bosses, underbosses & consiglieri of 5 families Rudaj...?

[CheGuevara]

Yeah, I just told you that you have sources on Albanian organized crime. Cherrypicked sources that is. And you're always happy to bring them out. But we're not talking about Albanians right now are we? We're talking about your BS claim that Mexicans have corrupted cops, judges, and politicians in the U.S. But here, you're not willing to put forth any sources. And there are two reasons. One, because you haven't even researched this in the first place but are simply going on pure assumption again. And two, because you know you would come up empty. You're content to just stonewall rather than admit you are wrong.

yes, they're cherrypicked because they proved you dead wrong. that's the only reason you refer to them as cherry picked. there is only one reason why i won't go and research who the mexicans have corrupted here in the united states, because i don't have names and sources on microsoft. if i did, i would happily give them to you. but as i said, you're simply not worth doing research for. you don't mean that much to me. you can think whatever you want.

LOL! Youre double talk just keeps getting better and better Johnny.

"The Mafia may have reached it's peak in the 1950's but the Italians reached their peak in the 1920's."

"You didn't prove me wrong. You proved yourself right."

LOL!

i stand by both of them. proving yourself right is usually wrong. and the italians did hit their peak in the 1920's. however, the mafia hit their peak in the 1950's.

Doesn't mean it did happen either. But you're just happy to assume all sorts of things aren't you? And when you don't have any facts or sources to show, you pull out the personal anecotes, i.e. stories you claim to have heard, as if we're supposed to believe a repeated liar like you.

yes, it does mean it happened if officials are talking about non-stop. liar? what exactly have i lied about dick?

How many times do I have to tell you this you stupid Albanian refugee? Not all the families required a strict Sicilian membership. And much of that was done away with once the Mafia established itself on a national level. And once again, Capone and the Chicago mob became part of the Mafia after that. So your whole excuse falls flat. But we both know you are just grabbing at straws because you don't have anything.

al capone never became part of the mafia. al capone got locked up in 1931. he might have planned on becoming part of it but he wasen't. there were other gangsters (mostly non-sicilians) who weren't part of the mafia as well. al capone just happened to be the most important non-mafia member. albanian refugee? i love that title :D:D

Prohibition was the biggest part of what put organized crime on the map. But it wasn't the golden age, at least not for the Mafia, because they still were establishing themselves and weren't as sophisticated, entrenched, and powerful as they would become. Now fast forward to the 1950's and 1960's. The Mafia was the sole dominant criminal organization which was national in scope, the Irish and Jewish groups (except for a few) having fallen by the way side. There was no more infighting amongst the familes like during Prohibition. The Commission had national influence. The union movement was in full swing and they controlled all the major ones like the ILA, the Teamsters, the Laborers, and the HEREIU. They had the casinos in Las Vegas as well as the ones in Cuba before Castro took over. They still had just as much influence over politicians, judges, cops, etc. They controlled the lion's share of illegal rackets, including narcotics, in numerous cities.

they had all of this (except a few things) in the 1920s as well and they had prohibition which was drowning people in money. not as entrenched? okay, i've asked you before, name me one gangster in the 1950's which has the sway over politics and an american city like al capone. you CANNOT. nobody, except for maybe luciano had the power al capone had.

Once again you show your ignorance on this subject. Capone knocked down the mayor of Cicero - not of Chicago - during an argument and the cops didn't do anything. But if that's all you have to show Capone was more powerful, you don't have anything. Capone's organization wasn't nearly as sophisticated and expansive as it would become under Accardo and other Chicago bosses during the 1950's and 1960's.

yeah, sure. whatever you say idiot. accardo was more powerful than capone. ou, i messed up cicero with chicago. who could possibly make that mistake? :S:S i mean i read about it 3 years ago. please forgive me you dickheaded virgin.

But leave it to you to try and use something like this as an example. Kind of like your claim that just because Rudaj pointed a gun at the Gambinos, he and his group must have been a sixth family capable of taking on the Mafia.

he didn't point a gun at the gambinos. one of his bodyguards at the meeting pointed a gun at the gambino boss' head. another one pointed it at a gas pump. rudaj was just there probably smiling at the italians' stupidity. he probably told arnold he was going to eat him like he told those italians he threw out soccer fever lmaoooo. you and your eye-italians.

[CheGuevara]

Yeah, I just told you that you have sources on Albanian organized crime. Cherrypicked sources that is. And you're always happy to bring them out. But we're not talking about Albanians right now are we? We're talking about your BS claim that Mexicans have corrupted cops, judges, and politicians in the U.S. But here, you're not willing to put forth any sources. And there are two reasons. One, because you haven't even researched this in the first place but are simply going on pure assumption again. And two, because you know you would come up empty. You're content to just stonewall rather than admit you are wrong.

yes, they're cherrypicked because they proved you dead wrong. that's the only reason you refer to them as cherry picked. there is only one reason why i won't go and research who the mexicans have corrupted here in the united states, because i don't have names and sources on microsoft. if i did, i would happily give them to you. but as i said, you're simply not worth doing research for. you don't mean that much to me. you can think whatever you want.

LOL! Youre double talk just keeps getting better and better Johnny.

"The Mafia may have reached it's peak in the 1950's but the Italians reached their peak in the 1920's."

"You didn't prove me wrong. You proved yourself right."

LOL!

i stand by both of them. proving yourself right is usually wrong. and the italians did hit their peak in the 1920's. however, the mafia hit their peak in the 1950's.

Doesn't mean it did happen either. But you're just happy to assume all sorts of things aren't you? And when you don't have any facts or sources to show, you pull out the personal anecotes, i.e. stories you claim to have heard, as if we're supposed to believe a repeated liar like you.

yes, it does mean it happened if officials are talking about non-stop. liar? what exactly have i lied about dick?

How many times do I have to tell you this you stupid Albanian refugee? Not all the families required a strict Sicilian membership. And much of that was done away with once the Mafia established itself on a national level. And once again, Capone and the Chicago mob became part of the Mafia after that. So your whole excuse falls flat. But we both know you are just grabbing at straws because you don't have anything.

al capone never became part of the mafia. al capone got locked up in 1931. he might have planned on becoming part of it but he wasen't. there were other gangsters (mostly non-sicilians) who weren't part of the mafia as well. al capone just happened to be the most important non-mafia member. albanian refugee? i love that title :D:D

Prohibition was the biggest part of what put organized crime on the map. But it wasn't the golden age, at least not for the Mafia, because they still were establishing themselves and weren't as sophisticated, entrenched, and powerful as they would become. Now fast forward to the 1950's and 1960's. The Mafia was the sole dominant criminal organization which was national in scope, the Irish and Jewish groups (except for a few) having fallen by the way side. There was no more infighting amongst the familes like during Prohibition. The Commission had national influence. The union movement was in full swing and they controlled all the major ones like the ILA, the Teamsters, the Laborers, and the HEREIU. They had the casinos in Las Vegas as well as the ones in Cuba before Castro took over. They still had just as much influence over politicians, judges, cops, etc. They controlled the lion's share of illegal rackets, including narcotics, in numerous cities.

they had all of this (except a few things) in the 1920s as well and they had prohibition which was drowning people in money. not as entrenched? okay, i've asked you before, name me one gangster in the 1950's which has the sway over politics and an american city like al capone. you CANNOT. nobody, except for maybe luciano had the power al capone had.

