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Ex AB member talks about prison life

Postby Samson28 » October 22nd, 2012, 12:18 am

Interesting
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-s ... od-2012-10

"When they found out the black homosexual had approached me talking that homosexual stuff, I was told 'Look you have to stab him or pipe him down,'" Miller recently told Business Insider about his first experiences during two decades spent in and out of prison, most recently for robbery.
"The guys were there just to make sure I actually split this guy's head open."
Those "guys" were the Aryan Brotherhood, one of the most famous and feared jailhouse gangs.

"The black gangs don't stab very much," he said so matter-of-factly he could have been discussing the weather. "They're quick to jump on you. The Mexicans will jump on you everywhere and the whites love to pipe people down a lot."
The Muslims are the most low-key gang but can be deadly if provoked, he said.
The Muslims were known for deploying men outside their gangs – frequently white guys who "acted" black – to carry out their dirty work, including weapons and drug deals.
But it was the Mexican gangs,"by far the most violent, deadly group," that you had to watch out for, Miller said.
"When you come in, you pretty much have to clique up with the Mexicans if you're Mexican," he said. The Mexican gangs would even force sex offenders to join after first beating them up, according to Miller.
When the Mexican mafia began expanding its illegal activities into Kansas it turned the Norteños and Indian gangs — two of the biggest Mexican gangs behind bars — against the Sureños gang. The fighting became so bloody the state stopped sending Sureños men to the facility in Lansing, can. because they wouldn't survive, according to Miller.


lol at forcing sex offenders to join after beating them up. Wouldnt any race do that to capable SOs esp ones from the streets or with gang ties?
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Re: Ex AB member talks about prison life

Postby youngspade » October 22nd, 2012, 1:04 am

Thats fucking sad, i thought they didnt like sex offenders??
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Re: Ex AB member talks about prison life

Postby AztecNinja » October 23rd, 2012, 9:49 pm

youngspade wrote:Thats #%@&#%@ sad, i thought they didnt like sex offenders??
That fool isnt a Cali AB, they have a zero tolerance for chomo's and raypo's.
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Re: Ex AB member talks about prison life

Postby Quepolo3 » October 24th, 2012, 5:42 am

AztecNinja wrote:
youngspade wrote:Thats #%@&#%@ sad, i thought they didnt like sex offenders??
That fool isnt a Cali AB, they have a zero tolerance for chomo's and raypo's.


Interesting Article. @AztecNinja- That was my impression as well. I wonder if it's different because of the location? All of the information that I've ever heard has always stated that there is no tolerence for "Chomo's and raypo's" as you most eloquently stated.
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Re: Ex AB member talks about prison life

Postby youngspade » October 24th, 2012, 1:47 pm

He sounds like a cali AB.
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Re: Ex AB member talks about prison life

Postby karim » October 25th, 2012, 7:25 am

AztecNinja wrote:
youngspade wrote:Thats #%@&#%@ sad, i thought they didnt like sex offenders??
That fool isnt a Cali AB, they have a zero tolerance for chomo's and raypo's.

Since when gangs pay attention to the moral values of his members ? It's a gang, not a politic party ! :lol:
I think that the first goal of Mexicans gangs is to recruit the most they can by all means necessary (even sex offenders thus). And in order to be the biggest gang, I would say this is the best strategie to gain power within the wall of a prison.
As it seems to work, it's being the most violent gang or being the bigger one. Don't forget one thing: number is visible hardness isn't...
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Re: Ex AB member talks about prison life

Postby MMRbkaRudog » October 25th, 2012, 10:21 am

karim wrote:
AztecNinja wrote:
youngspade wrote:Thats #%@&#%@ sad, i thought they didnt like sex offenders??
That fool isnt a Cali AB, they have a zero tolerance for chomo's and raypo's.

