Gangs & Poverty in Europe

[SoulJah]

Dont know about all of Europe but the relationship with poverty, deprivation and gang territories in Inner London is so obvious (see below)



Here is a list of the gangs in this area

London Borough of Barnet (N2, N3, N11, N12, N20, NW2, NW4, NW7, NW9, NW11)

N2/N3
K9/Grange Man Dem - Grange Estate

NW2
Cracklewood

NW9
300 Blocks Plus - Grahame Park
Tug Fam - Grahame Park

London Borough of Brent (NW2, NW6, NW9, NW10)

NW6
D-Block - S.South Kilburn
F.A.C/Family About Cash - S.Kilburn
L.R/London's Realists - S.Kilburn
SK - South Kilburn

NW10
Bruce Road Gang - Bruce Road
Church Road Soldiers - Church End Estate
GH/Greenhill - S. Craven Prk. Rd
Harlesden Crew - Harlesden (M.L.C)
Harlesden Purple Gang - Harlesden
MB/Mitchellbrook - Mitchellbrook Way Estate
Press Road Mandem - Press Road Estate
St. Raphs Soldiers - St Raphaels Estate
Skrilla/SP - Stonebridge
Sta* Gang - Kensal Green
Suspect Gang - Stonebridge
Tugs of Stonebridge - Stonebridge
"Yardies"

London Borough of Bromley (SE19, SE20, SE26)

SE20
P-Block - Penge / Annerley

London Borough of Camden (WC1, WC2, W1, NW1, NW3, NW5, NW6, NW8)

WC1
Cromer Street Massive - Cromer Street

NW1
Cumbo Boys - Regents Park Estate (N)
Drummond Street Posse - Drummond St/Regents Park Estate (S)
Somers Town Boys - Somers Town

NW1/NW5
Centric/African Nations Crew - Oval Road area
The Money Squad - NW1/NW5

NW3
L-Block/YLB

NW5
Q.C Blocks - Queens Crescent
Silent Movers - Kentish Town
Yung Potentials - Peckwater Estate

NW6
9MK/9 Mill Kids - Kilburn

NW6/NW8
ASA/Angry Streets Army - Kilburn

NW8
Abbey Road Boys - Abbey Road Estate

London Borough of Croydon (SE19, SE25, SW16)

SE19/SE25
Norwood Youts - Norwood Junction

SW16
S.M.S - South Muslim Soldiers

London Borough of Ealing (W3, W5, W7, W13)

W3
Acton Somalians
South Acton Man Dem - South Acton Estate
Fuck the Authority / Murder Dem Pussies

W5
Murder Dem Pussies

London Borough of Enfield (N9, N11, N13, N14, N18, N21)

N9
Shanktown - 41st Estate, Bounces Road, Church Street, Fore Street, The Green, Parr Close

N13/N18
Turkish Mob

N17/N18
Meridian / Bloodline

N18
Edmonton Somalians - Fore Street
Money Respect Power - Fore Street
Red Brick Crew - Silver Street
Strap City - Montagu, Shires Estate

London Borough of Greenwich (SE2, SE3, SE7, SE9, SE10, SE12, SE18, SE28)

SE2
Abbey Wood Boys

SE3
Ferrier Boys - Ferrier Estate

SE7
Cherry Boys - Cherry Orchard Estate, Springfield Grove Estate

SE18
P-Block/Plumstead - Glyndon Estate

Woolwich Somalians & YWB - Barnfield Estate, Brook Estate, Maryon Estate, Nightingale Estate, Walpole Estate & Woolwich Common Estate

SE28
T-Block - Thamesmead Central/Broadwater Estate

London Borough of Hackney (E2, E5, E8, E9, N1, N4, N16)

E2
Haggerston Man Dem – Fellows Court, (n) Haggerston Park

E5
E9-5 - Coalition of E9 and E5
E5TH Ridaz – Nye Bevan Estate, Gilpin Sq.
Mothers Sq Boys – Mothers Square Hackney Downs
Nightingale Youts – Nightingale Estate Hackney Downs
Pembury Boys / P-Block – Pembury Estate
SW/Southwold - Southwold Estate
Springfield Man Dem – Webb & Fawcett Estates

