saenz, the home surveillance system of victim Oscar Torres, 38, was recording at the time of the killing. Saenz is seen arriving at Torres' house, chasing the victim and then shooting him in the head, authorities said.

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Postby mayugastank » January 18th, 2010, 6:36 am

Prison gang, drug cartel link probed



By Andy Furillo -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Thursday, December 9, 2004


SAN DIEGO - Investigators from the Department of Corrections called the National City barbershop "the war room," a meeting place where the Mexican Mafia directed its underworld business by the border.

It was run, they said, by an ex-convict named Roberto Ramiro Marin, one of 35 defendants indicted in January in a case in which California Mexican Mafia leaders were accused of ordering freelance drug dealers beaten and robbed for not paying their "taxes."

OAS_AD('Button20');The 52-count case highlights the ongoing connection between the prison-based Mexican Mafia gang and an international drug cartel across the border. It also is linked, through Marin, to a correctional sergeant accused of trying to help a Mexican Mafia associate escape from prison, on a $500,000 payoff from the cartel.

The escape plot was ultimately foiled and the sergeant eventually fired. But the San Diego indictment provides more evidence of the Mexican Mafia's entrenched organized crime operation, its link to the Arellano Felix cartel in Tijuana, its reach throughout the state - and its potential for corruption.

"There's been a general agreement - drugs come over through the Arellano Felix organization, and then drugs are distributed by the Mexican Mafia through Hispanic neighborhoods," said Mark Amador, a San Diego County deputy district attorney prosecuting the case against Marin and 34 other defendants charged in the conspiracy case. "Southern California, Central California, it's the same thing, under (Mexican Mafia) control."

The Department of Corrections disciplinary action against former correctional Sgt. Michael S. Erickson developed independently from the San Diego district attorney's indictment. But the two cases have one key player in common: Marin.

He is scheduled for trial in May.

In the disciplinary case against Erickson, the sergeant's fellow officers testified that the inmate he was accused of trying to help escape, Carlos Sarmiento, a convicted burglar out of Los Angeles, was not only a Mexican Mafia associate, but also had relatives in the cartel.

Once the escape plot was discovered and thwarted in early 2001, corrections officials launched an internal investigation into Erickson that led to his firing in July 2002 from the R.J. Donovan Correctional Facility in San Diego. The department forwarded the results of its investigation to the San Diego District Attorney's Office. But evidence wasn't handled properly, and San Diego prosecutors said they didn't have enough to sustain a criminal conviction.

The testimony at Erickson's termination hearing that linked the former sergeant to both the prison gang and the drug cartel sent shudders through the Department of Corrections.

"It was a very serious matter and we take it that way," said Corrections Department spokeswoman Margot Bach. "It's unfortunate that in a department this size we have a few bad apples."

Erickson, 41, has since moved to Douglas, Ariz. He denied in a telephone interview that he committed any misconduct. He said he wanted to sue the state to get his job back but that he couldn't afford an attorney.

"I was railroaded," Erickson said.

The former sergeant acknowledged that he used to get his hair cut in the National City barbershop that has been identified as a Mexican Mafia hangout. He also confirmed that he continued to get his hair cut by defendant Marin even after he moved to Chula Vista.

Erickson said he didn't know Marin, 56, was in the Mexican Mafia. He said as many as 50 other correctional employees got their hair cut at the same two shops.

Bach said no evidence was ever compiled linking the other officers to the Mexican Mafia and that cases like Erickson's are exceedingly rare. The Corrections' spokeswoman said the only one even remotely similar to it is a 1993 case where they unsuccessfully tried to fire a chief deputy warden for getting too close to the prison gang.

Erickson was getting his hair cut at the National City barbershop about the same time the Mexican Mafia and the Arellano Felix organization were forging their links and generating headlines on both sides of the border. In 1993 Mexican authorities said the two groups were involved in the murder of the archbishop of Guadalajara, and U.S. authorities said a Mexican Mafia-Arellano Felix hit squad in 1997 nearly killed a Tijuana newspaper editor who had crusaded against the cartel.

In the meantime, the Arellano Felix group, with help north of the border from street gangs working under the Mexican Mafia, imported uncounted tons of cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana into the United States - and laid down a reign of terror on anybody who cheated on them, competed against them or informed on them to the police, according to authorities and court documents.

Southern California law enforcement sources suspect that as many as 100 unsolved homicides over the last 15 years may be the result of Mexican Mafia-Arellano Felix violence. Twenty homicides are identified in a federal drug-trafficking indictment unsealed last year in San Diego.

Local authorities in San Diego launched a wiretap investigation into the two groups last year after receiving information that prison gang operatives were planning to kill a National City police officer.

Officials said they were able to foil the murder plot. In the meantime, the surveillance tuned them in to numerous conversations about a drug distribution ring and a violent campaign to "tax" drug dealers in the San Diego area, with the proceeds going to the Mexican Mafia.

Authorities said the lead defendant in the drug case, Jose Albert Marquez, 44, served as the link between the Mexican Mafia and the Arellano Felix Organization when he moved to Mexico after his 1997 parole from Pelican Bay State Prison.

Arellano Felix operatives bought Marquez a ranch, officials said, and put him to work as an enforcer in Tijuana.

"He became a contact for Mexican Mafia members and associates paroling to the Southern California region," alleged Devan Hawkes, a Department of Corrections investigator at Pelican Bay.

Marquez was arrested in Mexico last year while the San Diego investigation was under way and charged in the 1997 attack on the Tijuana editor - but not until he was caught on wiretaps talking to underlings who relayed his messages to Marin.

Erickson said he didn't know Marin was a gang leader "until after my hearing, and then I find out he's a big-time dude."

"All he did was cut my hair, and my kid's hair," he said.

Marin's lawyer, W. Allen Williams, laughed at the depiction of his client, who has pleaded not guilty, as a "godfather."

Williams said the barbershop-as-Mafia-HQ "is an urban legend." Marin, the lawyer said, "is a sick, old man" who was living in a run-down apartment at the time of his arrest.

But correctional officers and inmates both testified at Erickson's Personnel Board hearing about the National City barbershop, how Marin ran it, and how Erickson got caught up with the prison gang and the cartel.

One prison officer, Sean Beever, testified that Erickson offered him $100,000 for an old identification card - saying he wanted it for the escape try.

"I told him the whole thing was crazy, that you're going to wind up in here with these guys," Beever said.

Beever testified that Erickson told him he had met in Los Angeles with relatives of Sarmiento, the Mexican Mafia associate with relatives in the Arellano Felix cartel.

According to Beever, Erickson planned to smuggle in an officer's jumpsuit and the fabricated ID. Sarmiento would then be able to walk out of the prison and Erickson would drive him to the border and drop him off, Beever testified.

Beever also testified that Erickson told him Sarmiento's family offered to pay the sergeant $500,000.

"They had went to clubs and rode in limos, and everything was worked out," Beever testified. "The money was there." Beever said he told another officer about the plan, who in turn called Department of Corrections internal investigators. Within a day, Sarmiento was hustled out of R.J. Donovan to another prison and the investigation into Erickson was under way.
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Postby mayugastank » January 18th, 2010, 7:09 am

FBI: Mexican Cartel Crime Linked To San Diego County
Lauren Reynolds
10News I-Team Reporter

POSTED: 2:47 pm PST November 6, 2008
UPDATED: 8:52 pm PST November 6, 2008

SAN DIEGO -- Mass murders to send messages to rivals, daytime shootouts near schools and lucrative and brutal kidnappings are recent occurrences in Tijuana that are a growing concern to San Diego's FBI office.

"The violence of these kidnappings is beyond what I have ever seen in my career," says Keith Slotter, Special Agent in Charge.

The bloody war between rival drug cartels in Tijuana can be felt north of the U.S.-Mexico border.


"Some of the violence, some of the organizational aspects that exist in Tijuana and Baja, has spilled over into the U.S., especially the San Diego area," admits Slotter.

He says the cartels' drug trade into the U.S. has slowed over the last year, replaced with more human trafficking, extortions and kidnappings.

"The concern of more kidnappings of more victims being kidnapped here and then the victims being brought south is always a huge concern to us, perhaps our biggest concern in the kidnapping area," says Slotter.

This year, 15 U.S. citizens or legal residents have been kidnapped by gangs linked to the cartels. Some have been killed, and others were traded for ransom.

"The ransoms vary, and sometimes it is for a lot of money," Slotter says.

Those participating in the cartel violence and business also have ties to the U.S.

"You've got the Mexican Mafia, a very powerful gang organization both south of the border and here in California, especially in the San Diego area," says Slotter.

Other sources in law enforcement tell the I-Team that about half the recent cartel members murdered in Tijuana were deported by the U.S. government after spending time in U.S. prisons.

"So gang operations within various prisons in the U.S. are very strong, alive, and well," says Slotter



















THIS ARTICLE STATES AT LEAST HALF TEH PEOPLE KILLED IN TJ DRUG WAR WERE DEPORTED US GANG MEMBERS -MOST SPENT TIME IN CALIFORNIA PRISONS AND A GOOD HANDFUL WERE PROBABALY EME CONNECTED SAFE TO SAY> THE EME IS A SERET ORGANIZATION SO ITS HARD TO FIND CASES WERE TEHIR IDENTITY IS ACTUALLY KNOWN UNLESS THEY SNITCH OR HAVE TATTOOS AFTER BEING FOUND DEAD
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Postby mayugastank » January 18th, 2010, 7:13 am

Deportees are linked to Mexico crime rate

Tijuana police blame U.S. felons for robberies, kidnappings and killings

By Anna Cearley
STAFF WRITER

September 12, 2004



PEGGY PEATTIE / Union-Tribune
A Mexican national with a criminal record in the United States was deported Thursday through a separate entrance at the San Ysidro border crossing. U.S. officials say the number of felons deported each year to Mexico has increased in recent years.



Criminal deportee now a shopkeeper



Edward Gutierrez grew up in a Los Angeles suburb where illegal immigrants come to raise their children in hopes of a better life. Gutierrez took a different path, joining a gang and getting in trouble with the law. At 20, he was sentenced to 15 years in prison for armed robbery.

Because Gutierrez is a Mexican citizen, the U.S. government deported him eight years later when he was released from custody. He ended up in Tijuana, and promptly became Mexico's problem.