Once again you show your ignorance on this subject. Capone knocked down the mayor of Cicero - not of Chicago - during an argument and the cops didn't do anything. But if that's all you have to show Capone was more powerful, you don't have anything. Capone's organization wasn't nearly as sophisticated and expansive as it would become under Accardo and other Chicago bosses during the 1950's and 1960's.

yeah, sure. whatever you say idiot. accardo was more powerful than capone. ou, i messed up cicero with chicago. who could possibly make that mistake? :S:S i mean i read about it 3 years ago. please forgive me you dickheaded virgin.

But leave it to you to try and use something like this as an example. Kind of like your claim that just because Rudaj pointed a gun at the Gambinos, he and his group must have been a sixth family capable of taking on the Mafia.

he didn't point a gun at the gambinos. one of his bodyguards at the meeting pointed a gun at the gambino boss' head. another one pointed it at a gas pump. rudaj was just there probably smiling at the italians' stupidity. he probably told arnold he was going to eat him like he told those italians he threw out soccer fever lmaoooo. you and your eye-talians.

[Azure9920]

they had all of this (except a few things) in the 1920s as well and they had prohibition which was drowning people in money. not as entrenched? okay, i've asked you before, name me one gangster in the 1950's which has the sway over politics and an american city like al capone. you CANNOT. nobody, except for maybe luciano had the power al capone had.

Now, I've seen you mention him here before, so obviously you know who Tony Accardo is.

Had you read the article on the Outfit on Rick Porrelo's website, you might have a different tune. Although, somehow I doubt that.

[Azure9920]

"The first order of business was to increase the size of the pie. While this expansion started while Capone was still in charge, it accelerated under Nitti as Prohibition ended."

"During the 1950s, the Outfit was at the peak of its power."

[CheGuevara]

not only his website claims the outfit reached it's peak in the 1950's. many other do as well. however, i don't believe it. accardo did not have the sway al capone had over the city. capone practically owned the city while accardo is a name nobody knows about except for researchers and people interested in organized crime.

[thewestside]

yes, they're cherrypicked because they proved you dead wrong.

Hardly.

that's the only reason you refer to them as cherry picked.

Nope. I refer to them as "cherrypicked" because you research Albanian organized crime almost exclusively and do next to no research on anything else. You have a preconceived notion - or wish - that Albanians are superior and than you solely look for things that confirm this at the expense of everything else. And if there are two equal sources saying two opposite things, you will ALWAYS go with whatever makes the Albanians look superior. Nothing but cherrypicking and more cherrypicking. And don't just ask my word for it. Everyone else on this board will tell you the same thing.

there is only one reason why i won't go and research who the mexicans have corrupted here in the united states, because i don't have names and sources on microsoft. if i did, i would happily give them to you. but as i said, you're simply not worth doing research for. you don't mean that much to me. you can think whatever you want.

Wait, what happened to your Google searches? That's where you do all your so called "research." Does Google not work if you aren't looking for stuff on Albanians?

i stand by both of them. proving yourself right is usually wrong. and the italians did hit their peak in the 1920's. however, the mafia hit their peak in the 1950's.

Standing by it just shows you are stubborn in addition to being stupid. You'd rather continue to look like an idiot than simply admit you are wrong. Congratulations.

yes, it does mean it happened if officials are talking about non-stop. liar? what exactly have i lied about dick?

Another Johnny exaggeration. Officials aren't talking about Albanians "nonstop." They are talking about them less than they did the Russians in the 1990's and about as much as they did the Chinese in the 1980's. Like I said, same shit, different shovel. And don't even pretend you haven't lied about numerous things.

al capone never became part of the mafia. al capone got locked up in 1931. he might have planned on becoming part of it but he wasen't. there were other gangsters (mostly non-sicilians) who weren't part of the mafia as well. al capone just happened to be the most important non-mafia member. albanian refugee? i love that title :D:D

You're talking out of your ass. Al Capone made a deal with Maranzano and his organization came under the umbrella of the new national Mafia. So quit trying to use Capone as the sole basis for your lame argument. You know nothing about which Italians were in the syndicate and which weren't. Another reason why you keep bringing up Capone over and over again.

they had all of this (except a few things) in the 1920s as well and they had prohibition which was drowning people in money. not as entrenched? okay, i've asked you before, name me one gangster in the 1950's which has the sway over politics and an american city like al capone. you CANNOT. nobody, except for maybe luciano had the power al capone had.

I already did. You simply don't want to believe it. But it's meaningless because you obviously know nothing about Capone and nothing about the Chicago bosses that succeeded him. That's what pisses me off about you. YOU KNOW NEXT TO NOTHING ON THIS SUBJECT! Yet you come here and pretend like you have a fucking clue in the world. And I already told you that Luciano was more powerful than Capone on a national level.

yeah, sure. whatever you say idiot. accardo was more powerful than capone. ou, i messed up cicero with chicago. who could possibly make that mistake? :S:S i mean i read about it 3 years ago. please forgive me you dickheaded virgin.

You are who could possibly make a mistake - that's who. If you want to use Capone knocking down the mayor as your basis for how powerful he was, at least know what mayor he assaulted. But it just goes to show you are talking out of your ass.

[thewestside]

not only his website claims the outfit reached it's peak in the 1950's. many other do as well. however, i don't believe it. accardo did not have the sway al capone had over the city. capone practically owned the city while accardo is a name nobody knows about except for researchers and people interested in organized crime.

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Oh well! Johnny doesn't believe it everybody! A retarded 17 year Albanian punk doesn't believe it? Well, that just settles everything doesn't it?

Hey dipshit, it doesn't matter if Capone is a household name and Accardo isn't. Gotti was more famous than Gigante, but like I said, Gigante was more powerful.