E8
Evelyn Man Dem/Mountsford – Evelyn Courts / Mountsford Estate
Hindle House Tugs – Dalston Central
Holly Street Boys – Holly Street Estate
London Field Boys - Blackstone/Fields Estates

E9
E9-5 - Coalition of E9 and E5
E9ERS – Homerton, Kingsmead, Ballance Road, Trowbridge
Jack Dunning Estate
Kingzhold - (S) Well Street
Well Street Boys/GY – Frampton Estate

N1
De Beauvoir Man Dem – De Beauvoir Town Estate
Hoxton Boys – Hoxton Estates
Love of Money - N1
Murray Grove Boys – Murray Grove Estate

N4
Blue City/Queens Drive – Hackney Sides (FPK)
Manor House Boys – Woodberry Downs Estate

N16
L.O.R.D. – Lordship/Hillcourt Estates/Stokey
SG/Shellgrove - Shellgrove Estate
SOS/Shakespeare Man Dem – Milton Gardens Estate
Smalley Thugs – Smalley Road Estate
Stamford Hill Man Dem – Stamford Hill Estate

London Borough of Haringey (N6, N8, N10, N15, N22)

N8
Hornsey Man Dem - Hornsey
L.M.D - Lightfoot Estate
New Land Estate (CampsbourneEst.)
Nort Side Soldiers - Chettle Court, Stationers Park, Crouch End

N15/N17
T.M.D - NorthStar - StarGang - olders/elders
T.M.D Yungas/T.G/T.Y.G - younger generation

N15
Ferry Lane Man Dem (BL/PV) - Ferry Lane/Broad Lane / Park View
Edgecott / Ida Ridahs - Ida Estate
Philip Lane Man Dem - Philip Lane
Saltram - High Road area
Stonebridge Man Dem / Small Soldiers - Ermine/Plevna/Stonebridge
Tiverton Man Dem - Tiverton Est, Suffolk, Twyford..

N17
BC Bangers - Bruce Castle
Bloodline - Meridian Walk
B.W.F/F.M.D - Broadwater Farm
Chestnut Boys - Chestnut Estate
Evastrap - Bruce Grove
NPK/SC/BDC/YG - Northumberland Park
Scotland Green - Scotland Green Rd Est.

N22
North London Somalians/YMS - Duccets Common/Turnpike Lane
Wood Green Money Over Bitches/City of Gods - Avenues, Commerce, Rampage, Shell Town, Woodside

London Borough of Islington (EC1, N1, N4, N5, N7, N19)

EC1
Whitecross Boys - Whitecross Estate

N1
Essex Road Boys - Canonbury / Popham / Packington / Marquss Estates

N1-N7
Cally Road Estates - Barnsbury / Bemerton / Priory Green /

N4
Blue City/Finsbury Park - Andover / Queens Drive (H-side) / Six Acres Estates
Quill Street - Near Blacstone Road

N4/N7
Busy Blocks/HollyPrk/YBM - Holly Park Estate / Holloway / Stroud Green

N5
C.R.£.A.M Blocks - Highbury New Park
Highbury Grove Boys - Highbury Estate
Orange City - Highbury

N7
Brecknock/Hilldrop Estates
Holloway Boys - Lower Holloway

N19
Elthorne Man Dem - Archway
Gully Gang (NW5/N19 Borders)

London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham (W6, W12, W14, SW6)

W12
CPG/Crime Pays Grands - Shepherds Bush
FDA/Fuck the Authority - Shepherds Bush (see Ealing)
MDP/Murder Dem Pussies - Shepherds Bush (see Ealing)
MPR/Money Power Respect - Shepherds Bush (see Ealing)

W14
Blackstarz - West Kensington

SW6
GY/Ghetto Youts
SNL/Show No Love

London Borough of Kensington and Chelsea (W8, W10, W11, SW3, SW5, SW7, SW10)