Gutierrez, 31, now sits in a Mexican prison, accused of killing two people in a Tijuana apartment last year. One of the victims also was a deported L.A.-area gang member.

The heavily tattooed Gutierrez, known by his English nickname "Shy Boy," faces up to 50 years in prison if convicted. He declined requests for an interview but says he is innocent.

Mexican authorities in Baja California say they are disturbed by a trend they have noticed in recent years of more criminal deportees living in border communities. They blame some of these deportees, particularly L.A-area gang members, for contributing to Baja California's crime rate.

The number of felons deported each year to Tijuana and Mexicali has grown – from 6,300 in 1995 to 9,500 in 2003, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.



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Edward "Shy Boy" Gutierrez was deported and is now charged with killing two people in Tijuana.

The increase is due to 1996 immigration law changes, which widened the definition of which criminals could be deported, according to immigration attorneys and U.S. government officials.

But the recent observation by Mexican authorities also might be due to tighter border security since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. In the past, many deportees were able to quickly cross back into the United States by using their fluent English to talk their way in. Now it's not so easy, and many are deterred because felons can face up to 20 years in prison if caught trying to re-enter.

Once in Mexico, some of the criminal deportees try to eke out an honest living, but Tijuana police blame others for creating gangs and committing armed robberies, kidnappings and killings.

City officials say that even those who were convicted of lesser offenses such as drunken driving or shoplifting in the United States may be tempted to get into more serious trouble out of exasperation.

"Since they don't have any money or identification and no means to work or eat, they get involved in criminal activities, committing assaults and robberies," Tijuana Councilman Alcide Beltrones Rivera said. "The moment they commit these acts here, it costs us to keep them in jail, to feed them and to clothe them."

U.S. to Baja California deportations Deportations* to Baja California have decreased steadily, according to Mexican immigration statistics.**
Criminal deportations to Baja California have increased, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

*A deportation means the case has gone before a U.S. immigration judge. Most migrants caught trying to cross the border waive their right to a hearing and are voluntarily returned to Mexico.




Tijuana and other border cities don't believe that's fair because the deportees, though Mexican citizens, often have little or no connection to those communities.

Some were brought illegally to the United States at a young age from Mexico's interior. Others have worked for years in the United States, where their children and families still live. In some cases, they obtained legal immigration status but put off acquiring U.S. citizenship.

The issue is one of many deportation and repatriation issues that Mexican officials are discussing with their U.S. counterparts.


More warning
Mexican officials want the United States to do a better job informing them of criminal deportations so they can arrest any migrants who have pending Mexican warrants and keep an eye on the rest.
U.S. authorities say they often notify Mexican officials but are working on improving the system. The challenge, they say, lies in coordinating their efforts with a vast array of U.S. correctional institutions.

Of the 161,000 inmates in California prisons, 18,500 are slated for deportation upon release, said Lauren Mack, spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. About 70 percent end up in Mexico.

Ronald Smith, who oversees detention and removal operations for the agency's San Diego office, said Mexico needs to take responsibility for its citizens.

"They can't be allowed to remain in our communities where they have the potential to commit even more crimes," he said.

Gutierrez already had a criminal record in the United States when he was convicted in 1993 of using a gun to steal money and jewelry from a couple, according to Los Angeles Superior Court records.

Gutierrez was sentenced to 15 years in prison and served about half of the sentence. He was deported from prison to Mexicali on Aug. 14, 2001, according to U.S. immigration records. He apparently re-entered the United States because the next record on Gutierrez shows he was deported again to Mexico on Nov. 13, 2002.

A few days later, he tried once more to cross into the United States at Calexico, but he was caught in the tighter border security after Sept. 11.

Gutierrez was a prime candidate for deportation, but the 1996 immigration law changes mean that people can be deported after being sentenced to just a year or more in prison. This includes people convicted of sexual abuse of a minor, domestic violence, drunken driving and drug and firearms possession.

As a result, the number of criminal deportees sent from the United States to all corners of the world rose from 29,072 in 1995 to 77,710 in 2003, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Meanwhile, the Sept. 11 attacks focused attention on the gaps in immigration enforcement within the United States. People who once might have slipped through the cracks began to be deported for immigration violations as well as criminal activities.

This year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement announced that it wants to deport more than 80,000 criminals who aren't in custody. The effort affects many people who served prison terms and were released into U.S. communities before the 1996 immigration law change. They are being targeted because the law is retroactive.

Many immigration attorneys believe violent criminals should be deported but worry the law is being applied to the extreme under the guise of protecting the country from terrorists. David Leopold, an attorney based in Cleveland, said he recently represented someone ordered deported for pulling his wife's hair during an argument.

"I think it's more of a numbers game to make the government look tough to the American public," he said.


Adrift in Tijuana
Although deporting people with criminal records is intended to make U.S. communities secure, the deportations have left Mexican border cities feeling unsafe.
An average of 26 felons are formally deported to Baja California each day, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, but the deportees arrive in Tijuana or Mexicali with little or no money, usually far from their hometowns.

Not all are gang members. This spring, Jose Arroyo Torres, 48, found his way to Tijuana's migrant shelter after being deported to Mexicali in March. He said he had just completed prison time for his second drunken-driving conviction.

Arroyo said he had lived in the United States since he was 18 and used to work at a Vista nursery. He said he obtained his legal residency status, which he no longer has, in 1985. He has a wife, from whom he is separated, and a 10-year-old daughter in the United States.

"I'm just trying to find my way around, but Tijuana has changed," he said. "I just want to find a job. I can work as a bricklayer or making clothes."

One of the immediate challenges faced by deportees is how to earn money.

Most Mexican employers require official identification such as a voter registration card. The shelter gives the deportees temporary identifications, which can help them get basic jobs. But after the cards expire in two weeks, the deportees are in a fix.

Obtaining a voter registration card requires documents that many criminal deportees no longer possess, such as a birth certificate.

The criminal deportees also face cultural challenges. Their tattoos scare off potential employers, and they get funny looks for speaking an urban street slang Spanish.

"Lots of them have been living in the United States since they were children, and they feel like they aren't wanted here or there," said Maria Teresa Sanchez Medrana, who oversees the Tijuana city department of migrant services. "Sometimes we have them meet with our psychologists."

In Gutierrez's case, according to Mexican court records, surviving in Mexico meant finding others like him. In Tijuana, he ran into Elias David Martinez Estrada, an L.A. gang member he recognized from his time in a California prison.

Nicknamed "The Ghost," Martinez belonged to a different L.A. gang, Gutierrez told Mexican police. But that didn't seem to matter in Tijuana.

Martinez took Gutierrez under his wing, providing him with food and setting him up in a seedy apartment near the tourist strip of Avenida Revolución. The entrance – a dark hallway separated from the street by a blue metal door – has been named "Alley of the Dead" by neighbors who say that drug overdoses and other violent acts are commonplace there.

Gutierrez became involved with a group that was selling drugs, according to several people who testified to police.

Baja California police say that on Sept. 15, 2003, Gutierrez killed Martinez and a woman, Angela Yudid Romero Rodriguez, in the apartment after an argument over a pair of tennis shoes got out of control. He was arrested this year by Mexican state investigators. They estimate that criminal deportees are involved in about 5 percent of the city's homicides.

Tijuana's city police, which conduct street patrols, have started to keep photo files of the criminal deportees they encounter.

Since last year, they have collected photos of more than 100 deportees, some from as far as Northern California and Las Vegas. Many sport intricate tattoos: an eagle on the back of one man's shaved head, gang names sprawled across a torso, and human figures etched on another's back.

"They think everyone should fear them," said Jose Alfredo Silva Perez, who oversees the Tijuana police department's anti-graffiti and gang unit. "They go around with their shirts off showing their tattoos, and sometimes if they are drugged they can be aggressive."

About 200 deported L.A. gang members have established their own gangs in at least seven neighborhoods, police said.

Police are worried they may tap into Tijuana's generally less-violent street gangs, which mostly get in trouble for tagging walls and property. They also suspect that deported U.S. gang members are being recruited by drug cartels and organized crime groups.


Attracting attention
Criminal deportees also have been accused in some of the city's recent high-profile crimes, although they don't always turn out to be the right targets.
When a police officer was killed and his police partner seriously wounded last year, city officials blamed the violence on criminal deportees.

One of the suspects had been repeatedly deported after being arrested for robbery and migrant smuggling in the United States, according to Mexican court records. He was released after authorities determined he had no connection to the police shooting.

Some doubt Gutierrez is guilty.

"They just want someone to be guilty so they can close their case," said Jose Luis Perez, 33, another criminal deportee, who said his mother brought him illegally to San Diego when he was 3.

Perez said he dropped out of Mission Bay High School in 11th grade and got in trouble with the law. The last time he was deported, in 2003, he stayed for a short time at the same apartment where Gutierrez lived.

Police regularly cruise by the apartment, which has no running water or plumbing, while people with dazed looks wander inside and leave with mysterious packages. Some neighbors believe police are demanding payoffs from the hotel's residents in exchange for leaving them alone, something police deny.

Perez, who has since moved to a hotel that is a slightly better place to live, said he has been surviving in Tijuana by doing odd jobs, such as electrical work and construction. On a good day, he said, he earns about $15. Some of that comes from selling drugs, he admitted, but he said he's trying to stay away from other trouble.

"The reason I stay here is that I don't want to have to do more time there (in the United States)," he said. "At least I'm free here, even though I don't know what will happen today or tomorrow."



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Postby youngspade » January 18th, 2010, 9:21 am

mayugastank wrote:FBI: Mexican Cartel Crime Linked To San Diego County
Lauren Reynolds
10News I-Team Reporter

POSTED: 2:47 pm PST November 6, 2008
UPDATED: 8:52 pm PST November 6, 2008

SAN DIEGO -- Mass murders to send messages to rivals, daytime shootouts near schools and lucrative and brutal kidnappings are recent occurrences in Tijuana that are a growing concern to San Diego's FBI office.

"The violence of these kidnappings is beyond what I have ever seen in my career," says Keith Slotter, Special Agent in Charge.

The bloody war between rival drug cartels in Tijuana can be felt north of the U.S.-Mexico border.