But this just goes to show that you only have the most basic knowledge. The kind of shallow knowledge that most others who really haven't researched the Mafia have. And yet you come here and run your mouth.

[CheGuevara]

Hardly.

hardly which means they barely did? but that still means they did lol. ignorant moron just admitted he was proved wrong.

Nope. I refer to them as "cherrypicked" because you research Albanian organized crime almost exclusively and do next to no research on anything else. You have a preconceived notion - or wish - that Albanians are superior and than you solely look for things that confirm this at the expense of everything else. And if there are two equal sources saying two opposite things, you will ALWAYS go with whatever makes the Albanians look superior. Nothing but cherrypicking and more cherrypicking. And don't just ask my word for it. Everyone else on this board will tell you the same thing.

yeah sure, i go with the facts, you're only way of fighting back against my arguments with nail you on the head like a piece of cheap wood is by calling them cherry picked.

tWait, what happened to your Google searches? That's where you do all your so called "research." Does Google not work if you aren't looking for stuff on Albanians?

no google works just find. and leave it to you to now actually try and downsize or humiliate google which is nothing but a world wide search engine you dickhead. any additional research would meaning talking to law enforcement or crime experts yourself. soemthing i don't have time for and something you haven't even done yourself. but like i said in the first place, you're not as important for me to even go on google. you're simply not worth it. if you need a source i have saved, i'll bring it in.

Standing by it just shows you are stubborn in addition to being stupid. You'd rather continue to look like an idiot than simply admit you are wrong. Congratulations.

i understand that you only think i'm wrong. i can't change your dumbass way of thinking. so think what you want.

Another Johnny exaggeration. Officials aren't talking about Albanians "nonstop." They are talking about them less than they did the Russians in the 1990's and about as much as they did the Chinese in the 1980's. Like I said, same shit, different shovel. And don't even pretend you haven't lied about numerous things.

looool! "less than they did the Russians in the 1990's and about as much as they did the Chinese in the 1980's." the virginside has now counted every article mentioned the russians, chinese and albanians and cmopared the numbers. now i'm no wiseman here, but i think this proves this 31 year old weirdo and probable child molestor is an ignorant and dumb moron fixated on lying anytime he can to lower my argument. i was talking about violence of albanian groups you idiot. officials do not shut up about it. every article even mentioning albanian organized crime highlight their extreme violence.

You're talking out of your ass. Al Capone made a deal with Maranzano and his organization came under the umbrella of the new national Mafia. So quit trying to use Capone as the sole basis for your lame argument. You know nothing about which Italians were in the syndicate and which weren't. Another reason why you keep bringing up Capone over and over again.

lmaoooo, i bring up capone as a highlight of how many italians were not in the mafia at the time you dickhead. and we're talking about the 1920's, not 1931. when did capone make this deal with maranzano you DDDDDDDICCCCCCKKKKKKKHEADDDDDDDD?

I already did. You simply don't want to believe it. But it's meaningless because you obviously know nothing about Capone and nothing about the Chicago bosses that succeeded him. That's what pisses me off about you. YOU KNOW NEXT TO NOTHING ON THIS SUBJECT! Yet you come here and pretend like you have a #%@&#%@ clue in the world. And I already told you that Luciano was more powerful than Capone on a national level.

i know everything about capone that a person can possibly know off the top of his head. you dickhead, i know luciano has more power at his peak than capone at his peak which is why i mentioned him. but besides luciano, never has another gangster held so much power in america as capone did.

You are who could possibly make a mistake - that's who. If you want to use Capone knocking down the mayor as your basis for how powerful he was, at least know what mayor he assaulted. But it just goes to show you are talking out of your ass.

yes dumbass, like i said, chicago-cicero, such a hardddd mistake to make especially when you read about the incident 2-3 years ago. you're possibly the dumbest person alive. go call your mother, make sure her asshole isn't ripped too hard buddy

[thewestside]

no google works just find. and leave it to you to now actually try and downsize or humiliate google which is nothing but a world wide search engine you dickhead. any additional research would meaning talking to law enforcement or crime experts yourself. soemthing i don't have time for and something you haven't even done yourself. but like i said in the first place, you're not as important for me to even go on google. you're simply not worth it. if you need a source i have saved, i'll bring it in.

Well, c'mon Johnny. Use that "world wide search engine" to find all those U.S. politicians, judges, and cops that you claim have been corrupted by the Mexican cartels. You use Google all the time when it comes to Albanians but yet you won't use it here to back up your claims about the Mexicans. And we all know the reason. Because you know your claims are BS. So quit making excuses.

looool! "less than they did the Russians in the 1990's and about as much as they did the Chinese in the 1980's." the virginside has now counted every article mentioned the russians, chinese and albanians and cmopared the numbers. now i'm no wiseman here, but i think this proves this 31 year old weirdo and probable child molestor is an ignorant and dumb moron fixated on lying anytime he can to lower my argument. i was talking about violence of albanian groups you idiot. officials do not shut up about it. every article even mentioning albanian organized crime highlight their extreme violence.

This is one of the many problems with you only being 17. You are too young to remember the 1990's, at least in regards to organized crime. The predictions and claims about the Russians were much bigger than those about the Albanians. This isn't an attempt to "downsize" your favorite crime group. I'm simply pointing out that the predictions about the Russians haven't come true. And there is no reason, other than your own wishful thinking, to think the predictions about the Albanians will either.

lmaoooo, i bring up capone as a highlight of how many italians were not in the mafia at the time you dickhead.

First, it's funny how Capone seems to be the only name you are able to come up with as far as all these Italians who weren't in the Mafia. Second, I've already shown you that Capone is a bad example.

and we're talking about the 1920's, not 1931.

What? Are we narrowing the goal posts again Johnny? You made the claim that Capone wasn't in the Mafia. Before 1931, that was correct. The Capone gang, and those that preceded him, were technically separate. But they came under the national Mafia organization which was established in 1931. The fact that Capone was convicted that same year has nothing to do with it.

But I should point out that all this is a diversion argument you have tried to make to take attention away from you stupid claim about the Italians somehow being stronger in the 1920's, when they were less organized, divided, and still fighting amongst each other, then later on once they were unified, nationalized, and had supplanted the Irish and Jewish groups. Just admit it Johnny, you were caught talking out of your ass once again.

i know everything about capone that a person can possibly know off the top of his head.