Since when gangs pay attention to the moral values of his members ? It's a gang, not a politic party ! :lol:
I think that the first goal of Mexicans gangs is to recruit the most they can by all means necessary (even sex offenders thus). And in order to be the biggest gang, I would say this is the best strategie to gain power within the wall of a prison.
As it seems to work, it's being the most violent gang or being the bigger one. Don't forget one thing: number is visible hardness isn't...

I don't think he realized "Mexican gangs" were brought up at that point, but don't think that gangs don't have rules like that. It's just some times rules can be broken, especially out of state. This is in KS. & I don't know how we would be able to tell if it was a former member of AB from CA.
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Re: Ex AB member talks about prison life

Postby AztecNinja » October 27th, 2012, 12:46 pm

karim wrote:
AztecNinja wrote:
youngspade wrote:Thats #%@&#%@ sad, i thought they didnt like sex offenders??
That fool isnt a Cali AB, they have a zero tolerance for chomo's and raypo's.

Since when gangs pay attention to the moral values of his members ? It's a gang, not a politic party ! :lol:
I think that the first goal of Mexicans gangs is to recruit the most they can by all means necessary (even sex offenders thus). And in order to be the biggest gang, I would say this is the best strategie to gain power within the wall of a prison.
As it seems to work, it's being the most violent gang or being the bigger one. Don't forget one thing: number is visible hardness isn't...
You obviously aint from Cali, there are many rules, and believe it or not there is "honor among thieves" perverts have no love coming from Cali Woods, Sur , or Nortenos. NONE!
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Re: Ex AB member talks about prison life

Postby Samson28 » November 7th, 2012, 11:49 pm

First of not all of these guys are perverts,s econdly some of them are conditioned that way by the penal systems. Read the story of Aryan Brotherhood member (one of founding memebrs) Dwight Abbott:

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from:
http://www.menstuff.org/books/byissue/abuse-boys.html

"Abbott, Dwight Edgar, I Cried You Didn't Listen: A survivor's expose of the California Youth Authority. As this moment, a young boy or girl is being physically, sexually, mentally and emotionally mistreated with the walls of America's juvenile penal system. This abuse comes not only from the children's peers but from the people whom society has entrusted with the children's welfare. These scars will brutally scar the tender and impressionable innocents. And, these children will eventually respond to their pain be stealing, raping and murdering. The author was sent to LA County Juvenile Hall after his parents were seriously injured in an automobile accident at age 9. And, many of the other children, ranging in age from 7 to 17, were there because of broken families. Others were criminals. On the day of his arrival, one of the older black boys beat him severely. A counselor looked on. That night, three Mexican boys sexually assaulted a white boy. The Mexicans were all about 15, the white boy was about 7. He'd never done anything wrong before. This story is of that boy, now a man, who was introduced to a world of brutality, rape and perversion at the tender age of 9. He is not listed as an irredeemable. He has robbed, raped and killed. Twin lighting bolts tattooed on his neck confirm he is a one time member in the Aryan Brotherhood, the notorious white supremacist prison gang. This is his unforgettable chronicle that should make anyone who has a child sit up and take notice - before the innocence of their child may be robbed from them."

from:
http://law.justia.com/cases/california/ ... /1142.html

"While appellant was in jail, he asked a cellmate, Dwight Abbot, to kill four people when Abbot was released, in exchange for a "couple thousand dollars" and a Mustang automobile. He asked Abbot to kill a young rape victim of appellant's, whom he wanted killed because she had testified against him. Appellant also wanted Abbot to rape and torture her and tell her why she was being killed. He asked Abbot to kill her parents, because they did not prevent her from testifying against him. Finally, he asked Abbot to kill her girl friend, who would probably be with her when Abbot found the rape victim. Appellant's conversations with Abbot about the killings extended over a period of time, about two weeks. Appellant wrote a description of these victims; that document was admitted into evidence. [151 Cal. App. 3d 1145]"

from:
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"Fugitive surrenders to Santa Clara police after 7 hour standoff
By Katherine Corcoran
Mercury News
A seven-hour standoff between Santa Clara police and a fugitive sex
offender ended peacefully early Wednesday, but not before neighbors
were evacuated and officers threw tear gas to force the man to
surrender.

