Circle of life!

[CheGuevara]

2004
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Thousands of Albanians and others who fled the Balkans for the United States in recent years have emerged as a serious organized crime problem, threatening to displace La Cosa Nostra (LCN) families as kingpins of U.S. crime, top FBI officials said Wednesday.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/08/18/alban ... index.html

2006
The USA; through his gambling houses he made contacts with Italian-American mafiosi who were slowly being squeezed out by the Albanians clans taking over in New York..."
--Roberto Saviano
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0312427 ... eader-link

2009
“Recent FBI report shows that Albanian mafia overtook the Russian and Italian mafia in New York. Same went for several European cities, including London, Berlin and Prague,” the article adds.

[CheGuevara]

the beauty of life.

[CheGuevara]

2003

Warning over Albanian gangster menace

"We are absolutely determined that these criminals will not get a hold here."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3040388.stm

2004
ALBANIAN gangsters have established a grip on Britain's sex trade by using extreme violence.

Vice squad officers estimate that Albanians now control more than 75 per cent of the country's brothels

http://www.mfa.gov.yu/FDP/times170704.htm

[CheGuevara]

as samuel l. jackson would say to the albanians if he met them, "damn nigga, you work fast!"

[CheGuevara]

for westside's dumbass.... bump.

[thewestside]

You can post all the hyped up articles you want. The proof is in the indictments, which you can't provide. You can't even give a single other example of where the Albanians have tried to take on the Mafia in the U.S.

OK Johnny, forget the Russians and Chinese. Just give us a list of every indictment involving the Albanians in New York over the last decade. I'm sure you have them.

But my guess is, you won't because they come nowhere near to approaching the level of Mafia activity in New York over the same time period. So you'll just stick to your hyped nonsense.

See, the difference between you and me is I actually back up what I say. You accuse others of hype but you're the one hyping Albanians but your hype doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

[CheGuevara]

You can post all the hyped up articles you want. The proof is in the indictments, which you can't provide. You can't even give a single other example of where the Albanians have tried to take on the Mafia in the U.S.

OK Johnny, forget the Russians and Chinese. Just give us a list of every indictment involving the Albanians in New York over the last decade. I'm sure you have them.

But my guess is, you won't because they come nowhere near to approaching the level of Mafia activity in New York over the same time period. So you'll just stick to your hyped nonsense.

See, the difference between you and me is I actually back up what I say. You accuse others of hype but you're the one hyping Albanians but your hype doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

to you:

every thing pro-albanian crime in hype.

indictments equals power even though the police has admitted their incapabilities with albanian gangsters due to their secretiveness, unwillingness to testify and language barrier.

saviano knows less than you.

saviano knows more, sorry but you're a pathetic moron dickhead. now shut up, it's embarassing to look at your words.

[thewestside]

2004
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Thousands of Albanians and others who fled the Balkans for the United States in recent years have emerged as a serious organized crime problem, threatening to displace La Cosa Nostra (LCN) families as kingpins of U.S. crime, top FBI officials said Wednesday.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/08/18/alban ... index.html

Total hype. I'll ask you once again. Where, besides the Rudaj gang, have the Albanians tried to displace the Mafia in the U.S.? If they are the new kingpins of crime, why aren't there more indictments. Surely there would be if they were such a big law enforcement priority.

2006
The USA; through his gambling houses he made contacts with Italian-American mafiosi who were slowly being squeezed out by the Albanians clans taking over in New York..."
--Roberto Saviano
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0312427 ... eader-link

LOL! First, this is a dead link. Second, who is Saviano talking about? It sounds like Rudaj, the one and only example you've been able to dig up.

2009
“Recent FBI report shows that Albanian mafia overtook the Russian and Italian mafia in New York. Same went for several European cities, including London, Berlin and Prague,” the article adds.

THERE IS NO FBI REPORT THAT SAYS THIS YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT!

[CheGuevara]

Total hype. I'll ask you once again. Where, besides the Rudaj gang, have the Albanians tried to displace the Mafia in the U.S.? If they are the new kingpins of crime, why aren't there more indictments. Surely there would be if they were such a big law enforcement priority.

the fbi has four main groups. the albanians, italians, russians and chinese. albanians wouldn't have their own division if they weren't a big threat. second, the fbi said it not me. therefore, it's true. i know it eats you up dickhead.

displace does not mean shove out by force. albanians simply start taking over rackets, meaning selling guns at a cheapr rate for examples or drugs or anything. it's more about out-competing them. not forcing them out. understand? albanian > italian, albanians stronger, better criminals? get it? go play now boy, go, go who wants the ball? you wannt the ball, go get it!