"Some of the violence, some of the organizational aspects that exist in Tijuana and Baja, has spilled over into the U.S., especially the San Diego area," admits Slotter.

He says the cartels' drug trade into the U.S. has slowed over the last year, replaced with more human trafficking, extortions and kidnappings.

"The concern of more kidnappings of more victims being kidnapped here and then the victims being brought south is always a huge concern to us, perhaps our biggest concern in the kidnapping area," says Slotter.

This year, 15 U.S. citizens or legal residents have been kidnapped by gangs linked to the cartels. Some have been killed, and others were traded for ransom.

"The ransoms vary, and sometimes it is for a lot of money," Slotter says.

Those participating in the cartel violence and business also have ties to the U.S.

"You've got the Mexican Mafia, a very powerful gang organization both south of the border and here in California, especially in the San Diego area," says Slotter.

Other sources in law enforcement tell the I-Team that about half the recent cartel members murdered in Tijuana were deported by the U.S. government after spending time in U.S. prisons.

"So gang operations within various prisons in the U.S. are very strong, alive, and well," says Slotter



















THIS ARTICLE STATES AT LEAST HALF TEH PEOPLE KILLED IN TJ DRUG WAR WERE DEPORTED US GANG MEMBERS -MOST SPENT TIME IN CALIFORNIA PRISONS AND A GOOD HANDFUL WERE PROBABALY EME CONNECTED SAFE TO SAY> THE EME IS A SERET ORGANIZATION SO ITS HARD TO FIND CASES WERE TEHIR IDENTITY IS ACTUALLY KNOWN UNLESS THEY SNITCH OR HAVE TATTOOS AFTER BEING FOUND DEAD



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mayugastank wrote:Deportees are linked to Mexico crime rate

Tijuana police blame U.S. felons for robberies, kidnappings and killings

By Anna Cearley
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September 12, 2004



PEGGY PEATTIE / Union-Tribune
A Mexican national with a criminal record in the United States was deported Thursday through a separate entrance at the San Ysidro border crossing. U.S. officials say the number of felons deported each year to Mexico has increased in recent years.



Criminal deportee now a shopkeeper



Edward Gutierrez grew up in a Los Angeles suburb where illegal immigrants come to raise their children in hopes of a better life. Gutierrez took a different path, joining a gang and getting in trouble with the law. At 20, he was sentenced to 15 years in prison for armed robbery.

Because Gutierrez is a Mexican citizen, the U.S. government deported him eight years later when he was released from custody. He ended up in Tijuana, and promptly became Mexico's problem.

Gutierrez, 31, now sits in a Mexican prison, accused of killing two people in a Tijuana apartment last year. One of the victims also was a deported L.A.-area gang member.

The heavily tattooed Gutierrez, known by his English nickname "Shy Boy," faces up to 50 years in prison if convicted. He declined requests for an interview but says he is innocent.

Mexican authorities in Baja California say they are disturbed by a trend they have noticed in recent years of more criminal deportees living in border communities. They blame some of these deportees, particularly L.A-area gang members, for contributing to Baja California's crime rate.

The number of felons deported each year to Tijuana and Mexicali has grown – from 6,300 in 1995 to 9,500 in 2003, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.



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Edward "Shy Boy" Gutierrez was deported and is now charged with killing two people in Tijuana.

The increase is due to 1996 immigration law changes, which widened the definition of which criminals could be deported, according to immigration attorneys and U.S. government officials.

But the recent observation by Mexican authorities also might be due to tighter border security since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. In the past, many deportees were able to quickly cross back into the United States by using their fluent English to talk their way in. Now it's not so easy, and many are deterred because felons can face up to 20 years in prison if caught trying to re-enter.

Once in Mexico, some of the criminal deportees try to eke out an honest living, but Tijuana police blame others for creating gangs and committing armed robberies, kidnappings and killings.

City officials say that even those who were convicted of lesser offenses such as drunken driving or shoplifting in the United States may be tempted to get into more serious trouble out of exasperation.

"Since they don't have any money or identification and no means to work or eat, they get involved in criminal activities, committing assaults and robberies," Tijuana Councilman Alcide Beltrones Rivera said. "The moment they commit these acts here, it costs us to keep them in jail, to feed them and to clothe them."

U.S. to Baja California deportations Deportations* to Baja California have decreased steadily, according to Mexican immigration statistics.**
Criminal deportations to Baja California have increased, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

*A deportation means the case has gone before a U.S. immigration judge. Most migrants caught trying to cross the border waive their right to a hearing and are voluntarily returned to Mexico.




Tijuana and other border cities don't believe that's fair because the deportees, though Mexican citizens, often have little or no connection to those communities.

Some were brought illegally to the United States at a young age from Mexico's interior. Others have worked for years in the United States, where their children and families still live. In some cases, they obtained legal immigration status but put off acquiring U.S. citizenship.

The issue is one of many deportation and repatriation issues that Mexican officials are discussing with their U.S. counterparts.


More warning
Mexican officials want the United States to do a better job informing them of criminal deportations so they can arrest any migrants who have pending Mexican warrants and keep an eye on the rest.
U.S. authorities say they often notify Mexican officials but are working on improving the system. The challenge, they say, lies in coordinating their efforts with a vast array of U.S. correctional institutions.

Of the 161,000 inmates in California prisons, 18,500 are slated for deportation upon release, said Lauren Mack, spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. About 70 percent end up in Mexico.

Ronald Smith, who oversees detention and removal operations for the agency's San Diego office, said Mexico needs to take responsibility for its citizens.

"They can't be allowed to remain in our communities where they have the potential to commit even more crimes," he said.

Gutierrez already had a criminal record in the United States when he was convicted in 1993 of using a gun to steal money and jewelry from a couple, according to Los Angeles Superior Court records.

Gutierrez was sentenced to 15 years in prison and served about half of the sentence. He was deported from prison to Mexicali on Aug. 14, 2001, according to U.S. immigration records. He apparently re-entered the United States because the next record on Gutierrez shows he was deported again to Mexico on Nov. 13, 2002.

A few days later, he tried once more to cross into the United States at Calexico, but he was caught in the tighter border security after Sept. 11.

Gutierrez was a prime candidate for deportation, but the 1996 immigration law changes mean that people can be deported after being sentenced to just a year or more in prison. This includes people convicted of sexual abuse of a minor, domestic violence, drunken driving and drug and firearms possession.

As a result, the number of criminal deportees sent from the United States to all corners of the world rose from 29,072 in 1995 to 77,710 in 2003, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Meanwhile, the Sept. 11 attacks focused attention on the gaps in immigration enforcement within the United States. People who once might have slipped through the cracks began to be deported for immigration violations as well as criminal activities.

This year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement announced that it wants to deport more than 80,000 criminals who aren't in custody. The effort affects many people who served prison terms and were released into U.S. communities before the 1996 immigration law change. They are being targeted because the law is retroactive.

Many immigration attorneys believe violent criminals should be deported but worry the law is being applied to the extreme under the guise of protecting the country from terrorists. David Leopold, an attorney based in Cleveland, said he recently represented someone ordered deported for pulling his wife's hair during an argument.

"I think it's more of a numbers game to make the government look tough to the American public," he said.


Adrift in Tijuana
Although deporting people with criminal records is intended to make U.S. communities secure, the deportations have left Mexican border cities feeling unsafe.
An average of 26 felons are formally deported to Baja California each day, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, but the deportees arrive in Tijuana or Mexicali with little or no money, usually far from their hometowns.

Not all are gang members. This spring, Jose Arroyo Torres, 48, found his way to Tijuana's migrant shelter after being deported to Mexicali in March. He said he had just completed prison time for his second drunken-driving conviction.

Arroyo said he had lived in the United States since he was 18 and used to work at a Vista nursery. He said he obtained his legal residency status, which he no longer has, in 1985. He has a wife, from whom he is separated, and a 10-year-old daughter in the United States.

"I'm just trying to find my way around, but Tijuana has changed," he said. "I just want to find a job. I can work as a bricklayer or making clothes."

One of the immediate challenges faced by deportees is how to earn money.

Most Mexican employers require official identification such as a voter registration card. The shelter gives the deportees temporary identifications, which can help them get basic jobs. But after the cards expire in two weeks, the deportees are in a fix.

Obtaining a voter registration card requires documents that many criminal deportees no longer possess, such as a birth certificate.

The criminal deportees also face cultural challenges. Their tattoos scare off potential employers, and they get funny looks for speaking an urban street slang Spanish.

"Lots of them have been living in the United States since they were children, and they feel like they aren't wanted here or there," said Maria Teresa Sanchez Medrana, who oversees the Tijuana city department of migrant services. "Sometimes we have them meet with our psychologists."

In Gutierrez's case, according to Mexican court records, surviving in Mexico meant finding others like him. In Tijuana, he ran into Elias David Martinez Estrada, an L.A. gang member he recognized from his time in a California prison.

Nicknamed "The Ghost," Martinez belonged to a different L.A. gang, Gutierrez told Mexican police. But that didn't seem to matter in Tijuana.

Martinez took Gutierrez under his wing, providing him with food and setting him up in a seedy apartment near the tourist strip of Avenida Revolución. The entrance – a dark hallway separated from the street by a blue metal door – has been named "Alley of the Dead" by neighbors who say that drug overdoses and other violent acts are commonplace there.

Gutierrez became involved with a group that was selling drugs, according to several people who testified to police.

Baja California police say that on Sept. 15, 2003, Gutierrez killed Martinez and a woman, Angela Yudid Romero Rodriguez, in the apartment after an argument over a pair of tennis shoes got out of control. He was arrested this year by Mexican state investigators. They estimate that criminal deportees are involved in about 5 percent of the city's homicides.

Tijuana's city police, which conduct street patrols, have started to keep photo files of the criminal deportees they encounter.

Since last year, they have collected photos of more than 100 deportees, some from as far as Northern California and Las Vegas. Many sport intricate tattoos: an eagle on the back of one man's shaved head, gang names sprawled across a torso, and human figures etched on another's back.

"They think everyone should fear them," said Jose Alfredo Silva Perez, who oversees the Tijuana police department's anti-graffiti and gang unit. "They go around with their shirts off showing their tattoos, and sometimes if they are drugged they can be aggressive."

About 200 deported L.A. gang members have established their own gangs in at least seven neighborhoods, police said.