W10/W11
GMQ/Get Money Quick - Ladbroke Grove
GSG/Grove Side Goons - Ladbroke Grove
SFDM/Straight From the Manor - Ladbroke Grove
TKO/Total Knockout - Ladbroke Grove

W11
Hoodstarz - Ladbroke Grove

London Borough of Lambeth (SE11, SE24, SE19, SE27, SW2, SW4, SW8, SW9, SW16)

SE19
Gipset - Gipsy Hill/West Norwood (RBC/Grey Estate/Ghost Twn)

SW8/SE11
K-Town Black Mobb - Black Prince Road

SW2
ALC/Acre Lane Camppain - Acre Lane
Blenheim 28s - Blenheim Gardens
Hillset - Streatham Hill
New Park Gs - New Park Court
T-Block/THT- Tulse Hill

SW2/SW9
Bloodset
Roadside Gs

SW4
Clap Town Crips - Clapham
Clap Twn Kids - Clapham
Clapham Park Man Dem - Clapham Park Estate

SW8
031/O-TRAY - Lansdowne Way
Dorset Road Crips - Dorset Road
G-Street - Gaskell Street Estate
SPE/Stockwell Park Estate (ABM/All Bout Money)

SW8/SW9
Cripset

SW9
CFR/Corleone Family Riders
HS/HotSpot Crips - Stockwell Gardens
LS/Loughborough Soldiers - Loughborough Estate
MZ/Murderzone - Somerleyton Estate
OC/Organised Criminals - Myatts Field
PIF/Paid In Full - Angell Town
PDC/Poverty Driven Children - Angell Town

SW16
South Muslim Soldiers
Streatham Man Dem - Streatham High Road
Valeset - Streatham Vale

London Borough of Lewisham (SE3, SE4, SE6, SE8, SE12, SE13, SE14, SE23, SE26)

SE4
Brockley Man Dem / Turnham Youts - Honor Oak Estate

SE6
Catford - Rushey Green

SE8
D-Block - Deptford
Evelyn & Pepys Estates

SE13
Lethbridge Man Dem - Lethbridge Estate

SE14
Ghetto Estate - New Cross Woodpecker
Monson BS

SE23
Young Money Makers - Forest Hill

SE26
Sydenham Man Dem - Wells Park

London Borough of Newham (E6, E7, E12, E13, E15, E16)

E6
Asian Virus - East Ham
Beckton Souljahs / YBS - Windsor Estate
Paki Panthers - East Ham
Pathans - Plashet Park

E7
Cage Man Dem - F.G West
Forest Gate Massive - F.G East

E12
Eastside Tamils - Little Ilford
Manor Rule Souljahs - Manor Park

E13
Brown War Street - Plashet Road
Greengate - E. Plaistow Park
P-Road Asians - Plashet Road

E13/E15
Portway Man Dem - Nicholls Point Estate

E15
F.T.K (Maryland, Temple Mills, Thatch House)
Stratford Man Dem - Stratford New Town/Alma/Maryland

E16
C.T/Grey Blocks - Canning Town
Get Money Gang - Canning Town

London Borough of Southwark (SE1, SE5, SE11, SE15, SE16, SE17, SE21, SE22, SE24)

SE1/SE15
Brooklyn - Old Kent Road

SE5
C-Block - Crawford Estate
Circle Crew - Circle Estate
Dulwich Crew - Dog Kennel / Champion Hill

SE15
Peckham Boys (SN1, PYG, SI, DFA, SMD...) - Various Estates in SE15

SE16
Bermondsey Boys - Surrey Quays / Rotherhithe Areas

SE17
Walworth Road Man Dem - Firehouse Youngers / Out To Ball / GK - Heygate/Browning Estates

London Borough of Tower Hamlets (E1, E2, E3, E14)

E1
Brick Lane Massive – Brick Lane, Whitechapel
Cannon Street Posse – Cannon Street Road
Jubilee Street Massive - Clichy Estate
Shadwell Massive – Solander Gardens Area
Stepney Thug Passion – Oceans Estate & Stepney Green