LOL! First, this is a dead link. Second, who is Saviano talking about? It sounds like Rudaj, the one and only example you've been able to dig up.

yes, he is talking about rudaj, nevermind the fact that he said CLANS, not clan dickhead.

THERE IS NO FBI REPORT THAT SAYS THIS YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT!

yes there is. look it up dickhead.

[thewestside]

the fbi has four main groups. the albanians, italians, russians and chinese. albanians wouldn't have their own division if they weren't a big threat. second, the fbi said it not me. therefore, it's true. i know it eats you up dickhead.

But you're always quick to take anything at face value as long as it's good for Albanians. Even some official sources you have to look deeper into. But you don't when Albanians are involved. I've already explained this to you many times. The same hype about new groups has come from both media and law enforcement sources in years past. It's a cyclical thing. But unless it translates to actual indictments, it ultimately proves to be just that - hype.

And once again, you're showing your ignorance as far as the FBI goes. Under their Criminal Division their organized crime investigations are categorized the following way:

1. Italian Organized Crime - under this category you have La Cosa Nostra and the four major Italian syndicates.

2. Eurasian Criminal Enterprises - under this category you have all groups from Russia and Eastern Europe, as well as all Balkan groups. You also have all Middle Eastern Groups. The Russians are simply the foremost of the Eurasian groups and the Albanians the foremost of the Balkan groups.

3. The third category is covers both Asian groups, of which the Chinese are the foremost, as well as all African groups.

displace does not mean shove out by force. albanians simply start taking over rackets, meaning selling guns at a cheapr rate for examples or drugs or anything. it's more about out-competing them. not forcing them out. understand? albanian > italian, albanians stronger, better criminals? get it? go play now boy, go, go who wants the ball? you wannt the ball, go get it!

That's right, just start making stuff up. When in doubt, Johnny is always ready to go with his own assumptions. You have an excuse for everything.

yes, he is talking about rudaj, nevermind the fact that he said CLANS, not clan dickhead.

Well just like others who have said the same thing, he's wrong if he thinks there has been a single other Albanian group that has posed a threat to the Mafia here in the U.S.

yes there is. look it up dickhead.

I have dipshit. There is no report. If there is, maybe you should provide it and prove me wrong. But once again, you won't because you can't.

[CheGuevara]

But you're always quick to take anything at face value as long as it's good for Albanians. Even some official sources you have to look deeper into. But you don't when Albanians are involved. I've already explained this to you many times. The same hype about new groups has come from both media and law enforcement sources in years past. It's a cyclical thing. But unless it translates to actual indictments, it ultimately proves to be just that - hype.

And once again, you're showing your ignorance as far as the FBI goes. Under their Criminal Division their organized crime investigations are categorized the following way:

you have more internet stamina then i do. meaning you can type longer about pointless shit then i can. which is why my sentences are so short and yours are so long. funny thing is you're just repeating the same shit but just choose to make it long.

That's right, just start making stuff up. When in doubt, Johnny is always ready to go with his own assumptions. You have an excuse for everything.

i am just trying to explain to you the most simple of things dumbass.

Well just like others who have said the same thing, he's wrong if he thinks there has been a single other Albanian group that has posed a threat to the Mafia here in the U.S.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO omg.... ^^^^^^

I have dipshit. There is no report. If there is, maybe you should provide it and prove me wrong. But once again, you won't because you can't.

copy and paste the fucking thing moron.

[CheGuevara]

Well just like others who have said the same thing, he's wrong if he thinks there has been a single other Albanian group that has posed a threat to the Mafia here in the U.S.

lmfaoooooo priceless. robeto saviano, an expert. criticized by thewestside. just out of curiosity, dickhead, how many books have you written on the mob? honestly.

[thewestside]

lmfaoooooo priceless. robeto saviano, an expert. criticized by thewestside. just out of curiosity, dickhead, how many books have you written on the mob? honestly.