Police arrested Dwight ``Sonny'' Abbott, 60, about 1:20 a.m. on a four
counts of child molestation after calling and using a public address
system for more than six hours to try to get him to leave the duplex
on Agate Court in Santa Clara.

``They told us this guy is dangerous and everyone was nervous,'' said
Jaime Braga, who has lived for 27 years next door to the house where
Abbott was hiding. ``The tear gas was very loud. Big booms. It scared
me a little bit, but my house has no damage.''

Abbott was arrested early last week on a narcotics charge and was
released on bail. San Jose police, knowing he was a registered sex
offender, conducted interviews in the apartment building where Abbott
lived and found a 15-year-old boy who told police he was molested by
Abbott over a four-month period last year.

By that time Abbott had fled, and the district attorney issued a $7
million warrant for his arrest.

About the same time, Braga noticed a man with a German Shepard and a
black Camaro, which Abbott drives, showing up at his neighbors' house,
especially on weekends.

``He was always like, `Hi, how are you doing?' But he didn't look like
anyone I wanted to talk to,'' Braga said.

San Jose police alerted the public that Abbott was ``armed and
extremely dangerous'' after finding 30 knives in his apartment and
hearing from neighbors who he said he would rather die than return to
prison. Abbott is or has been a member of the Aryan Brotherhood,
police said.

Police received numerous tips on his whereabouts, but the Santa Clara
one checked out Tuesday when San Jose officers saw him walk into the
duplex early Tuesday evening. They alerted Santa Clara police, who
evacuated neighbors, first to a nearby office building and then to a
preschool, while spending more than five hours calling to Abbott to
leave the house. He never responded. Finally they threw tear gas into
the house, which police said they knew had no other residents inside.

Another hour elapsed before Abbott indicated he was ready to
surrender. Police found him hiding in the crawl space.

``That was one reason why it may have taken so long,'' Santa Clara
Det. Kurt Clarke said. ``He hid himself under the house, where he
couldn't hear the P.A. system, and the gas didn't get to him right
away.''

Abbott was taken to Valley Medical Center for a routine check because
his arrest involved tear gas, and later booked into Santa Clara County
Jail. Braga couldn't return to his house until 6 a.m. Wednesday
morning because firefighters had to air out the tear gas that drifted
from next door.

``I lost one day of work and one night of sleep, but it's OK now,'' he
said."

From:
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/vi ... 7922dfe6bf
"In Dwight Abbott’s introduction we learn that the manuscript for his memoir, “I Cried You Didn’t Listen” was written in a maximum-security prison cell in Oregon, at the time part of a solution California initiated in response to the growing problem of prison gangs in the state. Mr. Abbott was then an acknowledged founding member of the ‘Aryan Brotherhood’, a white supremacist prison gang.

While there, he’s on 23-hour lock down with little if no human contact. The only kindness he’s offered comes from a guard he never sees. He’s given cigarettes and then the stub of a pencil with which he begins to write this same memoir on piles of tissue paper. The day before the guard is transferred he discovers that the hand of friendship belongs to a black man.

The story is reminiscent of Victor Hugo’s great 19th century French novel, ‘Les Miserables.’ An impoverished Jean Valjean is convicted of stealing a loaf of bread and sentenced to years of hard labor in France’s notorious penal system. The environment hardens him, physically and emotionally, so that he comes out a far more dangerous man than went in.

It’s only through the accidental (some might say ‘divine’) intervention of a poor, Catholic Bishop that Valjean is able to find the resolve to forgive the world that created him-and learn to live in it again.