E2
Bethnal Green Somalians – (S) B.Green
Bethnal Green Massive - Bethnal Green
Brady Street Massive - Brady Street

E3
Bow Muslim Souljahs - Bow Church
Devons Road Kruisers – Devons Estate
E3 Massive – South Bow
Elton Man Dem/Deadly Alliance – (S) of Victoria Park, Grafton House/
Ennerdale House
Trellis Square / True Tredegar Thugs

E14
Bartlett Park Crew – Bartlett Park Estate
Burdett Massive - Burdett Road/Estate
Isle of Dogs - TWM & HM
Lansbury Massive - Lansbury Estate
Limehouse Massive – Locksley Estate
Limehouse Fields Estate
Poplar Massive - Poplar

London Borough of Waltham Forest (E4, E10, E11, E15, E17)

E4
Chingford Hall Boys / Stinghall - Chingford Hall Estate
Hatch Man Dem - Hatch Lane
Selrack - Selwyn Avenue Estate

E10
Oliver Close Boys - Oliver Road Estate

E11
Leytonstone Man Dem / Canhall - Leytonstone

E15
Thatch House Thugs - Thatched House

E17
Barrier Boys - Brookscroft Barrier
Beaumont Crew - Beaumont Road Estate
Boundary Boys - Boundary Road Area
Coppermill Thugs - Coppermill Lane
Priory Court / G.M.D - Priory Court Estate
Walthamstow Drive Boys - The Drive
Walthamstow Tamils

Boroughwide
Piff City

London Borough of Wandsworth (SW4, SW8, SW11, SW12, SW15, SW16, SW17, SW18, SW19)

SW8
Patmore Gs - Patmore Estate

SW8/SW11
Stick Up Kids - York Road Estates / Battersea

SW11
Surrey Lane Man Dem - Surrey Lane Estate

SW11/SW12/SW17/SW18/SW19
Brown Gang - Infamous Brown Mob / Madly Greezed Out / Point Then Shoot

SW12
South West Hustlers - Balham

SW16/SW17
Tooting Tamils - Tooting High Road

London Borough of Westminster (W1, W2, W9, SW1, NW1, NW8)

W2
ERB/Edgeware Road - Edgeware Road
GD/Grey Daiz - Warwick Estate
GM/Grimiest Movement

W9/W10
SD/Street Dreams - Ashmore/Mozart

NW8
Lisson Green Man Dem - Lisson Green Estate

[Silencioso]

What's the ethnicity of these gangs? Some are obvious from the name.

Is "Massive" a common gang word in Britain? I remember on that show "Ali G" he was always saying he was from the West End Massive. LOL

[SoulJah]

Massive or Massif is something that tends only to be used by Asian gangs in London, predominantly Bengali gangs. London's Bengali population is almost entirely located in Tower Hamlets borough and around Kings Cross (so postcode areas E1, E2, E3, E14, NW1), but the London Borough of Newham has a large number of Asian gangs also (Asian in UK refers to Indian, Bengali, Pakistani, unlike America where its usually referring to Cambodia, Viets etc..). Im not aware how or why Ali G adopted it? It would have been more appropriate for him to use "West End Man Dem" seeing as though the character often used patois and thought of himself as black associating with reggae and what not


It is estimated that 85% of London's gangs are black, and whilst blacks only account for a small proportion of the population of Greater London, when looking at just the youth population (which covers the age group most likely to be involved in gangs) then this proportion is much greater. Most of the gangs, and certainly all of the main gangs, are located in inner London where those aged 15-20 is only 20% white British.

The ethnic make up of the gangs though usually depends on the ethnic breakdown of the neighbourhood, there are few gangs that are completely homogenous by nationality/ethnicity. Most street gang members in Inner London are black, then Asian, then white. In outer London i would guess that most gangs are either white or black or a mixture of various ethnicities.