Just because someone is an author, it doesn't make them infallible. Saviano is wrong in his assessement of Albanians pushing aside the Mafia in the U.S. It's not me saying that. It's the facts saying that. Of course, if Saviano were to say something about Albanians you didn't like, you would automatically discount him like you did Capeci.

[CheGuevara]

Just because someone is an author, it doesn't make them infallible. Saviano is wrong in his assessement of Albanians pushing aside the Mafia in the U.S. It's not me saying that. It's the facts saying that. Of course, if Saviano were to say something about Albanians you didn't like, you would automatically discount him like you did Capeci.

no actually if saviano agreed with capeci, i would realize that it's true. two different people don't say the same things for no reason. but saviano was correct. the Albanian criminals are taking over in new york. capeci? what work has he done on the albanians? has he written anything about any group or personality? no, all he did was mention the Albanians once. but that's all it takes to make him credible to you, to downsize the Albanians. even though you discredited him when he said something you don't like. my god you have problems.

[thewestside]

no actually if saviano agreed with capeci, i would realize that it's true. two different people don't say the same things for no reason. but saviano was correct. the Albanian criminals are taking over in new york. capeci? what work has he done on the albanians? has he written anything about any group or personality? no, all he did was mention the Albanians once. but that's all it takes to make him credible to you, to downsize the Albanians. even though you discredited him when he said something you don't like. my god you have problems.

Saviano has written relatively little on Albanians. And what he has written has been mainly with respect to their activities in Europe. What he has said about them in the U.S. - specifically New York - has been the same hyped nonsense that some other media sources have said. I realize you wish they were taking over, but the facts as they stand right now show that not to be the case. As I've said over and over again, all we are seeing is the same predictions of the Albanians taking over that we did for the Russians in the 1990's and the Chinese in the 1980's. Like those two groups, they will establish themselves in the New York underworld but they won't take over. And I think you know that. If they were taking over, there would be a lot more evidence of it. But there's not. That's why I agree with Capeci - because the facts support what he says. Not because he's trying to "downsize" Albanians.

[CheGuevara]

Saviano has written relatively little on Albanians. And what he has written has been mainly with respect to their activities in Europe. What he has said about them in the U.S. - specifically New York - has been the same hyped nonsense that some other media sources have said. I realize you wish they were taking over, but the facts as they stand right now show that not to be the case. As I've said over and over again, all we are seeing is the same predictions of the Albanians taking over that we did for the Russians in the 1990's and the Chinese in the 1980's. Like those two groups, they will establish themselves in the New York underworld but they won't take over. And I think you know that. If they were taking over, there would be a lot more evidence of it. But there's not. That's why I agree with Capeci - because the facts support what he says. Not because he's trying to "downsize" Albanians.

saviano wrote enough about Albanians. capeci hasn't written anything about them. what other media reports? there is no Albanians are taking over hype from the media. cnn released one article saying that because they got an interview with the fbi and in particular chris swecker. hardly media hype. secondly, saviano would not base his entire statement on one single report, that is if he ever even seen that small little report.

what facts? the facts ARE there. if the fbi and saviano say it, then those are facts. you choose not to believe it because it is some kind of sick wish that you have that the italian criminals stay the top criminals in new york. i don't know what type of physco affection you have for italian criminals but this is really messed up.

[thewestside]

saviano wrote enough about Albanians. capeci hasn't written anything about them. what other media reports? there is no Albanians are taking over hype from the media. cnn released one article saying that because they got an interview with the fbi and in particular chris swecker. hardly media hype. secondly, saviano would not base his entire statement on one single report, that is if he ever even seen that small little report.

what facts? the facts ARE there. if the fbi and saviano say it, then those are facts. you choose not to believe it because it is some kind of sick wish that you have that the italian criminals stay the top criminals in new york. i don't know what type of physco affection you have for italian criminals but this is really messed up.

I've given you direct sources from the FBI that say the Mafia is the top group in New York. And even more so, we have the comparative indictments which are the clearest indicator of who the FBI feels is the biggest investigative priority for them. You ignore all of this and go with one hyped CNN article and some quotes by an author over in Italy. Talk about grasping at straws. I mean, maybe you'd have an argument if the indictments of Albanian groups, or the Russians or the Chinese, in New York was somewhat close to those of the Mafia. But they're not. Even if you add up all the indictments in New York over the past decade of all three groups - the Russians, Chinese, and Albanians - it doesn't come close to that of the five Mafia families. Furthermore, the FBI still has Italian organized crime under it's own section. It lumps in Russians with Albanians, Balkan organized crime being a sub-section of their Eurasian organized crime section. And it lumps Asian organized crime in with African organized crime. Back in the early 1990's, the FBI did a similar thing when they felt the Bonannos were sufficiently weakened at the time, they combined the squad investigating the Bonannos with the one investigating the Colombos.