Yeah, that's why you make claims about him that aren't true, why you thought he assualted the Mayor of Chicago, and why you didn't know about the deal he made with Maranzano. LOL! You're a real expert Johnny.

when did capone make this deal with maranzano you DDDDDDDICCCCCCKKKKKKKHEADDDDDDDD

Capone originally allied himself and his organization in Chicago with Joe Masseria, who of course was fighting Salvatore Maranzano in New York, because Maranzano was allied with Capone's rival in Chicago Joe Aiello. Capone was among the bosses who met in Atlantic City in 1929 and Chicago was on the first Commission in 1931 once a peace treaty was made between Maranzano and Capone. Maranzano, and later Luciano, recognized Capone as the boss of Chicago.

Now watch, instead of admitting he didn't know this, Johnny will change the subject and ask why I know this and don't know about some arch criminal in Albania back in the day who screwed a goat or whatever.

[CheGuevara]

Well, c'mon Johnny. Use that "world wide search engine" to find all those U.S. politicians, judges, and cops that you claim have been corrupted by the Mexican cartels. You use Google all the time when it comes to Albanians but yet you won't use it here to back up your claims about the Mexicans. And we all know the reason. Because you know your claims are BS. So quit making excuses.

you can continue to make yourself look stupid if you want. i'm not doing any research for you. i told you time and time again but you keep wanting to argue even this, if i don't have a source on my microsoft file, i'm not digging it up for anyone on this board. you can do your own work.

This is one of the many problems with you only being 17. You are too young to remember the 1990's, at least in regards to organized crime. The predictions and claims about the Russians were much bigger than those about the Albanians. This isn't an attempt to "downsize" your favorite crime group. I'm simply pointing out that the predictions about the Russians haven't come true. And there is no reason, other than your own wishful thinking, to think the predictions about the Albanians will either.

it's good you didn't argue what i originally said. i can tell you officially realized you looked like a dumbass with what you said. there is a reason as i've stated before. the italian mafia in america has never been so weak. even you have admitted that sooner or later the italian mafia will one day be brought down to be on the same level as other groups. the reason i think albanian organized crime will surpass italian organized crime soon is because for one, fbi, officials and experts are predicting it but other than that, the italians are weakening while albanian criminals are gaining ground and power. now what the year will be when aoc suprasses ioc is debatable but it will happen.

First, it's funny how Capone seems to be the only name you are able to come up with as far as all these Italians who weren't in the Mafia. Second, I've already shown you that Capone is a bad example.

there are many more idiot. don't act like there weren't you ignorant moron. you showed me capone was a bad example? how? by showing us that the chicago outfit eventually came into alliance with the national commission WHICH HAD ALSO JEWISH members! YOUR IGNORANCE AND DOWNRIGHT STUPIDITY IS APPALLING!

What? Are we narrowing the goal posts again Johnny? You made the claim that Capone wasn't in the Mafia. Before 1931, that was correct. The Capone gang, and those that preceded him, were technically separate. But they came under the national Mafia organization which was established in 1931. The fact that Capone was convicted that same year has nothing to do with it.

lol! IDIOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!! DEAR GOD WHAT A MORON! CAPONE WAS STILL NOT IN THE MAFIA! in his last months as a free man, he joined the national commission which had even jewish members (meyer lansky). LOOOOOOOOOOOL MORRRRRRRRRRRON!

But I should point out that all this is a diversion argument you have tried to make to take attention away from you stupid claim about the Italians somehow being stronger in the 1920's, when they were less organized, divided, and still fighting amongst each other, then later on once they were unified, nationalized, and had supplanted the Irish and Jewish groups. Just admit it Johnny, you were caught talking out of your ass once again.

i admit you're a dumbass who shows his stupidity with every post you make.

Yeah, that's why you make claims about him that aren't true, why you thought he assualted the Mayor of Chicago, and why you didn't know about the deal he made with Maranzano. LOL! You're a real expert Johnny.

like i said, i know everything a person can know about capone off the top of his head moron. i knew about capone's deal with the commission, i knew about capone's mayor assualt however i mixed up cicero with chicago because i read abotu it 2-3 years ago but leave it to you to say a little mix up like that means anything.

Capone originally allied himself and his organization in Chicago with Joe Masseria, who of course was fighting Salvatore Maranzano in New York, because Maranzano was allied with Capone's rival in Chicago Joe Aiello. Capone was among the bosses who met in Atlantic City in 1929 and Chicago was on the first Commission in 1931 once a peace treaty was made between Maranzano and Capone. Maranzano, and later Luciano, recognized Capone as the boss of Chicago.

Now watch, instead of admitting he didn't know this, Johnny will change the subject and ask why I know this and don't know about some arch criminal in Albania back in the day who screwed a goat or whatever.

no dickhead, i won't say that. i will say you just proved me right you dickhead. i wasen't asking you actually when the deal took place. i'm telling you that just because capone joined the comission during his last months as a free man, doesn't mean you can call his career apart of the mafia. his entire life he has been out of it.

screwed a goat? it's funny how thevirginside talks about albanian criminals. such negativity. how come we don't get to hear italian criminals being insulted like this virginside? biased a little?

[thewestside]

you can continue to make yourself look stupid if you want. i'm not doing any research for you. i told you time and time again but you keep wanting to argue even this, if i don't have a source on my microsoft file, i'm not digging it up for anyone on this board. you can do your own work.

Like I keep saying, when it involves Albanians you are more than happy to go Googling and find stuff to back you up. But when it comes to the Mexicans, you suddenly don't want to do so. And there are actually two reasons. 1) As I said, you know that you're wrong. And 2) you really have no interest in doing any in depth research on any group outside of the Albanians.

it's good you didn't argue what i originally said. i can tell you officially realized you looked like a dumbass with what you said.

I'm not sure exactly what you are refering to but it's obvious you're reading something that isn't there.

there is a reason as i've stated before. the italian mafia in america has never been so weak. even you have admitted that sooner or later the italian mafia will one day be brought down to be on the same level as other groups. the reason i think albanian organized crime will surpass italian organized crime soon is because for one, fbi, officials and experts are predicting it but other than that, the italians are weakening while albanian criminals are gaining ground and power. now what the year will be when aoc suprasses ioc is debatable but it will happen.

Um no, FBI officials and experts aren't predicting it. You have one CNN article that cites unnamed FBI sources as claiming the Albanians are "threatening to displace La Cosa Nostra families as kingpins of U.S. Crime." And you have a single sentence in Saviano's book which claims the Albanians are "squeezing" out the Italians in the U.S. Not exactly a lot to base your claim on. As I've said before, the CNN article came out in 2004 - the same year as the Rudaj indictment. Saviano's statement has no qualifier, is supported by absolutely no evidence whatsoever. All you have is some hypotheticals, some possible predictions made about Albanians. The same, as I have said, about other groups before. Contrary to your belief, the Albanians have not shown themselves to be any smarter, any sneakier, any more proficient than other groups. That's why you constantly have to fall back on what you claim to be their unrivaled violence, which is also false. The current activity level of Albanian groups does not match the more far out claims about them. But of course you simply fall back on them being in the shadows like some type of underworld ninjas. You really have nothing Johnny. Nothing but your own wishful thinking which will likely never be realized.

there are many more idiot. don't act like there weren't you ignorant moron. you showed me capone was a bad example? how? by showing us that the chicago outfit eventually came into alliance with the national commission WHICH HAD ALSO JEWISH members! YOUR IGNORANCE AND DOWNRIGHT STUPIDITY IS APPALLING!