Although this isnt the most comprehensive breakdown the following link can give an idea of how ethnicity of gangs can vary across London:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/graphic/0,581 ... 03,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/2 ... hidentity3

If you scroll down to the bottom of that first link and look at white British you can see how they dominate the periphery of the city yet almost nowhere in the central areas relatively speaking

By the way the map of gang territories i posted, the red-green shading is areas that are amongst the 30% most deprived neighbourhoods in the whole of the UK, white is anything outside of the 30%

[Silencioso]

Thanks Souljah,

So the old image of Clockwork Orange type Cockney thugs roaming London is pretty out dated?

[SoulJah]

Thanks Souljah,

So the old image of Clockwork Orange type Cockney thugs roaming London is pretty out dated?

NOT EXACTLY BUT ITS TAKEN A DIFFERENT TURN, MOST OF THOSE THUGS ARE THE FIGHTERS BRAWLERS AND TROUBLE MAKERS OF THE NIGHT TIME ECONOMY CENTRED AROUND THE CITIES TRENDY BARS AND NIGHTCLUBS ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY EVENINGS.

WAS CLOCKWORK ORANGE LONDON?

[Sentenza]

E2
Bethnal Green Somalians – (S) B.Green
Bethnal Green Massive - Bethnal Green
Brady Street Massive - Brady Street

I stayed in Bethnal Green at a friends place 3 years ago, didnt look like they had gangs there, but of course i might be wrong.

[SoulJah]

BETHNAL GREEN IS COMPOSED OF SEVERAL SMALLER NEIGHBOURHOODS. BETHNAL GREEN MASSIVE ARE A BENGALI YOUTH GANG AND BETHNAL GREEN SOMALIANS ARE ALSO A YOUTH GANG, BOTH GANGS WITH REALTIVELY SHORT HISTORIES OWING TO THEIR YOUNG AGE STRUCTURE (14-20). MUCH OF THEIR CRIMINALITY IS VIOLENCE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER AND LOW LEVEL STREET ROBBERY, WITH THE SMALL NUMBER OF OLDER MEMBERS BEING INVOLVED AS LOW LEVEL DEALERS. THE AREA WAS ONCE SYNONYMOUS WITH OLD TRADITIONAL EAST END CRIME FAMILIES, THE KRAYS USED TO RESIDE HERE. THE AREA HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO SOME REGENERATION AND GENTRIFICATION IN POCKETS.

[LONDONSECTION]

firstly to the question on the term "massive", yes as souljah said the term massive is predominantley used by asian street gangs in specific the bengali community. another issue i want to uphold is "bethnal green somalians", is this a joke? i mean yes theres somalians in bethnal green but seriously there is no gangs "bethnal green somalians" i mean as in they are no threat at all, the location bethnal green is predominantley those from the asian background and it is asian gangs which are the largest threat in bethnal green, there are two gangs in specific which are within bethnal green which are "white flatz" gang and "turin street" gang both gangs which are notorious for their crimes ranging from taking responsibilty in shootings and stabbings both of which together hail bethnal green as theres and the postal code "E2". furthermore there is another mistake on this site other than the bethnal green somalians issue, the gangs known as "brady street" is not in the location "E2" it is in the postal code "E1", not only this, this mistake may cause a uprise of anger an violence as the bethnal green massive and brady street massive have a intense rivalry as this dates back many years with history of violence, so this mistake should for the benefit of the people and the website be changed. thank you

[SoulJah]

"white flatz" gang and "turin street"

YO, FORGET ABOUT THEM - IM SURE YOU WILL APPRECIATE THO BRUV THAT IN TRYING TO COMPILE A LIST COVERING THE WHOLE OF LONDON IM GOING TO GET TIRED AND SLIP SOMETIMES, ITS A BIG AREA TO COVER YOU KNOW AND IM NOT LOCAL TO ALL THE ENDS COVERED, IF I WAS COVERING JUST MY OWN BOROUGH THEN I'D ALWAYS BE ON POINT BUT IM TRYING TO INCLUDE EVERYWHERE - BUT SAFE FOR REMINDING ME WOT I MISSED - CANT BELIEVE I MISSED TURIN!!! (THERES A LOT I MISS - BUT THERES MORE THAT I DONT, AND THERES A LOT I AINT WILLING TO LIST - MAYBE BGS SHOULD BE ONE OF DEM)

PLUS I GOT DEPENDENTS, A FULL TIME JOB AND A PART TIME JOB.