[CheGuevara]

I've given you direct sources from the FBI that say the Mafia is the top group in New York. And even more so, we have the comparative indictments which are the clearest indicator of who the FBI feels is the biggest investigative priority for them. You ignore all of this and go with one hyped CNN article and some quotes by an author over in Italy. Talk about grasping at straws. I mean, maybe you'd have an argument if the indictments of Albanian groups, or the Russians or the Chinese, in New York was somewhat close to those of the Mafia. But they're not. Even if you add up all the indictments in New York over the past decade of all three groups - the Russians, Chinese, and Albanians - it doesn't come close to that of the five Mafia families. Furthermore, the FBI still has Italian organized crime under it's own section. It lumps in Russians with Albanians, Balkan organized crime being a sub-section of their Eurasian organized crime section. And it lumps Asian organized crime in with African organized crime. Back in the early 1990's, the FBI did a similar thing when they felt the Bonannos were sufficiently weakened at the time, they combined the squad investigating the Bonannos with the one investigating the Colombos.

you're a fucking moron. in every way. stop mentioning the indictments, they don't mean anything. i have told you once, even if the fbi launced a war against albanian organized crime, there is no way they could make as many albanian arrests as italian. italian criminals are caught with wiretaps, snitches, you name it. with albanian organized crime, it's very hard. must i repeat the fact that michigan police have admitted they FAILED at cracking down on albanian organized crime because of their clannishness? something police have not said about italians in a longggggggggggggggg time. most of the time, the fbi catches Albanians red handed, or if they make really big/loud mistakes like rudaj. the indictments have NOTHING to do with the conversation at hand.

now the albanians are lumped in with the russians? oh wow, another flat out lie. the 31 year old virgin does it again.

as for the indictment comparison. i already told you, just rudaj and gazmir gjoka's group is 52 people. not to mention all the smaller arrests. the problem with comparing indictments is that not every indicted albanian will make the news. while if even mentioned as an organized crime associate, you're on the front page. even joseph garcia said this. see look at the yacs arrests just recently, i didn't even see that until you showed it to me and would have probably never seen it. you're a liar and completely dillusional if you think italian indictments can number more then all three groups. off the top of my head when rudaj got indicted, the chinese got 52 people indicted. the russians 17 in north carolina. i think there were 26 people in vegas indicted, many albanian and russian. but again, this is pointless, like i said, not every albanian/russian/chinese arrest will be brought to light and i personally do not have every arrest of those people. while something like every italian arrest in the past decade might be found on some mafia website because many people stroll the net for the lcn.

since you like to compare so much. the yacs group is 300 members strong. bigger then the gambinos, genovese, colombo, bannano or lucchese family. and remember when you call the yacs group just a name for any robber of albanian/serbian/croatian background lol! man, it's really funny to see your theories corrected so many times.

[thewestside]

you're a #%@&#%@ moron. in every way. stop mentioning the indictments, they don't mean anything. i have told you once, even if the fbi launced a war against albanian organized crime, there is no way they could make as many albanian arrests as italian. italian criminals are caught with wiretaps, snitches, you name it. with albanian organized crime, it's very hard. must i repeat the fact that michigan police have admitted they FAILED at cracking down on albanian organized crime because of their clannishness? something police have not said about italians in a longggggggggggggggg time. most of the time, the fbi catches Albanians red handed, or if they make really big/loud mistakes like rudaj. the indictments have NOTHING to do with the conversation at hand.

You are beyond delusional. Because of what the Michigan Police said about one investigation, you act as if all law enforcement from the feds on down are just helpless when it comes to Albanian organized crime. You act like Albanians are these brilliant arch-criminals that toy with the feds. The truth is, while they always have problems with new groups, that doesn't mean they are in the dark about them. And if the Albanians were as big a factor as you like to believe, and as some hyped reports have claimed, there would be more indictments. It's that simple.

now the albanians are lumped in with the russians? oh wow, another flat out lie. the 31 year old virgin does it again.