“I Cried, You Didn’t Listen,” is Dwight Abbott’s memoir of growing up in California’s Youth Authority system (simply known as YA in California). It’s a sober look back on a childhood spent in the brutal conditions of the state’s juvenile justice system, and one that exposes the system’s negligence and complicity in fostering those conditions.

Burdened with physical and psychological scars and the stigma of being a dangerous juvenile delinquent, Mr. Abbott’s struggle to re-enter society evokes the fictional dramas of social justice that dominated 19th century literature in the west.

Mr. Abbott describes his childhood as being “unremarkable” and hard to remember before the age of nine when both his parents end up in a coma, victims of a car crash. His aunt, with whom the children are staying at the time of the accident, is considered an unfit guardian. For reasons not given, Dwight is separated from his siblings and sent to Juvenile Hall for what would be a temporary stay that irreparably changes his life.

There he learns that racial segregation is the norm, fighting and sexual assault are a means at establishing a social order and that some of the counselors assigned to look after the wards at best, ignore the violence and, at worst, encourage it.

His third night there, he’s raped by one of the counselors in the shower room and told to stay quiet. He soon snaps and nearly kills one of his younger tormentors with a baseball bat. When his parents, now recovered, come to pick him up he describes the meeting with his father as if it were the first time they had met.

“I watched a puzzled expression come over his face. I recalled that look when dad told me that his eyes told me that I was his son, but that mine had told him that his son was no longer there. . .”

Mr. Abbott, unable and unaided in dealing with the scars and growing anger that ensued spends almost the entirety of his youth in Juvenile Justice system, where the conditions and abuses of his first experience are repeated again and again.

His writing is calm and measured and with little rancor for someone who is so candid about the abuses he’s suffered and inflicted as a teenager in the Youth Authority.

His book is the plea by a lifelong convict to be understood as a complete human, someone who has loved and lost and managed to survive. It is far more effective in exposing the terrible flaws in California’s juvenile justice system than an angry harangue."

Dwight is actually an interesting person with a good perspective. I like reading his stuff personally. Here is the book:

http://books.google.com/books?id=AzFlDW ... e&q&f=true
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Re: Ex AB member talks about prison life

Postby alexalonso » November 8th, 2012, 1:49 pm

youngspade wrote:He sounds like a cali AB.


he does.
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Re: Ex AB member talks about prison life

Postby Samson28 » November 8th, 2012, 9:15 pm

http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/se ... oid=283946

[quite]
Prison promotes a culture of secrecy

A snitch, a rat, is the worst thing a person can be labeled in that world, and the code extends not only between inmates, but also toward the authorities. Perversely, it protects the “protectors” who abuse their positions of power. The secrecy is enforced by violence. And if all this fear weren’t enough, there is the overwhelming shame that keeps inmates from talking.

Such is the world Doug Abbott grew up in, and lives in still. At the tender age of 9, Abbott was sent to a juvenile detention center due to an aunt’s negligence after his parents were injured in a car accident. He had committed no crime, yet immediately upon entering California’s system for wayward youth he was beaten, raped and treated like human refuse. Thus began his terrifying education. Abuse lead to more abuse. Repeated assaults and molestations by counselors and by other children, all of it shrouded in secrecy, buried deep in this boy’s psyche waiting to explode.

Eventually it did.

Monsters aren’t made overnight. It takes a lot of work to build one. Abbott, with an assist from co-writer Jack Carter, recounts, in a style as clear and sharp as broken glass, how over and over again he reached out for help, for understanding, and had his trust shattered by those the state had appointed to be his caretakers. With a tone of scouring self-examination, the kind honed through thousands of hours in solitary confinement, he records his impressions and emotions about the years of his youth: The brutal fights for survival and status that counselors supervised instead of breaking up; the repeated escape attempts that always ended when, fleeing back to his parents, he was caught and sent back to even harsher treatment.