Police are worried they may tap into Tijuana's generally less-violent street gangs, which mostly get in trouble for tagging walls and property. They also suspect that deported U.S. gang members are being recruited by drug cartels and organized crime groups.


Attracting attention
Criminal deportees also have been accused in some of the city's recent high-profile crimes, although they don't always turn out to be the right targets.
When a police officer was killed and his police partner seriously wounded last year, city officials blamed the violence on criminal deportees.

One of the suspects had been repeatedly deported after being arrested for robbery and migrant smuggling in the United States, according to Mexican court records. He was released after authorities determined he had no connection to the police shooting.

Some doubt Gutierrez is guilty.

"They just want someone to be guilty so they can close their case," said Jose Luis Perez, 33, another criminal deportee, who said his mother brought him illegally to San Diego when he was 3.

Perez said he dropped out of Mission Bay High School in 11th grade and got in trouble with the law. The last time he was deported, in 2003, he stayed for a short time at the same apartment where Gutierrez lived.

Police regularly cruise by the apartment, which has no running water or plumbing, while people with dazed looks wander inside and leave with mysterious packages. Some neighbors believe police are demanding payoffs from the hotel's residents in exchange for leaving them alone, something police deny.

Perez, who has since moved to a hotel that is a slightly better place to live, said he has been surviving in Tijuana by doing odd jobs, such as electrical work and construction. On a good day, he said, he earns about $15. Some of that comes from selling drugs, he admitted, but he said he's trying to stay away from other trouble.

"The reason I stay here is that I don't want to have to do more time there (in the United States)," he said. "At least I'm free here, even though I don't know what will happen today or tomorrow."



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You see these articles are a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Yes gang members that get deported commit crimes in Mexico but that has nothing to do with cartel business. The people those gang members killed never had anything to with drug cartels, hell a lot of times its just taking their rivalries to Mexico. They usually end up killing deportees like themselves and people connected to them like their girlfriends, like article you posted showed. So let me ask you this, WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH CARTEL BUSINESS? Nothing, not a fucking thing. What you are doing is making all these speculation you have, that you made up in your brain, and trying to make it reality. When you and that article said that many gang members from the US get killed in Tijuana it didn't surprise but its usually between other gang members in the US doing it to each other.

And you keep doing the same shit, posting old articles about even older cases. Popeye Araujo same thing as Bat when they found them neither of them held any position in the Arellano Felix Organization. You mistake a loose affiliation with the Arellanos with actually being part of them. Popeye Barron was the only one you mentioned that had any status in the Arellano brothers, right after he died EME did not have very close contact with them. Gustavo Rivera Martinez was never in EME I honestly think you got your people confused, but most importantly he was NEVER AT ANY MOMENT thought of the to be a contender for leadership of the Tijuana cartel. That reporter that wrote that article must not be too familiar with the cartels in Mexico because Gustavo had no where near the rank that article was giving him.

I am not denying that Surneno/EME hoods and people are in Tijuana doing things for the Cartel but they are not apart of them. Those are two totally different things you are not understanding. Especially if they grew up on the border and have friends and relatives in Tijuana you are going to move around both the US and Mexico much easier. If you happen to have relatives and friends that are associated with the Arellanos they could hook you up. That's usually how it happens. EME or any other hood working in Tijuana are at the complete mercy of the Arellanos. You could not do anything without their permission, not so much now because other cartels are invading but definitely in the 90s. Law enforcement pump up the importance of EME on this side of the border because its a way for them to get more recognition and more money for their department. But in Mexico if you ask about EME they will look at you like what the fuck is that?
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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby Coup » January 18th, 2010, 4:32 pm

I am reading it differently....I know that you are trying to connect them, but I am back to them pressing the cartels for a place at the big Mexican table...it was known about deported eses setting up shop in TJ...Mexico...cartels are not stupid...each deported ese is a new connect to LA...new buyers/dealers to work with.

I still think eme tried to press the cartels....they had a few gunners in their ranks in Mexico...knew they had dedicated connects across the border...probably learned enough about their business that they could press on both ends....shit didnt work and the Mexicans let the feds handle them....SD is KNOWN to have topshelf shit....connects are a hop skip jump away....SD eme shotcallers got the game on lock in the sur hoods.

Mayuga...is this what you are getting at? I dont see the prison cats running shit with the cartels...but I see them being the brokers and taking a big piece of the business the surs in SD are making....shit that alone makes them brokers. And it makes more sense.
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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby mayugastank » January 18th, 2010, 6:34 pm

Coup wrote:I am reading it differently....I know that you are trying to connect them, but I am back to them pressing the cartels for a place at the big Mexican table...it was known about deported eses setting up shop in TJ...Mexico...cartels are not stupid...each deported ese is a new connect to LA...new buyers/dealers to work with.

I still think eme tried to press the cartels....they had a few gunners in their ranks in Mexico...knew they had dedicated connects across the border...probably learned enough about their business that they could press on both ends....shit didnt work and the Mexicans let the feds handle them....SD is KNOWN to have topshelf shit....connects are a hop skip jump away....SD eme shotcallers got the game on lock in the sur hoods.

Mayuga...is this what you are getting at? I dont see the prison cats running shit with the cartels...but I see them being the brokers and taking a big piece of the business the surs in SD are making....shit that alone makes them brokers. And it makes more sense.




What I am getting at coup is the connections they have -irregardless of what mjmc says Popeye Araujo was a big eme connect in TJ. He was in several books like twilight on the line and was talked about in great deal in most AFO books or documentarys he wasnt just some dude hanging around the Arellanos, dude owned a few ranches and mansions and tried to extort Chapo Guzman connects thru EME contacts in LA. The other guy Gustavo is an EME member very active since at least 1995. The most notorious murders of the 1990s were committed by eme hit squads. Being that close to t he border and having so much connection to deportees makes collaboration inevitable.
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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby mnjmc » January 19th, 2010, 2:30 am

mayugastank wrote:
Coup wrote:I am reading it differently....I know that you are trying to connect them, but I am back to them pressing the cartels for a place at the big Mexican table...it was known about deported eses setting up shop in TJ...Mexico...cartels are not stupid...each deported ese is a new connect to LA...new buyers/dealers to work with.

I still think eme tried to press the cartels....they had a few gunners in their ranks in Mexico...knew they had dedicated connects across the border...probably learned enough about their business that they could press on both ends....shit didnt work and the Mexicans let the feds handle them....SD is KNOWN to have topshelf shit....connects are a hop skip jump away....SD eme shotcallers got the game on lock in the sur hoods.

Mayuga...is this what you are getting at? I dont see the prison cats running shit with the cartels...but I see them being the brokers and taking a big piece of the business the surs in SD are making....shit that alone makes them brokers. And it makes more sense.




What I am getting at coup is the connections they have -irregardless of what mjmc says Popeye Araujo was a big eme connect in TJ. He was in several books like twilight on the line and was talked about in great deal in most AFO books or documentarys he wasnt just some dude hanging around the Arellanos, dude owned a few ranches and mansions and tried to extort Chapo Guzman connects thru EME contacts in LA. The other guy Gustavo is an EME member very active since at least 1995. The most notorious murders of the 1990s were committed by eme hit squads. Being that close to t he border and having so much connection to deportees makes collaboration inevitable.


Gustavo was not an EME member. And the only famous hit EME committed was a fuck up when they killed the Cardinal, or if the Cardinal was killed on purpose EME were the fall guys, because when EME was there they thought they were trying to kill Chapo. Some of the other hits you mentioned weren't even carried out by EME but by the Juniors.

I never denied that EME had connections to the Arellanos or that they did work for the them either. In all the articles you posted did you ever realize that other than all the EME people connected to the Arellanos are all in prison already they have another thing in common, THEY ALL WERE FOLLOWING ORDERS FROM THE ARELLANOS. EME did not do what they wanted, they were told what to do. If EME members ever tried the Arellanos too hard the AFO would of killed off EME in Tijuana.

EME were only part of their enforcement team. And their favorite hitman was not Popeye Barron it was Fabian Martinez Gonzalez el Tiburon.

Now outside of the whole Popeye Barron's crew who in the fuck did EME have out there in Tijuana? All the articles you post that have a legitimate connection with EME and the Arellanos goes back to Barron. These days all of his crew are all locked up, what EME had in Tijuana in the 90s is gone.

LAST FUCKING TIME. IN THE YEAR 2010 DOES EME HAVE A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ARELLANOS?

DO NOT BRING UP OUTDATED CASES.

DON'T TRY AND PULL THAT BS ABOUT EME BEING A SECRET ORGANIZATION THEREFORE ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW. AS MUCH AS YOU KNOW IT'S CLEAR EME AINT SO SECRET.
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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby Coup » January 19th, 2010, 2:38 pm

mnjmc is on mayuga's bumper.... :lol:

I see where Mayuga is going with his posts though...he is generalizing but there is a connection there....small but there
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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby mayugastank » January 20th, 2010, 2:02 am

Coup wrote:mnjmc is on mayuga's bumper.... :lol:

I see where Mayuga is going with his posts though...he is generalizing but there is a connection there....small but there




I enjoy it coup/....but he is acting like a homo riding my ass. If he wants to ride let him ride the investigative reporters and FBI who time and time again -have extradited EME members hiding in Mexico -with help form the Arellanos and their connects to SD sureno varrios. The last guy TORO HERNANDEZ who caught a case in the valley was caught up in TJ -hiding with another well known hitman from the Arellanos. Another thing --Popeye BArron was related to teh Arellanos-so not only do they work together -thru him they had blood relations. GUSTAVO is an EME member. 100% verifiable he was present at the videotaped meetings on 2 occasions that brought down the EME in the mid 90s. I dont get this guy. HE hasnt touched on POPEYE ARAUJO who POPEYE BARRON was named after. POPEYE ARAUJO was just caught in 2008. HE IS A WELL KNOWN EME SOLDADO. PERIOD. If he is saying no connections exist well now that is just wrong. If he is saying no big murders were committed well that is just lunacy.....

FAMOUS EME HITS IN MEXICO.