Are you just stupid? Go back and read what I typed. Under the FBI's investigation framework, Balkan Organized Crime (of which the Albanians are a part) is a sub-section of Eurasian Organized Crime (of which the Russians are a part). It's not saying they're the exact same thing. Asian and African groups are different but they're also combined into one part. Meanwhile, Italian Organized Crime still has it's own section. Once again, it's all about investigational priorities, which come from activity.

as for the indictment comparison. i already told you, just rudaj and gazmir gjoka's group is 52 people. not to mention all the smaller arrests. the problem with comparing indictments is that not every indicted albanian will make the news. while if even mentioned as an organized crime associate, you're on the front page. even joseph garcia said this. see look at the yacs arrests just recently, i didn't even see that until you showed it to me and would have probably never seen it. you're a liar and completely dillusional if you think italian indictments can number more then all three groups. off the top of my head when rudaj got indicted, the chinese got 52 people indicted. the russians 17 in north carolina. i think there were 26 people in vegas indicted, many albanian and russian. but again, this is pointless, like i said, not every albanian/russian/chinese arrest will be brought to light and i personally do not have every arrest of those people. while something like every italian arrest in the past decade might be found on some mafia website because many people stroll the net for the lcn.

Did you even bother to look at the list I gave you of the Mafia indictments in New York? There have been multiple cases over the last decade that have had more than 52 defendants. So you're going to have to do better than rattling off some cases off the top of your head.

Give a detailed list like I did. Include the month and year from 2000 to the present of any and all cases involving Albanian, Russian, and Chinese groups. And in fact, I'll even let you include cases from all over the country, while I'll just keep the Mafia ones confined to the five New York families. C'mon Johnny, actually back yourself up for once. You're all about making comparisons. Well here's your chance to prove Albanians are as strong as you say they are. And I'm even letting you also include Russian and Chinese groups from all over the country. Put up or shut the hell up.

since you like to compare so much. the yacs group is 300 members strong. bigger then the gambinos, genovese, colombo, bannano or lucchese family. and remember when you call the yacs group just a name for any robber of albanian/serbian/croatian background lol! man, it's really funny to see your theories corrected so many times.

First, there isn't just a single YACS group. They are many of them, loosely organized, and made up of various people from Balkan countries. It isn't like some kind of monolithic organization with a set hierarchy. We're talking about burglary rings here, not a hierarchial syndicate. Second, can you even count? So you have 300 people in these rings? Well, as I said, each of the five New York families has anywhere from 100-200 members and hundreds more associates. Even even the smallest Mafia family in the city is bigger than all these YACS groups. But I guess that's the best you can come up with huh? That or go back to claiming there 1 out of every 100 Albanians is a "full time gangster."

[thewestside]

I should also point out that a crime group doesn't have to make the news for us to know about it. The media picks up on some stories, others they don't. But there will always be press releases and indictments made public from the Justice Department, the FBI, District Attorney's offices, etc. That, even more than articles, is how I've found most of the indictments on all these groups. So sorry, Johnny, you don't have the media not covering these other groups as an excuse. It's all right there in the sources I listed above. But as we both know, your knowledge does not extend beyond what you can find in a quick Google search. No wonder you are as clueless as you are.

[Dobre]

[CheGuevara]

You are beyond delusional. Because of what the Michigan Police said about one investigation, you act as if all law enforcement from the feds on down are just helpless when it comes to Albanian organized crime. You act like Albanians are these brilliant arch-criminals that toy with the feds. The truth is, while they always have problems with new groups, that doesn't mean they are in the dark about them. And if the Albanians were as big a factor as you like to believe, and as some hyped reports have claimed, there would be more indictments. It's that simple.

first of all, the police captain was not talking about an investigation. he said we have tried to infiltrate them (albanian criminals in michigan) but have failed. they are real clannish. secondly, albanians are only more invulnerable to indictments then anyone else because they were taught with a clannish outlook on life and because the albanian language is so small and difficult. not to mention if there should be an albanian snitch that cooperates in court, his family would be open to the gjakmarrje law. these are the three main reasons albanian criminals are more invulnerable to indictments. it has nothing to do with their brains or iq's.

like with rudaj, how did they catch him? through a greek rat wearing a wire. gazmir gjoka, through those two american pilots... but what about the majority of albanian criminals who choose to almost always deal strictly with albanians, how are they going to get to them? they can't except for dry snitches. just a little visualization.