The national Mafia Commission had Jewish members? This is news to me. Who might those be? There were some top Jewish OC guys like Lansky, Buchalter, Zwillman, Shultz, Dalitz, etc. and they made alliances with the Italians in the 1930's and afterwards. But they were never members of the Mafia, much less the Commission of Mafia bosses. And as time went on, they lost their power while the power of the Italians grew. Which was one reason why the Mafia was more powerful in the 1950's and 1960's than it had been in the 1920's. The Irish and Jewish groups had fallen by the wayside for the most part.

lol! IDIOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!! DEAR GOD WHAT A MORON! CAPONE WAS STILL NOT IN THE MAFIA! in his last months as a free man, he joined the national commission which had even jewish members (meyer lansky). LOOOOOOOOOOOL MORRRRRRRRRRRON!

Capone never went through the fire and blood ceremony. But many Outfit guys didn't in the early days and for a good while after that. But Capone was recognized as the boss of the Chicago family of La Cosa Nostra, as were those that succeeded him. They were Mafia. And once again, Lansky was never a member of the national Commission. In fact, he wasn't even allowed to sit in on Commission meetings.

i admit you're a dumbass who shows his stupidity with every post you make.

Pot, meet black.

like i said, i know everything a person can know about capone off the top of his head moron. i knew about capone's deal with the commission, i knew about capone's mayor assualt however i mixed up cicero with chicago because i read abotu it 2-3 years ago but leave it to you to say a little mix up like that means anything.

You lying little shit. If you already knew about Capone's deal with the Commission, why did you laugh and ask me when he did it? You didn't know about it. This is why you are known as the biggest liar on this board.

no dickhead, i won't say that. i will say you just proved me right you dickhead. i wasen't asking you actually when the deal took place. i'm telling you that just because capone joined the comission during his last months as a free man, doesn't mean you can call his career apart of the mafia. his entire life he has been out of it.

Backpeddle all you want Johnny. It's obvious to me and everyone else here you knew nothing about Capone's treaty with Maranzano or him being recognized as the boss of Chicago by the Commission.

Also, your argument about Capone's organization in Chicago being seperate before 1931 only supports my case about the Mafia being stronger afterwards. When would the Italians be stronger? When they were seperate groups (in some instances) fighting amongst themselves in addition to the Irish and Jewish gangsters different cities or when they had unified themselves as a single national group of families under the Commission, no longer fighting with each other and having supplanted the Irish and Jews? Doesn't take a genius to figure this one out.

[CheGuevara]

Like I keep saying, when it involves Albanians you are more than happy to go Googling and find stuff to back you up. But when it comes to the Mexicans, you suddenly don't want to do so. And there are actually two reasons. 1) As I said, you know that you're wrong. And 2) you really have no interest in doing any in depth research on any group outside of the Albanians.

nope. it has to do withthe fact that i told you before if it's not on my microsoft file. i am not getting it anymore.

I'm not sure exactly what you are refering to but it's obvious you're reading something that isn't there.

looool! how hilarious, he gets lost in the conversation. vostok the 2nd looooool.

Um no, FBI officials and experts aren't predicting it. You have one CNN article that cites unnamed FBI sources as claiming the Albanians are "threatening to displace La Cosa Nostra families as kingpins of U.S. Crime." And you have a single sentence in Saviano's book which claims the Albanians are "squeezing" out the Italians in the U.S. Not exactly a lot to base your claim on. As I've said before, the CNN article came out in 2004 - the same year as the Rudaj indictment. Saviano's statement has no qualifier, is supported by absolutely no evidence whatsoever. All you have is some hypotheticals, some possible predictions made about Albanians. The same, as I have said, about other groups before. Contrary to your belief, the Albanians have not shown themselves to be any smarter, any sneakier, any more proficient than other groups. That's why you constantly have to fall back on what you claim to be their unrivaled violence, which is also false. The current activity level of Albanian groups does not match the more far out claims about them. But of course you simply fall back on them being in the shadows like some type of underworld ninjas. You really have nothing Johnny. Nothing but your own wishful thinking which will likely never be realized.

there is so many errors in this statement. the albanians are the most violent. i gave you a list as long as you on another thread stating so. the albanians have def. shown themselves to be more sneaky as i have never seen any officials say they have failed to penetrate the mob or say the mob is very secret. albanian clans are based on actual blood you moron. how can you even argue that they aren't more sneaky? being built on family instead of friends alone makes you more sneaky as your organization is extremely hard to penetrate under those conditions. the fbi and saviano to you are weong because they don't agree with what you say. aything you don't agree with is wrong. just like rudaj never beat up made men because you said so, even thought the fbi said they did.

Capone never went through the fire and blood ceremony. But many Outfit guys didn't in the early days and for a good while after that. But Capone was recognized as the boss of the Chicago family of La Cosa Nostra, as were those that succeeded him. They were Mafia. And once again, Lansky was never a member of the national Commission. In fact, he wasn't even allowed to sit in on Commission meetings.

capone was not in the mafia you fvcking dunce until 1931 when he made the deal like you said. prior to that, he was an italian gangster but he wasen't in the mafia.

You lying little shit. If you already knew about Capone's deal with the Commission, why did you laugh and ask me when he did it? You didn't know about it. This is why you are known as the biggest liar on this board.

i laughed because he made the deal in his final months as a free man. and you consider him to have been in the mafia because of it. his entire life, he was an italian gangster not in the mafia. he makes a deal during his last months outside jail and all the sudden, al capone was in the mafia. looooooool. the correct phrase would be, "al capone joined the mafia during his last months outside jail." i shouldn't say last monthts outside jail since he got out and died in florida but your dumbass knows what i mean. dont you dumbass? thats a good dumbass.