THE CARDINAL

BLANCOCORNELAS--a murder discussed ALL OVER THE WORLD --for its affect on journalism
SEVERAL POLICE CAPTAINS AND POLICE OFFICERS
SEVERAL ARMY NATIONAL GUARDSMEN
SEVERAL BIG TIME ADVERSARIES TO THE ARELLANOS.......
MORE TO COME............
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Postby mayugastank » January 20th, 2010, 2:06 am

Coup wrote:mnjmc is on mayuga's bumper.... :lol:

I see where Mayuga is going with his posts though...he is generalizing but there is a connection there....small but there



Mexico arrests cartel member with ties to shooting
New York, March 17, 2008—Mexican federal police arrested a member of the Arellano Félix drug cartel on Saturday on suspicion of involvement in the 1997 shooting of Zeta Editor Jesús J. Blancornelas.

Federal police officers arrested Saúl Montes de Oca Morlett in the tourist city of San Felipe, Baja California, as he was getting ready to participate in a car race, according to a statement issued by the federal Secretary of Public Security. Montes de Oca, known as “El Ciego” (The Blind Man), was wanted for drug trafficking and kidnapping. Police also believe he was involved in the attack on Blancornelas, founder and editor of the weekly Tijuana-based magazine Zeta,the statement said. The editor survived the shooting, but was gravely wounded.

“We are monitoring the progress of the case against Sául Montes de Oca Morlett and look forward to having the opportunity to review the evidence against him,” said CPJ Executive Director Joel Simon.

Montes de Oca has not publicly responded to the allegations against him, and the special prosecutor for press crimes was unable to provide contact information for Montes de Oca’s lawyer immediately.

Adela Navarro Bello, Zeta’s general director, told CPJ that the magazine’s staff did not have previous knowledge of Montes de Oca’s alleged involvement in the 1997 attack. However, Navarro said she hoped his arrest was an indication that the investigation by Mexican authorities into the attack against Blancornelas was moving forward. Montes de Oca has not yet been charged in the case.

On Tuesday, federal authorities arrested Gustavo Rivera Martínez, another high-ranking member of the Arellano Félix cartel as part of President Felipe Calderón’s administration’s crackdown on drug trafficking, according to Mexican and international press reports. In January, Alfredo Araujo Avila, a top hit man for the Arellano Félix cartel known as “Popeye,” was also arrested. Authorities are also investigating his involvement in the Blancornelas shooting, said international news reports. According to Navarro, Araujo is still in police custody but there is no word on the state of the investigation.

The attack against Blancornelas was prompted by an investigative piece in Zeta describing how the Arellano Félix cartel recruited gunmen from violent street gangs in San Diego’s Barrio Logan neighborhood. The leader of the Barrio Logan assassins was a veteran gangster named David Barron Corona, who earned the Arellano Félix family’s loyalty by saving two of the brothers from an ambush. Blancornelas published an article identifying Barron Corona as one of the top cartel enforcers.

A few weeks later, Barron Corona and a team of assassins ambushed Blancornelas while he was on his way to work. The assassination attempt failed only because Barron Corona was killed by one of his own gunmen when a bullet ricocheted and struck him in the eye.

Blancornelas died of natural causes in November 2006.
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I see where Mayuga is going with his posts though...he is generalizing but there is a connection there....small but there



MEXICO CITY, Dec. 2— When authorities examined the corpse of the killer who died in an attack on a prominent Mexican journalist, they found that he had turned much of his body into a menacing homage to death, with dozens of tattoos portraying blood and bones.

Fourteen skulls etched into his midriff and shoulders, investigators say, appear to have enumerated his victims.

The hit man, David Barron Corona, 34, led a group of young Hispanic toughs who started in crime by selling marijuana and amphetamines on California street corners, developed a taste for murder in years of drive-by shootings, and after establishing contacts with Mexican traffickers blossomed into a ruthless new breed of cross-border assassin.

Mr. Barron died on Thursday when a bullet fired by one of his fellow killers hit him in the left eye during their ambush of Jesus Blancornelas, editor of the muckraking Tijuana weekly Zeta, in Tijuana. Mr. Blancornelas's assistant was killed in the attack.

Although Mr. Barron's story is dramatic, he is by no means unique, an American anti-drug agent said. Mexican traffickers have been recruiting gang members in cities all along the 2,000-mile border to work as henchmen in Mexico, he said.

The agent described these gang members as ''hard-core, violence-prone'' criminals who speak both English and Spanish and have access to weapons. ''They'll do anything for money,'' the agent said.

''It's the same thing in El Paso-Juarez,'' he added, referring to the metropolitan area that straddles the border between Texas and the Mexican state of Chihuahua. ''They kill on one side of the river and hide on the other. That's why the border is as much a mirror of what is happening in the United States as it is of Mexico.''

Mr. Blancornelas, who was hit by several bullets, has twice undergone surgery since the attack. Surgeons successfully removed a bullet lodged next to his spine on Saturday, and he has regained consciousness and begun speaking and eating solid food, said Genoveva Blancornelas, his wife, in a phone interview from Tijuana on Monday.

Mr. Barron was born in Tijuana to naturalized United States citizens, and his family emigrated in 1970 to San Diego. According to criminal records obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune, Mr. Barron was arrested when he was 16 for shooting to death a man who had urinated on his car. For that crime he spent time in a reform school near San Francisco and later in San Quentin Prison.

In 1987, he was convicted of burglary and possession of an M-16 assault rifle, and in 1990 of drunken driving, said Sgt. Andreas Rios, of the San Diego Police Department. Mr. Barron served three years of a five-year sentence for burglary in a California penitentiary, where he appears to have joined the ''Mexican Mafia,'' a prison-based gang, Mr. Rios said. At his death, Mr. Barron's midriff was emblazoned with a large tattooed EME, the Spanish letter M, apparently a reference to the Mexican Mafia.

When exactly Mr. Barron made the acquaintance of Ramon Arellano Felix, one of the brothers who control the Tijuana cartel, is not clear. But he appears to have earned Mr. Arellano's enduring trust in November 1992, when Mr. Arellano was pinned down in the restroom of a disco in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, during an attack by gunmen from a rival drug mafia.

Mr. Barron helped Mr. Arellano escape through the disco's air-conditioning ducts, American officials said.

After that experience, Mr. Arellano assigned Mr. Barron to recruit cartel gunmen from among gang associates in San Diego, according to a United States prosecutor who discussed Mr. Barron in a 1995 interview.

''When the traffickers wanted to send hit squads into Mexico, Barron would assemble the group and dispatch them to their targets,'' the prosecutor said. The gang members were paid weekly retainers and given bonuses of thousands of dollars for specific jobs, the prosecutor said.

Mr. Barron recruited gang members for an attack on one of the Arellanos' rivals in May 1993. That operation degenerated into a furious firefight at the Guadalajara airport and left a Roman Catholic Cardinal dead in the crossfire, said Alejandro Hodoyan, an Arellano lieutenant who was arrested last year and described the workings of the cartel to Mexican investigators. He referred to Mr. Barron by his alias, C.H.

''They assigned me to bring guys from San Diego for that operation, and I passed the job to C.H.,'' Mr. Hodoyan said. ''That was a mistake. Ramon's people don't use drugs -- nothing. They just drink sometimes when Ramon lets them. But C.H.'s guys are from the other side, they're crazy, they inject heroine, cocaine, anything. And during that operation several of them were stoned.''

Mr. Barron moved to Tijuana in 1990, but maintained a residence in San Diego, where he frequently visited his parents, a San Diego police officer said before Mr. Barron's death. ''He comes and goes as he pleases in San Diego,'' the officer said. ''People are petrified of this guy and his propensity for violence.''

Attorney General Jorge Madrazo said that investigators believe the attack on Mr. Blancornelas was in revenge for an article in the Nov. 21. issue of Zeta that accused Mr. Barron of assassinating two soldiers commissioned as federal agents as they sat in a Chevrolet Suburban outside Tijuana's Federal courts.

-------------------- Homes Raided in Mexico

Apparently in response to the attack on Mr. Blancornelas, soldiers from elite Mexican Army units and federal police agents yesterday raided some 50 homes and businesses around Baja California State that were believed to have been used by members of the Arellano Felix gang.

A federal police spokeswoman said that several people had been detained, but that none had yet been charged. One of those, Mario Lopez Mora, carried identification as a police official in the neighboring state of Sonora.

Ceding to public pressure, the Baja Governor, Hector Teran, also replaced the state Attorney General, Jose Luis Anaya Bautista.

Some colleagues and relatives of Mr. Blancornelas had accused Mr. Anaya publicly of bearing some responsibility for the shooting. They said that about a month ago, Mr. Anaya had suddenly and without explanation withdrawn two state police bodyguards who had been assigned to Mr. Blancornelas after two of his estranged former associates were slain in Tijuana last spring.

In a statement, the Governor attributed Mr. Anaya's replacement to ''social conditions that obtain in the state and that require natural adjustments in the government team.''

Although Mr. Anaya had been accused by one of the Arellanos' captured associates of collaborating with the traffickers, Mr. Teran praised him for his ''dedication, prudence and institutional loyalty.''

Photos: Investigators in Tijuana examining the Ford Explorer in which Jesus Blancornelas was severely wounded on Nov. 27, top (John Gibbons/The San Diego Union-Tribune), and the scene of the shooting, where one of the attackers, David Barron Corona, was killed. (Reuters)

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Coup wrote:mnjmc is on mayuga's bumper.... :lol:

I see where Mayuga is going with his posts though...he is generalizing but there is a connection there....small but there




Attorney General Jorge Madrazo said that investigators believe the attack on Mr. Blancornelas was in revenge for an article in the Nov. 21. issue of Zeta that accused Mr. Barron of assassinating two soldiers commissioned as federal agents as they sat in a Chevrolet Suburban outside Tijuana's Federal courts.
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Postby mayugastank » January 20th, 2010, 2:20 am

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Coup wrote:I am reading it differently....I know that you are trying to connect them, but I am back to them pressing the cartels for a place at the big Mexican table...it was known about deported eses setting up shop in TJ...Mexico...cartels are not stupid...each deported ese is a new connect to LA...new buyers/dealers to work with.

I still think eme tried to press the cartels....they had a few gunners in their ranks in Mexico...knew they had dedicated connects across the border...probably learned enough about their business that they could press on both ends....shit didnt work and the Mexicans let the feds handle them....SD is KNOWN to have topshelf shit....connects are a hop skip jump away....SD eme shotcallers got the game on lock in the sur hoods.