Are you just stupid? Go back and read what I typed. Under the FBI's investigation framework, Balkan Organized Crime (of which the Albanians are a part) is a sub-section of Eurasian Organized Crime (of which the Russians are a part). It's not saying they're the exact same thing. Asian and African groups are different but they're also combined into one part. Meanwhile, Italian Organized Crime still has it's own section. Once again, it's all about investigational priorities, which come from activity.

balkan organized crime is it's own section. it has nothing to do with eurasian organized crime. albania is no where near russia or asia.

Did you even bother to look at the list I gave you of the Mafia indictments in New York? There have been multiple cases over the last decade that have had more than 52 defendants. So you're going to have to do better than rattling off some cases off the top of your head.

Give a detailed list like I did. Include the month and year from 2000 to the present of any and all cases involving Albanian, Russian, and Chinese groups. And in fact, I'll even let you include cases from all over the country, while I'll just keep the Mafia ones confined to the five New York families. C'mon Johnny, actually back yourself up for once. You're all about making comparisons. Well here's your chance to prove Albanians are as strong as you say they are. And I'm even letting you also include Russian and Chinese groups from all over the country. Put up or shut the hell up.

first of all, i am not going to do that mainly because it's friday and secondly because it would be boring as hell and i got enough to do for school this weekend.

secondly, like i said, indictments don't mean anything, so even if i suddenly found all Albanian arrests (3,789 from 1992-2002 alone according to the FBI) and it equalled more or less then italian arrests, it would not mean anything. like i said, the fbi has no where near enough resources to deal with albanians like they do with italians. they even put a cuban guy as a snitch, with albanians i would literally be shocked if they put a serbian as a wiretap with albanians, it couldn't happen.

First, there isn't just a single YACS group. They are many of them, loosely organized, and made up of various people from Balkan countries. It isn't like some kind of monolithic organization with a set hierarchy. We're talking about burglary rings here, not a hierarchial syndicate. Second, can you even count? So you have 300 people in these rings? Well, as I said, each of the five New York families has anywhere from 100-200 members and hundreds more associates. Even even the smallest Mafia family in the city is bigger than all these YACS groups. But I guess that's the best you can come up with huh? That or go back to claiming there 1 out of every 100 Albanians is a "full time gangster."

the YACS group is mainly Albanian. since you like indictment proof so much, go back and read the names of all the indicted YACS group members. even this last bust, they were all Albanian and one Italian alarm guy. secondly, the YACS burglary groups are all connected as one. therefore it is one organization. as for associates, who knows how many associates each YACS group has. it's bigger then any family by almost 100 members.

as for the 1 out of 100 thing. that was a light estimate, it's probably more. unfortunately due to the dick also known as enver hoxha.

[Dobre]

You are beyond delusional. Because of what the Michigan Police said about one investigation, you act as if all law enforcement from the feds on down are just helpless when it comes to Albanian organized crime. You act like Albanians are these brilliant arch-criminals that toy with the feds. The truth is, while they always have problems with new groups, that doesn't mean they are in the dark about them. And if the Albanians were as big a factor as you like to believe, and as some hyped reports have claimed, there would be more indictments. It's that simple.

first of all, the police captain was not talking about an investigation. he said we have tried to infiltrate them (albanian criminals in michigan) but have failed. they are real clannish. secondly, albanians are only more invulnerable to indictments then anyone else because they were taught with a clannish outlook on life and because the albanian language is so small and difficult. not to mention if there should be an albanian snitch that cooperates in court, his family would be open to the gjakmarrje law. these are the three main reasons albanian criminals are more invulnerable to indictments. it has nothing to do with their brains or iq's.

like with rudaj, how did they catch him? through a greek rat wearing a wire. gazmir gjoka, through those two american pilots... but what about the majority of albanian criminals who choose to almost always deal strictly with albanians, how are they going to get to them? they can't except for dry snitches. just a little visualization.

Are you just stupid? Go back and read what I typed. Under the FBI's investigation framework, Balkan Organized Crime (of which the Albanians are a part) is a sub-section of Eurasian Organized Crime (of which the Russians are a part). It's not saying they're the exact same thing. Asian and African groups are different but they're also combined into one part. Meanwhile, Italian Organized Crime still has it's own section. Once again, it's all about investigational priorities, which come from activity.

balkan organized crime is it's own section. it has nothing to do with eurasian organized crime. albania is no where near russia or asia.