Also, your argument about Capone's organization in Chicago being seperate before 1931 only supports my case about the Mafia being stronger afterwards. When would the Italians be stronger? When they were seperate groups (in some instances) fighting amongst themselves in addition to the Irish and Jewish gangsters different cities or when they had unified themselves as a single national group of families under the Commission, no longer fighting with each other and having supplanted the Irish and Jews? Doesn't take a genius to figure this one out.

the italians (not the mafia) was strongest during prohibition. the mafia was strongest in the 1950's to 1960's.

[thewestside]

nope. it has to do withthe fact that i told you before if it's not on my microsoft file. i am not getting it anymore.

All those links you have on Albanians weren't originally on your "microsoft file" either. But we both know you've spent hours upon hours looking on the internet for those. But you can't do it for the Mexicans to prove your claim. Just goes to show what I've said many times before. You are not interested in any other group besides Albanians. And you're only interested in Albanians because you are Albanian and so you can come on forums and brag about them. Well my advice to you is don't make comments about other groups because you know jackshit about them.

there is so many errors in this statement. the albanians are the most violent. i gave you a list as long as you on another thread stating so. the albanians have def.

I'll say it one more time. The current comments about the violence of Albanians are no different than comments made about other groups in the past. And the Albanians haven't really done anything that hasn't been done by other groups before. You know it and that's why you have to change the argument to "exporting violence" to make the Albanians look different. But even there, look how much violence the Italians committed in this country. Or the Colombians during the cocaine wars when they took the top spot from the Cubans. Or the Jamaican drug posses. It's the same thing. Just one group follows another. And even if the Albanians were somehow more violent than all the rest, which they are not, what exactly is your point? Do you even have one? Or do you keep going back and back to that like you go back and back to the Rudaj organization because it's all you have?

shown themselves to be more sneaky as i have never seen any officials say they have failed to penetrate the mob or say the mob is very secret. albanian clans are based on actual blood you moron. how can you even argue that they aren't more sneaky? being built on family instead of friends alone makes you more sneaky as your organization is extremely hard to penetrate under those conditions. the fbi and saviano to you are weong because they don't agree with what you say. aything you don't agree with is wrong. just like rudaj never beat up made men because you said so, even thought the fbi said they did.

You take the comments of some law enforcement officials regarding one case and span it over all of law enforcement in the whole U.S. One agency strikes out against one Albanian group and you claim the FBI and everyone else are helpless to confront the mighty Albanians. As I said, there is always a learning curve with new groups. The same with the Chinese and Russians before. But the feds are quick learners. They have almost unlimited resources and whatever Albanian groups pose a big enough threat will sooner or later be taken down. We saw it with Rudaj, we saw it with "Operation Black Eagle, we saw it with the Canada-Michigan smuggling ring, we saw it with the Albanians running scams with others in Vegas, etc. What happened Johnny? Did the Albanians in these cases forget their Albanian ninja-sneakiness?

i laughed because he made the deal in his final months as a free man. and you consider him to have been in the mafia because of it. his entire life, he was an italian gangster not in the mafia. he makes a deal during his last months outside jail and all the sudden, al capone was in the mafia. looooooool. the correct phrase would be, "al capone joined the mafia during his last months outside jail." i shouldn't say last monthts outside jail since he got out and died in florida but your dumbass knows what i mean. dont you dumbass? thats a good dumbass.

Laugh all you want. You're the one who claims he knows everything about Capone but didn't even know about the treaty he made with Maranzano. And then after I prove you wrong, you lie through your teeth and claim you did know. Are all Albanians lying scum like you?

the italians (not the mafia) was strongest during prohibition. the mafia was strongest in the 1950's to 1960's.

Like I said, this statement is just a diversion tactic.. You'll find any way to split hairs rather than admit you got something wrong.

Once more......

1920's - The Italians were not unified, fighting amongst themselves as well as with the Irish and Jewish groups. In many instances they still lacked the stronger political connections of the Irish and the legitimate business/labor union connections of the Jews. They are on their way but they are still building, still establishing themselves. And Prohibition simply helps them establish themselves.

1950's and 1960's - the Italians are unified into the same organization consisting of over two dozen families across the nation under a single Commission. They have supplanted the Irish and Jewish groups. They now control the lion's share of all illegal activities in multiple cities. They control national labor unions, as well as local ones in city after city. They have the power to shut down shipping on the eastern seaboard or interstate trucking. They still control politicians, mayors, judges, cops, etc. They have the casinos in Vegas and Cuba. They have expanded far more into legitimate industry like construction, trucking, shipping, garbage, etc.

You know, just as I do, that the Italians/Mafia (they are the same thing) were stronger in the 1950's and 1960's than they were in the 1920's. So quit trying to play word games you Albanian coward.

[CheGuevara]

All those links you have on Albanians weren't originally on your "microsoft file" either. But we both know you've spent hours upon hours looking on the internet for those. But you can't do it for the Mexicans to prove your claim. Just goes to show what I've said many times before. You are not interested in any other group besides Albanians. And you're only interested in Albanians because you are Albanian and so you can come on forums and brag about them. Well my advice to you is don't make comments about other groups because you know jackshit about them.

no, originally, they weren't. but you inspired me to do so as in our old debates, you insisted on source aftre source after source and i realized that you yourself, had numerous sources on file which is why your comments were always the size of my body because you merely copied and pasted. very clever of you. however, i didn't come to the forum prepared like that because i never took the forum seriously, it was just a place to talk when i'm not outside my house. so i decided to become somewhat as prepared. but that was a while ago, i just recently found this file again. and like i said, if a source is not on there, it's not being found by me again.

even if the Albanians were somehow more violent than all the rest, which they are, what exactly is your point? Do you even have one? Or do you keep going back and back to that like you go back and back to the Rudaj organization because it's all you have?

nope. no point, i am just stating the obvious that albanian organized crime is the most violent one.

You take the comments of some law enforcement officials regarding one case and span it over all of law enforcement in the whole U.S. One agency strikes out against one Albanian group and you claim the FBI and everyone else are helpless to confront the mighty Albanians. As I said, there is always a learning curve with new groups. The same with the Chinese and Russians before. But the feds are quick learners. They have almost unlimited resources and whatever Albanian groups pose a big enough threat will sooner or later be taken down. We saw it with Rudaj, we saw it with "Operation Black Eagle, we saw it with the Canada-Michigan smuggling ring, we saw it with the Albanians running scams with others in Vegas, etc. What happened Johnny? Did the Albanians in these cases forget their Albanian ninja-sneakiness?

half the rudaj indictment was non-albanian, half the gjoka indictment was half-albanian, half the canadian group was non-albanian, more than half the vegas group was non-albanian. these groups (except vegas) were albanian run. however, as the officials say, most albanians revolve around clan structures, blood and marriages. these groups became more daring and branched out from their clannish ways. what followed is indictment as americans, italians, greeks, etc... are prone to snitching, wiretaps and overall sloppiness as they have been in this slothy country longer and speak only english.