Mayuga...is this what you are getting at? I dont see the prison cats running shit with the cartels...but I see them being the brokers and taking a big piece of the business the surs in SD are making....shit that alone makes them brokers. And it makes more sense.




What I am getting at coup is the connections they have -irregardless of what mjmc says Popeye Araujo was a big eme connect in TJ. He was in several books like twilight on the line and was talked about in great deal in most AFO books or documentarys he wasnt just some dude hanging around the Arellanos, dude owned a few ranches and mansions and tried to extort Chapo Guzman connects thru EME contacts in LA. The other guy Gustavo is an EME member very active since at least 1995. The most notorious murders of the 1990s were committed by eme hit squads. Being that close to t he border and having so much connection to deportees makes collaboration inevitable.


Gustavo was not an EME member. And the only famous hit EME committed was a fu-- up when they killed the Cardinal, or if the Cardinal was killed on purpose EME were the fall guys, because when EME was there they thought they were trying to kill Chapo. Some of the other hits you mentioned weren't even carried out by EME but by the Juniors.

I never denied that EME had connections to the Arellanos or that they did work for the them either. In all the articles you posted did you ever realize that other than all the EME people connected to the Arellanos are all in prison already they have another thing in common, THEY ALL WERE FOLLOWING ORDERS FROM THE ARELLANOS. EME did not do what they wanted, they were told what to do. If EME members ever tried the Arellanos too hard the AFO would of killed off EME in Tijuana.

EME were only part of their enforcement team. And their favorite hitman was not Popeye Barron it was Fabian Martinez Gonzalez el Tiburon.

Now outside of the whole Popeye Barron's crew who in the fu-- did EME have out there in Tijuana? All the articles you post that have a legitimate connection with EME and the Arellanos goes back to Barron. These days all of his crew are all locked up, what EME had in Tijuana in the 90s is gone.

LAST #%@&#%@ TIME. IN THE YEAR 2010 DOES EME HAVE A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ARELLANOS?

DO NOT BRING UP OUTDATED CASES.

DON'T TRY AND PULL THAT BS ABOUT EME BEING A SECRET ORGANIZATION THEREFORE ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW. AS MUCH AS YOU KNOW IT'S CLEAR EME AINT SO SECRET.





LAST FUCKING TIME DIPSHIT HOW DO WE KNOW IF THEY DO OR DONT ?? POPEYE ARAUJO IS A WELL VERIFIED EME MEMBER HE WAS ARRESTED IN 2008> DO YOU THINK THIS GUY WAS JUST SITTING BACK AND NOT IN THE MIX ANYMORE??DO YOU THINK HE WASNT RECRUITING?HE HAD TIES AND A REAL CLOSE RELATIONSHIP TO THE ARELLANOS GOING BACK @ DECADES. NOT ONLY WAS HE CLOSE TO THEM THEIR AT ONE POINT WASNT ANYONE CLOSER!IF HE WOULDVE BEEN DISLOYAL OR FALLEN OUT OF GOOD GRACES WITH THEM HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD.BUT HE WAS CAUGHT UP IN 2008 WITH HIGH RANKING AFO CONNECTIONS DUMBASS.HOW THE HELL DO WE KNOW WHO IS WHO WHEN DAVID BARRON CORONA WASNT KNOWN AS AN EME SOLDADO UNITIL HE WAS DEAD AND FOUND WITH EME TATTOOS HE HAD BEEN WITH THEM FOR A DECADE BEFORE THAT >>>>>>
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Postby mnjmc » January 20th, 2010, 3:19 am

mayugastank wrote:LAST #%@&#%@ TIME DIPSHIT HOW DO WE KNOW IF THEY DO OR DONT ?? POPEYE ARAUJO IS A WELL VERIFIED EME MEMBER HE WAS ARRESTED IN 2008> DO YOU THINK THIS GUY WAS JUST SITTING BACK AND NOT IN THE MIX ANYMORE??DO YOU THINK HE WASNT RECRUITING?HE HAD TIES AND A REAL CLOSE RELATIONSHIP TO THE ARELLANOS GOING BACK @ DECADES. NOT ONLY WAS HE CLOSE TO THEM THEIR AT ONE POINT WASNT ANYONE CLOSER!IF HE WOULDVE BEEN DISLOYAL OR FALLEN OUT OF GOOD GRACES WITH THEM HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD.BUT HE WAS CAUGHT UP IN 2008 WITH HIGH RANKING AFO CONNECTIONS DUMBASS.HOW THE HELL DO WE KNOW WHO IS WHO WHEN DAVID BARRON CORONA WASNT KNOWN AS AN EME SOLDADO UNITIL HE WAS DEAD AND FOUND WITH EME TATTOOS HE HAD BEEN WITH THEM FOR A DECADE BEFORE THAT >>>>>>


Exactly you can't find a thing on EME doing shit with the Arellanos these days. All you got is bunch of wishful thinking, for some deranged reason you are hoping EME is more involved than what they are. Must be because you don't want to look stupid for all that shit talking you were doing in other threads pumping up EME.

You are still speculating. You don't know what the hell Araujo was doing hiding around all those years, but in your mind you made up this story of him having the position Barron had which is a thing of the pass. Araujo was the same thing as Bat, a burned out hit man whose heyday was long behind him. Arellanos would not have killed him because he was not a threat and he was still being used to do some low lever shit like Bat which was guard a stash houses. Bat and Araujo were burned out by the time they caught them.

Can you even name the main hit men for el Ingeniero nowadays, they have been the same people for years already and none of them have anything to do with EME. None of the inner circle of the Arellanos new generation have any connection with EME. One of the reasons the EME had a close ties to the Arellanos back then is because what happened in Puerto Vallarta. Now the people he helped out in that shootout are dead or in prison, Ramon got killed and Benjamin is in Prison. El Inge was no real connection to EME and no reason to be close to them.

Then only time EME and the Arellanos had a close relationship was when Barron was alive. When he died and the old guard of the Arellanos either died went to prison, much like Barrons crew, EME and the AFO never had a close relationship ever again. Today EME and the AFO have a loose association but are not directly connected to the Arellanos. And even when they were close the the highest Barron ever rose was leader of a hit squad, which is one step above guarding stash houses.

Oh and other things you got wrong

FAMOUS EME HITS IN MEXICO.

THE CARDINAL- A mistake, they where supposed to kill El Chapo if you believe the official story.

BLANCOCORNELAS--a murder discussed ALL OVER THE WORLD --for its affect on journalism You idiot he was not killed he died of natural causes in 2006 EME killed his body guard, Blancornelas survived and Barron was killed by accident

SEVERAL POLICE CAPTAINS AND POLICE OFFICERS That is common in Mexico and like I said before a lot of the murders were committed by the Juniors not EME, EME are JUST ONE OF THEIR HIT SQUADS THE AFO HAD PLENTY OF THEM

SEVERAL ARMY NATIONAL GUARDSMEN Same shit, its common in Mexico and a lot of those were killed by people of another hit squad

SEVERAL BIG TIME ADVERSARIES TO THE ARELLANOS....... None of the big time adversaries of the Arellanos were killed by EME or anyone else working for the Arellenos, people working for their adversaries yes but never BIG TIME adversaries, last time I checked el Chapo is still a alive.
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Postby mayugastank » January 20th, 2010, 2:06 pm

NO SHIT BLANCOCORNELAS DIED OF NATURAL CAUSES..man you are a stupid fucking paisa aint you? you cant even hold an argument without resulting to personal attacks and insults just like a dumb ass mojado. freaking cherry picker trying to act like AL CAPONE...what made Mexico so vicious was the recruitment of chicanos from all over Arizona -Texas-CAlifornia./ a paisa aint about shit besides trying to act chicano! trying to be thugs and dont know how to make it look right buying your freaking jerseys at the korean store and writing SUR 13 on the wall with a wahable marker! slicking back your hair and ,hiking up your pants cuz thats how CHOLOS in the movies look ----I freaking cant stand you WABS...Take a look at the roster of the juarez cartel and tell me it aint FULL of people from Texas EME and Texas Syndicate --Hermanos Pistoleros and El PASO tip , Tri City Bombers. The 2 famous hitmen teenagers in Texas were both members of the TCB......Dudes all over the place --chicano gang bangers pulling murders, ,moving weight , becoming top dogs. It just aint in CAlifornia FOOL! MS and tons of others being caught up in the upper echeleons of the gulf cartel, the zetas, carrillo -fuentes organization , sinaloa cartel....etc etc . Your lame ass doesnt know diddly! Why dont you go pay 50 dollars to go get sucked off like all you desperate ass mojoz do , millions of dollars from slanging and having to pay for coochie cuz you dont got any style besides teh one you guys copy from chicanos and try to play as your own- I hate freaking WABS. They all get ignorant like you while at the same time claiming PAISAs are down ! what a freaking joke if it werent for chicanos , everyone would hate Mexicans. You Guys give us a bad name you feraking orange slanging sucker, claiming that hey at least its an honest living while standing outside HOME DEPOT. Get the phug outta here. You MOJOS arent shit without chicanos you dumb ass border brother.
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Postby mayugastank » January 20th, 2010, 2:11 pm

Coup wrote:mnjmc is on mayuga's bumper.... :lol:

I see where Mayuga is going with his posts though...he is generalizing but there is a connection there....small but there

MJMC is a stupid ass paisa, he is a hairnet wearing ,korean store swapmeet buying, switch blade pocket comb having,orange slanging, cherry picking , short and dark looking . unibrow having , cross eyed looking, gold teeth having , little girl fucking , standing outside high school at 35 being, inbred fawking mojo. They should just deport his ass
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Postby mnjmc » January 21st, 2010, 1:36 am

mayugastank wrote:NO SHIT BLANCOCORNELAS DIED OF NATURAL CAUSES..man you are a stupid #%@&#%@ paisa aint you? you cant even hold an argument without resulting to personal attacks and insults just like a dumb ass mojado. freaking cherry picker trying to act like AL CAPONE...what made Mexico so vicious was the recruitment of chicanos from all over Arizona -Texas-CAlifornia./ a paisa aint about shit besides trying to act chicano! trying to be thugs and dont know how to make it look right buying your freaking jerseys at the korean store and writing SUR 13 on the wall with a wahable marker! slicking back your hair and ,hiking up your pants because thats how CHOLOS in the movies look ----I freaking cant stand you WABS...Take a look at the roster of the juarez cartel and tell me it aint FULL of people from Texas EME and Texas Syndicate --Hermanos Pistoleros and El PASO tip , Tri City Bombers. The 2 famous hitmen teenagers in Texas were both members of the TCB......Dudes all over the place --chicano gang bangers pulling murders, ,moving weight , becoming top dogs. It just aint in CAlifornia FOOL! MS and tons of others being caught up in the upper echeleons of the gulf cartel, the zetas, carrillo -fuentes organization , sinaloa cartel....etc etc . Your lame ass doesnt know diddly! Why dont you go pay 50 dollars to go get sucked off like all you desperate ass mojoz do , millions of dollars from slanging and having to pay for coochie because you dont got any style besides teh one you guys copy from chicanos and try to play as your own- I hate freaking WABS. They all get ignorant like you while at the same time claiming PAISAs are down ! what a freaking joke if it werent for chicanos , everyone would hate Mexicans. You Guys give us a bad name you feraking orange slanging sucker, claiming that hey at least its an honest living while standing outside HOME DEPOT. Get the phug outta here. You MOJOS arent shit without chicanos you dumb ass border brother.