"brady street" is not in the location "E2" it is in the postal code "E1",

AGAIN, SAFE FOR BRINGING IT TO MY ATTENTION BRUV, IM WELL AWARE ITS E1 BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE IS A LOT OF DETAIL HERE WHAT IM TRYING TO PRESENT FOR A WHOLE CITY, I UNDERSTAND WHERE UR COMIN FROM, BUT ALLOW ME SOME SLACK INIT - UR POINT ON CAUSIN BEEF, WELL ON POINT LONDONSECTION.

I DIDNT JUST DO ALL THIS MYSELF, MANY PEOPLE HAVE HELPED CREATE THE SITE AND WITHOUT THEM I COULD NEVER HAVE COVERED SUCH A BIG AREA, BUT I DONT ALWAYS HAVE A RELIABLE CONTACT FROM EVERY BOROUGH, AND AS A NON-ASIAN GETTING TO GRIPS WITH TOWER HAMLETS BOROUGH ESPECIALLY AINT EASY

[PEN1 UK]

i heard from my cuz in peckham that there is a tidy crew going by the name nasty boyz they meant to be in peckham hackney n brixton you heard of these lads?

[Silencioso]

I notice from the ethnicity map that the Irish in London live among South Asians. How is that working out?

[LONDONSECTION]

no youve got me wrong, i was not trying to have a go or anything, just was trying to implicate a few corrections for the benefit of everyone, and to the job youve done on this site im quite suprised really to how youve acctually gatherd all this information so brilliantly because of its accuracy and the depth youve gone into all of it. the only thing was that i never would have posted a comment if the mistake i mentioned was minor but it was acctually a quite a big mistake, so thought i would tell you in order for you to change it and benefit from it as it'l stop people looking at that certain part and thinking "wtf". also i know the two gangs as i mentioned may have skipped youre memory but it would be a good correction to youre site as it is already so brilliantly accurate.

[SoulJah]

@LONDON SECTION

THATS COOL B - I HAVE AMENDED THE FULL SITE LIST NOW - WHAT ESTATE IS "WHITE FLATS" I KNOW THE BLOCKS U ARE TALKING BOUT, I THINK SOME YOUT POSTED A VID UP ON YOUTUBE SHOWIN THEIR MERCS ROLLING AROUND, I BEEN DWN THERE B4 - BUT THE VID CUD HAVE BEEN HYPIN IT COS IT WAS FILMED DURING EID SO YOU DONT KNOW IF THEY HIRE CARS OR NOT LOL

[LONDONSECTION]

"white flatz" gang is "minerva estate" in "E2", some more information is that "white flatz" are linked and have a coallition with the "turin street" gang. yes i know whta video you are talking of, on you tube named "eid 2k6", as you know asian boys have a tendency to hire out cars on eid day as it is a day of celebration like for eg ppl hire out limousines on weedings for celebration reason, this is what the video was, the "white flatz yungerz" showing a clip of a few of their high class hired cars coming into their estate in the morning, trying to show even being yungerz they have the power to hire carz of such high status. furthermore if u need any information on gangs within tower hamlets and hackney then i have a vast knowledge in these subject areas.

[razbojnik]

I don't know things are in Western Europe, I guess the youth take more liking into the street gang culture...

But I know for a fact --- in the Balkans --- people perfer Mafia over gangs and most have never heard of the street gang culture that's in the USA and Canada.

Short haircuts, muscular physiques, the sunglasses. All a part of the same culture.

[Grinch]

I don't know things are in Western Europe, I guess the youth take more liking into the street gang culture...