Laugh all you want. You're the one who claims he knows everything about Capone but didn't even know about the treaty he made with Maranzano. And then after I prove you wrong, you lie through your teeth and claim you did know. Are all Albanians lying scum like you?

how do you even expect to have a debate with someone if your only way of response is saying something that's not true like what i did or didn't know? are all americans this dumb? what the hell am i saying, they are. BUT WAIT! EDISON WAS AMERICAN, HENRY FORD WAS AMERICAN, AMERICANS HAVE HAD SO MUCH MORE PROMINENT FIGURES IN REGARDS TO BUSINESS AND INVENTION! the facts are against me! americans are smarter than albanians now! right? because they have more inventors! right!? loooool.

You know, just as I do, that the Italians/Mafia (they are the same thing) were stronger in the 1950's and 1960's than they were in the 1920's. So quit trying to play word games you Albanian coward.

being called a coward from an american? wow, my self esteem was just shot down completely. that is the lowest thing that can happen to you. it's like a black guy calling you nigger trash. if you think this is true, than think it! what the fuck do you care what i think? i think the italians were stronger in the 1920s and that the mafia was strongest in the 1950s and 60s.

[thewestside]

half the rudaj indictment was non-albanian, half the gjoka indictment was half-albanian, half the canadian group was non-albanian, more than half the vegas group was non-albanian. these groups (except vegas) were albanian run. however, as the officials say, most albanians revolve around clan structures, blood and marriages. these groups became more daring and branched out from their clannish ways. what followed is indictment as americans, italians, greeks, etc... are prone to snitching, wiretaps and overall sloppiness as they have been in this slothy country longer and speak only english.

I see, it was the incompetence of all the other groups that did it, right? LOL! Do you really believe this? When you're bragging about the Rudaj organization, you minimize the involvement of people from other ethnic groups in it. But when the Rudaj organization got taken down, it wasn't the Albanians fault! No, it was everyone else. Nope, it wasn't Alex Rudaj's stupid idea to march into Rao's Restaurant and "take over" John Gotti's old table. Even you can't really be this in denial.

how do you even expect to have a debate with someone if your only way of response is saying something that's not true like what i did or didn't know? are all americans this dumb? what the hell am i saying, they are. BUT WAIT! EDISON WAS AMERICAN, HENRY FORD WAS AMERICAN, AMERICANS HAVE HAD SO MUCH MORE PROMINENT FIGURES IN REGARDS TO BUSINESS AND INVENTION! the facts are against me! americans are smarter than albanians now! right? because they have more inventors! right!? loooool.

What did I say that wasn't true? You didn't know about the treaty between Capone and Maranzano. Which is why you laughed when I mentioned it and asked me when it was. Then after I told you, you back peddled and claimed you knew about it all along.

being called a coward from an american? wow, my self esteem was just shot down completely. that is the lowest thing that can happen to you. it's like a black guy calling you nigger trash. if you think this is true, than think it! what the fu-- do you care what i think?

Compare the United States of America to Albania. Exactly. Albania is like a pimple on the ass of the U.S.

i think the italians were stronger in the 1920s and that the mafia was strongest in the 1950s and 60s.

No, I don't think you do. I think you are just saying you do so you don't have to admit you were wrong. But I'll give you a chance to prove your point. Since your whole basis is that there were many other Italian groups that were not in the Mafia during this time period, give me just two other examples of non-Mafia Italian organizations in the U.S. at the time besides the Capone gang.

[Faciulina]

Capone never went through the fire and blood ceremony. But many Outfit guys didn't in the early days and for a good while after that

where do you heard this thewestside? if he was introduced into a mafia famly he sure did the traditional ceremony so the outfit members

[VostokSila]

being called a coward from an american? wow, my self esteem was just shot down completely

I thought you are american.. and I thought Albaners love the US and lick their balls.

[Dobre]

being called a coward from an american? wow, my self esteem was just shot down completely

I thought you are american.. and I thought Albaners love the US and lick their balls.

The Macedonians are by nature secretive on account of the struggling existence they have led, but it is somewhat extraordinary that in the long run they never miss carrying out their veangance
The Times, 01-04-1924

[thewestside]

where do you heard this thewestside? if he was introduced into a mafia famly he sure did the traditional ceremony so the outfit members

Nope. According to testimony by underworld figures, the Chicago Outfit didn't start using the traditional blood and fire ceremony to make new members until around the 1970's. But they were still considered part of La Cosa Nostra since the 1930's.

[Dobre]

being called a coward from an american? wow, my self esteem was just shot down completely

I thought you are american.. and I thought Albaners love the US and lick their balls.

He received the warmest, most rockstar welcome in his life, having his hands kissed, a street named after him. And generally being proclaimed king of Albania. Apparently they even gave him free range at their world famous prositute industry

All this couldnt stop his watch from being stolen on camera. enjoy

On a side note when asked in an interview with Albanian reporter "what does come to your mind when you heard the word, Albania?"

the Presidents reply was "Muslim people who can live at peace. That's what comes to mind"

[CheGuevara]

I see, it was the incompetence of all the other groups that did it, right? LOL! Do you really believe this? When you're bragging about the Rudaj organization, you minimize the involvement of people from other ethnic groups in it. But when the Rudaj organization got taken down, it wasn't the Albanians fault! No, it was everyone else. Nope, it wasn't Alex Rudaj's stupid idea to march into Rao's Restaurant and "take over" John Gotti's old table. Even you can't really be this in denial.

i'm not in denial. go back and look at the way they caught both rudaj and lika yourself. both lika and rudaj got taken down due to foreign snitches. apparently, both greek. i am waiting for an update on the gjoka indictment to see how in fact, they were able to take down members of this organization as well. somehow, i won't be surprised if the two americans, one italians or one serbian had something to do with it.

What did I say that wasn't true? You didn't know about the treaty between Capone and Maranzano. Which is why you laughed when I mentioned it and asked me when it was. Then after I told you, you back peddled and claimed you knew about it all along.

i laughed because of the date that it happened you dick. i was fully aware of his involvement with maranzano. however, i can't live the rest of my life as a muslim and then covert to judaism the last few months i'm alive and then be considered a jew in the eyes of people who remember me. can i?