Barron was born in Tijuana, Chicano he was not. By all accounts a mojado since he was a kid. If he was born into some East LA barrio he would of never got close to the Arellanos, he would of never been the hit man you like to name drop in this conversation.

The reason Mexico is so vicious as you say is not because the few chicanos they have recruited to do a few hits. The reason Mexico is crazy is the Sinaloa Cartel's war with the the Zetas. When Sinaloa attacked them the Zetas responded in kind and attacked their territories in southern and central Mexico, something the Arellanos never could do. The Arellanos killed some people in the Sinaloans territories, but never openly tried to take a plaza from Sinaloa because they couldn't. The AFO was always the weakest of all the Cartels in Mexico, they never could project their power outside of Baja.

Now the Zetillas that you are talking about were not from TCB, you got your areas in Texas confused. When Reta was recruited he was only 13 which leaves little time for gangbanging and his family were not from some banging background. Either way none of the Zetillas as they are known had any status in the Zetas organization. They were disposable hit men nothing more nothing less. You seem to think that just because someone pulls a trigger for a cartel that makes them automatically important. Look the the people Reta and his friends killed were some low level targets in Texas. They never killed some big time hit man of someone handling tons of drugs. Reta made up some very interesting stories when he went to the authorities, but to me that was just him trying to sound tough after turning rat. I don't believe he killed 30 like he claims, but that's speculation on my part.

Those kids they get from the US are used the same way as the kids recruited on the Mexican side, low level hits and cannon fodder. Now there are exceptions to the rule, in El Paso some kids that were involved with gangs killed an ICE informant/cartel lieutenant from the Juarez cartel. One of those kids was a soldier from Fort Bliss.

Take a look at the roster of the juarez cartel and tell me it aint FULL of people from Texas EME and Texas Syndicate --Hermanos Pistoleros and El PASO tip , Tri City Bombers.

Ok the Juarez Cartel is NOT full of people from the Texas Mexican Mafia, which has nothing to do with EME in California, or Texas syndicate. The gang the Juarez cartel has some sort of association with is Barrio Azteca. Low level hit men and they get hooked up with some coke, same thing as EME. Now to your average gang member getting hooked up with 20 to 100 pounds of coke may seem like a big deal but to a cartel that's just being polite.

.Dudes all over the place --chicano gang bangers pulling murders, ,moving weight , becoming top dogs. It just aint in CAlifornia FOOL! MS and tons of others being caught up in the upper echeleons of the gulf cartel, the zetas, carrillo -fuentes organization , sinaloa cartel....etc etc .

Gangs members pulling murders, although a lot like Barron were actually born in Mexico so you can't call them Chicano, yes they do commit murders for the Cartels. Yes they do move some weight for the Cartels. But never has any one ever became a top dog in a Cartel. El Viceroy don't know any gang members, El Inge don't know any gang members, El Lazca don't know any gang members, the Beltran Brothers don't know any gang members, although el Barbie who works as a high level enforcer for them was born in Texas he was never a gang member. ESPECIALLY none of the Sinaloa Cartel know any gang members. EL Chapo, Mayo, El Azul, and Nacho don't know any gang members. Only their subordinates of their subordinates of their subordinates know gang members.

a paisa aint about shit besides trying to act chicano! trying to be thugs and dont know how to make it look right buying your freaking jerseys at the korean store and writing SUR 13 on the wall with a wahable marker! slicking back your hair and ,hiking up your pants because thats how CHOLOS in the movies look

Yeah some kids of of immigrants mimick old gang movies, same thing with some poor kids in Mexico. But the top people in the cartels look down their nose on gang members. Most of the guys in Mexico that are bosses come from rural backgrounds in Mexico and they are proud of that. A lot of them dress like what you would call cowboys. Case in point, when Arturo Beltran was in Cuernavaca was celebrating Christmas with his men they hired a popular Norteno and Banda bands to come and play for them, look up Ramon Ayala and Los Cadetes de Linares. El Chapo and Mayo Zambada come from a rancheria in Sinaloa. Same thing with Arturo Beltran, who was much more powerful the Arellanos ever were. Nacho Coronel comes from one in Durango. Also the Leaders of the Familia Michoacana are from rural Mexico in Michoacan, and like the Sinaloa boys they are proud of their rural Mexican background. The Zetas not so much but still you have a lot a people from the them that took up that culture from always working from rural backgrounds. Z14 was killed in a cock fight in rural Mexico. Arellenos not so much, which is one of the many reasons El Chapo hated them so much.

Hell Chapo Guzman dresses like a damn trucker, in all his pictures he always has that cap on.

The reason these guys are proud of being rural is because they claim they are decedents of the people that fought in the Mexican Revolution. They claim men like Pancho Villa and Zapata as being like them, Pacho Villa being born in Durango and his right hand man being born in Sinaloa. They are not about to trade that for trying to act like little cholos.

Even their kids and younger men in their organization don't have nothing to with gang members. In Sinaloa there is a group of guys in there early 20s and teens called los Antrax, they are the friends and relatives of El Mayo Zambadas kids and nephews. Los Antrax act as enforcers and body guards for the Sinaloans family in Culiacan. None of them dress like cholos. They are all into the new style these days that is on TV. They dress in Versace and Ed Hardy type shit. Not my style but that's what they are into.

You always like to make cholo style is more popular than what it is. Why do you even care if it is or it isn't is weird, kind of sad actually.

Now the only gang members that can be some how be connected to the guys in Mexico are either Mojados themselves or are sons of immigrants. Their are exceptions to the rules, but it would very hard to some ELA chicano with no ties to Mexico to be connected to people in Mexico working for the cartels. If your a gang member from a hispanic hood you got a better chance of getting hooked up if your family has some paisas form Sinaloa.

Take a look at the Flores Twins in Chicago, they were moving tons of coke, more than EME ever dreamed of, because of who their families ties. That's what is important to these guys to become important in the organization, family ties. What if your a gang member it doesn't mean shit to them, other than you are more wiling to kill for them.
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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby mayugastank » January 23rd, 2010, 2:51 am

I am starting to think you dont have a clue about chicano culture-paisa! if not for chicanos in this country PAISAs would be regulated to being jacked by every fool with a crew. The style copied in all Mexico is LA Street which is absolutely )0) NOTHING like true mexican culture. That style is home based in EAST LOS. I been to Sinaloa-Michoacan-Chihuahua. I stayed a summer and knew tons of fools who got hooked up later on in life-Mexico didnt even have a gang problem till the chicanos of ELA created something unique to us. Their werent cholo style people in deep set mexican citys like Puebla-Oaxaca-Yucatan--them fools had gangs similiar to the gangs found in the movies of GANGS OF LA, spiky hair --peace and love earrings, multicolored hair-bombache pants and shit. Nothing like the ELA gangster that set the stage for all ethnicitys in USA. The fades, creased up baggy gear and tattoos so unique to ELA. Shit paisa stop hating and get me a fruit basket
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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby mnjmc » January 23rd, 2010, 8:13 am

mayugastank wrote:I am starting to think you dont have a clue about chicano culture-paisa! if not for chicanos in this country PAISAs would be regulated to being jacked by every fool with a crew. The style copied in all Mexico is LA Street which is absolutely )0) NOTHING like true mexican culture. That style is home based in EAST LOS. I been to Sinaloa-Michoacan-Chihuahua. I stayed a summer and knew tons of fools who got hooked up later on in life-Mexico didnt even have a gang problem till the chicanos of ELA created something unique to us. Their werent cholo style people in deep set mexican citys like Puebla-Oaxaca-Yucatan--them fools had gangs similiar to the gangs found in the movies of GANGS OF LA, spiky hair --peace and love earrings, multicolored hair-bombache pants and shit. Nothing like the ELA gangster that set the stage for all ethnicitys in USA. The fades, creased up baggy gear and tattoos so unique to ELA. Shit paisa stop hating and get me a fruit basket


Great I took your bait when you started with all this Mojado talk and now you turned this into another one of your whiny ass chicanos started everything bull shit topics. It seems like every East LA chicano can't help but bitch and moan about who starting wearing what. OK I'll play along, even though others have ripped apart your little theory of chicanos starting all fashion trends in Los Angeles, you don't realize it but you came out very badly in those debates you were having.

LA street style is not copied in all of Mexico. Very few people in Mexico dress anything remotely like a cholo. Its usually some poor kids that don't know better that saw a movie or has some relatives that showed them the style. Most kids in Mexico have their own pop culture shit they like, which are usually just American pop culture with a few twist and here and there. In Mex you got kids that are into emo, punk, heavy metal, reggae, Hip Hip(I know you claim alot of hip hop culture as being chicano but thats just people in ELA that buy that), hipster, and pretty boy types of dress, same shit as in the US. Cholo style is something very few kids are into. If you say you've been to Sinaloa, Michoacan, and Chihuahua and saw a whole bunch kids wearing cholo style it makes me think you are lying when say you've been to those places.