But I know for a fact --- in the Balkans --- people perfer Mafia over gangs and most have never heard of the street gang culture that's in the USA and Canada.

Short haircuts, muscular physiques, the sunglasses. All a part of the same culture.

Same here in poland...

[razbojnik]

I don't know things are in Western Europe, I guess the youth take more liking into the street gang culture...

But I know for a fact --- in the Balkans --- people perfer Mafia over gangs and most have never heard of the street gang culture that's in the USA and Canada.

Short haircuts, muscular physiques, the sunglasses. All a part of the same culture.

Same here in poland...

There you have it.

[Jinky08]

I don't know things are in Western Europe, I guess the youth take more liking into the street gang culture...

If you mean Street gang culture as in based on the way Americans do it, In England it looks like they do that, using words like shank and stuff, from my understanding thats a word they use in american jails, maybe im wrong.

In Glasgow it has its own Gang culture, always has done always will.

[razbojnik]

I don't know things are in Western Europe, I guess the youth take more liking into the street gang culture...

If you mean Street gang culture as in based on the way Americans do it, In England it looks like they do that, using words like shank and stuff, from my understanding thats a word they use in american jails, maybe im wrong.

In Glasgow it has its own Gang culture, always has done always will.

English speaking countries seem to share a similar gang culture, same goes with Germany and France. Poverty is worst in the Balkans in Europe, as well as Eastern Europe(some countries). People in the Balkans perfer the mafia culture over the gang culture, that's for sure. One of my friends in the business offered to hook me up with a heroin deal, 10,000 Euros just for assisting them in the deal while the guy makes the actual sale. Pretty good deal. Fuck I'm wasted its 9 am I still haven't slept...

[dinky]

Some areas of Glasgow male life expectancy is lowest in UK 54 in THE CALTON area for example.

[Jinky08]

Calton is an area of considerable poverty and multiple deprivation. In January 2006, a report into poverty in The Scotsman newspaper stated that "a child born in Calton... is three times as likely to suffer heart disease, four times as likely to be hospitalised and ten times as likely to grow up in a workless household than a child in the city's prosperous western suburbs". Calton has the lowest male life expectancy in Scotland. A BBC Scotland news report on 13 February 2006 pointed out that, partially due to poor diet, crime, alcohol and drug abuse, life expectancy in Calton is lower than in some areas of Iraq or the Gaza Strip. A news report in the 27th October 2006 edition of the Metro newspaper gave the average lifespan of a person living in the Calton area as 53.9 years against a city average of 69 years and the Scottish average of 78. A 2008 World Health Organisation report contrasted Calton's male life expectancy, reported as standing at 54, with that of nearby Lenzie, East Dunbartonshire, at 82.

[dinky]

Jinky what other areas in the east end have the highest problems,i know in general its poor in most places there.

[Jinky08]

As in Health Shettelston is bad, thats all i can remember remeber right now.

Shettleston is the only place in the United Kingdom where life expectancy is falling. Reasons for the decline include poor diets and remarkably high smoking rates. Neighbouring Easterhouse does not fare much better. Locals believe it is a remnant of the old mining days of hard drinking and heavy smoking.

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Everywere is probally just as bad as the next but some of the worste have been givin all new houses like Eaterhoose and Barrafield for instance, Dosent change much thought just looks better from the outside

[cliffard]

souljah are all these crews you mentioned bonafide or just a few youts off the manor? seems to be an awful lot of crews springin up from nowhere, used to live e2 overlookin vicky park, dont know if theres more people jugglin then than now (10 years ago) or whether they just wanna put a name on it.(three letter crews seem very fashionable)
jinky are you from glasgow, murder cappy of western europe, all done with blades as well...up close and personal. any idea why this is?

[cliffard]

i see some london crews identifying as "blood" and "crip"...PLEASE tell me its late and i'm high....PLEASE tell me that ain't the case. or alternatively tell me they've got legit plugs to Cali.this is England, we've got home grown hustlers, roughneck yardmen, mad paddies, asian crews, even some triads/mafiya/mafia etc. why bother with the crip and blood business which we obviously have no linkage to. this is even more embarrassing than NY B's & C's.....