Compare the United States of America to Albania. Exactly. Albania is like a pimple on the ass of the U.S.

albania has been through warfare it's entire history and has dealt with superpowers of the world numerous times. not to mention migration and everything else that toppled onto the problem. america was founded by english/germans and welcomed every single ethnicity in the world to this country (which is morel ike a depressing cultural sucker). there is no such thing as an american. unless you're talking about native americans. i would rather be part of a small country where at least i am confident in my ethnicity and know my culture and background instead of be an american citizen who has no idea what his ancetors spoke and has no idea about any sort of cultural or traditional way of living or anything. it's sad to think about life as an american.

No, I don't think you do. I think you are just saying you do so you don't have to admit you were wrong. But I'll give you a chance to prove your point. Since your whole basis is that there were many other Italian groups that were not in the Mafia during this time period, give me just two other examples of non-Mafia Italian organizations in the U.S. at the time besides the Capone gang.

not my whole basis, besides that very clear fact. i'm also taking into fact that the mafia itself was heavily involved in bootlegging. and what difference would it make if i gave you two, four or even eight other italian gangs outside the mafia? you would accuse me of googling them and say i didn't know a damn thing about them.

[CheGuevara]

I thought you are american.. and I thought Albaners love the US and lick their balls.

yep, and russia is the little bitch who screams for attention but the west totally ignores them. as they proved throughout many encounters in the last decade from the belgrade bombings to the oil scare russia tried to do lol. pathetic.

[Dobre]

I thought you are american.. and I thought Albaners love the US and lick their balls.

yep, and russia is the little bitch who screams for attention but the west totally ignores them. as they proved throughout many encounters in the last decade from the belgrade bombings to the oil scare russia tried to do lol. pathetic.

How ironic. Shiptars are the little bitches who scream for attention but we(Balkan Slavs) totally ignore them so they throw tauntrums and no one really gives a fuck or notices.

Drenica..

1998-1999 in Kosovo
2000 in Preshevo Valley in Southern Serbia
2001 in Macedonia
2001 in Greece
2007 in Macedonia again
2008 in Kosovo again

The list is endless.

Russia, on the other hand, is a superpower.

1. PRC
2. Russia
3. USA

When the USA is stronger than Russia, send me an email.

[DutchGangster69]

The USA is way stronger then Russia or China

[Dobre]

The USA is way stronger then Russia or China

If you exclude extraterrestrial involvement and go into the modern or accepted perception of reality, then fuck no, the USA is a fly compared to the hippo Russia or China is.

With extraterrestrial involvement, USA > Russia and China. The reality is, USA = Russia and China because the USA is allied with Russia and China.

[Azure9920]

I heard(from a very reliable source) that the Russian military can't mobilize.

Uh oh Dobre, looks like you'll need to find another country to piggyback for your conspiracies.

[Dobre]

I heard(from a very reliable source) that the Russian military can't mobilize.

Uh oh Dobre, looks like you'll need to find another country to piggyback for your conspiracies.

Lies! 15,000 Russian troops defeated the Georgian military in 5 days.

[CheGuevara]

I heard(from a very reliable source) that the Russian military can't mobilize.

Uh oh Dobre, looks like you'll need to find another country to piggyback for your conspiracies.

what is the fear of russia? in 2050, they will be 100mn, in 2100, 66mn, in 2150, they won't even be an issue on the world map. not to mention china will without a doubt take a gigantic piece of russia when it achieves it's full but slow turnaround from communist to democratic and the gdp is up.

[Azure9920]

what is the fear of russia?

Well, as Dobre pointed out above, they decimated the Georgian military, which is comparable to that of Albania.

in 2050, they will be 100mn, in 2100, 66mn, in 2150, they won't even be an issue on the world map.

Population declines are difficult to measure over the short term. For example, the UN figure you're quoting is several years old. It wasn't a definite decline estimate, but rather a possibility if the trends continue. Since then however, the trends have begun to reverse and show signs of improvement. Now, I know you don't like hearing that, since you don't like Vostok.

not to mention china will without a doubt take a gigantic piece of russia when it achieves it's full but slow turnaround from communist to democratic and the gdp is up.

I chuckled a bit when I read that.

[CheGuevara]

Well, as Dobre pointed out above, they decimated the Georgian military, which is comparable to that of Albania.

lol, piece of shit, at least i have an army.

Population declines are difficult to measure over the short term. For example, the UN figure you're quoting is several years old. It wasn't a definite decline estimate, but rather a possibility if the trends continue. Since then however, the trends have begun to reverse and show signs of improvement. Now, I know you don't like hearing that, since you don't like Vostok.

maybe, do you have a source that states a turnaround? actually, you're right. i don't like hearing that. i want russians to die out. the quicker the better. funny, the serbs are taking the same direction, their low birth rates, high suicide rates, immigration and such will leave serbian without a population in i think 500 years. the world is cured with the removal of slavs.

I chuckled a bit when I read that.

don't say chuckled. it's such an ugly word. and another thing, why would you laugh? china will indeed become an aggressor once it is able to do so. with the increasing gdp every year, it's only a matter of time when china can do what it wants without worrying about un intervention. russia and mongolia will natural be it's first targets due to the oil and small populations in these future nations.

[Azure9920]

lol, piece of shit, at least i have an army.

Oh, do you now? Do me a favour then? Invade Macedonia.

maybe, do you have a source that states a turnaround? actually, you're right. i don't like hearing that. i want russians to die out. the quicker the better. funny, the serbs are taking the same direction, their low birth rates, high suicide rates, immigration and such will leave serbian without a population in i think 500 years. the world is cured with the removal of slavs.

http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/b09_00/IssWW ... 01/7-0.htm

china will indeed become an aggressor once it is able to do so.

Oh, really now?

worrying about un intervention.

lol

russia and mongolia will natural be it's first targets due to the oil and small populations in these future nations.

Well, then I wish the best of luck to China in their invasion of Russia. Also, before you make yourself look like Dobre, I suggest you take a closer look at the relations of the PRC and Mongolia.

[Dobre]

I heard(from a very reliable source) that the Russian military can't mobilize.

Uh oh Dobre, looks like you'll need to find another country to piggyback for your conspiracies.

what is the fear of russia? in 2050, they will be 100mn, in 2100, 66mn, in 2150, they won't even be an issue on the world map. not to mention china will without a doubt take a gigantic piece of russia when it achieves it's full but slow turnaround from communist to democratic and the gdp is up.

What is the fear of Russia? Um...they are probably the only historical rival that the US has shit rocks of...

Also, more baseless claims and assumptions.

Albanians are afraid of Slavs. When I was in Ohrid, they were the ones that kept quiet and in the dark, not us. Note that there was more friggin Croats than Albanians, let alone Serbs who were 1 in 10 of the entire tourist population in Ohrid.