And Mexico doesn't have a gang problem, it ain't Central America. In Central America most of the murders committed in those countries were done by gang members for their gang. That's not the case in Mexico, say you're in Michoacan and you are in a gang and want to start slanging meth. Will that would be problem because La Familia Michoacana prohibits the sale of meth to fellow Michoacans. The penalty for breaking that rule is death. Same thing for the other cartels in Mexico. The cartels like to hold a monopoly of all forms of organized crime in the areas they operate. In Sinaloa they are straight massacring gangs of car robbers.

Plus like a said before street gangs in Mexico are very weak, they don't have access to the amount of money it would take to buy guns in Mexico. Their fights just involves fist, knives, and the occasional handgun. I can see gangs being problems in some cities in Mexico, but that's only if a Cartel is using them for something or if it's an are in an area no cartel has interest in controlling.

And the old Mexican gangs did not dress up like those of movies of Gangs of LA with the spiked hair. They dressed in whatever torn up shirt and pants they could find that was decent enough to put on. That description you gave was how all movies back then depicted urban gangs.


But back to the original topic. Currently are there any US gang member that hold high positions in Mexican drug cartels. If so name them and which drug boss are they close too. You can't bring up dead and imprisoned bosses like Ramon and Benjamin Arellano, do that and I'll believe you and say you are right.
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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby youngspade » January 23rd, 2010, 11:06 am

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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby mayugastank » January 24th, 2010, 2:27 am

YES THERE IS YOU DUMB WAB. Take a look at Barrio Azteca and Texas Syndicate...do you really expect some freaking MOJO in Los is doing major work out here? 18 street had 2 dollar paisas paying rent and then stealing their dope. There arent hardly any WABS doing the business in LA unless they pay rent you dumb corn hussling HICK mexican. WHat the fuck would I ever have to look up 2 some WAB in Mexico for ? come to a real city and get pimped. You freaking goofy fucks. Most of you cant even get a girlfriend unless you bribing that with an ounce of dope or your paycheck from landscaping. You wanna talk about Mexico like the cartels have and always were kicking up dust! Freaking new bootys. Dont compare me to no hick ass WAB JABRONI roses on the freeway slanging -paleta man. WHat the fuck could you guys do in the USA if we didnt have the firepower of Mexican gangs in USA. EVery paisa wouldnt even know whats up! I remeber paisas asking me to read their paperwork for them in county --cuz they didnt know how much time they were doing !LOL .....hwo the fuck you going to get locked up and not know what your being charged with and not know how much time you got sentenced 2! Yea big mafiosos alright! I knew a WAB who was with the business and that fool went and bought a chevey blazer and put bull horns on the side of it. He thought he looked slick with a belt buckle made of snake skin. I seriously doubt any cartel didnt get their ideas from Los Angeles gangs -the structure and organization isnt their in Mexican culture. Italians do ahve a history of mafias and organized crime its fairly new in Mexico and thats why you see so much bloodshed cuz its every WAB for himself......why dont you break down the gang war their and instead of me telling you how it is and who is doing it --give me a lesson EXPERT.
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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby mayugastank » January 25th, 2010, 12:37 am

Joseph Allen Garcia
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An alleged hitman for the Zetas and the Mexican Mafia may be hiding out in the Rio Grande Valley.

The U.S. Marshal’s Service told Action 4 News that Joseph Allen Garcia is wanted for murder and a number



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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby mnjmc » January 25th, 2010, 12:45 am

mayugastank wrote:Joseph Allen Garcia
Hide caption Wednesday, December 16, 2009 at 1:41 p.m.

Read more: Local, Crime, Joseph Allen Garcia, Joseph Garza, Zetas, Mexican Mafia, Hitman, Murder, U.S. Marshal's Service, Fugitive, Laredo, Webb County, South Padre Island, Cameron County, Rio Grande Valley, Texas, Mexico, Fugitivefinder


An alleged hitman for the Zetas and the Mexican Mafia may be hiding out in the Rio Grande Valley.

The U.S. Marshal’s Service told Action 4 News that Joseph Allen Garcia is wanted for murder and a number



TEXAS EMI AND ZETAS WORKING TOGETHER


Low level hits and a loose association with the cartel I never denied. What I was calling bull shit was you saying US gang members becoming TOP DOGS in the Cartel. The highest a US gang member has ever gotten was leader of a hit squad, which is not that high up in the organization, although you can't really say that because Barron himself was a MOJADO. Just admit already that US gang members only do low level shit and never rise above that in the ranks of the Cartels.
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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

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Mexican Mafia case garners guilty pleas

Lawyers for other suspects say secrecy hampering their efforts

By Onell R. Soto
STAFF WRITER

April 19, 2004

Three months ago, authorities hailed what they called the breakup of a violent conspiracy by a prison gang to rob people, smuggle drugs, extort drug dealers and kill witnesses and a law enforcement officer.

Defense lawyers and relatives complained that many of the nearly three dozen charged were not part of the notorious prison gang – the Mexican Mafia – and it is unfair to paint them all with the same brush.

Now, about a quarter of those arrested in January raids have pleaded guilty, and prosecutors say negotiations are going on with others in an effort to focus on the defendants accused of the most violent acts.

"We're sifting through, figuring out which ones are the heavies," said prosecutor Mark Amador.

While several defendants are charged with attempted murder – Amador said investigators prevented some killings – none has been charged with plotting to kill a law enforcement officer.

Defense lawyers have complained about secrecy shrouding the case, which is built around wiretaps. Amador said the secrecy is necessary to prevent people from being killed.

The investigation began when authorities learned of a plot to kill a police officer, he said. That information was used to persuade at least one judge to allow wiretaps on cell phones used by three of the top defendants, he said.

But the affidavits in support of the wiretaps – which might lay out the alleged murder plot – remain sealed, and prosecutors are fighting defense efforts to obtain them.

"It's an ongoing investigation," Amador said when asked about the plot allegations. He said those involved have been indicted on other charges.

Meanwhile, prosecutors are blacking out certain information from papers they give defense lawyers, including information that would allow them to contact witnesses.

And a judge has ordered defense lawyers not to give their clients any of the paperwork they get from prosecutors.

Defense lawyers said the secrecy violates their clients' civil rights and hampers efforts to present a proper defense.

None of the eight defendants who have pleaded guilty so far has been sentenced, but most face fewer than five years in prison and only one faces more than 12.

More plea bargains are possible before the scheduled Sept. 13 trial date, which several defense lawyers said is unrealistic because of the complexity of the case.

The case involves 35 defendants charged with 56 crimes.

Superior Court Judge David Danielsen split up the case to make it more manageable. Defendants are now facing trial in 11 groups.

Ten of the defendants are facing life prison terms, Amador said.

Defense lawyer Elizabeth Missakian said the case is needlessly complex. After dissecting the charges, she said prosecutors actually have charged 13 conspiracies, not one.

"They're all being painted with the same brush, and they don't all stand in the same position," she said recently, echoing comments she made earlier in court.

Two of those indicted have not been arrested, Amador said.

The District Attorney's Office is still working to extradite the man they indicted as the leader of the conspiracy, Jose Alberto Marquez, nicknamed "El Bat."

Marquez, 44, is being held in a high-security prison outside Mexico City, where he faces charges as well, prosecutors say.

U.S. federal prosecutors also have charged him as part of their prosecution of the Baja California-based Arellano Felix drug cartel.

In court papers, the District Attorney's Office said the Mexican Mafia works with the cartel to recruit and train members of Hispanic Southern California street gangs to act as smugglers, soldiers and debt collectors.

The Mexican Mafia has great power over street gangs, exacting a "tax" on the sale of drugs outside prisons, and using them to help smuggle drugs into prisons, prosecutors said.

The gang does this with threats that those who cross it face violence both inside and outside prison, they said.

Prosecutors say Marquez became the highest-ranking prison gang member with connections to the Arellano Felix organization early last year, after another Mexican Mafia heavyweight was arrested in connection with the kidnapping of a Tijuana businessman.

Marquez helped direct the actions of street gang crews led by two high-ranking associates, Monica Yanez, 29, and Arthur Torres, 46, both of whom were indicted in this case, prosecutors said.

The crews trafficked methamphetamine, planned attacks on people who wouldn't pay extortion, and tortured, extorted, robbed and tried to kill other people, according to court documents.

Marquez also directed other defendants in the case to assassinate the brother of an Arellano Felix leader suspected of cooperating with Mexican authorities, prosecutors said.

The evidence in the case is massive.

Defense lawyers have been given more than 5,000 pages of documents to pore over, and soon will get 50,000 pages detailing wiretapped calls made over six months.

For E. Hodge Crabtree and other defense lawyers, it will take months to figure out the government's evidence against their clients.

"I can't tell you what kind of evidence they have," he said.

Normally, witnesses testify about what they have personally seen.

"In this case, what you have are a bunch of phone calls made by a number of people," he said. "Until I see the actual phone log, or hear the actual conversation, I don't know what the prosecution has."

Amador said the reach of the prison gang dictated the size of the case.

"There's been a huge impact on the streets," Amador said. "We were able to cut off the heads of the monster known as the Mexican Mafia."



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Re: Biggest Cartel Figures EME members

Postby mayugastank » February 7th, 2010, 2:28 am

A 39-year-old San Diego man with ties to the "Mexican Mafia" and the Arrello Felix cartel has been sentenced to federal prison, the Department of Justice said.

Federal court documents show Jose Rojas and associates assisted in coordinating criminal activities between the "Mexican Mafia," also known as La Eme, and the Felix syndicate, the DOJ said in a statement.

Authorities prosecuted Rojas as part of “Operation Keys to the City,” a probe conducted by a San Diego task force aimed at violent crimes and gangs. The task force also investigates ties between the previously mentioned groups and Latino street gangs.

Rosas drew a 17-year prison sentence from U.S. District Court Judge Barry Ted Moskowitz for his conviction on conspiracy charges on Dec. 4. Rosas admitted to conspiring to conduct enterprise affairs through a pattern of racketeering activity in violation of federal statutes. He pleaded guilty to the charge earlier this year, United States Attorney Karen P. Hewit said.

Rojas is a parolee with a lengthy criminal record dating back to 1988, federal prosecutors said. During the course of the investigation, Rojas distributed over a quarter pound of methamphetamine to a federal informant, prosecutors said.
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