[Jinky08]

souljah are all these crews you mentioned bonafide or just a few youts off the manor? seems to be an awful lot of crews springin up from nowhere, used to live e2 overlookin vicky park, dont know if theres more people jugglin then than now (10 years ago) or whether they just wanna put a name on it.(three letter crews seem very fashionable)
jinky are you from glasgow, murder cappy of western europe, all done with blades as well...up close and personal. any idea why this is?

Yeah im from Glasgow, to be honest i dont know glaswegians just prefer to use the blade, as you say more up close an personal.

[punamusta]

How about the other cities in Scotland? Is Glasgow clearly the most violent city there? I don't know very much about Scotland...

And about those knives... Is the gun laws there very strict and that's why the knives are so commonly used? And what kind of sentences you get from a killing there? Here you can get a life sentence, but the average is that you sit 12-14 years for a murder, and less than that if it was labeled as a manslaughter and not a murder.

[Jinky08]

Mandatory 5 years for possesion of a gun, probally get about 10-15 for murder, the jails in Scotland are very very packed, been on the news that theyre starting to let people out early beacuse of that, most people only do half their sentence, dunno if thats the same everywere else?

Cant really speak on other citys in Scotland cause ive never really left Glasgow lol, but none of them compare to here, Edinburgh is the capital maybe they get up to some stuff, they chookters hate us though lol

[Jinky08]

Is Glasgow clearly the most violent city there?

And about those knives... Is the gun laws there very strict and that's why the knives are so commonly used?

Yeah Glasgow is by far the most violent city, Probally in Britain.

Not to sure if its cause the gun laws, just the generations have been passing it down from the times when it was early early gangs using the open razors n stuff

[punamusta]

Mandatory 5 years for possesion of a gun

So it's same in all UK, right? That's a harsh punishment for carrying a gun... Here you get basically only fines if you get caught with an illegal gun. Of course if you get caught pointing it at people, it's a different thing, but if they only happen to find a gun on you, it's not that big of a deal if that's all they can accuse you.

I think that it must affect somehow that the gun laws there are so strict, but I also do believe that the old knife culture has a share in it. Like even here where the gun laws are pretty allowing, the vast majority of the murders are done with a blade. And as here too there's been a long traditon of using puukko (a traditional finnish knife), I think that people just get stucked to an old habit. And that habit may even be somehow glamorized among certain people and that is what keeps it alive. So I'm thinking that even though you would have more allowing gun laws, the knife culture wouldn't still disappear. Old habits are hard to reject especially when it's stucked on a backbone of a whole nation.

probally get about 10-15 for murder, the jails in Scotland are very very packed, been on the news that theyre starting to let people out early beacuse of that, most people only do half their sentence, dunno if thats the same everywere else?

Ok. So the sentences are pretty much the same there. And yea, also here you serve half of your sentence if you're a first timer (and don't cause troubles). At the second time you'll have to serve the whole sentence. But if you get convicted of murder, you'll have to serve the whole sentence no matter if you're a first timer or not.

Cant really speak on other citys in Scotland cause ive never really left Glasgow lol, but none of them compare to here, Edinburgh is the capital maybe they get up to some stuff, they chookters hate us though lol

Hahah! Someday I'll visit Scotland and come to Glasgow, too. Not to get known with the criminal culture there, but to have a good time. Lof ot people I know have told me good things about Scotland. And the scottish I've met have been good people.

[Jinky08]

Yeah i think its just old traditions that people from Glasgow prefer, Saying that there was a shooting in my scheme last night, guy got shot in the face and stomach.

[dinky]

Its quite common in Scotland for murder charges where a knife has been used to be reduced to manslaughter usually resulting in a 7 yr sentence.If you use a gun its dificult 2 say it wasnt premeditated.I think the main reason we use knives is down 2 tradition gang allegiences r handed down generation 2 generation scheme 2 scheme.