The only thing that keeps I Cried, You Didn’t Listen from being a mere laundry list of horrors is the humanity of its narrator. He doesn’t attempt to make excuses for the behavior that kept him going back to the California Youth Authority. He doesn’t need to—putting it in context with the way he was treated, it is perfectly logical. Abbott simply had adapted to his environment, one where physical violence is the basic, ordering principle of daily life.

The book’s most haunting moments vividly illustrate the reality behind those statistics. When he was 14, Abbott and a fellow inmate escaped from one facility where they were being molested on a daily basis by older wards. Abbott recently had witnessed a ward being stabbed by one of the counselors during a riot and lived in constant fear, both of the counselors and his fellow inmates. After escaping, the youths hotwired a car and drove aimlessly, breaking into houses for money and food. They swiftly were caught and Abbott was found with, among other items, a rabbit. “I hadn’t liked seeing it in a cage so small it could barely turn around,” Abbott wrote. At another institution, Abbott and other wards were put hard at work: moving dirt. Laboriously, with shovel and wheelbarrow, they moved dirt from one large pile to another, for no purpose at all other than punishment.

Abbott, now serving multiple life sentences in Salinas Valley State Prison, has written a tale that is a stunning indictment of a brutal and backward system. It’s difficult to shake the feeling, reading I Cried, You Didn’t Listen, that if a child was sane and healthy upon entering the CYA, it would be impossible for him to leave that way. Recent scandals have prompted the renaming and reorganization of the CYA into the Department of Juvenile Justice, and one hopes those responsible for reforming it will take stories like Abbott’s seriously. His tragic testimony remains all too relevant. To understand, first we have to listen.[/quote]
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Re: Ex AB member talks about prison life

Postby Samson28 » December 28th, 2012, 6:26 pm

This is kind of humrous in a weird sort of bizarre way:
http://x-con.hubpages.com/hub/The-Road- ... -in-Prison

"Do Not Try and be a Tough Chomo

There was a guy who was trying to run with the Pisas (Mexicans) that turned out to be a child offender. Pisas are basically Mexicans that band together. I wouldn’t quite call them a gang; but they’re a force to be reckoned with due to their sheer numbers. Nevertheless, they have rules and standards, just like a prison gang. Anyway, this child offender was trying to be someone of authority in their group, thinking that they would not discover his offense.

Now, if you’re a child offender, do not attempt to be someone in a gang. That is the easiest way to get discovered and the quickest way to catch a beat down. Gangs are not going to allow you to be a leader in their organization without running a check on you. So, if you’re a chomo (prison slang for child molester), you’d best keep to yourself, be completely respectful to other inmates, and find somewhere to hide out!


Unfortunately, most chomos (and snitches) choose to hide out in the chapel, which gives Christians a bad name in prison. I am a Christian, and I went to the chapel regularly, myself. I didn’t realize how bad the situation was until I walked by a room full of “Christians” watching movies one day, and I realized that about 39 of the 40 guys in there were known child offenders.

The chapel was open quite often in Lompoc FCI. That was like a second home for all of the chomos and snitches. Don’t get me wrong, though, there were some genuine Christians there too. And even some of the chomos and snitches may have had their lives turned around by God. Who knows. I don’t know. Only God knows the hearts of men. I do know this, though: most of them were there just hiding out. Their actions, outside of the chapel, spoke for themselves. Another hide out was in the library, where 'mos (short for chomos) would read fantasy novels all day."
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Re: Ex AB member talks about prison life

Postby Samson28 » December 28th, 2012, 6:41 pm

You guys should read the article, as it's actually pretty funny:

"They’re Everywhere!

The child offender situation in Lompoc FCI got pretty bad. At the onset of my time, inmates would try and purge Lompoc of them by beating them up. However, sometime in 2009 (I believe), there was a law past which made more child offenders subject to federal imprisonment. Thus, increasing the influx of child offenders into Lompoc FCI. By the time I got released, there were so many child offenders there that you could go out on the yard and throw a rock in any direction and hit one."
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