Did you even bother to look at the list I gave you of the Mafia indictments in New York? There have been multiple cases over the last decade that have had more than 52 defendants. So you're going to have to do better than rattling off some cases off the top of your head.

Give a detailed list like I did. Include the month and year from 2000 to the present of any and all cases involving Albanian, Russian, and Chinese groups. And in fact, I'll even let you include cases from all over the country, while I'll just keep the Mafia ones confined to the five New York families. C'mon Johnny, actually back yourself up for once. You're all about making comparisons. Well here's your chance to prove Albanians are as strong as you say they are. And I'm even letting you also include Russian and Chinese groups from all over the country. Put up or shut the hell up.

first of all, i am not going to do that mainly because it's friday and secondly because it would be boring as hell and i got enough to do for school this weekend.

secondly, like i said, indictments don't mean anything, so even if i suddenly found all Albanian arrests (3,789 from 1992-2002 alone according to the FBI) and it equalled more or less then italian arrests, it would not mean anything. like i said, the fbi has no where near enough resources to deal with albanians like they do with italians. they even put a cuban guy as a snitch, with albanians i would literally be shocked if they put a serbian as a wiretap with albanians, it couldn't happen.

First, there isn't just a single YACS group. They are many of them, loosely organized, and made up of various people from Balkan countries. It isn't like some kind of monolithic organization with a set hierarchy. We're talking about burglary rings here, not a hierarchial syndicate. Second, can you even count? So you have 300 people in these rings? Well, as I said, each of the five New York families has anywhere from 100-200 members and hundreds more associates. Even even the smallest Mafia family in the city is bigger than all these YACS groups. But I guess that's the best you can come up with huh? That or go back to claiming there 1 out of every 100 Albanians is a "full time gangster."

the YACS group is mainly Albanian. since you like indictment proof so much, go back and read the names of all the indicted YACS group members. even this last bust, they were all Albanian and one Italian alarm guy. secondly, the YACS burglary groups are all connected as one. therefore it is one organization. as for associates, who knows how many associates each YACS group has. it's bigger then any family by almost 100 members.

as for the 1 out of 100 thing. that was a light estimate, it's probably more. unfortunately due to the dick also known as enver hoxha.

OH FOR FUCKS SAKES LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Who gives a fucking shit about the fucking extinct fucking YACS group LOL?? Honestly?

The owner of

http://www.rasputinvodkabar.com/

Is Bulgarian. Nuff said. This was also his

http://www.pravdavodkabar.com/

But 'they stole it'. This guy is just a typical 50 year old thug.

They're more of the Eastern Promises type. This guy on the other hand

http://www.kaneff.com/

Is more or so the Godfather type. He's arrogant and flamboyant. He had the mayor of Sauga, the princess of Bulgaria, the Peel chief of police, the mayor of Brampton and a bunch of his friends over from Bulgaria. Even his brother came over for his birthday. Then we went to his golf courses. His brother beat him. His brother trained in BG especially so he'd beat him. The Bulgarian people hate him. The last time he went there he nearly got assasinated and had to leave the country. That's what you do when you leave the country with trainloads full of gold bullion with the Nazi's, bleeding the people dry. Hooked up with some Jew in the 1950s and started Sauga. The Bugsy of Canada, as you would call him.

Of course that's petty guys compared to

http://www.furnituretoronto.com/shopping/homepage.aspx

So what, a furniture store? I mean yeah, it's impossible for them to have a multimillion dollar mansion in Etobicoke through a furniture store. They're my aunt and uncle. Their son is head of some import-export business in Cyprus and they have offshore bank accounts. Tells you something. Also, weren't they from that side of the family that ran

http://www.ob.com.mk/en/index.asp

Yeah they were...

Also, I wasn't being sarcastic when I called Gruevski my uncle. As the entire human race is related...and Macedonians in general...this guy is a little closer to home.

[Dobre]

A glass of rakija - 40 mkd
A kafana - 100,000 Euros
Damages to the kafana - 20,000 Euros

Knowing you won't have to pay off the damages you've made because of a beautiful thing called royal intermarrige...priceless.